On Women as “Chattel”

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by Jack Donovan on January 31, 2010

A pal of mine poked a little fun at me the other night on the phone.

“So, do you still believe women should be chattel?”

He’s an independent-minded ally, and he likes to bust my balls when I shift into angry man mode.

The thing is that I’ve never said that I believe women should be treated like “chattel.”

That’s a feminist meme, characteristically distorted and hysterical, so I thought it might be worth addressing here on The Spearhead. I don’t think most of our readers or writers truly want to see women treated like “chattel.” But for attacking feminism, or suggesting that civilization works better when men and women take different roles, many have no doubt been accused of attempting  to subjugate women and  been likened to wannabe whip-cracking slave masters.

Women as ChattelIn some alternate feminist reality–in a galaxy far, far away from our own–men are as base and villainous as Jabba the Hut, and feminists are cold-but-comely princess Leias, heroically strangling him with the chains of patriarchy.

Yet, years after her triumph, Leia still can’t stop bitching about her moment in the sun as a sex object. Her subjugation turned out to be her defining role. Without the gold bikini, she’s no hero–just another cranky, boozy old broad.

The problem with the whole enslaved women song and dance is that women have rarely been enslaved in the Western World. The harem is a foreign idea, a playboy fantasy. Even Hugh Hefner’s women come and go of their own free will.

Western men have been, for the most part, fairly monogamous.

Sure, women have been barred from participating in business or politics. But they were also forbidden to do the most dangerous jobs; men were the ones literally dying for work. And women weren’t exactly kept in shackles in the basement. They had keystone roles as wives and mothers. While it is true that some men have been cruel and abused their wives for sport, I have a hard time believing that has historically been the norm in Western households. It was certainly not the ideal. There’s too much literature to suggest otherwise.

Women were not treated like men, but that does not mean they were slaves. To say they were is a lie in almost every case.

First Wave Feminism was not about releasing women from bondage, it was about gaining political power. And Second Wave feminists were hardly “slaves.”  Second Wave feminists were primarily educated, middle class white and Jewish women who thought the role of being a good mother in a luxurious, suburban home sounded terribly boring.

So feminists piggy-backed onto the civil rights movement, and borrowed a lot of rhetoric from African-Americans–who could, however, legitimately make the claim that their people were “chattel” in recent Western history.

My job takes me into the homes of a lot of older couples. The other day, I came across a charming man and woman–probably both in their seventies. They were around to see the rise of Second Wave feminism, but it didn’t seem to have poisoned their relationship. They were of the old school, like both sets of my grandparents, who loyally took care of each other until the ends of their lives.

The older fellow bragged to me about how he used to be able to lift things like I could. His wife came in, and together,  they both discussed the best possible place to put the product I was installing. They clearly had different roles, but they also seemed to be very much in love, and treated each other with deferential respect. His wife was a woman, not his slave. Not chattel.

This often–though not always–seems to be the case with couples of that age. Polite, respectful, dignified, civilized. These people are fugitives from a better time.

In those moments, I wonder how men and women of my “liberated,” entitled, latte-guzzling generation will behave when they get to be that age. Will the women even have husbands? Will the men have wives? Will they complement and take care of each other, or will they just bitch at each other as “equals” engaged in a constant struggle for power?

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Paul January 31, 2010 at 06:39

I am not sure I would place women as high as being a chattel.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 06:58

I am not sure I would place women as high as being a chattel.

Yeah, that would imply that it’s possible to domesticate a woman.

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Ragnar January 31, 2010 at 07:25

A pal of mine poked a little fun at me the other night on the phone.

“So, do you still believe women should be chattel?”

Yeah, I’ve got friends like that too – ignoramus manginiamus. <_<

Women clearly are the female part of the primate Homo Sapiens, but males took a step further and created civilisation with a set of rules to regulate male interaction.
Women are not part of this and thus 'outside' the rules!

At the same time it is in the interest of men to treat women well. That doesn't mean that it is anyone elses bussiness how a man treat his woman, least of all other women.

This is the lesson men need to relearn.

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Ken Cruce January 31, 2010 at 08:19

I stumbled onto your website yesterday and I’ve been reading articles and comments. Very interesting and worthwhile observations. But, I believe you are giving women far too much credit. Much of the financing and push for “equality” is coming from men — the elite one percent who are using women to hold down wages, much like big and small businesses want to see illegal aliens continue to stream across the border.

In private industry, women are scabs, union busters, who are easier to control and are far less likely than men to challenge decisions from the executive suites. This produces short term profits, but here we have the seeds of a potential economic collapse of the USA. The job losses in the past several years have been mostly in manufacturing, construction and engineering. The decline in manufacturing is most critical because there are fewer and fewer products to export, thereby increasing the trade imbalance.

A significant majority of jobs in government, healthcare and services are held by women. Which is to say that women largely are not producing anything to sell to other countries. Those container ships bringing loads of crap from China are sent back empty.

I’m an American, but I’ve been living in Europe and Latin America for the past dozen years. It has been a great learning experience. I don’t want to dash the hopes of single American men who have dreams of finding the perfect foreign wife, but in the absence of cultural and family pressures to behave differently, women are about the same all over the world. However, the women in some countries are definitely better than others — particularly better than American women.

Several years ago, I was at a sidewalk cafe in France, having lunch with my French girlfriend. I knew her to be an ardent socialist, concerned about race relations and equality for women. We were watching people walk by, which is the main purpose of going to a sidewalk cafe.

A young couple strolled by. The husband was white French, and the wife was African, probably from the Ivory Coast or some other French-speaking former colony. The couple had a young child in a stroller.

As the couple passed by, my girlfriend bristled and said that she hated Africans. I told her that I was quite surprised by her comment, considering her views about race. She said she didn’t hate African men, just the women.

Well, why is that? She explained that the African women are taking all the good French men because the French men want a wife and family, and the African women are willing to have babies, be a housewife, and greet the husband when he comes home from work.

That sounds fairly good, I said.

Her anger then turned toward me. No sex for a week.

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Avenger January 31, 2010 at 08:20

Chattel actually just refers to property (other than real estate) and females were never chattel at any time in history. If females were chattel then a man could buy one from her father but in reality the opposite was true.If a father wanted to get one of his annoying unmarried spinster daughters off his hands he would have to pay a husband a dowry.And “arranged” marriages were not what most people believe they were with a female being forced to mary a particular man. What usually happened is a number of men were introduced to a female and she chose one.The female was still choosing who she wanted.Females want husbands anyway so where’s the harm? You can even hear little girls talking about getting a husband or some prince Charming type while you never hear of little boys talking about getting a wife or marrying.

It’s true that slaves were at one time considered property or chattels but since that applied to both male and females slaves it was equal.

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Avenger January 31, 2010 at 08:33

Ken: Her anger then turned toward me. No sex for a week?

Did you inform this girlfriend that her duty as a gf was to have sex with you?

Did you show her the door if she didn’t agree with you that that was her obligation? If more men would do this we would have a better behaved female population. And btw, I’ve never known a female who took the door after a man has laid the law down to her.

Incidently, while you were sitting in the cafe watching the passersby did you notice that half of them were female? There is no shortage of pussy in the world and it is a quite common commodity.Just let the gf know in a subtle way that she can be replaced and she’ll be on her best behaviour. And never worry or even consider a female’s feelings. She’d drop you in a second with no regard to your feelings if she found something better.

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Athol Kay: Married Man Sex Life January 31, 2010 at 09:02

I think we all forget that at the time “women as chattel” came into effect, this was actually a social improvement over what was going on before then. Namely random male on male violence over sexual access to women and the women essentially going to the victor of such violence. I think that was to the benefit of both men and women.

So if I get the jones for the wife of the guy next door, I don’t weigh up the risks of mortal combat with him, because he has a right to her. I don’t wander around armed 24/7 because I’m not worried about being taken down by him, because I have a right to my wife. Then me and the guy next door build civilization together while the women raise the kids that all grow up with two parents. It works as a system.

Now days obviously women are not legal chattel. Nor are they second class citizens. Violence for sexual access is a crime every which way. Marriage means almost nothing as enough of a % of men will absolutely move in on your wife that constant vgilance is required. Or the women have no respect or need for the husbands efforts to sustain the marriage when she can just break the relationship and force continuing payment via the courts.

Monogamy and “women as chattel” are linked agreements between men. Women/modern society have voided those agreements. Welcome to the modern moral flux.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 09:05

No sex for a week.

Hahahaha. For real?

I love it when women try to pull that one on me. “No sex? Well, we’ll just see about that,bitch.”

Ladies, we’re going to get laid, it will either be you we’re fucking or it will be someone else, take your pick because we don’t give a shit one way or the other. All pussies are wet and warm, there’s nothing special about yours.

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Toby January 31, 2010 at 09:39

Men are expected to treat women with deferential respect no matter how unlady-like her behavior is. It is men who are disposable chattel and taken for granted.

A woman can reap the benefits of being born a female no matter how vindictive, unpleasant or out of control her behavior and attitude is. In contrast, a man has to prove, through his actions and character, that he is worthy of being treated like a man.

Since honest, upstanding family men are often taken advantage of by both women and the feminist laws/courts, it’s less costly to use women as sex objects and to be as dishonest and thuggish as you feel comfortable being.

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mgtow January 31, 2010 at 09:44

There are still men out there who believe in the gender equality myth and the benevolence of the feminist movement. We can call them many things, the one most suitable and a favorite of mine is ‘mangina’.

Mangina pal? It’s time to get a new friend. Or at the very least avoid discussion of ‘women’s rights’ with these brainwashed buffoons. Do not attempt to ‘convert’ them. Their kind needs to get personally burnt at least once to learn the hard way.

Tom Leykis was divorced and married four times before he opened his eyes.

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Jack Donovan January 31, 2010 at 10:07

For the record, I wouldn’t consider the pal in question a mangina, and the essay was not so much about his views as inspired by a popular feminist trope he repeated for comic effect.

Ragnar January 31, 2010 at 10:11

@ Jack Donovan
Sorry, I wasn’t about to denigrate your friend, just reflected that I have friends/acquaintancees who clearly are manginas.

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 10:17

Avenger,

Did you inform this girlfriend that her duty as a gf was to have sex with you?

