Feminism Losing its Luster

by W.F. Price on February 3, 2010

As NOW takes shots at collegiate football hero Tim Tebow over his pro-life stance, prominent women are starting to distance themselves from the organization. Washington Post sports columnist Sally Jenkins has written a column excoriating the notorious women’s organization, going so far as to call it “intolerant.”

Tim Tebow is everything feminism hates: he is a believing, pro-life Christian who has even had the nerve to remain celibate pending marriage. Feminists, despite their incessant use of shaming language and denigration of male sexuality, seem to hate nothing more than people who promote sexual abstinence outside of marriage, perhaps because they know that this strips them of a great deal of power over men.

Of course, they also despise the idea that there is anything morally wrong with killing one’s children in the womb if they get in the way of such important things as a master’s degree in women’s studies or a career in journalism.

Sally Jenkins, and probably millions of other women across America, are starting to face the uncomfortable fact that their own advocates have turned out to be amongst the most hateful people on earth; people who have not only openly spoken about exterminating half the human race, but who have in practice fostered a cult of selfishness and death.

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Shut your hole February 3, 2010 at 07:08

Unfortunately, I lost the link to the article. But over at leftist site DailyKos.com last December there was an incredible rant from one of their regular contributors about how incompetent and ineffective women’s political groups were at promoting women’s issues, compared to the amount of resources they get in donations and volunteerism.
The most revealing was a screed about how if women aren’t getting their issues taken seriously, they have no one to blame other than the goofballs running their organizations.
Of course, we at The Spearhead know that women are successfully subverting culture and society all over the place.

But I think we can take a brief moment to celebrate extreme dissent from prominent members of their rank-and-file.

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dragnet February 3, 2010 at 07:16

Yeah I noticed this—and it’s nice to see the women’s movement eating it’s own.

But the Tebows are way off base on this one. Tebow’s mom had a very serious condition called placental abruption. This is many times fatal to the woman and child, and she was advised to abort. She didn’t, and lived to tell the tale. It’s a beautiful story.

But not every woman who opts for that route will live to tell about it—they will end up dead, along with their babies. And their existing children will be without a mother. And the husband, without his wife. And if the wife hadn’t died, she would probably have had another kid later—what about that life yet to be born? Risking the placental abruption was fine for the Tebows—it was their decision—but going on national TV to say that everyone should be forced, by law, to make that choice is just bullshit.

I’m happy to see prominent women pushing back against the extremists at NOW…but Tebows are way out in left-field on this one.

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StephenC February 3, 2010 at 07:21

…going on national TV to say that everyone should be forced, by law, to make that choice is just bullshit.

I haven’t seen the commercial, but does the ad really say that a woman should be forced, by law, to have a baby even when she faces a serious health risk?

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sharpcool February 3, 2010 at 07:23

Nice article from Sally Jenkins, I particularly enjoyed these shots:

“Dwindling Organizations of Ladies in Lockstep”
“National Organization of Fewer and Fewer Women All The Time”
“The National Organization for Women Who Only Think Like Us”

Yes! lol. There was one paragraph I can nitpick though:

You know what we really need more of? Famous guys who aren’t embarrassed to practice sexual restraint, and to say it out loud. If we had more of those, women might have fewer abortions.

You know what we need less of? Silly little girls who don’t drop their panties in a second and bang a guy without a thought of protection because a guy is a prominent athlete. It’s their body, they get pregnant, and they have the final say on abortion, legally. Woman up.

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Welmer February 3, 2010 at 07:23

I haven’t seen the commercial, but does the ad really say that a woman should be forced, by law, to have a baby even when she faces a serious health risk?

-StephenC

I seriously doubt it.

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dragnet February 3, 2010 at 07:24

“I haven’t seen the commercial, but does the ad really say that a woman should be forced, by law, to have a baby even when she faces a serious health risk?”

No—and I stand corrected. But the obvious subtext here is that the Tebows think abortion should banned—they’re doing the ad at the behest of the Focus on Family group which takes exactly that position.

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StephenC February 3, 2010 at 07:43

No—and I stand corrected. But the obvious subtext here is that the Tebows think abortion should banned—they’re doing the ad at the behest of the Focus on Family group which takes exactly that position.

This isn’t by any means the obvious subtext. The subtext may very well be (and I imagine that it is) that carrying a child to term and raising the child is far more rewarding than a degree in wimmin’s studies and house full of cats. The possibility of this message getting out to a large audience of women is probably more upsetting to NOW than a quixotic quest to outlaw abortion in all circumstances.

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Migu February 3, 2010 at 07:54

Abortion has been around since the ancient times. Usually a hemlock tincture would abort the baby. It wasn’t pleasant for the mother, but it did happen. It is only recently that abortion has become how to say it……a fad. Sad really.

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Roy February 3, 2010 at 08:03

I have always maintained that Feminists are surprised to learn that they are (**gasp**) neither universally admired nor loved, much less learn that a good sector of the human populace views them somewhat askance.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it will afford me the greatest pleasure to sit back, red wine in hand and watch the movement’s painful demise.

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Hestia February 3, 2010 at 08:14

Let us hope this self-reflection continues on the part of feminists and stops this madness once and for all.

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Globalman February 3, 2010 at 08:18

Shut your hole February 3, 2010 at 07:08
“Of course, we at The Spearhead know that women are successfully subverting culture and society all over the place.”
Dude, you might ‘know’ that but I know no such thing. Women are not accomplishing jack shit. ALL the ‘progress’ of ‘feminism’ is being done by men. ALL OF IT. Who authored VAWA? Joe Biden. Who headed the Commission for Population Growth in 70-72 that recommended the equal rights amendments be passed? JD Rockefeller. Women have done nothing but do what men have been telling them to do. Period.

My fav#1 described western women succinctly. “Western women have nothing between their ears.”

The eastern women I meet get ‘feminism’ when I explain it to them. Takes about 10 minutes. They grew up with the result of feminism which was most men simply refused to pay for the women and children. In the former communist countries the mantra is clear ‘everyone has to work’.

Fav #1 was saying that to me the other day and I asked her ‘Why?’. She was stuck. I told her that my mum never worked in a full time job. The only time she worked was if we were desperate or when she wanted an overseas trip. The rest of the time she was in the home. That was all the ‘work’ she needed to do. You would have thought I said ‘my mother was a martian’. In the communist countries women simply had to go to work. So the kids can be indoctrinated properly.

As women figure out that feminism is bad for them they will try this bullshit about ‘I was never like that’ or ‘I have changed my mind’. Don’t buy it. Feminism is a belief system and people often die before changing belief systems. They are very hard to change. Just leave them to their cats and vibrators.

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Joseph February 3, 2010 at 08:20

Glad Tebow has made the same choice about sex I have. It’s about time we (as men) get it together and stop providing the women in these radical groups ammunition about our behavior. If we show restraint then they will have little choice but to fall in line. It’s just my opinion, but a man who can show restraint has all the power society can offer him.

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Andrew X Anderson February 3, 2010 at 08:24

When I was in college some anti-abortion activists showed up during “women’s week” and erected giant banners with gruesome images of aborted fetuses. The pictures showed tiny legs and arms torn apart, heads crushed, etc. Needless to say, the feminist contingent howled with rage, but, much to my surprise, the university administrators didn’t have them evicted. Feminists and their male lackeys can’t stand it when someone shows what an abortion is.

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Globalman February 3, 2010 at 08:28

Yep..there was a blog entry over on the SMH this week where the men are pretty clear on their view of the ‘sluttification of women’.

http://blogs.smh.com.au/lifestyle/asksam/archives/2010/02/female_sexuality_and_the_orgas.html

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Novaseeker February 3, 2010 at 08:29

Yeah I never understood that, really. What is the issue with showing the aftermath of abortion for the “fetuses”?

I think Naomi Wolf is one of the only honest feminists I have read on this issue. She agrees that the “fetus” is a human being, but says that since the human being is growing inside her, she has the right to kill it if she wishes — she has plenary authority over the life of that human being while it is living inside of her and using her resources. Essentially it’s a “right to kill” idea — which is basically what abortion rights are.

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Justus February 3, 2010 at 08:30

The message seems just open and vague enough to let people draw their own conclusions. It’s actually an example of something we in America have not seen for some time: real journalism. Rather than prosthelytize about the current left/right issue as some kind of campaign slogan, hypothesizing in a “what if” scenario, Tim’s mother spoke about the choice she actually made. We’re so used to being told what to believe that when someone just tells their story without stuffing their beliefs down our throat, some people start looking for the boogeyman.

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PA February 3, 2010 at 08:43

I recall 1997′s Promise Keepers march on Washington DC. PK, as many know, was a Christan-based mens’ movement. And its confrontation with NOW in wake on teh march on DC serves as an example of how not to deal with feminist organizatins.

The movement’s founder, as I recall from extensive news coverage, bent into pretzels in efforts to placate NOW’s head Patricia Ireland. Reasuring them of how they are nice and fuzzy men’s movement. I half-expected the PK guy to fall sobbing at Ireland’s feet and beg to be her friend.