Duty as a girlfriend? A wife I can understand, but not really a girlfriend….But hey something tells me that Ken can do better lol ;)

Ragnar,

That doesn’t mean that it is anyone elses bussiness how a man treat his woman, least of all other women.

As long as he treats her well and vice versa. Nothing illegal obviously.

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zimmy January 31, 2010 at 10:19

Her anger then turned toward me. No sex for a week.

Turn the tables on her. I’ve had that scenario and I let the woman in question know that it was “no big deal” and indeed, I had occasion to be upset with her and avoided her amorous incantations for a couple of weeks. This shocked her and I guarantee it will do so with any woman.

The one thing women cannot stand is being ignored; in any capacity.

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by_the_sword January 31, 2010 at 10:28

Ken Cruce January 31, 2010 at 08:19
Her anger then turned toward me. No sex for a week.

Dude, read this:

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by_the_sword January 31, 2010 at 10:30

Don’t know why my link didn’t post:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

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Ragnar January 31, 2010 at 10:30

Renee January 31, 2010 at 10:17

Ragnar,

That doesn’t mean that it is anyone elses bussiness how a man treat his woman, least of all other women.

As long as he treats her well and vice versa. Nothing illegal obviously.

We disagree about your concept of ‘illegal’.
To build a fuctional society we can’t have any government on top of a man in his private affairs.
The government a man bows to only secures the law between himself and other men.

A lot of you guys are way too ‘democratic’ (for lack of better word) in your way of thinking.

Rebuilding a good society will probably be through a number of bruised men and women, if we can learn anything from history.

Culture is about the way we treat each other – not the law.

Well, I’m not american . . .

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Toby January 31, 2010 at 10:31

@Renee REALITY CHECK

Did you inform this girlfriend that her duty as a gf was to have sex with you?

Of course a girlfriend is there to service a man’s sexual NEEDS. Why do you think men even expand the energy to find and maintain girlfriends, effort and time that they would much rather use developing genuine friendships with other men.

Do you think we have girlfriends for companionship and deep, thought-provoking superfragilisticexpialidocious conversation ? Please tell me how your friend is sleeping with your sister’s ex-boyfriend and how you don’t want her to find out. I am sooooooooo fascinated /sarcasm/. What a clueless bitch LOL

As long as he treats her well and vice versa. Nothing illegal obviously.

Women DO NOT like to be treated well. They are self-loathing for the most part and this is patently obvious by observing their ideal choice of partner.

ps: the sexes have very little in common with each other besides the NEED for sexual relations. If it weren’t for their sexual needs, most men wouldn’t even talk to a young hottie and when it comes to older women ,they probably wouldn’t even acknowledge your existence with eye contact.

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 10:57

Toby,
Oh now we resort to namecalling. How mature of you. It’s funny. Poster here get on feminists/visitors/people who disagree with you for calling guys here names without provocation, but you have no problem doing the same.

And anyway, isn’t that borderline shaming language?

Anyway, perhaps I’m looking at it from too much of a Christian point of view. I was simply reminded of a post over at Vox Popoli that basically said that girlfriends weren’t obligated to have sex with their boyfriends like wives were to their husbands. But then again, he’s a Christian too so…..

I’ll just leave this alone. Agree to disagree.

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Toby January 31, 2010 at 11:10

@Renee

You don’t know the definition of “shaming language” Nowhere did I call you a whore/slut, nowhere did I say you have tiny tits or ask you why you hate your mother. I just stated some OBVIOUS facts because I didn’t want to confuse you too much, simple points like:

-Men do not have girlfriends for stimulating conversation

-Women do not like men who treat them as equal, in fact, they crave men who have higher status and social value than their own. They want a man who is “better” than them – a leader/authority of women.

I’m pretty sure you left out the part where you understand what shaming language is – being told you are wrong and then explaining to you why does not equal shaming language you clueless bitch LOL

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MarkyMark January 31, 2010 at 11:16

ps: the sexes have very little in common with each other besides the NEED for sexual relations. If it weren’t for their sexual needs, most men wouldn’t even talk to a young hottie and when it comes to older women ,they probably wouldn’t even acknowledge your existence with eye contact.

What Toby said! Or, to put it more bluntly, if women didn’t have pussy to offer men, we’d have KILLED them millennia ago…

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 11:16

I’m pretty sure you left out the part where you understand what shaming language is – being told you are wrong and then explaining to you why does not equal shaming language you clueless bitch LOL

Wouldn’t work,anyway, most women have no sense of shame about anything.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 11:17

We want a man who is a leader/authority…of other men., you clueless bitch.

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Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 11:21

I was simply reminded of a post over at Vox Popoli that basically said that girlfriends weren’t obligated to have sex with their boyfriends

No, they’re not obligated to have sex with me- the same way I’m not obligated to ever talk to them ever again. If I date a female and she doesn’t have sex with me by the 3rd or fourth date I just simply never call here again and move on to a reasonable female who will- same goes if they stop having sex with me.

I actually met this woman at work who wanted to go out with me, but then around the 2nd date told me she wasn’t going to sleep with me. Then she had the nerve 5 minutes later (while I was busy making my exit plans) to ask me to build her a fence for her backyard. I told her she was an idiot and that worse, she was insulting my intelligence. I walked out and never spoke to her again… and we worked together- Ouch. One more reason to never date women you work with.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 11:23

We want a man who is a leader/authority…of other men.,

For once,a woman weighs in here with something resembling sense.

This is,in fact,the truth. However, such a man is automatically granted authority over the women around him as well, basically a blank check to use and abuse said women to his heart’s content.

But the ability to command other men is the distinguishing factor that elevates him to that status.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 11:30

Because a women (in the sense of partner of the “leader man”), has another point of view, another resources, to get her man to do what she wants.

No doubt Patriarchy has been supported by many men…and many women.

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Toby January 31, 2010 at 11:33

@Lara

I disagree with Mark and Lara

We want a man who is a leader/authority…of other men., you clueless bitch.

That’s hogwash. If it were true every man would want to lead other men and no man would want to listen, follow or submit to other men. Nothing would ever get done on account of constant power struggles on a scale that we cannot even imagine.

Only some men can be leaders of other men, but each man must be leaders/authority of his woman. Most women don’t care if a man is a follower or a leader of other men, she only requires a man to be her personal authority/leader because women are directionless and dysfunctional without the guiding hand of her male partner. She is attracted to the order in her directionless life that results from your male authority according to this website:

http//www.manhood101.com

Women are directionless and disorderly without male authority.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 11:35

Because a women (in the sense of partner of the “leader man”), has another point of view, another resources, to get her man to do what she wants.

Men, pay close attention to the bolded part. You see, even if you are a leader of men, you are nothing but a resource to women. When she looks at you she assesses you thus: accomplishment=$$$$

Your achievements are an asset to be exploited. This is why it is unwise for any man with money or power to marry a woman. You will be liquidated.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 11:41

I disagree with Mark and Lara

Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. She happens to be right in this case. A man who is a leader of men provides security against lesser males for the woman, and lots of resources, usually robbed from other men.

Security+power+money= gina tingles.

That’s hogwash. If it were true every man would want to lead other men and no man would want to listen, follow or submit to other men. Nothing would ever get done on account of constant power struggles on a scale that we cannot even imagine.

That’s pretty much the way things work, people only submit to the authority of others when that person could beat their ass or otherwise punish them, or when they’re trying to learn things from that person, thus becoming an authority themselves, or in return for a steady salary.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 11:43

Toby:
You don´t have a clue about a woman´s mind.
She wants him to be the leader of the group…and she wants to be the leader of her man…but in the shadow.
Remember what all mothers told their daughters in 50´ 60´…
Let him believe he is the boss…but get him to do what you really want,,,,
The game is perfect, get their own way without the responsability or their acts…
A good topic: the chauvinist women.

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greyghost January 31, 2010 at 11:46

Renee
The only reason to even have a girlfriend is sex. Most women know this. The most disposable a woman is the more sexual she is. Ask any man on this blog that is married had a child with a woman or both. Before the above mentioned events it was oral sex,public sex ,anal sex experiments in bondage,and for the serious macks threesomes. There was also the morning hard-on sex and the nooner sex.
Why do you think hard core femminist woman are all pissed off and hateful of men. They have chosen like the stupid asses they are femminism. femminism means no responsibilty at any level for anything. (notice the disdain oh Kens girl friend had of an african woman that took on the small responsibility she had to her marriage) With that as the base line the only value a woman has is sex. While young and sexually atractive they spend that time shitting on men. As they age they lose the visual sexual attractiveness and then have to rely on there femininity that they don’t have. They become lonely and bitter femminist thinking men are fucked up for not wanting them. If not lonely they will be with a passive mangina sap that thinks he is going to win her over with compassion and patience

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Welmer January 31, 2010 at 11:46

Because a women (in the sense of partner of the “leader man”), has another point of view, another resources, to get her man to do what she wants.

No doubt Patriarchy has been supported by many men…and many women.

-Lara

I’m sure that’s true in theory, but men can sniff out a guy whose wife pulls the strings pretty quickly, and that can undermine leadership ability quite a bit.

A woman who wants to be with a true leader has to be pretty smart and exercise a lot of restraint, or she will drag her man down. Not just any pretty face will do.

However, altogether too many women think of themselves as queens today, when the truth is that there are no more queens than there are kings. A truly superior woman is a very rare gem indeed.

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Overseer January 31, 2010 at 11:52

Make no mistake, guys. Anything with a vagina is either a slaveowner or a potential slaveowner. If any woman tries to make you agree to anything not of your own free will, she is trying to make you a beast of burden.

The “woman as chattel” femi-myth is yet another case of projection by the parasitic gender.

That doesn’t mean you must never do things for her but it does mean you must do it on your terms.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 11:53

Welmer:
Women aren´t better than men nor men are better than women; we have adapted to circumstances, that´s all. What is true and I can assure, is that a woman´s survival depended on her ability to “manupulate” her man; it wan´t her fault, but her only way.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 11:54

“manipulate” not manupulate.

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Toby January 31, 2010 at 11:55

@Lara

It’s obvious you have zero understanding of what your own attraction switches are as a woman. How sad/pathetic is it that the men over at http://www.manhood101.com/ know more about female attraction and sexuality than most clueless woman like you do.

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 11:56

Toby,

I’m pretty sure you left out the part where you understand what shaming language is – being told you are wrong and then explaining to you why does not equal shaming language you clueless bitch LOL

And this shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about lol. Who says that being called a bitch isn’t shaming language? I wasn’t talking about you disagreeing with me, I was talking about being called a bitch. I thought you would’ve known that. Oh well, I expected too much.

I remember Sarah calling a male poster bitter/can’t get laid and someone else saying that was what she did was shaming language. How is this any different than calling me a bitch. Especially since I was mature enough not to call you any names.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 11:58

She wants him to be the leader of the group…and she wants to be the leader of her man…but in the shadow…..The game is perfect, get their own way without the responsability or their acts…

Bingo. Note,if you will, the taste of vomit that arises in your mouth while reading these words, and that queasy feeling in the pit of your stomach. That is the taste of truth. Usually the more hideous something is, the more truthful.

Even though your mind screams that it CAN’T be true, believe it,for it istrue.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 12:00

Toby:
It your bussiness if you don´t agree with me, but don´t tell me lessons on woman psicology, of course a woman feels attracted to a leaderof the group-poweful-man; but the reasons are to share his position and status, and then get of him to do what she wants, no doubt. You can call it manipulation if you want, but it has been an adaptation to circumstances.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 12:02

Voila.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 12:03

See my link for the definition of “shaming language” and why hers was shaming and Toby’s wasn’t.

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Lara January 31, 2010 at 12:06

Mark:
Life is cruel…and beautiful.
Every creatures in the world adaptates to what they have and how life is, and woman and men are part of this.
This is not that awful, it is only the way women were told in the past they must behave.Today´s chauvinist woman act in thevery same way. You can believe it or not, it is your choice.

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Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 12:07

I’m sorry guys- I read Roissy in DC and I follow all this writing about this ‘Alpha’ thing & I get it- but I’m prob a lot older than a lot of you guys on here & I can tell you from experience that ‘being a leader of men’ does not equal having sex with a lot of hot women.

There are two different guys at my firm that are TOTAL ‘alphas’- and they are our bosses (of course) – the ‘TAKE CHARGE KIND OF GUYS.’ Which personally I’ve always found to be in it’s own way kind of gay- but there you go- nobody stands up to them and they always have the final word- not because they’re smarter or have any real talents, but because they are always loud and bossing everyone around and really have a lot more energy and interest in the whole ‘ social hierarchy’ thing and will always one up any other guy. They tell me what to do and I do it and I never question them.

But having said all that- one of these guys is married to a doggy BEAST, while the other one is going out with a mediocre alchey chick. In fact I’ve always noticed that these type of ‘TAKE CHARGE KIND OF GUYS’ always have just one kind-of not so great woman. I’ve always been the one that has always gotten the hot chicks – and guys like my bosses are always mystified and in awe- why I get the prettier girls- I don’t even know myself really- I just walk up and say, ‘hey.” I’m even over 40 and my gf right now is only 27!

I’m just real smooth – and just kind of hang out with them at first and then it turns to sex. I will say this though- I’m no good at marriage- so maybe that’s the real trade off.

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 12:13

Mark,

See my link for the definition of “shaming language” and why hers was shaming and Toby’s wasn’t.

When you say “her” who are you talking about, me? Because I never used any shaming language in this thread. As for the part about maturity, it was towards him using name-calling.

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Welmer January 31, 2010 at 12:15

Welmer:
Women aren´t better than men nor men are better than women; we have adapted to circumstances, that´s all. What is true and I can assure, is that a woman´s survival depended on her ability to “manupulate” her man; it wan´t her fault, but her only way.

-Lara

I think in the old days that might not have been so bad, because women knew that getting a man to do what she wanted also entailed taking care of him. It was her job to keep him satisfied and comfortable as well as encourage him to do well in the world. This concept is totally lost. Women now expect to be taken care of themselves, and have no idea how to take care of a man. Add children to the mix, and the guy is far worse off than he would be if single.

I’ve found that without a woman around my life is much, much easier. The only issue for me is that I get a bit lonely at times, but my children cure that, and the rest of the time I can work without being forced to shop, cook and fix things for someone else. I don’t know how it is in Spain, but most American women really don’t do anything. Even the stay at home moms are worthless for the most part. I’ve got a few on my street, and not one single one of them takes care of the kids by herself — they all leave them with their mothers or at daycare. And cooking? lol. Most young American women are so bad at cooking that most guys would rather cook dinner themselves than choke down the garbage they serve.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 12:15

But having said all that- one of these guys is married to a doggy BEAST, while the other one is going out with a mediocre alchey chick. In fact I’ve always noticed that these type of ‘TAKE CHARGE KIND OF GUYS’ always have just one kind-of not so great woman

You’re misinterpreting me,my friend, I’m not talking about the kind of guy who has a position of authority at a job, although sometimes those guys get action, I’m talking about a natural leader, an extroverted person who effortlessly walks into a room,any room, and basically takes over, not because they are bossy, but because they have charisma.

Think Charles Manson, not your boss. Look at how the Manson Family was composed primarily of women, but with a small circle of men, of which Manson was the leader.

That’s what I’m talking about.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 12:18

When you say “her” who are you talking about, me?

\/ No, I was talking about this \/

I remember Sarah calling a male poster bitter/can’t get laid and someone else saying that was what she did was shaming language.

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GrimmNoir January 31, 2010 at 12:18

MarkyMark said:

“if women didn’t have pussy to offer men, we’d have KILLED them millennia ago…”

And no one knows this better than women….

Why do you think the woman on the subway acts all righteously indignant when some random dude (who probably doesn’t even acknowledge her existence) sits next to her?

Think about it.

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Mark January 31, 2010 at 12:27

Why do you think the woman on the subway acts all righteously indignant when some random dude (who probably doesn’t even acknowledge her existence) sits next to her?

Think about it.

That’s an interesting idea.

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piercedhead January 31, 2010 at 13:12

I thought the “women as chattel” idea was simply a legal mechanism for making a man accountable for his wife’s actions – in the same way he is answerable to the law for his dog or his cattle. In no other way is she really chattel – she can’t be bought or sold, and as we know, women were shown extra respect in society, not less.

And technically, that would mean “wife as chattel” rather than “women as chattel”, and yes, it is still part of the legal code in many countries. Married men are still often held as guarantors for their wives’ debts (and not vice versa), and maintenance/alimony orders are effectively legal judgments holding a man accountable for his (ex) wife.

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Nutz January 31, 2010 at 13:49

“So, do you still believe women should be chattel?”

Reminds me of classic “When was the last time you beat your wife?” logical fallacy. Sadly it does a good job of creating prejudices in the minds of observers.

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fedrz January 31, 2010 at 13:54

A woman’s sexuality and the products thereof (Children) become “owned” by the husband in the economic contract of marriage, which is based upon property rights.

This is why a husband “gives his name” to the wife and also to the children of marriage, but not to any bastard children. A woman who is unmarried owns her own sexuality and any children produced out of wedlock are her property, not his.

Also, in marriage, if a woman wanted to end her marriage and divorce her husband, she must leave any children produced during the marriage under the custody of the husband, because he “paid” for them and the children of marriage were his property. If the child was young, the mother had to turn over custody to the husband at around the age of 6 or 7, so that the husband could educate the child. But, at all times, the children of marriage were his.

If there is to be marriage at all again in the future, it must return to this model, or else, no marriage nor male involvement with families at all. You’re on your own ladies! Have fun!

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Nutz January 31, 2010 at 14:06

GrimmNoir

MarkyMark said:

“if women didn’t have pussy to offer men, we’d have KILLED them millennia ago…”

And no one knows this better than women….

Why do you think the woman on the subway acts all righteously indignant when some random dude (who probably doesn’t even acknowledge her existence) sits next to her?

Think about it.

Is this in reference to a specific incident? I can’t think of any news articles about a woman on a subway getting her panties in a twist just because a random xy sat next to her.

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Globalman January 31, 2010 at 14:07

That photo of her in the article just shows you one more reason why NEVER to marry. She was hot when she was young but years of drug abuse and craziness…because, you know, she had such a tough life, left her bloated like the goodyear blimp. Who would want to wake up and look at that blimp in the morning? Not me. That’s for damn sure.

Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 11:21
“If I date a female and she doesn’t have sex with me by the 3rd or fourth date I just simply never call here again”

3rd date? WTF? I usually get laid before the FIRST date!!! If a woman wants a FIRST date from me she is going to have sex with me when she meets me. If she is not willing to have sex with me when she walks up to me then what the fuck is she doing talking to me? Women in Germany know. You approach a man and start hitting on him you had better be prepared to follow through. If you don’t you are never going to hear from him again. The next woman WILL follow through.

I rarely pay for a meal before the first time I have sex with a woman. What would I want to do that for? That’s for crazy western women you meet on match.co.uk. After my ex I had a few dinners I paid for with women who turned out to be really crazy! And they were the ones who made it through the screening!!!

As far as ‘women as chattel’? For the longest time I thought one possible ‘solution’ to the ‘women problem’ was contracts that were binding to both parties that were relatively equal. That was when I still thought women were grown ups. Now I know women are children my answer is this. The ONLY way I would even consider allowing another woman into my house, no matter HOW HOT or WHAT SHE SAID, would be if she was prepared to sign a binding contract that transferred ALL her property to me as well as ALL her rights including her right to life. For all intents and purposes I would ‘own’ her. THEN I would be prepared to love her and labour for her to provide for her and to protect her. If she wants the kind of life I offer she can sign on the dotted line. If not, she can’t come in. Period. And no, I would not be monogomous. That’s for brain washed down trodden beta mangina losers like I used to be…LOL!!

I don’t think any woman is going to take that deal so I will blissfully unbothered by a nagging woman in my home ever again, it seems to me. And that is just fine by me. I can’t imagine how I put up with my wife for so long now I don’t have her around. I really can’t. I can walk around my apartment with no clothes on, watch movies late with the volume up loud enough to hear it! Have the heating on without being bothered about everyone else being too hot in bed. Really. Having a woman and children in the house sucks.

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adan flores January 31, 2010 at 14:42

Speaking as the firstborn son of a second marriage (meaning my parents were as old as everybody else’s grandparents) Mom and Dad remained madly in love until her death. Partnership-what a concept!