Clearly, the way you deal with feminist organizations is the same way you’d go about parrying a girl’s sh*t test: by reframing and counterattacking.

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 08:56

Joseph – good for Tebow and good for you.

I thank you for leading by example. I think it is ironic that some men complain that feminism has made women rude, inconsiderate and lazy, and then turn around and be rude, inconsiderate and stoop to using profanity to try to intimidate those that do not agree with them.

I thank you for being a gentleman. I promise to never ever argue against your opinions.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 08:58

…that some men complain that feminism has made women rude, inconsiderate and lazy, and then turn around and be rude, inconsiderate and stoop to using profanity to try to intimidate those that do not agree with them.

I thank you for being a gentleman. I promise to never ever argue against your opinions. — Canadian Girl

Who has ever used profanity?

How have you been intimidated? You are on the internet – while safely in your workplace, I assume.

And why should anyone give a shit about making the Spearhead suitable for your tastes?

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Globalman February 3, 2010 at 08:59

canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 08:56
“I think it is ironic that some men complain that feminism has made women rude, inconsiderate and lazy, and then turn around and be rude, inconsiderate and stoop to using profanity to try to intimidate those that do not agree with them.”
Men like me are not being rude. It is not rude to state the truth to someone, call them a femcunt and tell them to fuck off. That’s just business as usual.

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 09:03

Oh there you are fredrz
I missed you! KISSES

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:06

Hello Toots,

Who has used profanity and intimidated you?

Nice try at victimhood here on the Spearhead. Lol!

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Exiled Saint February 3, 2010 at 09:08

Test 1,2,3

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 09:08

But I made you jump didn’t I?

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:10

You don’t make anyone jump, except for trying to make Joseph into your White Knight.

Aren’t you working right now?

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Welmer February 3, 2010 at 09:11

Test 1,2,3

-Exiled Saint

You won’t give up, will you?

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Bob February 3, 2010 at 09:11

I recall an argument from a while back with a pro-choice woman. She said the life begins when the fetus/baby’s brain can think. Conveniently, she assumed (admittedly without evidence) that was around the beginning of the second trimester.

“Aren’t you an atheist?” I asked her. She was. So I explained that, since she does not believe in souls, life is nothing but protein exchange within and between cells. Thought is nothing but thousands of sodium ions moving around. There can be no clear line between the movement of the first proteins and the point where enough are moving to mean something.

“But I believe in souls!” she claimed. She’s “spiritual, not religious”. So, I asked why a certain number of brain cells were necessary for the formation of a soul.

She “agreed to disagree”, because she didn’t want to talk anymore.

Few pro-baby-killing people are willing to own up to the murder of an unborn child. The closest you could come is Naomi Wolf’s, already mentioned, which sounds like the justification for shooting a vagrant who won’t leave your property. But even that metaphor is inadequate, since the “vagrant” is a helpless life she (almost certainly deliberately) created. By “deliberately”, I mean not using adequate birth control. The Pill doesn’t magically stop working unless you forget (or “forget”) to take it. Combined with condoms and and IUD, you’re damn near foolproof. Celibacy means you are foolproof.

I remember those pro-life displays from back in school, too. Some genius decided to put them up in full view of the windows by the dining area. The lost appetites were worth it if they opened a few eyes.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:15

I think Naomi Wolf is one of the only honest feminists I have read on this issue. She agrees that the “fetus” is a human being, but says that since the human being is growing inside her, she has the right to kill it if she wishes — she has plenary authority over the life of that human being while it is living inside of her and using her resources. Essentially it’s a “right to kill” idea — which is basically what abortion rights are. — Novaseeker

This argument is also being used by extremists to try to justify infanticide – because a baby is also dependent upon the mother for survival. And by extremists, I don’t mean marginalized.

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 09:18

I have noticed that you only post when I do.
Like Pavlov’s dog.
Its kind of cute.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:22

Why don’t you answer the question?

How have you been intimidated?

Are you mentally weak?

How come you never present an argument?

Aren’t you at work right now?

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Exiled Saint February 3, 2010 at 09:24

Welmer, I will behave. 100%. However, one small request. Can you remove posts from people that tell people *fuck you*? Or is it allowed?

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Shut your hole February 3, 2010 at 09:24

I believe that a fetus is a person, but the U.S. pro-life movement’s ardent support of american militarism and war against contraception proves they do not give a shit about life, nor do they care about actually preventing abortion.

Pro-Lifers could gain so much support if they were actually pro-life and not just a hypocritical political tool of the GOP.

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Robin February 3, 2010 at 09:29

I’ve never understood how society became so accepting of abortion.

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Exiled Saint February 3, 2010 at 09:30

I believe Abortion is a consequence of evolving societies, technology and indirect the separation of State & Church, meaning that the influence of the church, both the positive and negative, has led to the evolution of morals and values in societies that become increasingly individualistic.

Hence “zeitgeist”, accept its presence and the choice to utilize the facilities has become the choice of the individual.

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 09:32

And yet a little creepy. Kinda stalker ish.
You seem like the kind of guy that would follow around his ex girlfriend telling tales to any guy she has a casual conversation with. I just get that kind of vibe.

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Welmer February 3, 2010 at 09:33

Welmer, I will behave. 100%. However, one small request. Can you remove posts from people that tell people *fuck you*? Or is it allowed?

-Exiled Saint

I’ll allow some degree of profanity and combat, but when it becomes disruptive and dominates posts entirely that’s when I break out the fire extinguisher. If someone’s entire purpose on this site is simply to crap on other people, that’s not worth tolerating. However, you can make whatever arguments you please so long as it doesn’t become a flame war.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:34

And yet a little creepy. Kinda stalker ish.
You seem like the kind of guy that would follow around his ex girlfriend telling tales to any guy she has a casual conversation with. I just get that kind of vibe.
— Canadian Girl

So now you are claiming that you are being Cyber-Stalked?

More victimhood?

You could simply end that by not showing up here, or by presenting a real argument which you are willing to defend.

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Exiled Saint February 3, 2010 at 09:41

Ok Welmer. I will behave. but please allow me some sarcasm :-P But seriously, a blatant FU as a post, you have to agree that is substandard.

For the rest, I am soooooo incredibly pro-feminism/emancipation that you will always find me opposing the status quo here, and they are no angels either in their expressions.

But anyway, heal the world… start with yourself. You have my word.

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 09:42

Your so easy to provoke.
I do not understand why you have so much invested in whether or not I answer your questions. Don’t take it so personally.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:44

Your so easy to provoke.
I do not understand why you have so much invested in whether or not I answer your questions. Don’t take it so personally.
— Canadian Girl

Why do you keep responding to me then? Do I intimidate you with my cyber-stalking?

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canadian girl February 3, 2010 at 09:49

All right, from this moment forth I will ignore your posts if you ignore mine.
Deal?

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 09:51

All right, from this moment forth I will ignore your posts if you ignore mine.
Deal?
— Canadian Girl

No Dice!

I take it that since you log on at exactly 9am PST each day, and homes in your city cost an average of $350,000, that you live in the Greater Vancouver Area, and work at a government job with your science degree?

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Justus February 3, 2010 at 10:02

I think the only allowances you can make for killing a baby inside you or infanticide (which I see as quite similar in nature) would have to include allowing for the possibility of others to take care of the baby for you. There’s a difference between refusing to support something that is using up your resources and just killing it outright. Abandonment vs. execution. I think you could make a successful argument for the first, but the latter can’t really be defended, IMO.

Or, if you want to go the other way, and say children are just property…. then there’s no reason why selling your baby should be illegal. Food for thought.

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Toby February 3, 2010 at 10:05

@Joseph

restraint will get you nowhere in hurry. marriage is a state-enforced slavery contract and no sane man would sign that contract in this day and age.

so if comes down to getting my sexual NEEDS met through pre-marital sex or being a celibate sexually-repressed anal retentive old man, I’ll choose “sin” over marital suicide any day of the week.

You cannot expect the majority of young men to be abstinent or avoiding reality and the biological nature of humans. Yes, we are intelligent animals, and no, we are not created in God’s image.

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StephenC February 3, 2010 at 10:11

I believe Abortion is a consequence of evolving societies, technology and indirect the separation of State & Church, meaning that the influence of the church, both the positive and negative, has led to the evolution of morals and values in societies that become increasingly individualistic.

I may be having some comprehension issues here, but the gist of this message seems to be that Abortion has become more acceptable in no small part because society in general has become more individualistic.

Society, in the US, has become increasingly individualistic over the last 40 years?!?! That’s the premise behind the argument?!?Really?

If I interpret the message correctly than I can respond with three words:

WTF?

Are we really talking about the same country where a grown man can’t decide for himself whether he needs to wear a seatbelt?

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iron clad February 3, 2010 at 10:13

Welmer…your ability to tolerate fires is a great benefactor to the churning out of truth , and clarity from persons who otherwise might not articulate well on the first attempt, MND SHOULD GIVE THIS A TRY.