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Harry January 31, 2010 at 14:47

Debunking the notion that women were mere chattels of men is very important for MRAs, and it is necessary to be able to counter this notion effectively, because it seems to have been stuck firmly in the minds of most of the population – a notion that is very often used to justify the view that men have always treated women badly and that women are, therefore, quite justified in viewing men with hostility.

The truth, of course, is that men were put in charge of their women because they were deemed to be responsible for them and for their behaviour – in much the same way that the parents were deemed responsible for the behaviour of their children.

As for the ‘harems’ mentioned above; those women who served in harems had very high status and they were looked after exceedingly well compared to most women – which is why women were keen to be selected for harems.

Better a life in the harem of a wealthy man than a life having to fend for oneself.

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Welmer January 31, 2010 at 14:49

Speaking as the firstborn son of a second marriage (meaning my parents were as old as everybody else’s grandparents) Mom and Dad remained madly in love until her death. Partnership-what a concept!

-adan flores

Maybe there is hope! Either way, I’m still younger than half of the new fathers here in Seattle anyway, so I’ll bide my time.

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Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 14:54

3rd date? WTF? I usually get laid before the FIRST date!!! If a woman wants a FIRST date from me she is going to have sex with me when she meets me

N****** please. Tell it to your little boys who are naive enough to believe you.

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 15:20

3rd date? WTF? I usually get laid before the FIRST date!!! If a woman wants a FIRST date from me she is going to have sex with me when she meets me

And she’ll be the one called a slut right?

Athol Kay,

Monogamy and “women as chattel” are linked agreements between men.

Well, I would think that because it’s between men and women, it would be an argeement between men and women, but I see what you mean….I think

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 15:26

Piercedhead,

I thought the “women as chattel” idea was simply a legal mechanism for making a man accountable for his wife’s actions – in the same way he is answerable to the law for his dog or his cattle. In no other way is she really chattel – she can’t be bought or sold, and as we know, women were shown extra respect in society, not less.

And this is idea???

MarkyMark,

What Toby said! Or, to put it more bluntly, if women didn’t have pussy to offer men, we’d have KILLED them millennia ago…

There’s also the issue of, oh I don’t know, reproduction….

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Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 15:32

You’re misinterpreting me,my friend, I’m not talking about the kind of guy who has a position of authority at a job, although sometimes those guys get action, I’m talking about a natural leader, an extroverted person who effortlessly walks into a room,any room, and basically takes over, not because they are bossy, but because they have charisma.

Think Charles Manson, not your boss. Look at how the Manson Family was composed primarily of women, but with a small circle of men, of which Manson was the leader.

That’s what I’m talking about.

O…K…. I suppose Charles Manson is technically an ‘Alpha..’ But here we go again- it seems like the same problem on Roissy in DC- even the very definition of ‘Alpha’ has to be constantly redefined or written about enough to fill an unabridged dictionary.. why does it take so much effort to explain what it is?

Myself, I was dating/getting laid long before half of you were even born (I might even be your father if you were born in a certain region of the country- ha) and I’ve had far more success with women than most men I know- but as to why? Again, I’m not even sure.

In fact, I sound like the opposite of your mythical ‘Alpha’ and I certainly don’t claim to know some big secret or magic bullet and I’m certainly no blow hard/ chest pounding braggart about it or define myself as an ‘Apha. Leader Of Men.” That actually sounds kind of gay and like some kind of teenage fantasy from a comic book.

That’s what those guys at work are and those guys on Roissy- a bunch of blow hards- and one thing I do know for sure is that 98% of the time those kind of guys are full of shit. I’m not even a ‘man’s’ man – I don’t even like sports- I only have like two male friends and the other 98& of the time I with a woman.

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GrimmNoir January 31, 2010 at 15:38

I learned that if a woman is really interested in a man….

She’s going to want to fuck him as soon as possible.

And she’s not going to worry about wined and dined first.

*shrugs*

That’s what I learned.

THE HARD WAY of course.

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Anonymous January 31, 2010 at 16:37

Globalman said
“And no, I would not be monogomous. That’s for brain washed down trodden beta mangina losers like I used to be…LOL!!”

Would you let your wife smell another woman on you?

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Anonymous January 31, 2010 at 16:53

“I must say that I do not see how anyone can pretend that there is the same urgency in giving the ballot to women as to the negro. With us, the matter is of life and death, at least in fifteen states of the Union. When women, because they are women, are hunted down through the cities of New York and New Orleans; when they are dragged from their houses and hung upon lamp-posts; when their children are torn from their arms and their brains dashed out upon the pavement; when they are objects of insult and outrage at every turn; when they are in danger of having their homes burnt down over their heads; when their children are not allowed to enter schools; then they will have an urgency to obtain the ballot equal to our own.” – Frederick Douglass

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Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 17:11

Women may not have been slaves, but they were considered property. Today’s female points to that and says that because of this women were ‘abused.’ As usual, women do not have the mental capacity to think anything through. Who in their right mind would damage their own property? I protect & take good care of my property like everyone else.

Now a shrieking, nagging and threatening harpy like today’s average ‘female’ I would NOT want to protect- in fact after interacting with the vast majority of AW I wish they would be devoured by a pack of wolves or shot down by street thugs- so treacherous, confrontational, unaccountable and backstabbing and evil most of them are they would deserve it – so twisted by the Feminist mental illness. And I certainly wouldn’t lift a finger.

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 17:27

Perhaps it’s more like women not liking the idea of being considered property…..

I’m sure men don’t like to be considered pack-mules or whatever men were referred to under that link Fedrz provided (to that No-Ma’am site).

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fedrz January 31, 2010 at 17:41

Men are considered the property of women and children today.

What do you think they get sued for in court during divorce?

Their labour. The other half of the Chattel argument.

And, children are “owned.” If your children don’t belong to you, then who do they belong to? The Village? Does that mean I can take your kid and put him over my knee if he disobeys me, a stranger in the street? Who do children “belong” to, if not to their parents?

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Renee January 31, 2010 at 17:46

So what….property and a child/person belonging to someone is synonymous?

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Eumaios January 31, 2010 at 17:52

Renee: “property and … belonging to someone is synonymous?”

Read again what you just wrote.

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fedrz January 31, 2010 at 17:59

So what….property and a child/person belonging to someone is synonymous?

Who does a child belong to? The State? Themselves? Or do they belong to their parents?

How can a woman sue a man for his future labours in divorce & childsupport, something intangible, if she doesn’t have a property right claim to it?

By the way, suing someone for labour – is forced labour – forced labour is Slavery. Were the slaves “owned?”

Men are still considered the Chattels of their families – otherwise, upon divorce, the would be free from all obligations to them, the same way that a woman is free from all obligations to her ex-husband upon divorce.

She doesn’t spread her legs for him 2.6 times a wk and give him a birthday blowjob anymore, does she? Who cleans his house and makes him sandwiches now?

She is freed from all obligations to him, but she still sues him for her rights to his labour – his labour is considered her property. Slavery.

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zimmy January 31, 2010 at 18:15

I’ve found that without a woman around my life is much, much easier.

ABSOLUTELY! After living with three different women for a total of 22 years, I was astounded at how free (and mellow) it felt to be unburdened by the ‘mood swings’; female carping, and beast of burden duties that I and virtually every other man deals with when living with women.
……feels like vacation……

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Reality2010 January 31, 2010 at 18:57

Perhaps it’s more like women not liking the idea of being considered property…..

I’m sure men don’t like to be considered pack-mules or whatever men were referred to under that link Fedrz provided (to that No-Ma’am site).

The only way a woman can even be ‘independent’ and free is when she is well, protected and provided for by a vast network of men and the government as usual or in the case of private freedom there is always a man in the background and paying for everything.

All that a woman does with her so called ‘freedom’ is spread venereal disease and financially exploit men. For women freedom is a joke- it’s not like they are actually going to do anything productive with it – or create or invent anything. Women have zero interests in anything besides fraud.

Men on the other hand desire freedom to actually work and produce and be truly independent.

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Justus January 31, 2010 at 22:21

Reality2010 points out something really interesting there. Women’s liberation is much different than the ideals that men hold for freedom. Rather than make their own path, invent, innovate, and be entrepreneurial, women’s push for freedom has simply traded the authority of husbands in for the authority of government.

Women unilaterally produce very little of anything scientific or technological. The most recent woman I can think of that made any kind of significant impact was Marie Curie, over 100 years ago, and she had significant help from her husband. It’s not a coincidence that the (arguably) most scientifically gifted woman in history was married to a man who was also ridiculously competent in the field.

That being said, Marie Curie did far more for civilization than most men have done. She was smart and capable, yet didn’t shirk from her duties of childbearing and home making (though she did use governesses to help raise her children, I’ll lump that in with private schools). She was a woman who GOT IT. We need more of these, though my particular woman is going to spend her time making sure our children aren’t taught by average women in public schools, we definitely don’t need that headache.

Women like Lara and Renee are the kinds of women we need to bring into the MRA fold. They seem to get it, and sometimes this circle seems like a really big sausage fest. One thing is true: we cannot create a lasting society without including females in the model, any more than civilization will continue if feminism continues.

All of us have shitty stories about shitty women that probably led all of us in one way or another to The Spearhead. Some are tired, some are angry, others are still hopeful. If you’ve given up on half of the human race, so be it, but stop pissing in everyone else’s Cheerios. You aren’t special, you don’t have some unique story, and if you can’t get over your past, you’re a useless role model for young men, and a perfect example of a man that feminism loves to use to discredit those of us who actually give a shit about the world burning to the ground.

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Gunslingergregi January 31, 2010 at 22:59

”””””’She was a woman who GOT IT. We need more of these, though my particular woman is going to spend her time making sure our children aren’t taught by average women in public schools, we definitely don’t need that headache.””””’

And what will you do if you fall into the 50 percent bracket in divorce if she is not feeling that anymore?

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Gunslingergregi January 31, 2010 at 23:04

””””””All of us have shitty stories about shitty women that probably led all of us in one way or another to The Spearhead. Some are tired, some are angry, others are still hopeful. If you’ve given up on half of the human race, so be it, but stop pissing in everyone else’s Cheerios. You aren’t special, you don’t have some unique story, and if you can’t get over your past, you’re a useless role model for young men, and a perfect example of a man that feminism loves to use to discredit those of us who actually give a shit about the world burning to the ground.”””””””