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G February 3, 2010 at 10:33

fedrz, im telling you, stop answering, its becoming painfull, for me, and for others probably.
I believe you know Game, then you should know that ignoring a woman is the most powerfull action you can take.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 10:34

G,

Then why don’t you ignore my posts too.

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Firepower February 3, 2010 at 10:34

by Welmer on February 3, 2010

Tim Tebow is everything feminism hates: he is a believing, pro-life Christian who has even had the nerve to remain celibate pending marriage.

Wow.
One actually still exists in the wild.
The Revolution
must be on

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Krauser February 3, 2010 at 10:37

Fedrz, presumably you are just giving the troll enough rope to hang herself and give you some nice archives on feminist / female trolling tactics? Or perhaps toying with an incompetent troll to show other posters how to deal with them in a verbal environment (e.g. workplace) where they can’t be banned?

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G February 3, 2010 at 10:38

fedrz,
because you are not a woman and I want to read what you write, when you’ll stop debating with trolls. Just like Globalman.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 10:38
fedrz February 3, 2010 at 10:41

fedrz,
because you are not a woman and I want to read what you write, when you’ll stop debating with trolls. Just like Globalman.

G, you will notice that I have only started trolling Canadian Girl yesterday, and have been ignoring her for a few weeks now.

But she is now showing up here pretty regularly now, and derailing thread after thread… which makes it much less worth my while to put any effort into intelligent discourse, which is why I haven’t been doing that for the past few days.

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Migu February 3, 2010 at 10:46

I believe that a fetus is a person, but the U.S. pro-life movement’s ardent support of american militarism and war against contraception proves they do not give a shit about life, nor do they care about actually preventing abortion.

Pro-Lifers could gain so much support if they were actually pro-life and not just a hypocritical political tool of the GOP.

That goes for most of the GOP. Thanks for saying it.

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Migu February 3, 2010 at 10:48

Keep it up federz sometimes the only way to get a troll is to troll the troll. It’s also good for the gallery to show stupidity for what it is.

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:06

but going on national TV to say that everyone should be forced, by law, to make that choice is just bullshit

Nobody’s saying that. Not even the Catholic Church promotes such an extreme view.
Their view is that if the baby dies during a procedure that is meant to protect the health or life of the mother and the baby’s death is a secondary effect of that, it is a tragedy, but not a crime. It’s only if the procedure’s purpose is to murder the child that it becomes a crime against the right to life.

I’ve stayed at numerous Catholic hospitals during pregnancy, and they perform procedures there which result in “secondary abortions” on a regular basis, such as treating ectopic pregnancies.

On the other hand, I understand what his mother did. If someone had tried to abort my child I might have ripped their face off, even if they’d been trying to save me. Pregnant women aren’t always rational that way, and many are deeply attached to their children, even in the womb.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 11:15

The pro-baby-killing crowd has played a propaganda trick on people with abortion statistics.

They often claim that 2/3 of people support abortion.

But really, what the case is, is that 1/3 of people support Birthcontrol Abortion (abortion on demand), 1/3 of people support abortion in cases of maternal health, incest, rape etc. – but not for birthcontrol purposes, and 1/3 of people do not support abortion under any circumstances.

But, when one looks at the amount of abortions that must be performed for maternal health, incest & rape – those numbers compared to the overall amount of abortions is so miniscule it is almost a moot point.

Most people don’t support Birthcontrol Abortion.

Btw. If all of the 40-50,000,000 some babies that had been aborted over the past 40 years had been allowed to live, plus that many of them would now also have children of their own… well, there wouldn’t be such a demographic problem, now would there?

If men are drafted to go to war to protect the country, the very least that women could do is have a few babies to keep the country alive.

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Soap February 3, 2010 at 11:24

I think this column in the Post is a nice sign. It probably won’t amount to much, but I’m glad to see it.

For those that believe in abortion on demend, I have only one request: Don’t cry to me about people killed in wars, natural disasters, or whatever. You’ve already proven that you don’t value human life, so spare me your hypocrisy.

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Globalman February 3, 2010 at 11:27

Bob February 3, 2010 at 09:11
“I recall an argument from a while back with a pro-choice woman. She said the life begins when the fetus/baby’s brain can think.”
Hey, does this mean by her standards we can apply a few late term abortions to women who can obviously not think? I mean, Hillary Clinton would be at the top of that list!!! That is if we can stop her from ducking and diving from the sniper fire she keeps hearing… ;-)

G February 3, 2010 at 10:38
“when you’ll stop debating with trolls. Just like Globalman.”
Yep..there is no point responding to or debating with western women. I just call them children and tell them to fuck off and talk on the feministing.com echo chamber. My other responses are to demonstrate to men just how messed up they are.

fedrz February 3, 2010 at 11:15
“Btw. If all of the 40-50,000,000 some babies that had been aborted over the past 40 years had been allowed to live,”
Dude, you are way out. There are 50M babies aborted PER YEAR….and some estimates say that something like 2 Billion babies have been aborted over the last 40 years.

Every year, women kill 10x more babies than hitler is ALLEGED to have killed jews.

Let me repeat that.

EVERY YEAR, WOMEN KILL 10X MORE BABIES THAN HITLER IS ALLEGED TO HAVE KILLED JEWS.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 11:32

Dude, you are way out. There are 50M babies aborted PER YEAR

That’s how many have been aborted in the USA since Roe vs. Wade.

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:33

Fedrz, a quarter of pregnancies are aborted in the US every year. And that’s now that the numbers have declined sharply.

Essentially it’s a “right to kill” idea — which is basically what abortion rights are.

Women as 007.

Naomi’s actually quite straightforward about many things. Have you read her missive about the dangers of pornography?

there’s no reason why selling your baby should be illegal
In the States, it’s called adoption. Takes a nice chunk of change, it does. Don’t need to show up with less than $25K. And that’s only if it’s a kid that nobody else wants. Black kids are cheaper, obviously. Black boys are on permanent discount.

You don’t make anyone jump, except for trying to make Joseph into your White Knight.
Fedrz, you sound jealous. ;-) Oh, c’mon man! She’s totally getting off on the attention.

a celibate sexually-repressed anal retentive old man
Why do you assume that celibacy makes men sexually-repressed? Maybe they’d like to spend their unmarried lives doing something other than chasing tail. Some people have… you know… other interests.
You might want to get a hobby, or something. Teach yourself to crochet.

One actually still exists in the wild.
Two! I married one. Oh, wait three with Joseph! See, they’re still around. Actually, I know a lot of guys like that, but most of the women I know aren’t skanks, either. Birds of a feather…

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 11:33

In fact, the USA is about on par with Communism for killing.

In 90 years, Communism lined up and shot over 100 Million people.

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:35

Actually, it’s gone from a quarter down to 15%. Still crazy-high, though. And those are only the reported ones. The ones performed in private clinics are often not reported.

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fedrz February 3, 2010 at 11:37

Oh, c’mon man! She’s totally getting off on the attention.

She would stop coming here fast if everyone gave her a smack when she showed up, instead of “ignoring her” and focusing their attention on the people smacking her. That gives her the attention of “allies.” Which, btw, she plays on constantly – as in with Joseph.

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piercedhead February 3, 2010 at 11:38

fedrz, im telling you, stop answering, its becoming painfull, for me, and for others probably.
I believe you know Game, then you should know that ignoring a woman is the most powerfull action you can take.

Might be painful for you, but it’s entertainment to me. I love seeing trolls slaughtered by someone way smarter than them.

As for the Naomi Wolf argument that she has the right to kill a fetus because it’s using her resources, she kind of forgets that she invited it in. Her argument comes across a bit like someone killing a house guest she invited over for dinner because he’s drinking her wine and eating her food – which no doubt she’d probably claim the right to do if she changed her precious mind after she’d arranged her little soiree.

And if she insists on the right to get varmints off her property, killing them isn’t necessary. What difference does it make to her if the Abortion Clinic kills the fetus, or if it removes it alive and transplants it into someone who wants a baby? I wonder if she’d hold to her argument when such medical procedures come available?

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:38

More statistics from the link:

According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), there were 820,151 legal induced abortions in the US in 2005.

In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions. Another study, in 1998, revealed that in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:

* 25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
* 21.3% Cannot afford a baby
* 14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
* 12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
* 10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
* 7.9% Want no (more) children
* 3.3% Risk to fetal health
* 2.8% Risk to maternal health
* 2.1% Other

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Default User February 3, 2010 at 11:42

@Black&German

3.3% Risk to fetal health

I am not sure I understand that one. Is this a sort of “we had to kill the patient before he got any sicker” type of thing?

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:43

Her argument comes across a bit like someone killing a house guest she invited over for dinner because he’s drinking her wine and eating her food – which no doubt she’d probably claim the right to do if she changed her precious mind after she’d arranged her little soiree.

Excellent point. Hmm…

The very same liberals complained about our Texas trespassing laws. Used to be that if you wanted to kill somebody, you could just invite them over for dinner, shoot them on the doorstep, drag them across the threshold, and then claim self-defense.