I don’t think it is as much giving up on half the human race just the woman who live under western laws to a large extent unless those woman can agree to a new set of criteria before marriage and just get married between you her and god.

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Gunslingergregi January 31, 2010 at 23:06

A lot of foreign woman not raised where things are forced to be equal but just are woman who live on the planet. Nothing to prove about they are equal to a man they strive to do the best they can at life and that is all.

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Justus January 31, 2010 at 23:56

Guns, I’m not tied to America, I’ll pick up and leave if it became a serious problem. My wife was raised in Poland, so she understands how ridiculous Western society has become. In fact, she’s the one who linked me to The Spearhead.

As for 50% of marriages ending in divorce… I’m quite sure I’ll manage better than half the population. I’ve seen a number of marriages of close friends and family, and usually you can predict the future divorcee 50% before the woman is fitted into her ironically white dress. My wife and I both knew exactly what we were getting into, what roles we would both play, and how it was going to be.

Personally, I think marriage laws are ridiculous, and there’s no need to formalize your relationship with a government document. That’s just inviting problems on yourself. However, I did decide to do so for the sake of my future children (#1 on the way) so that I would maintain some sort of legal custody in the manner of hospitalization or the like. I figure if I’m having kids, I’ll get screwed on child support, married or not, and worse comes to worst, my engineering expertise is easily transferable to anywhere in the world.

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Welmer February 1, 2010 at 00:01

However, I did decide to do so for the sake of my future children (#1 on the way) so that I would maintain some sort of legal custody in the manner of hospitalization or the like.

-Justus

There isn;t any legal distinction between legitimate and illegitimate fathers anymore — unless you’re overseas.

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Gunslingergregi February 1, 2010 at 00:20

””””””’My wife and I both knew exactly what we were getting into, what roles we would both play, and how it was going to be.
”””””
That is I would think half the battle. You talked about what you wanted before marriage. You understand the risk. The only other thing I think works would be to save a nice chunk of money before marriage or do some major accomplishment together as a team to see how you do under some pressure.

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Welmer February 1, 2010 at 00:21

My wife was raised in Poland, so she understands how ridiculous Western society has become. In fact, she’s the one who linked me to The Spearhead.

-Justus

You have a good wife!
:)

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Robert February 1, 2010 at 00:33

Lara January 31, 2010 at 11:43
Toby:
You don´t have a clue about a woman´s mind.
She wants him to be the leader of the group…and she wants to be the leader of her man…but in the shadow.
Remember what all mothers told their daughters in 50´ 60´…
Let him believe he is the boss…but get him to do what you really want,,,,
The game is perfect, get their own way without the responsability or their acts…
A good topic: the chauvinist women.

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Hmmmmm, interesting.

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Robert February 1, 2010 at 00:41

This is the influence of many young women and girls today;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQa7SvVCdZk

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Robert February 1, 2010 at 01:12

Lara January 31, 2010 at 12:00
Toby:
It your bussiness if you don´t agree with me, but don´t tell me lessons on woman psicology, of course a woman feels attracted to a leaderof the group-poweful-man; but the reasons are to share his position and status, and then get of him to do what she wants, no doubt. You can call it manipulation if you want, but it has been an adaptation to circumstances.

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I think it is a bit of both, manipulation and adaptation but, there are ambitious women out there who want wealth, power, status and almost everything that comes with these things. Afterward, the man is considered disposable.

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Robert February 1, 2010 at 01:25

Lara January 31, 2010 at 12:06
Mark:
Life is cruel…and beautiful.

True.

Every creatures in the world adaptates to what they have and how life is, and woman and men are part of this.

True

This is not that awful, it is only the way women were told in the past they must behave.

By both of their parents as well as the society they lived in. There were also parental/societal standards governing men in silmilar fashion.

Today´s chauvinist woman act in thevery same way. You can believe it or not, it is your choice.

” Today´s chauvinist woman act in thevery same way ”

True but they have yet to be taken to task for their chauvanism which affects how men see women. If most of the women a man has had to deal with/endure are chauvinists, how does this affect the way he views all women? He will most likely view all woman as chauvinists. Feminist were wrong to apply chauvanism to men while they were acting on their own chauvanistic mindsets.

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Robert February 1, 2010 at 02:23

Justus January 31, 2010 at 22:21
“Reality2010 points out something really interesting there. Women’s liberation is much different than the ideals that men hold for freedom. Rather than make their own path, invent, innovate, and be entrepreneurial, women’s push for freedom has simply traded the authority of husbands in for the authority of government.”

Revelation 17 ?

Perhaps Fedrz might see where I could go with this.

“Women like Lara and Renee are the kinds of women we need to bring into the MRA fold. They seem to get it, and sometimes this circle seems like a really big sausage fest. One thing is true: we cannot create a lasting society without including females in the model, any more than civilization will continue if feminism continues. ”

For me it has been no secret that there are women who are fed up with feminism and have not only witnessed the harm it has and is causing men but, also how it has betrayed and harmed women as well.

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Mark February 1, 2010 at 02:41

“Women like Lara and Renee are the kinds of women we need to bring into the MRA fold. They seem to get it, and sometimes this circle seems like a really big sausage fest. One thing is true: we cannot create a lasting society without including females in the model, any more than civilization will continue if feminism continues.”

Huh? No. FUCK no.

Renee and Lara are the exact opposite of the type of women you would want in the MRA fold. Neither of them give a fuck about you, they’re just here to “spy on the enemy”,as it were. If they saw us receiving anywhere near the amount of rights we need to be on an even footing with females legally they would throw a wrench in the gears
as fast as possible.

The kind of women we need are second wives and homemakers, because those types of women depend on men to survive and can’t afford PERSONALLY for “their man” to get screwed.

No woman gives a GOD DAMN about men’s rights, unless they will PERSONALLY be harmed by a man losing his rights. That goes for these bitches’ fathers and brothers too. Hell, they would castrate their own SONS if they thought it would score them points with “the sisterhood”.

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ricpic February 1, 2010 at 03:30

A basic fact that many men forget but that is a constant for women is the size disparity which makes every man, in the woman’s eyes, potentially physically threatening. I think a great deal of the anger directed by women toward men is simply the flip side of the fear that is always there, if largely suppressed. Obvious? Maybe so. But that doesn’t make it any the less true.

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Mark February 1, 2010 at 03:49

I think a great deal of the anger directed by women toward men is simply the flip side of the fear that is always there, if largely suppressed.

Possibly. But that would only partially explain it. You are forgetting that smaller men also find larger men potentially physically threatening, but display nowhere near the same level of vitriol toward more burly guys as women do toward men.

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 13:01

There is blatant disregard for women as fully functioning humans on this thread. The idea that the only reason I LIKE my wife is because she offers me sex, that older women have nothing to offer men, and that the only thing women have to offer men is sex showing complete and utter disregard.

I came onto this site being interested in the men’s movement. I’ve been through the wringer with my ex, been in the trenches so to speak.

But I also have a wonderful life PARTER for the last 10 years who is truly my best friend. Long after my libido is gone I’m sure I will enjoy many discussions and experiences with her. I also count many women as good friends of mine, in fact my favorite golf partner is a women.

I feel a sadness for many of the men here, money has allowed me to have many joyous occasions that would not have been offered without. But frankly money does not buy love and companionship, or the greatest gift of all; that sense of being able to finish each others sentences.

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Welmer February 1, 2010 at 13:07

There is blatant disregard for women as fully functioning humans on this thread. The idea that the only reason I LIKE my wife is because she offers me sex, that older women have nothing to offer men, and that the only thing women have to offer men is sex showing complete and utter disregard.

-Kave

Kave, what did you find that helped you get over the disaster that was your first wife? Sometimes I think we need a post that could help men rebuild a functional life after a failed relationship. Currently, few men get that from anyone besides feminists, who are the last people hurt/dejected men should listen to.

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Renee February 1, 2010 at 13:24

Kave, THANKYOU.

I mean, the ONLY reasons men and women interact with each other is because of sex??? I think not….

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Reality2010 February 1, 2010 at 14:20

“Kave, THANKYOU.

I mean, the ONLY reasons men and women interact with each other is because of sex??? I think not….”

Let’s take you for example ‘Renee’ – have you ever been accountable for anything in your entire life? Hmpf. What interests do you (or any bitch) have outside of idle gossip, fraud, manipulation and yourself? You’re AMORAL. What would you & I ever have to talk about? I’m a real person and contribute to the world with real interests in something outside of myself.

Here, I’ll start the conversation.. “so.. uh.. Renee, uh – so how many men have you fucked over and defrauded lately?” (Something you could actually know something about).

What the FUCK is there to even talk about? An alien from outer SPACE would have more in common with a real human (male) than the average American female.

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 14:33

Welmer.

I took a long hard look in the mirror. Sounds like a cliche but I asked myself why I choose her. Answer was she was hot and I could “buy” her. Then I had to ask again why someone you bought would actually love you?

My wife and I are peers, considering her net worth is equal or slightly higher then mine completely self made even the likes of “globalman” would be diminished in her presence. But that’s really not why I love her, she asked me once what was the ultimate attraction for me to her and I had to say her kindness.

I’d been with a nasty human being and was very lucky to meet someone that within her core is a kind person. A kind person does not mean they should subject themselves to mistrust, or taking on a submissive role.
Eventually walls built on nothing but need and distrust will break down.

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 14:40

Reality2010.

Why don’t you and Renee sit down and compare accountably?

Just because you don’t count any women as friends in your life does not make it ok for you to make blanket statements for all the rest of us men in America.

I am often offended by the blanket “real men think this way” mentality on this ezine. How is your cookie cutter way any better then the cookie cutter way exposed on feminist websites for men unless they happen to be exactly like you with the same needs and wants?

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Welmer February 1, 2010 at 14:49

I am often offended by the blanket “real men think this way” mentality on this ezine.

-Kave

Kave, you’re welcome to contribute a piece if you’d like. I try to publish as many different viewpoints as possible as long as they are pro-male. There’s really no effort to enforce one single line of thought.

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 14:52

“There is blatant disregard for women as fully functioning humans on this thread. ”

Women are not fully functioning human beings. Try reading feministing.com and you will see that the intellectual capacity of women is that of 7-10 year old boys.

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 14:57

Justus January 31, 2010 at 22:21
“Women like Lara and Renee are the kinds of women we need to bring into the MRA fold.”
What kind of retarded nutcase are you Justus? NO. NO WOMEN ALLOWED. NONE AT ALL.

We will take care of sorting this shit out. Women have been invited to play fair and they refused. They have been invited to try and incarcerate women who commit crimes against men and they refused. They are to be ignored until we are done. My remedy I posted in the forums allows any man to deny the jurisdiction of any common law countries legislation and therefore family court and all courts. It effectively removes any womans ability to legally act against a man. Let the women sit in the corner while we take care of business and when we are done we will tell them what they will be getting. And if I am any judge they will be getting very little for having acted so dis-honourably. Now..let’s not hear stupid talk about letting women be a part of the MRA fold.

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 14:59

Renee February 1, 2010 at 13:24
“I mean, the ONLY reasons men and women interact with each other is because of sex??? I think not….”
I do….I only socialise with women when it is required for business or if they will have sex with me.

Oh..I tell a lie. I do get a woman in Germany and another in London to clean my apartments, and I do get them to wash my clothes, and I do allow them to fetch my food in a restaurant. But that’s about it!!

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 15:01

Globalman

You see women as the largest foe to the MRA movement.
I see “men” like you as the largest foe.

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Black&German February 1, 2010 at 15:02

Who in their right mind would damage their own property? I protect & take good care of my property like everyone else.

This is what Frederick Douglass was pointing out. Black people thought that their mistreatment would end once they were free, but then they found out the hard way that, although their masters sometimes mistreated them, they had a value as property that they did not have as free men. As free men, they were merely economic and sexual competition for white men, and no white man (master) was any longer interested in protecting them due to their monetary worth. Hence, the hangings.
This did not stop until the civil rights movement, when black men gained in political power and essentially became part-owners of the government through true enfranchisement.

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 15:06

Globalman

Fetch your food in a restaurant? You’ve just outed yourself yet again.

An all you can eat for 10 dollar buffet is not a restaurant.

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Reality2010 February 1, 2010 at 15:08

Just because you don’t count any women as friends in your life does not make it ok for you to make blanket statements for all the rest of us men in America.

I am often offended by the blanket “real men think this way” mentality on this ezine. How is your cookie cutter way any better then the cookie cutter way exposed on feminist websites for men unless they happen to be exactly like you with the same needs and wants?

You’re kind of babbling here, quite frankly and not making a lot of sense.

You act you’ve never met a real live American Female. They’re loud, obnoxious, 100% unaccountable, backstabbing, manipulative, and the second you bring up any interesting subject that involves science, the arts, or any actual work their eyes glaze over and they begin to yawn. Even well educated women. Better keep the conversation as trivial as possible like speaking to a child. Just tell silly stories about that time you caught your shirt sleeve in the door-that’s what you’re working with here.

One day when you finally figure out women you won’t be happy what you find. Be careful what you wish for. And btw, are you a magina, Kave?

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 15:27

Kave February 1, 2010 at 15:06
“Fetch your food in a restaurant? You’ve just outed yourself yet again.
An all you can eat for 10 dollar buffet is not a restaurant.”
Gents,
this cunt is so stupid she has never heard of a ‘waitress’. These children should speak when they are spoken to and not otherwise.

Indeed, I went to Shekeys in London the other night and I took a REAL woman to dinner. She was very helpful to me during my divorce and she was in town for a few days so I hosted her in thanks for what she did for me.

As promised we had lobster and champagne on me. Poor little femcunt Kave seems to have missed the post where I pointed out I make USD300K ina good year… ;-)

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 15:30

Kave February 1, 2010 at 15:01
“You see women as the largest foe to the MRA movement.”
No…I see them as either totally useless of a distraction. Just take a look at all the posts in this place by women…..110% totally fucking useless except to point out to the men that they ARE totally fucking useless.

What has any woman on here actually DONE!? Only ONE agreed to try women for crimes they commit against men. The rest of them don’t have the balls for it. They can not step up and act like men because they aren’t. They are children.

And if you are a little femcunt like the rest of them then you will be useless too. Are you make or female Kave?

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 15:34

Kave February 1, 2010 at 14:33
“My wife and I are peers, considering her net worth is equal or slightly higher then mine completely self made even the likes of “globalman” would be diminished in her presence”
Ah, reading up I see you claim you are a man. Want to check between your legs and see if that is really true. If you wish to degrade yourself and put yourself down by calling your self a peer to a woman that’s fine by me. I know what a mangina apologist looks like because I saw on in the mirror for so many years.

Men are better than women. Dick Masterson wrote a whole book about it that you had better read before you are so sucked in my your wife that you have babies. THEN you will find out just how much a ‘peer’ she is. She will quit work faster than flash fucking gordon and you will be on the hook for the next 18-20 years if you don’t learn how to defend yourself from your Illuminati corrupted courts.

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GrimmNoir February 1, 2010 at 15:35

Kave said:

“There is blatant disregard for women as fully functioning humans on this thread.”

Which is NOTHING compared to the blatant disregard for MEN as fully functional humans in realspace….

FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.

Not.

Even.

Close.

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 15:37

Reality2010 February 1, 2010 at 14:20
“What the FUCK is there to even talk about? An alien from outer SPACE would have more in common with a real human (male) than the average American female.”
A mate of mine posed the question: “I a woman didn’t have a pussy would you talk to her?” Not that long ago my answer change to “No”. Simply put, women have nothing interesting to say unless they are following it up with a good fuck.

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Globalman February 1, 2010 at 15:40

Kave February 1, 2010 at 14:33
“My wife and I are peers, considering her net worth is equal or slightly higher then mine”
I have got news for you, you stupid fucker. Right now her net worth is about 80% of all combined assets and about 30% of your future income as well. You, my ignorant friend, are a poor man unless you learn how to defend yourself.

Fuck….It breaks my heart to see young men this ignorant.

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crella February 1, 2010 at 16:47

the African women are willing to have babies, be a housewife, and greet the husband when he comes home from work.

How shocking! Imagine! I can see why she’s so disgusted :shead
Ken, never, NEVER put up with denial of sex as a method of control. Sex should be given freely with affection, no woman who really cares about you will ever use it as a bargaining chip. It’s really nasty behavior, don’t sit back and take it.

She wants him to be the leader of the group…and she wants to be the leader of her man…but in the shadow. Remember what all mothers told their daughters in 50´ 60´…
Let him believe he is the boss…but get him to do what you really want,,,,

Disgusting, underhanded behavior. I would truly hope it was not all mothers. My mother, fond of queening it, gave me this little lecture and I remember being disgusted to my core…

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crella February 1, 2010 at 16:47

Sorry, my ‘slaps head’ emoticon didn’t come up (wasn’t sure if it would , thought I’d give it a whirl).

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Renee February 1, 2010 at 17:10

GM,
Only ONE agreed to try women for crimes they commit against men. The rest of them don’t have the balls for it.

You keep saying this. If I’m called for jury duty to try a woman for a crime against a man, and she’s guilty, then my verdict for her will be guilty. That’s how it works.

Now when it comes to the news and life if a woman commits a crime against a man then she’s guilty.

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 17:19

Globaman

From where I stand you are Dick Masterson’s pussy. Nothing more.

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greyghost February 1, 2010 at 18:20

Kave , I just got home from work man. You do come off as a straightup mangina dude. There is a good chance your wife doesn’t give a shit about you and you can sense it that is why you are here. Know you are a man,for even though you got that woman to give you one of thoses “THANK YOU’s” in front of a room full of hard core men it doesn’t mean shit. For a man to get one of those from a woman on this site means you need to check yourself. If you have a good relationship with women these days it is because you do what they want.

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Avenger February 1, 2010 at 18:25

Renee: Good for you but it’s not going to stop my plan using jury nullification to destroy feminism. We will not vote to convict any man regardless of the crime, in retaliation for past prosecutorial and cop misconduct for their general abuse of men. At the very least we will have hung juries in cases where a man is on trial and that costs a lot of money if they retry. We will permit the most violent criminals to go free and keep females in a state of pyschological terror where they will need(or think they need) a chaperone when they go outside. This will cost them money and we’ll transfer it back to the men who of course are the only ones capable of being body guards. Females will have to pay in cash and ass lol And btw, a scheme like mine does not require 100% of the men to go along with it. 2% will do and when prosecutors finally realise what’s going on and why they’re not getting convictions the uncertainty about who’s on the jury will have a chilling effect. You see, I don’t even have to fire a shot to destroy them haha

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 18:34

Greyghost

What would your definition of a hard core man be?

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Kave February 1, 2010 at 19:26

I’m 54 years old and long past chasing tail. You however from your tales are not. (Globalman) Though from what you’ve said we are in a similar age bracket.
Guess which of us is more likely to die alone and rot for a few days until the caretaker finds us?

I don’t do what she wants, we just have goals in common and enjoy each others companionship. Both of us worked hard to retire early, and it’s a huge bonus to have companionship. As for money we both have more then we could spend, it’s a non-issue.

I’ve won because I got over the anger and hatred. many people here have lost because they haven’t.

If that makes me a mangila ? then I guess I’m a lucky man to be one.

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Robert February 2, 2010 at 00:29

Kave February 1, 2010 at 13:01

“money does not buy love and companionship”

This reminds me of something I once heard a woman exclaim; “I love money.”

I simply looked her in the eye and asked: ” How can you love something that cannot love you back”?

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Avenger February 2, 2010 at 00:37

Kave: don’t be so complacent young fellah. Females have been known to crack up at any age for no reason. Females in their 60′s have left their husbands because they decided they were lesbians or were just bored. And you had better have plenty of money in the event she leaves you and you have to split everything 50/50. If you like the house you’re living in and don’t relish moving you better have enough to buy her out. I would say they you would need at least $20m in cash to be on the safe side because that would only leave you 10 after the split and a safe return on that money at today’s rates may only be $300k per annum (less than $200k after taxes) So unless you live in Podunk I wouldn’t be so cock sure about having a comfortable live if your wife decides to go wacko on you.

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Robert February 2, 2010 at 01:15

GrimmNoir February 1, 2010 at 15:35
Kave said:

“There is blatant disregard for women as fully functioning humans on this thread.”