Abortion is like claiming self-defense. “I invited it in but then I changed my mind and decided to chop it into little pieces and suck it out with a vacuum cleaner. My choice.”

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:45

I am not sure I understand that one. Is this a sort of “we had to kill the patient before he got any sicker” type of thing?

Yeah, that’s what amniocentesis is for, for example. If you find out that your child has Down’s syndrome or is deaf or whatever, you get to cut and run at the last minute. More children die from amniocentesis than they find abnormalities, though, which shows just how sick you have to be to do it. Risk killing your child to find out if you can kill your child.

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21Guns February 3, 2010 at 12:10

I’m seeing more and more anitfeminist sentiment being expressed in my social circles lately. What’s interesting is, most of it is coming from lesbians.

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Firepower February 3, 2010 at 12:15

funny how wimmin hate
little timmy tebow
but forgot all about
Tiger

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Avenger February 3, 2010 at 12:16

dragnet: The laws regarding killing a foetus to save the mother’s life were not changed due to Roe v Wade. Physicians were always permitted to perform this grusome task in the past as today and of course it was killing but was permitted to save the woman. Not all women chose it and preferred to take a chance and have the baby and some did die. “Late term abortion” is not the same thing because it is performed for the purpose of abortion and not to save a woman’s life.

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Firepower February 3, 2010 at 12:18

foetus is cooler
than fetus

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Avenger February 3, 2010 at 12:43

BlackGerman: well of course the number of females having abortions due to rape or incest would be a tiny 1%. Rape and incest are very rare and it was only the feminists constantly going on about these things that brainwashed the public into believing they were big problems. They also always use the rape and incest thing because it gets the pro abortionists more sympathy when they push their agenda.And btw, in the rare cases of rape it is almost unheard of for a female who reports it and goes to a hospital to get pregnant because a D&C is done and the chance of pregnancy is close to nil.

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Steezer February 3, 2010 at 13:39

Globalman, “ALLEGED to have killed Jews”?!

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Gx1080 February 3, 2010 at 14:00

I just realized that the West is going to be remembered as a culture that sacrified their unborn childs to the false idol of Feminism. That’s a depressing thought.

And women should realize that they aren’t special just for being able to bear children. They shouldn’t have all the decisions of the child’s life just because they came out of their vaginas. Biologically they are for that.

Western women can’t do even that right.

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Rant Casey February 3, 2010 at 14:15

When I was in my mothers womb, Doctors suspected she had cancer in the pituitary gland.

They even recomended her abortion, wich was an option in this case, in Brazil.

Since I’m typing this, you all can safely assume that she rejected that option.

She is a brave woman, and loved her son above all things. Even before her own life.

Thanks mom.

Abortionism produces nothing. They are strong supporters of death on a whim, and nothing else. I think they would do better supporting the implementation of suicide booths. And yes, they could give the exemple: walk the walk. How about that? If you hate life, its much more honorable to end yours, instead of incentivating the death of others!

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Globalman February 3, 2010 at 14:32

Steezer February 3, 2010 at 13:39
Globalman, “ALLEGED to have killed Jews”?!

Alleged to have killed 6 million jews. It didn’t happen that way. There were nowhere near 6 million jews killed by hitler…

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The Fifth Horseman February 3, 2010 at 15:02

This is not so much about women becoming moral (don’t hold your breath), but rather that the resources that can be wrested from men getting maxed out, and the all-powerful female coalition discovering internal fractures among them.

Single high-income women will soon want to stop subsidizing single mothers.

Cougars after their WEC moment will begin to vocally hate younger women. It is interesting how marriage masked the difference between women of 28 vs. 36, and now that feminism has destroyed marriage, this gap is being seen for the large gap it is.

And yes, there strong feelings in both directions about Sarah Palin, among women.

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The Fifth Horseman February 3, 2010 at 15:08

Why is adoption so expensive? It should cost very little other than some basic paperwork.

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Gunslingergregi February 3, 2010 at 15:32

”””””’Stephen C,
Are we really talking about the same country where a grown man can’t decide for himself whether he needs to wear a seatbelt?””””””””

For real right. That was the moment I knew I no longer lived in a free country. Then of cource the realization of you don’t own your house because you can get kicked out if you don’t pay taxes. Then the fact that some one can make you move because they want to build a mall.

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adan flores February 3, 2010 at 15:57

So squeal the womyn of SOW-er, NOW. This way to the abbatoir, piglettes.

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Black&German February 3, 2010 at 16:53

Adopting a foster child is dirt cheap, but the biological parents are often hanging around causing trouble. Otherwise, it’s major bucks. You have to pay attorneys and stuff. A woman on the radio yesterday was saying she had to pay a $7000 for a “merchandise export visa” to get a kid home from some 3rd-world country. It’s a racket.

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Zeta February 3, 2010 at 17:40

Globalman, do you have any sources on that? I’ve found you mostly reputable, and why should it be a crime (literally, in many countries) to want proof of the Holocaust? There’s a whole industry behind it, in fact, a whole country was formed because of it. I’d like to know where the “official story” comes from.

My suspicion is many Jews did die, but substantially less than the stated number, and perhaps the majority of deaths were from disease in the camps, particularly at the end of the war, when supplies were running low. You’d give your soldiers the food and supplies first, then normal citizens, and camp prisoners last.

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Welmer February 3, 2010 at 17:53

My suspicion is many Jews did die, but substantially less than the stated number, and perhaps the majority of deaths were from disease in the camps, particularly at the end of the war, when supplies were running low. You’d give your soldiers the food and supplies first, then normal citizens, and camp prisoners last.

-Zeta

Off topic, guys. This is from a war that still smarts in a lot of families, and we’ve got our own, current fight to deal with here, so let’s not resurrect ancient enmities that never served us well in the first place.

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Canadian Guy February 3, 2010 at 19:23

Bob said:

” I recall an argument from a while back with a pro-choice woman. She said the life begins when the fetus/baby’s brain can think. ”

So all women are figuratively dead then?

I don’t think, therefore I’m not?

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Exiled Saint February 3, 2010 at 23:13

StephenC,

“I may be having some comprehension issues here”

If you can not connect the dots between loss of religion/God in western societies and the increase in abortions. You indeed have comprehension problems, maybe you have been raised atheist maybe you have never giving it thought, so before you blabber, think.

Post WW2 churches are full, households are dominated/controlled by God, the Church and all the little freaky rules they have. Abortion was simply not done! Our economies grow, we became increasingly wealthy which had led people to leave churches over an extended period of time, hence the values/morals that stem from being Christian started drifting, social control became less, family values became less, individualism became stronger.

Talk about seat-belts: A wise man will decide to wear one, so will not be bothered by a simple rule.

Now I do believe some American Cars have an automatic belt system, that has been created for dummies that constantly fail to remember to use it.

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Robert February 4, 2010 at 00:37

Avenger February 3, 2010 at 12:43
BlackGerman: well of course the number of females having abortions due to rape or incest would be a tiny 1%. Rape and incest are very rare and it was only the feminists constantly going on about these things that brainwashed the public into believing they were big problems. They also always use the rape and incest thing because it gets the pro abortionists more sympathy when they push their agenda.And btw, in the rare cases of rape it is almost unheard of for a female who reports it and goes to a hospital to get pregnant because a D&C is done and the chance of pregnancy is close to nil.

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“Rape and incest are very rare”

Not according to the gender feminists. They still have women thinking there’s a man around every corner waiting to rape or assault them.

“They also always use the rape and incest thing because it gets the pro abortionists more sympathy when they push their agenda.”

This is true. I have seen the same argument used on abortion threads. When their argument doesn’t hold up, there is the old favorite; ” It’s her body, her right, it’s the law!

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Robert February 4, 2010 at 00:47

Rant Casey February 3, 2010 at 14:15
When I was in my mothers womb, Doctors suspected she had cancer in the pituitary gland.

They even recomended her abortion, wich was an option in this case, in Brazil.

Since I’m typing this, you all can safely assume that she rejected that option.

She is a brave woman, and loved her son above all things. Even before her own life.

Thanks mom.

Abortionism produces nothing. They are strong supporters of death on a whim, and nothing else. I think they would do better supporting the implementation of suicide booths. And yes, they could give the exemple: walk the walk. How about that? If you hate life, its much more honorable to end yours, instead of incentivating the death of others!

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Amongst other things, I have reached the conclusion that abortion is a form of feminist endorsed population control. I wish I could find the link to a news report where it was uncovered that many pro-chocers and abortion clinic personnel were actively encouraging women who were preganant with male infants, to abort their preganancies.

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Robert February 4, 2010 at 00:48

Your mother was brave. You are her reward and tesimony.

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Robert February 4, 2010 at 00:55

The Fifth Horseman February 3, 2010 at 15:08
Why is adoption so expensive? It should cost very little other than some basic paperwork.

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I personally think it is about need and greed.

A couple feles the need to have a child, or children, and are willing to pay whatever price to have a child or, children. The beauracracy knows this and out of greed makes sure they profit from the need. Children are considered to be a commodity that can be bought and sold.

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Robert February 4, 2010 at 00:55

couple feles the need should be feels

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Kulak February 4, 2010 at 01:32

Tim Tebow is everything feminism hates: he is a believing, pro-life Christian who has even had the nerve to remain celibate pending marriage. Feminists, despite their incessant use of shaming language and denigration of male sexuality, seem to hate nothing more than people who promote sexual abstinence outside of marriage, perhaps because they know that this strips them of a great deal of power over men.

You ain’t kidding here — especially about the part that men who don’t fawn over women (sexually), indeed indeed strips them of a great deal of power!

This is what I have found most amuzing of the R&R demented duo (regular readers here should know exactly of whom I am referring to).

It’s the ‘ambient porn’ phenomenon writ large — yet so sad, and hypocritical, of feminists who go on their jihad’s against ‘Game’, yet have not a word to say about slag women who provoke these desires in men, in other words, the ‘look but you can’t touch’ — cause remember boyz, this most likely will lead to ‘rape’!

Ah, the female ego — does it know any bounds?

What a way to absolutely poison real relations between men and women, and to tear a society down.

Well, maybe it was intended this way by the Fe-Marxist social engineers from the beginning.

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 06:23

Welmer…off topic but answering his question..

Zeta February 3, 2010 at 17:40
Zeta,
there were a lot of articles I flipped through after I watched the Eustice Mullins video where he categorically stated the Holocaust did not happen the way it was portrayed. Jeff Rense had an article pointing out that Churchill and Eisenhauser did not mention ANYTHING about a genocide in their memiors. The piece that convinced me was that a guy did an interview claiming to be an expert in the use of gas for killing people. He had built some gas chambers for states that had the death penalty was his claim and he claimed to be expert in ‘all things gas’. He said he went to auswitz to inspect the gas chambers. His claim was based on two major factors:
1. The doors and seals were no-where near the required grade for safely using lethal gas.
2. There were no chimneys (and aerial recon also shows this) through which the gas could be dispersed after gassing.

His claim was that there was no possible way 4M people were gassed at auswitz. A little further poking around showed that some groups of jews had claimed that 6M jews had been exterminated in WW I in 1919 and they had tried to get a ‘jews were slaughtered’ campaign going then. Putting it all together it seemed very simply obvious that 6M jews were not killed and that it was a snow job to create an environment where any criticism of jews is seen as ‘hatred’.

I didn’t bother to research it any more as I was pretty easily convinced. The very fact that it is a crime to ask for proof of the holocaust is just about enough for me right from the start. I did not need much convincing. There are plenty of people out there who have written books on this subject. Once I was aware that Hitler was a stooge who was used and that the same crowd made questioning the holocaust a crime, the fact there were no chimneys was enough for me. Others may take more convincing…they should read a book. Start with Eustice Mullins…who, sadly, passed away yesterday. We have lost one of our greatest champions.

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 06:26

Kulak February 4, 2010 at 01:32
“Well, maybe it was intended this way by the Fe-Marxist social engineers from the beginning.”
How many times do I have to point to http://www.henrymakow.com and say that the bad guys are deliberately doing this before people actually go through henrys site and actually understand he is 100% accurate. He’s spent 10 years of his life doing research on how the Illuminati are driving feminism. Anyone who thinks that anything else different is happening simply has not read enough yet to be convinced. And some people are never convinced….’doubting thomas’ is commonly the name given to them.

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 06:29

Welmer February 3, 2010 at 17:53
“Off topic, guys. This is from a war that still smarts in a lot of families, and we’ve got our own, current fight to deal with here, so let’s not resurrect ancient enmities that never served us well in the first place.”
Actually, I would argue that it is not nearly so off topic as you might imagine. The war and the ‘holocaust’ were organised by the same people who are organising feminism and destroying our current society.

And the ‘holocaust’ with its victimhood mentality that makes any criticism of any jew ‘anti-semitism’ uses the same techniques as feminists use with their victimhood of the patriarchy and any criticism of a woman is ‘sexist’. Once you can see the patterns of mind control you can see they are the same and very common across all areas where mind control is being applied.

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StephenC February 4, 2010 at 06:29

If you can not connect the dots between loss of religion/God in western societies and the increase in abortions. You indeed have comprehension problems…

Had you actually said in the first place that an increase in abortions correlated (not so coincidentally) with a decrease in religious sensibilities I would have agreed. Had you said so in a writing style that isn’t garbled and befitting one who greatly overestimates his own understanding then I wouldn’t have had any difficulty understanding.

Also….that first sentence quoted above is a travesty of the english language. I’d suggest that anytime you start a sentence with an “if…” you should probably close it with a “then…”

Cheers,
S

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Rant Casey February 4, 2010 at 06:43

@ Robert

I thank you on her behalf.

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 06:55

“The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men… All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft.” (“The Declaration of Feminism,” November 1971).

Hands up anyone who has NOT read this before. The declaration of feminism includes the end of marriage and the end of christianity as stated goals. Any surprise that abortion is part of a depopulation agenda? Not to me there isn’t.

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 06:58

You know…I say men should refuse to co habit with women and the wimmin get all upset. Yet they do not seem to have read that pretty much ALL leading feminists like Germain Greer advocated that women live separately from men to be ‘liberated’. There it is in the declaration of feminism…women to live separately from men…that’s just fine by me as long as I don’t have to subsidise them in any way.

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Scattered February 4, 2010 at 07:11

GB

Two things.

So is there not a record of holocaust victims? And if there is then you say most of them never existed?

If as you say it was a snow job to create an environment where any criticism of jews is seen as ‘hatred’ then perhaps you can tell me why antisemitism exists in the first place?

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 07:14

Just in case anyone wants an example of how ludicrous the Illuminati mind control is, but effective in being used by political bodies to continually lower standards of everything try this link.

http://info-wars.org/2010/02/03/taxi-drivers-accused-of-racism-over-st-george-stickers/

The local council has declared it ‘racist’ of an english speaking taxi driver in england advertises that he speaks english because, you know, that’s racist against the taxi drivers in england who can not speak english. This is the local council saying ‘If you advertise that you have the skill of speaking english, in england, as a taxi driver, we will take away your license to make your living’. Can you say ‘police state’?

You think feminism is NOT run by the same crowd?

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 07:32

Scattered February 4, 2010 at 07:11
“So is there not a record of holocaust victims? And if there is then you say most of them never existed?”
The germans kept intricate details of everything they did all through the war. Typical german precision. If you ask for proof of the holocaust, ask to see these records, in germany you will be locked up. What does that tell you? Tells me there is no record, otherwise the proof would be laid out for all to see.

“If as you say it was a snow job to create an environment where any criticism of jews is seen as ‘hatred’ then perhaps you can tell me why antisemitism exists in the first place?”
Duh, why do some people not like black people, why do some people not like white people, why do some people not like serbians, why do some people not like russians, why do some people not like muslims? You think jews are ‘special’ that some people don’t like them? Grow up. The Illuminati have been running ‘divide and conquer’ for 5,000 years. They invented the religions to make good and sure they could get the sheeple to fight among themselves. It’s all just divide and conquer. Same for feminism.

In case you didn’t know it. The banksters who hide behind the fascade of being ‘jewish’, the same way hitler hid behind the fascade of being ‘christian’, are earning all jews a bad name. Most of us know that those of the jewish faith are pretty good people and that a few banksters FALSELY calling themselves jews are earning them a bad name. Even when a JEWISH person like Henry Makow says the bad guys are NOT jewish and are implementing their NWO the JEWS call him anti-semetic!! LOL!! The jews and their ‘anti-semitism’ claims and their ‘we are persecuted, we are hated’ routine is about as real and boring as feminists talking about the ‘oppression of the patriarchy’. It also didn’t happen. It’s about time Jewish men realised they are being used as ‘useful idiots’ with all this ‘anti-semitism’ crap. In all my life I never met a man who genuinely hated ‘jews’. Not one. I’ve met plenty more who hated ‘blacks’….also unjustifiably. Plenty of black guys here will tell you stories of some REAL persecution to their ancestors and themselves. Jews have had it pretty good by comparison to blacks in america.

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Globalman February 4, 2010 at 07:43

Gee..talk about timely….on Henrys site today:

http://www.henrymakow.com/larry_david_-_trainwreck_in_sl.html

“All Jews suffer from the actions of a comparative few. They need to speak up or be identified with the Illuminati Jews. Anti-Semitism is not an irrational sickness of gentiles. It’s caused by Jews like Larry David.”

You see, Larry David recently did a show where a Jew urinated on a picture of Jesus Christ and then the christian of the house prayed before the ‘miracle’. Apparently it is highly offensive to muslims to even put Mohammed in a cartoon but urinating on a picture of Jesus Christ is supposed to be acceptable to christians because it is ‘funny’. Can you see the similarity that a woman hitting a man is funny and a man hitting a woman is ‘assault’?