Which is NOTHING compared to the blatant disregard for MEN as fully functional humans in realspace….

FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.

Not.

Even.

Close.

No. It has been longer than forty years. Forty years is miniscule compared to the actual timeline.

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Gunslingergregi February 2, 2010 at 01:30

””””””’we both have more then we could spend””””””””

Kave I am highly questioning your money situation. There is no amount of money that could not be spent unless you chose not to do so. he he he

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Robert February 2, 2010 at 01:34

Avenger February 1, 2010 at 18:25
Renee: Good for you but it’s not going to stop my plan using jury nullification to destroy feminism. We will not vote to convict any man regardless of the crime, in retaliation for past prosecutorial and cop misconduct for their general abuse of men. At the very least we will have hung juries in cases where a man is on trial and that costs a lot of money if they retry. We will permit the most violent criminals to go free and keep females in a state of pyschological terror where they will need(or think they need) a chaperone when they go outside. This will cost them money and we’ll transfer it back to the men who of course are the only ones capable of being body guards. Females will have to pay in cash and ass lol And btw, a scheme like mine does not require 100% of the men to go along with it. 2% will do and when prosecutors finally realise what’s going on and why they’re not getting convictions the uncertainty about who’s on the jury will have a chilling effect. You see, I don’t even have to fire a shot to destroy them haha
——————————————————————-

This is perhaps old news but, it appears feminized prosecutors are set on self destruct.

RADAR ALERT: Massachusetts Voters Reject Nifong-Style Prosecutor

http://mediaradar.org/press_release_20100126.php

Prosecutor Jody Vaughan Pursues
False, “Stacked” Rape Charges

http://usobserver.com/archive/sept-09/driscoll-september.htm

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greyghost February 2, 2010 at 17:21

I see a hard core man as a man that knows he is on track without having to please a woman.

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Globalman February 3, 2010 at 08:55

crella February 1, 2010 at 16:47
“Sex should be given freely with affection, no woman who really cares about you will ever use it as a bargaining chip.”
Fucking grow up and smell the shit crella. Pretty much EVERY married western man has his wife use sex a weapon against him. If you actually want to make a contribution why don’t you start telling THOSE women not to use sex as a bargaining chip? You could stop any married woman on the street and be pretty much guaranteed they have done this.

Renee February 1, 2010 at 17:10
“If I’m called for jury duty to try a woman for a crime against a man, and she’s guilty, then my verdict for her will be guilty. That’s how it works.”
Well consider yourself called. I am proposing that men who have had a crime committed against them by a woman be offered a path to justice by all female juries trying the offense in the city the man lives in. The current legal system is corrupted by the Illuminati which is why women are not treated equally before the law. So I am proposing, all around the world, starting with Dublin and Ireland, that women serve on common law juries to provide the men a path to justice. I have one such woman here volunteer. I have two in Dublin. Pretty poor response rate so far which is reflective of women having no sense of justice.

So. Now the question is. You have been called. Will you serve on such a jury if we get one set up in your city? All we need is 11 more women to serve beside you and we can start trying women for crimes they commit against men in your city.

Kave February 1, 2010 at 19:26
“I’m 54 years old and long past chasing tail.”
But you say you are married for a second time? That’s pretty much chasing tail dude. A woman has no other value that sex and lovemaking. Absolutely zero. Indeed, they are liabilities. But not many men are interested in finding that out. It’s just too horrible. By the way, I am 46.

“Guess which of us is more likely to die alone and rot for a few days until the caretaker finds us?”
A lot of you manginas are sold on the idea you won’t die alone if you are married or some shit like that. Or you are fearful of being along and you need a woman to be nagging you to know you are still alive. Guess what. If I’m dead I’m not really going to care if I am alone or not. Any by the way, being married was VERY lonely and a lot of men know what I mean by that. Nope. I’m going to do my work, make my money, spend it on wine, women and song…and the rest I will waste. And when I can not longer ‘get it up’ I’ll lay down on the train tracks and meet my maker. I made my ‘contribution to society’. I am not going to be so shallow I make shallow Hal look like the mariarna trench. And I am having a damn good time doing it too!

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Kave February 3, 2010 at 23:20

Globalman.

There is nothing good about the time you’re having in my opinion.

My first marriage was lonely so I do understand you for that.

That’s the end of my understanding. I may carry a reason for justice but I don’t carry a vengeance, or like you do a dead end stereotype, or like you do a feeling or superiority based on gender alone.

I don’t have to base my superiority on my genitals like you do. Stormfront holds the same debate that you have just a different enemy, but in the end it’s the same.

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globalman February 4, 2010 at 13:40

Kave February 3, 2010 at 23:20
“There is nothing good about the time you’re having in my opinion.”
Good thing your opinion does not count in my world Kave. You are a mangina apologist. As for trying to second guess whether I am loving my life and enjoying it? What would make you imagine you know more about how my life is going now than I do or what I am writing? That is the arrogance of stupidity and ignorance Kave. Grow up, if you can.

I write of my experiences clearly and concisely so that young men can understand exactly what is very likely in store for the should they marry. Most men in my position are shouted down by wimmin and mangina apologists like you. Few have the balls, the experience, the time and the commitment to educate the younger men in such a way that it really gets through.

I’ve had more than 20 young men write to me to thank me for taking the time to share my life and to make it clear exactly what is going on and how that might affect them. I note those 20+ because they have also said that my story was a signifcant factor in making up their mind they will not marry. I’ve had young guys ask me about relationships and the advice is always the same. Get out. And already some of them have come back to thank me for that advice because it was the best advice they can get. If the women is western the best advice is always ‘get out’. It will be correct many more times than incorrect.

My life is great now. MUCH better than it EVER was ‘married with children’. Any effort to characterise it any differently I call a lie and the person who puts it a liar. In my opinion of course Kave.. ;-)

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globalman February 4, 2010 at 13:55

Kave February 1, 2010 at 13:01
“But frankly money does not buy love and companionship, or the greatest gift of all; that sense of being able to finish each others sentences.”
Ha, ha, ha, ha…..this is so funny….you reckon you are 54 and you are this naive? You really do take the prize. Then again, I was this naive about 10 years ago as well.

1. Women are not capable of love. She is just presenting what you think of as love in order to be a parasite off you. This is standard practice for women and they don’t like men saying it.

2. Companionship? A woman? Women make TERRIBLE companions. MEN make the best companions. I can go to the bar with my mates and get drunk and have a good time and it is WAY better than any time I spent having my wife be my ‘companion’. My mates are better companionship than even the hot women I am dating now dude. Check out guys of sports teams. Their mates on their sports teams are always better mates than their wives. Women ENVY the deep relationships that men have over their lifetimes.

3. The greatest gift is being able to finish off each others sentences? LOL!! Get me some tissues while I cry from the ‘love in the air’……what a mangina. Do you actually get to finish any of YOUR sentences Kave? Or does she tell you what to think and say too?

Sorry. Compared to the ‘gifts’ my lady friends are giving me I’ll trade in fake love, companionship and finishing each others sentences ANY day of the week. Over christmas one of my lady friends decided she wanted to give me an all over body massage with scented oil while singing love songs to me…then with the appropriate follow on. It was really nice. And my mates in germany say even THAT is way too sentimental!! LOL!! Once you are out of the matrix and can see women for what they really are all this is obvosu dude.

“But I also have a wonderful life PARTER for the last 10 years who is truly my best friend.”
LOL!! They ALL tell men how they are ‘their best friend’….even while filling in the divorce papers. LOL!!

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Kathy February 6, 2010 at 05:31

Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much ;)

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Ragnar February 6, 2010 at 05:51

globalman February 4, 2010 at 13:55
2. Companionship? A woman? Women make TERRIBLE companions. MEN make the best companions. I can go to the bar with my mates and get drunk and have a good time and it is WAY better than any time I spent having my wife be my ‘companion’. My mates are better companionship than even the hot women I am dating now dude. Check out guys of sports teams. Their mates on their sports teams are always better mates than their wives. Women ENVY the deep relationships that men have over their lifetimes.

MEN make the best companions

This is absolutely right and methinks the support for the gay movement is in order to denigrate men and paint all male friendship as gay.
This isn’t true.
The absolutely best friendships are among men.
It comes natural to us – as natural as forming gangs and joining established gangs as the army or fraternities later in life.

Good post Globalman, thanks. :)

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zed February 6, 2010 at 06:31

crella February 1, 2010 at 16:47
“Sex should be given freely with affection, no woman who really cares about you will ever use it as a bargaining chip.”

Absolutely true – just as I would never withhold food or shelter from someone I really care about. Thus, when a woman does use sex as a weapon in her marriage or relationship, she makes clear her personality and true motivations.

A member of my family has been married for almost 30 years to a woman I absolutely detest. In the early years of the marriage she used to call me up to serve as an audience for her whining and complaining about my family member – mostly about how “awful” it was that he wanted to have sex with her, his own wife.

Not only was she so incredibly stupid that she expected another man, and a member of her husband’s own family, to side with her betrayal of the most fundamental aspect of the marital bond, she seemed genuinely surprised that I did not agree with her about how awful it was and landed on her with hobnail boots instructing her to never bring up the subject to me again.

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Renee February 6, 2010 at 19:31

GM,

So. Now the question is. You have been called. Will you serve on such a jury if we get one set up in your city? All we need is 11 more women to serve beside you and we can start trying women for crimes they commit against men in your city.

Yeah. Question is, who’s “we”, and why an all woman jury?

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Renee February 6, 2010 at 19:52

Reality 2010,

Let’s take you for example ‘Renee’ – have you ever been accountable for anything in your entire life? Hmpf. What interests do you (or any bitch) have outside of idle gossip, fraud, manipulation and yourself? You’re AMORAL. What would you & I ever have to talk about? I’m a real person and contribute to the world with real interests in something outside of myself.

First of all, I’m not a bitch – I have a name. You don’t see my calling you names (I’m more mature than that). Anyway….

Of course I’ve been held accountable for my actions. I was taught to be held accountable for my actions by my family, religion, and my church. And I have plenty of interests: computers, social/environmental concerns, science, art, music, current events, video games, outer space, extraterrestrials, anime, movies, etc. I’m never, nor have I ever been interested in fraud or manipulation (why would I be). Although me and my friends don’t really gossip (we don’t have much to gossip about even if we wanted to), I’ve been exposed to it of course. Also, the last thing I am is full of myself and self-centered.