If people say ‘Hey, depicting someone urinating on Jesus Christ is offensive’ you programmed idiot Jews claim ‘anti-semitism’ the same way programmed idiot women claim ‘sexism’ if they are pulled up for doing something offensive like killing a man in cold blood. Anti-semitism and sexism/oppression of women are run by the same crowd. I would have thought that was obvious to any intelligent man. Henry has been saying that for years.

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Scattered February 4, 2010 at 08:17

GB

Racism is rooted in something rationale or no, I simply wanted to know why these ‘banksters’ need a victim image.

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Sean Macloud February 4, 2010 at 09:14

[quote]
@Scattered February 4, 2010 at 07:11

Two things.

So is there not a record of holocaust victims? And if there is then you say most of them never existed?

If as you say it was a snow job to create an environment where any criticism of jews is seen as ‘hatred’ then perhaps you can tell me why antisemitism exists in the first place?
[/quote]

Anti semitism exists because jews are a race of migrant trouble makers who are the backbone of most scam movements in history: Christianity (and its destruction of Rome), Sheckl-isms as the measure of a man(rather than more manly sex displays), communism/liberal egalitarian hoax and feminism. (And more — probably obscure civil wars in medieval Britain and northern Europe for example.)

intelligent Europenas see the jews as a problem for the same reason Amer Indians see the cavalry as one.

This isn’t that hard to understand.

German jewsih issues:

30s– jews outlawed from finance, legal and media power in Germany because jews were communist trouble makers advocating violent revolution to overthrow the host societies. And Germany being humiliated by Versailles –and maybe just more tuned in to this stuff naturally– was in no easy mood for tolerating it. Jewish activism in that region and period responsible for hundreds of thousdand dead in Ukraine/eatern Europe, Poland and Russian. Only few miles away from Berlin. (not to mention black hand anarchy communism that assinated German Emperor Ferd in Serbia and started WWI(going badly for Germans).

40s– Germany’s impending defeat in Soviet Union (obvious to elites in late 41; certainly by late 42 it was obvious to even laymen) causes draconian “anti saboteur” ie martial law [summary executions] to spike way up. Jews being the ‘commissar class’(in this instance take that to mean rabal rouser acivists) of communism (as they are in 60s, 70s 80s america) are deemed saboteurs/terrorists often by German rear.

44 and 45–German jews interned. Mostly north western “hamberg” jews moved to south east, to confiscate their property and give to german laborers displaced by allied bombing of north west _civilain popualtions_.

Most of these interned jews lived. Many German jews were not interned: military service history, half breeds, no evidence of trouble maker [communist activist "terrorist"] behavior being the factor.

During internment, as war came to end, Germany was starving: No food to cities, women and children not eating, no electricity no plumbing, dead culture. Allies still bombing civlians to the last week. And I would imagine German ‘spree de cor’ being in even a less easy mood. Interned political prisoners and _sentenced criminals_ fare badly in last few month. Disease and starvation and Guards –known in all cultures to be cruedest soldiers –engaging in summary martial law brutishness (ie dead angry culture psychology kicking in ‘fatalism’).

Review
Three periods (all conveniently deemd ‘holocaust’):

30s
Poltical pustch against jewish activism. Nobody in camps, except maybe sentenced looters here and there like in any regime. (Note Jews are enemy aliens in host society advocating extremist revolution; disproportionaly wealthy [in charge of finance /usery (legalsized loan sharking) and banks in other peoples countries!] and ethnocentric. Take as example 20 century america with the media and academic takover, lies, laws and feminist activism and etc. Americans are just slower witted than ther krauts.)

40s
terrorist/sabateur problem in east as Germany retreats. Jews on bad end of that stick.

Late war
German jews to interment. Bad vibe in camps with actual sentenced criminals and etc

…More things to keep in mind:

-Most numbers come for Stalinist Soviet period. Deemed notoriously deceptive. Nothing from that period is accepted by West. Except of course war crime numbers… (duh)

-No gas chambers! Well known fact now. (Except in prisons with the one seater deals like USA: chlorine gas. Frowned on in favor of hanging for condemed.

-All jews not interned; Nor all deemed terrorist saboteurs in east.

-Most jews survived.

-Auschwitz numbers revised from 4 million to 1.5 quietly in last few years.

Everything else is classic “tidy myth” –wrapped up in psychological “yuck factor” (late war images etc)– to make the “useful idiots” be more useful.

Lastly, define “holocaust”. Is it political speeches against jewish behavior; is it summary executions of Soviet villagers; is it late war internment; Is it all jews system wide targeted; Gas chambers? is is Stalin’s numbers? Is it Ours? Is it post-war war-crime trials–with evidence long since dissmissed as incorrcet? Is it simply trying to pin something on hitler for simpleton-reasons. (Meaning simpletons like their figures in history; and likewise other simpletons like deconstructing those figures.)

It is tidy poltical myth. A bad deal no doubt; people suck and all that. Scapegoated good jews with bad jews.. to be sure. But the belief itself is myth that grew over post war period.

Not to mention… jews are not innocent victims. They are often the focal points of history; and then occasionally host cultures catch on to that and try to expel the destructive parasite.

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Gunslingergregi February 4, 2010 at 10:02

””””’Talk about seat-belts: A wise man will decide to wear one, so will not be bothered by a simple rule.””””””

Are there seat belts on motorcycles?

I destroyed the inside of a car broke windshield with head knee through dashboard big hole and was finewalked away no scratches and was wearing no seatbelt

Ex girlfriend in car with brother she had no seatbelt and got scratch on knee from head on collision he had brack problems and was wearing seatbelt.

When it is you time it is your time.

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Firepower February 4, 2010 at 10:14

For anybody who wants to wipe the foam
from their mouth

Illuminati-Holocaust stuff
lends as much credibility
as grannies singing
Fuck CBS

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Steezer February 4, 2010 at 10:27

Indeed, Firepower. Globalman and Sean Macloud, you are not doing anything for the credibility of The Spearhead.

I don’t run things here, of course, but if I did, I’d say, feel free to post your claptrap elsewhere, but consider what effect your posting it here might have on Welmer’s site. If you don’t care about that, well, that’s telling.

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Firepower February 4, 2010 at 11:16

Steezer February 4, 2010 at 10:27

Indeed, Firepower. Globalman and Sean Macloud…

The very fact
you didn’t accuse us
of being Jews

PROVES YOU
are one of Them.

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Zeta February 4, 2010 at 11:18

Perhaps it should be moved to a thread discussion on the forum. I don’t find anything particularly offensive or “claptrappy” about it, but at this point it is getting off topic. (Although Globalman is right when he says it’s all “divide and conquer” and planned by the same people, but most will be reluctant to see the link.)

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Firepower February 4, 2010 at 11:20

So shut the fuck up
and return to hating
on just the bitches

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Zeta February 4, 2010 at 11:20

…To be fair, though, if we’re going to start editing the comments here, can we PLEASE ban or restrict trolls like LR and “canadian girl” who consistently hijack threads? Talk about people who derail things into off topic land! Let’s be consistent here… Globalman is one of our best assets, while people like LR and “canadian girl” are the bottom of the barrel dreck. Let’s not treat the dreck with kid gloves and the asset with a billy club.

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Firepower February 4, 2010 at 11:26

LR hasn’t posted here in a very long time.
She is not even a problem.

She’s busy with an anchor made of Obsidian around her neck.
It takes a blowhard to busy a blowhard.

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Firepower February 4, 2010 at 11:30

People in positions of respect refrain from Illuminati/Rothschild/Holocaust
diatribes

If they want to preserve that respect.

No, that doesn’t mean they themselves are agents of the Illuminati. Pastors, Oprah, the guy who married you, a judge, Charleton Heston, Glenn Beck, ME and my Sainted Irish mother all don’t suddenly get glassy eyed and talk seriously about the bug poop in our peanut butter.

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Zeta February 4, 2010 at 11:47

Firepower, stop spamming the thread. You are the one who is looking “unstable”.

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Firepower February 4, 2010 at 12:06

NEIN!

You are spreadink defeatism amongst der Volksturm fightink fanatical Bolshevism at ze Eastern Front! Soon, ze glourius Fuehrer and ze Ruhppenbanfunk says ve vill achive der final victory! It is you who ist under arrest from ze Gestapo!

Yes. You are maybe right in Welmer telling you to lay off. Crazy conspiracy talk is good for a laugh before the weekend plot is hatched.

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Truth(er) February 4, 2010 at 12:23

The vast majority of abortions are committed by feminists, leftists, progressives and democrats. Legal abortion is doing a fantastic job of thinning the population of white, liberal democrats…the most dangerous cohort in America.

Say what you will about the morality of abortion, but, I for one, would like to see the population of progressive pinched at the current generation.

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msexceptiontotherule February 4, 2010 at 15:20

Whether someone obtains an abortion or not is a matter between them and their sexual partner.

I still have a hard time believing that anyone gets pregnant on accident – as if they didn’t realize that unprotected sex could result in the conception of a child. However, just because I would not personally choose to have an abortion doesn’t mean that I don’t think that access to a safe provider who is competent and licensed as a physician, practicing medicine in a proper facility is something that needs to be available. We can’t dictate other people’s morality just because it’s not to our liking nor do we have to live like they do.

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Black&German February 4, 2010 at 17:35

Firepower,
You are on a roll today! Really liked the one about the Philistines in the other thread.

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Gunslingergregi February 4, 2010 at 17:44

Msexception when it hasn’t happened in 17 years and it happens it can be surprizing he he he

But yea as on another thread at least the fetus and babies go to heaven.

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Scattered February 4, 2010 at 21:29

We can’t dictate other people’s morality just because it’s not to our liking nor do we have to live like they do.

What are you talking about of course we can and do, am allowed to murder or steal? Is that not morality that we impose on each other as a functioning society, what a women does with and to her body is of course her own business however when she gets pregnant there is another human life in the equation.

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Xamuel February 5, 2010 at 10:11

If feminism loses its luster today, that’ll be a few decades too late already.

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Globalman February 5, 2010 at 13:27

Scattered February 4, 2010 at 08:17
“I simply wanted to know why these ‘banksters’ need a victim image.”
They need ‘victims’ so that when the ‘victims’ commit crimes any attempt to point this out is met with a hail of ‘whatever-ism’. Example. You point out that women lie in court and you are shouted down with ‘sexism’ and ‘woman-hater’ and ‘you want to see women bashed’. Nope. I was just pointing out this woman committed a crime. And plenty of men join in too. How many men have told me I should ‘just get over it’? It being crimes committed against me. All powerful social engineering tools require the brainwashing of the ‘useful idiots’ to be ‘victims’ to they feel like they can commit crimes with impunity. They then also pound on the ‘perpetrators’ to emasculate them to accept the crimes being committed against them. Have I just summarised ‘feminism’ or what?

This was very noticable when I first went to Germany for an extended time in 2005. One night I went into a bar and met a guy…inside 15 minutes he was apologising to me for WW II! I was like WTF? You didn’t do it, I didn’t suffer, what are you apologising for? Now that I see the bigger picture german men born in the 60s apologising for WW II is rather like so many men today who feel like they need to apologise for the so call ‘oppression of women’. It’s worth noting that the very same tactics are being used on men today for the ‘oppression of the patriarchy’ as were used on germans for the ‘holocaust’.

“-Auschwitz numbers revised from 4 million to 1.5 quietly in last few years.”
I had heard that from my daughter who visited there 3 years ago but I figured she just got it wrong.

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Epoche* February 5, 2010 at 13:34

this liberal mind had become a network of thoughtful people beating their breasts over the purported iniquities of capitalism and Western imperialism. Their remorse was anything but personal, however. Rather, these liberals were thinking of themselves as the innocent part of a guilty whole. The prosperity of the West, they claimed to discover, rested upon the oppression of others.

As the liberal mind came to dominate Western culture, it turned out to be marvellously fertile in discovering more and more abstract classes of people constituted by their pain, people whom “we” had treated badly. These included not only the poor, but also indigenous peoples, women, victims of child abuse, gays, the disabled—indeed, potentially just about everybody except healthy heterosexual white males
from the author of the liberal mind

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=672&layout=html#chapter_165207

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jfr February 5, 2010 at 15:13

THANK YOU Globalman and Sean M for bringing your points to light. And don’t forget the Balfour Agreement of 1917.

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Fabian February 5, 2010 at 16:38

“restraint will get you nowhere in hurry. marriage is a state-enforced slavery contract and no sane man would sign that contract in this day and age.

so if comes down to getting my sexual NEEDS met through pre-marital sex or being a celibate sexually-repressed anal retentive old man, I’ll choose “sin” over marital suicide any day of the week.

You cannot expect the majority of young men to be abstinent or avoiding reality and the biological nature of humans.”

This is the kind of dumb-ass opinion by certain men on this blog and in society in general who just don’t get it. The cognitive dissonance is killing me!

It is good and right for men to want respect. It is good and right for men to demand that women not act like sluts, but it’s only fair that MEN reciprocate by not acting like sluts either.

It may shock certain people, but many, many women agree that men are getting a raw deal nowadays. So what do moron posters on this blog, like fedrz, say when a good woman comes along and posts something supportive? “Fuck Off!” or “You’re a cunt!” Hey fedrz, sorry you had a girlfriend that raked your heart over the coals and crushed your pride. But guess what? She may have been a cunt, but that doesn’t make every woman out there a cunt.

We need a strong men’s movement in this country. What we don’t need are men who claim to want good, loyal, trustworthy women while simultaneously extolling the virtues of using “game” to fuck around like the very women they despise.

You can’t have it both ways, gentlemen. The Madonna-Whore doesn’t exist. If you want easy, loose women, you have to accept that those women will be bitchy, unreliable, disrepsectful, spoiled cunts. If you want good, honest, trustworthy, respectful women, then YOU have to be good, honest, trustworthy and respectful to them. Men who spout about how bad women are while simultaneously fucking around with the same women, thereby reinforcing women’s bad behavour, are just part of the problem. In fact, such men are giving ammunition to militant feminists who think all men are pigs. I’m sick and tired of men who don’t get this.

So is the purpose of this blog to just serve as a place where wounded men can come and bitch about how bad women are, and do nothing about it? Or is this blog a place where we can point out the truth about the evils of feminism AND accept our responsibility for making the world a better place by improving our own behavior? I sincerely hope it’s the latter. Because I’ll tell you, there’s nothing more pathetic than a “man” who bitches and moans about how he has no power to change anything. I want to see Western Civilization survive and endure. If you want the same thing, then we’re going to have to do some things, starting with changes in our own conduct as well as working to get laws changed. We also have to resurrect the idea of honorable behavior. That means we hold marriage, and babies, and life, in high regard. That also means we ignore, ostracize, and shame those who do not. Yeah, that’s right. It means we get unapologetically judgemental toward people who are causing the problem. Never underestimate the power of shame to change human behavior.

Welmer, you founded this blog, and based on much of your writing, you seem like a reasonable person. So if I may respectfully request – what is the mission statement of this blog, in the context of what I’ve written above?

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Mark February 5, 2010 at 16:51

It is good and right for men to demand that women not act like sluts, but it’s only fair that MEN reciprocate by not acting like sluts either.

There’s no such thing as a male slut. Telling men not to be sluts is basically the same as telling them not to get pregnant. The only men who refer to each other as sluts are all of the interior-decorating hairdressing variety.

A single man has no reason to remain chaste. It’s not as if the mother won’t be sure that the baby is hers because the father fucks around with lots of women. Your argument has no merit and makes no sense.

On a side note, what the fuck is wrong with people? Has everybody lost their fucking minds? What is this bullshit about judging men according to female sexual standards? I have seen this shit repeatedly lately, are there really THAT many retards walking around unsupervised in our society?

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Welmer February 5, 2010 at 17:05

Welmer, you founded this blog, and based on much of your writing, you seem like a reasonable person. So if I may respectfully request – what is the mission statement of this blog, in the context of what I’ve written above?

-Fabian

I’d say that the original mission was to amplify our voices. I personally tried to include as many pro-male voices as possible. Before things get done, the issues themselves need to become a part of the public consciousness. Then, once they are, a dialog emerges in which people begin to figure out how to address them. So I suppose we are just getting into that second phase.

But honestly, like I said, the original mission was broadcasting our opinions and ideas. It’s starting to work, but I guess now comes the hard part.

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Black&German February 5, 2010 at 17:19

The problem and disagreement, as I see it, is that there are two views on The Spearhead: the “rebuild society” view and the “tear down society” view.

The hard-core Gamers want to sleep with so many women that the entire civilization comes crashing down, in order to rebuild it later (or just for the heck of watching it crash).

The traditionalists (and most of the women) want to reform sexual mores so that men, women and children can live in a better world than we currently inhabit. Some of them are extremely cynical and have nearly given up hope, but many see it as a solvable problem.

The moderate Gamers (who are mostly jaded and cynical traditionalists) want reform, but aren’t willing to give up promiscuous sex in the meantime in order to accomplish that goal. If they thought the tide was turning, they’d probably side with the traditionalists, but they’re hedging their bets right now.

That actually seems to cover the general population and it’s wonderful that all groups are represented on this blog. It makes the conversations very heated, but also helps us all understand the situation better.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 17:47

””””’You can’t have it both ways, gentlemen. The Madonna-Whore doesn’t exist. If you want easy, loose women, you have to accept that those women will be bitchy, unreliable, disrepsectful, spoiled cunts. If you want good, honest, trustworthy, respectful women, then YOU have to be good, honest, trustworthy and respectful to them. Men who spout about how bad women are while simultaneously fucking around with the same women, thereby reinforcing women’s bad behavour, are just part of the problem. In fact, such men are giving ammunition to militant feminists who think all men are pigs. I’m sick and tired of men who don’t get this. ””””””’

Woman should be allowed to be how they want. Freedom. Men too. To put personal relationship descisions into law is the problem. Forcing people to pay for something they don’t want to is bullshit.