I’m not amoral, and who are you or anyone else to say that I am. I could care less that you and I have nothing to talk about. You really don’t seem the type that I could get along with anyway.

And I too am a person and I have my own real interests to contribute to the world. Once again, who are you to determine who’s a “real” person… whatever that means. You don’t know me.

Here, I’ll start the conversation.. “so.. uh.. Renee, uh – so how many men have you fucked over and defrauded lately?” (Something you could actually know something about).

There’s only one guy that I can say I hurt, and that happened maybe 3 years ago while I was in college. I won’t go into details, but I was naive when it came to dealings with the opposite sex and made some dumb mistakes. And no, no sex was involved, I’m a virgin so don’t even go there. Eventually, everything ended up alright and we’re still good friends – he even has a girlfriend.

I’m human. As humans we make dumb decisions and hurt people. As long as we learn something from our mistakes…..

What the FUCK is there to even talk about? An alien from outer SPACE would have more in common with a real human (male) than the average American female.

If there’s nothing to talk about, why respond to a comment that wasn’t even directed at you?

“Real human”=male….you’re a riot…..

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GlobalMan February 7, 2010 at 08:45

Renee February 6, 2010 at 19:31
“Yeah. Question is, who’s “we”, and why an all woman jury?”
We is the World Free Man Society to which I am loosely attached. (www.thinkfree.ca)

I am proposing all women juries for trying women who are alleged to have commited crimes against men so that all the ‘feminists’ do not have the ‘excuse’ of ‘male oppression’. Hence. In Ireland I have called for the women who are members of the Irish Free Man Society to try my wife for kidnapping, purgery, theft and extortion. I have asked them to try her on exactly the same basis they would like to see a man tried who committed these crimes.

I have given the women in the Irish Free Man Society until March 31 to do this. If they refuse to do this then I will call for an all male jury and declare women irrelevant in the process of dispensing justice in Ireland. It is up to women to make themselves relevant. Men can not FORCE women to dispense justice. So far the women are very reluctant. I have just two women who have agreed to serve on that jury. But if a man did to a woman what my ex did to me you would have women flocking to serve on a jury to send me to jail for a long time.

Basically, I am offering women the opportunity to make themselves relevant, and provide a path to justice for men in the period that our courts are corrupt.

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GlobalMan February 7, 2010 at 08:48

Renee February 6, 2010 at 19:52
“I’m human. As humans we make dumb decisions and hurt people. As long as we learn something from our mistakes”
As a woman you left out an important bit. As long as we PAY for our mistakes and then learn from them. Women do not want to pay for their mistakes. They want a man to pay for them.

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Ragnar February 7, 2010 at 09:09

Renee February 6, 2010 at 19:52
“Real human”=male….you’re a riot…..

He is right. Women are monkey’s (primates)

It is only men who took the step out of the animal kingdom by creating civilisations. Women only came along as baggage.

Men and women both belong to the group of primates called Homo Sapiens, but that is an animal!

Humanity is men. Mankind you know!

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Globalman February 7, 2010 at 13:30

Ragnar February 7, 2010 at 09:09
“It is only men who took the step out of the animal kingdom by creating civilisations. Women only came along as baggage.”
GOLD!!! There has never been a civilisation created by women.

Women couldn’t even invent the forceps in 10,000 years of being midwives. They let their sisters and babies die because they weren’t smart enough to innovate tongs into forceps. That’s pretty dumb. As soon as men got involved in child birth a man invented forceps. Indeed, pretty much ALL the technology that makes the ‘modern western feminised woman’ the most pampered and protected creater to ever have inhabited this planet was invented and implemented by men. And STILL the shrill harpies won’t shut up and be grateful.

“Women want fried ice.” Arabic Proverb

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Ragnar February 7, 2010 at 13:56

I certainly do believe that biologists or antropologists search for the “Missing Link” in vain as civilisation seems to be software.

It’s not just a certain ‘bone’ or a physical trait.

Furthermore, it can be lost and presumably reinvented in various forms.

It also seems to be invented and maintained by men only.

Frankly I dare not think the thought of this to an end.

Why do women paint their lips red?

Geeeeeeez!

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Ragnar February 8, 2010 at 02:29

@ Globalman

I’ve tried to google “Irish Free Man Society” because I cannot understand why such a society has female members.

Is it an equality concept, women=men, that is the reason behind this?

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Renee February 8, 2010 at 10:37

Ragnar,

He is right. Women are monkey’s (primates

)
I think someone needs to retake biology class ;) .

It is only men who took the step out of the animal kingdom by creating civilisations. Women only came along as baggage.

Well if women are such baggage, then maybe they should leave or should have left child-rearing, cooking, cleaning, and if possible childbirth to the capable men along with the roles that they already perform.

Men and women both belong to the group of primates called Homo Sapiens, but that is an animal!

Yep.

Humanity is men. Mankind you know!

Humanity encompases men and women…thought you would’ve known that. And it’s common knowledge that anytime mankind is used, it also means men and women. Or you can always say mankind and womankind. Anyway, this doesn’t negate the scientific fact that men and women are Homo sapiens.

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Renee February 8, 2010 at 10:44

GM,

Women couldn’t even invent the forceps in 10,000 years of being midwives. They let their sisters and babies die because they weren’t smart enough to innovate tongs into forceps. That’s pretty dumb. As soon as men got involved in child birth a man invented forceps.

While I give credit to those male doctors, I wouldn’t be so quick to disregard midwives simply because they didn’t invent forceps. It was a midwife that invented to Gaskin maneuver you know.

But that’s a whole other subject ;)

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Ragnar February 8, 2010 at 11:22

Renee.

You do not get it all . . . try to distinguish between those who made the software that is civilisation and oth the biological basis Homo Sapiens.

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Stallywood March 14, 2010 at 10:06

Women it seems can not admit that other than being able to have babies, and sex, men do not need them. We want them, but we do not need them.
Think of an office full of men, and all the women stay home. Then reverse the sexes. Which office will continue to run as before?
A simplistic analogy, but I think it holds.
Stally

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Smythe June 15, 2010 at 14:46

Western men have been, for the most part, fairly monogamous.

I think this is a comment worth exploring. You speak of monogamy as a virtue. And thus, those who are “fairly monogamous” must be “pretty much virtuous”.

First, what is virtuous about monogamy? Specifically, what is virtuous about a man being sexually owned by the whims of a single woman?

Second, what about men who aren’t completely monogamous? Are they still “man enough”? How promiscuous does a man have to be before he is no longer virtuous?

Third, what if he hides his promiscuity?

Fourth, does serial monogamy count? In other words, “I’m tired of this woman, so I’m getting a new one.”?

Fifth, from where do you get this notion that there’s something virtuous about monogamy? From god? Which one?

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VB February 20, 2011 at 12:52

Honestly, read a bit more. This is not frivolous or silly. History is filled with the shameful treatment of women in the West – a great deal of which comes from ill-informed, surface ridicule. Were you skimming?? With regards to dangerous work – try this: a woman dies every minute and a half of every day of every year – from childbirth – that is the most dangerous job – what other job has that mortality rate? Do you see women running around going – – look how dangerous it is to be us!! look how amazing we are!! But no network will show that – catching crabs and cutting down trees – now that’s dangerous! Be a woman in the Sudan or Afghanistan – not that’s dangerous. No big. Seriously. Men have God, mankind, manmade, man the desk, manned spaceflight, Mr. and Mrs. Man, children named after men (though women do the work to produce them – do not try to rationalize this away – you’d just sound silly. It’s okay that men take credit for women’s work – even childbirth. We’re used to it – reference all that history you read/skimmed), the honor of being the first mother (Adam: the first mother (gave birth to Eve you know) – now that’s a usurption extraordinaire).

Seriously – don’t you consider our society just a little male-o-phile? just a tad slanted? at least with the god the Father thing? Or the Trinity not being mother-father-child – but father-son-holy spirit (where’s mom?? the Trinity one still makes me laugh). But there can’t be any impact of God being male rather than male and female (want to know the quickest way to reduce jihads and improve education – – start praying to “God the Father and Mother”) – once the Churches, Temples, and Mosques pick this up – perhaps just a little more humankind focus – yes (I can see you secretly nodding) -imagine such a small shift and such potential huge results).

Just so you know, it’s not particulary easy to try to exist in a society (West) that tells you from birth that there is only one gender (and it’s not yours – and that you’ll be re-gendered all the time (ie. Chairman, Congressman, Mrs. John Smith) – just in case a woman forgets that female is not a valid gender). That god is one gender – male. That marriages only represent husbands – yes, we all know that “family name” just means husband’s name – but we won’t say anything, honest. That giving birth is so valueless that children don’t even bear their mother’s name (so much for meritocracy). Then if women go along with what has been ingrained in them since birth (ie female-bad, male-good/divine/legacy), women are blamed for choosing to side with the prejudice against them – women are used as evidence to continue prejudice against them (it’s like saying a black man who “chose” not to vote in a white majority town in the South in 1950 – agrees that blacks shouldn’t vote. Then using him as evidence that blacks should not be allowed to vote – because they don’t want to vote – – convenient-yes?).

We got it. Women understand – males have privilege. Much of which is predicated on pushing women down. Understood. We live with it everyday. It’s okay, guys really. No sweat. When the prejudice gorrilla is 6000lbs. what can you do? then you read articles by idiots who don’t do their homework to understand what they’re talking about – and seriously, women are just too tired of this BS to worry about it much anymore. If you guys are that stupid and ungrateful, so be it.

But for heavens sakes – could you stop playing victims and stop whining about the privileges you have. Stop ridiculing women to make yourselves feel more manly and then saying women are being silly. How much more do you want? You’ve got God, the Trinity, most of language, the privilege of turning your wife into your personal mirror (Mrs. “Me” – oh joy!!) , the privilege of naming children that you do no work to produce, etc etc. – what else do you need?

If you don’t know the history of women in the West – just say so – stop pretending it was anything but shameful.

We all took psyche 101 – jeez. Stop protesting the minor push back from women. You are sitting pretty on your high pedestal. Have the grace to appreciate your vantage point and stop bitching about it.

Get over it Lady Macbeth! (if you don’t get the reference, again, read a bit more).

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