If a woman wants to be a

”””””””””””’bitchy, unreliable, disrepsectful, spoiled cunts””””””””’

then the free market should decide what she gets. If that is an attitude that gets a guy to support her and her children then great if that attitude gets her nothing so be it. What is happening now is a woman acts how she wants and a man pays for her by being forced to. Woman should have the right to act like that and they should have the right to be alone as well and judged on what they bring to the table.

The laws are what creates the false economy of the sexes by not allowing them to be free.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 17:53

””””’It is good and right for men to want respect. It is good and right for men to demand that women not act like sluts, but it’s only fair that MEN reciprocate by not acting like sluts either. ””””’

It is good and right for both men and woman to be free and be able to do what they want with their resources. Someone will always hate the way someone else lives but shouldn’t be able to impose there way of life on that person.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 17:54

by ug laws. If they can convince them their way of life is better that would be diferent.

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Sean Macloud February 5, 2010 at 17:59

The free market should decide what she gets. If that is an attitude that gets a guy to support her and her children then great if that attitude gets her nothing so be it. What is happening now is a woman acts how she wants and a man pays for her by being forced to. Woman should have the right to act like that and they should have the right to be alone as well and judged on what they bring to the table.

The laws are what creates the false economy of the sexes by not allowing them to be free.

Were the laws not created by your vaunted free market?

What part of democracy didn’t allow the prereqs of feminism? What part of the constitution failed that allowed this snowball to occur?

…Cognitive dissonance and conservative patriotism are the same.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 18:02

””””It is good and right for men to want respect. It is good and right for men to demand that women not act like sluts””””’

It is good and right for a man to want respect. It is good and right for a man to demand that a woman he stays with not act like a slut. Is is also his right to leave her if she does without oweing her shit.

It is good and right for a woman to want respect. It is good and right for a woman to demand that a man she stays with not act like a slut. Is is also her right to leave him if he does without oweing him shit.

It is also good and right for men and woman to come up with any conditions they want to in a relationship and have the freedom to agree to it or not.

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Sean Macloud February 5, 2010 at 18:12

It is good and right for both men and woman to be free and be able to do what they want with their resources. Someone will always hate the way someone else lives but shouldn’t be able to impose there way of life on that person.

But why didn’t that “self evident cosmic truth” that propelled many many men to die over the last 200 years take hold?

You can write it on paper all you want but if it doesn’t work it, doesn’t work.

Both libs and cons believe their ideals are more important that the facts.

Conservatives complain that liberalism is moral outrage over the facts. Well so is american conservatism. This is why liberalism thrives –the false dichotomy between libs and cons.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 18:13

””””’Amendment 8 – Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
”””””””””””””’

””””””””’1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.””””””””””””’

Equal protection. Excessive fines cruel and unusual punishment.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 18:19

””””””” Sean Macloud February 5, 2010 at 18:12
It is good and right for both men and woman to be free and be able to do what they want with their resources. Someone will always hate the way someone else lives but shouldn’t be able to impose there way of life on that person.

But why didn’t that “self evident cosmic truth” that propelled many many men to die over the last 200 years take hold?

You can write it on paper all you want but if it doesn’t work it, doesn’t work.

Both libs and cons believe their ideals are more important that the facts.

Conservatives complain that liberalism is moral outrage over the facts. Well so is american conservatism. This is why liberalism thrives –the false dichotomy between libs and cons.

””””””””
””””””But why didn’t that “self evident cosmic truth” that propelled many many men to die over the last 200 years take hold?
””””””
It has in many individual scenarios.

Interesting point but yea why to be individually free you must be individually prepared to die for your freedom.

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Sean Macloud February 5, 2010 at 18:22

It is good and right for a man to want respect. It is good and right for a man to demand that a woman he stays with not act like a slut. Is is also his right to leave her if she does without oweing her shit.

It is good and right for a woman to want respect. It is good and right for a woman to demand that a man she stays with not act like a slut. Is is also her right to leave him if he does without oweing him shit.

It is also good and right for men and woman to come up with any conditions they want to in a relationship and have the freedom to agree to it or not.

Again, that all kicks in because of what? The constitution”? Taxbreak?

How come those things didn’t already kick it in then?

————————
Conservatism is the embracing of the lofty liberal revolutionary extremism from a couple generations ago. Once that extremism becomes common wisdom, the conservatives embrace it and then resist the latest lofty liberal moralizing.

But the point is lib and con beliefs are all liberal lofty ideals that don’t fly in reality. Reality therefore needs to be shut out; 1) though head up ass stubborness[cons] which we label quaint or 2) through commissar censorship [libs].

Their adherents get a rush from the sanctimonious mortality of it all. It –lib and con lofty prescriptions which don’t wash– is also philosophy for the lazy.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 18:26

Constitution kind of sucks and open to interpretations. I guess why the founders fathers made the 2nd amendmant pretty solid.

”””””””””Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
”””””””””’

So in case of bs you can go out free anyway.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 18:28

but the preamble of ‘

”””””Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
”””””’

The sweet secure the blessing of liberty. Let it wash over your soul and enjoy the sensation of the connotation

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Sean Macloud February 5, 2010 at 18:48

The sweet secure the blessing of liberty. Let it wash over your soul and enjoy the sensation of the connotation

Balderdash.

Drunk redneck.

As I just said– presciently– in the post above his. Moralizing from the previous liberal extremism embraced by conservatives with out thinking, presented as lofty prescriptions without mechanism for sustainability or achievablity. Then stubborn head up ass dunceness will allow the adherent to ignore naturalist [read "immoral"] challenge. If he was liberal, censorship would allow adherent to ignore challenge of moral prescription. Also, already observed failure of moral prescription is ignored.

Cons and libs are the same. Humans.

Flawed, frail, stupid, frightened (and therefore delusional) humans.

Behold the beast man. How like a god.

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Gunslingergregi February 5, 2010 at 18:57

”””””’presented as lofty prescriptions without mechanism for sustainability or achievablity.”””””

Well the mechanism is live free or die.

Those who accept being fucked with are still excerising there freedom to be bitches.

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Scattered February 6, 2010 at 00:45

Gun is right, the problem I think is the delusion of this right/left duality, a continuum thats is without real freedom. Both sides are fighting over how we should be controlled, people simply need to get their head out this mindset.

Conservative/liberals aren’t promoting their ideals they fighting to force them.

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Globalman February 6, 2010 at 12:20

jfr February 5, 2010 at 15:13
“THANK YOU Globalman and Sean M for bringing your points to light. And don’t forget the Balfour Agreement of 1917.”
JFR, you are welcome. Yes, I am aware of the Balfour Agreement. I bet not many others are. I thought the original agreement was done in secret in 1916 but hey, splitting hairs.

Fabian February 5, 2010 at 16:38
“It may shock certain people, but many, many women agree that men are getting a raw deal nowadays.”
And what are the DOING? Nothing. I think we should tell any woman who will not sit on a jury to try women who commit crimes against men to fuck off. Any woman who does not do that I will put her feet in the fire of hypocrisy and humiliation by devstating logic, reason and evidence. ;-) Not to mention a few insults just to make it fun.

“We need a strong men’s movement in this country.”
I disagree. Men who want to exit the femnazi system have been given the keys, by me, right here. http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=225 It is up to them to use those keys. Quite literally it is like being in a jail cell and being handed the keys. If you like your jail cell because it’s all familiar, by all means stay. You want to be free? Use the keys. No-one is going to ‘free’ a man from ‘feminism’ and more than he can be freed from a jail vell. He has to free himself by walking out under his own steam. If he chooses not to do that? That is his choice.

Black&German February 5, 2010 at 17:19
“The hard-core Gamers want to sleep with so many women that the entire civilization comes crashing down, in order to rebuild it later”
Bullshit. They just want to get laid as much as possible. Men like me? I really don’t care what happens after I die. After all, I don’t have any children to worry about. I’d like to leave the world in the safe hands of free men. But I too am going to get laid just as much as I want and die a satisfied man on that front seeing how my wife was such a poor provider on that front.

“The traditionalists (and most of the women) want”
It is irrelevant what women want. They got what they asked for, ‘equal rights’, and men stepped back and let them have their opportunity to see what they would do with them. Women chose to abuse men with these ‘equal rights’. So if we deal with the Illuminati successfully women will be told what they can have and to be happy about it. Period.

Guys, the left/right paradigm is merely the bad guys giving you something to fight over….divide and conquer. Why fight when you can walk away?

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Harry February 6, 2010 at 12:24

“People like Harry say that there is a men’s rights movement, but somehow he is actually proud that there is no visible evidence of their efforts.”

Pardon?

“… somehow he is actually proud that there is no visible evidence of their efforts.”

LIAR

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Snark February 6, 2010 at 12:49

Yeah, come on, TFH.

That is the exact opposite of what Harry has been saying for a while now.

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