Life Without Feminism

You missed out the main issue: false rape accusations.

Without feminism, the incentives for, and the ease of, destroying a man’s life would simply be gone for the most part.

But actually, for this, what we need is not so much a negative – the absence of – but a positive – the presence of something we don’t yet have, that is, a respect for men, as men.

I honestly don’t know if feminism is the biggest threat I face or not. There was a time I certainly did think that, but now it just seems to be one of the several institutionalizes menaces that confront me. If feminism faded I would not be confident of something better emerging. At the moment I rather see environmental fundamentalism as more of a threat to me than feminism.

I suppose may be I am just defeated and pessimistic but I can not see someone like me ever being anything but wretched , put upon and exploited.

The most important benefit I could see from dismantling feminism would be a respect for knowledge among boys again.

Boys have pretty much given up on school these days, thanks to feminism, and this has far-reaching effects throughout society. People don’t read, preferring to watch television, and even the television shows are getting more and more one-dimensional and pointless as time progresses.

Without educated men, progress stalls, and eventually, society regresses. I think our society is in a nosedive right now, because feminism divorced us from the helm of society and put their feminist henchmonkeys there in our place.

So the most important thing,I think, that males are missing out on due to feminism, is education and a respect for knowledge.

fedrz holy shit dude that was wild. Woman will go along with anything if there is a camera lol See where the guy was like ending voting and the chick blew him off. haahaaaahhaah

Oh well guys mostly the same when people are like are ya gonna do your responsibility as a man for this kid meaning give money and he is like yea.
lol

“I’d like to see our readers add a few of their own to the list in comments.”
I live in a world now largely devoid of ‘feminism’ and any such effects on me. I am unusual in that I am able to do this relatively easily. Other men will have to work at it. I put a post here for scrubbed docs. http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=225

By rescinding agreement to any legislation and statutes no feminism statutes apply to me. I don’t have to pay income taxes, alimony or child support. That makes a big difference. If some woman makes a false allegation against me I can simply refuse the jurisdiction of the legislation. I retain my right to innocent until proven guilty through a public hearing and public jury. Any incarceration prior to that is unlawful and will be met with a bill according to my Fee Schedule.

I simply do not associate with western women outside of the requirements of business. I am polite and professional with women in business because it is necessary.

By only socialising with non-feminised women I actually enjoy their company. In my current client there are a lot of Indian women who are not feminised and our team often socialises and these women are welcome and lovely to socialise with. We went out for a bithday celebration just last night in fact and I sat next to a woman much of the evening and she strongly agrees with my opinions on feminsed women. The women in our team have noticed how different western women are and they don’t like them much either. One of the indian woman here had her bother go through a horrid divorce with a newly ‘liberated’ Indian woman and she reports she could not believe how badly her brother was treated.

It would be nicer if I were free to speak my mind in mixed company. That is a reflection of how childish women and mangina apologists are, that they can not tolerate a dissenting opinion. That’s fine. They can pay their taxes and be slaevs of their guvment. Getting out of guvment control takes some learning and some time…but in my opinion it is worth it. I feel sorry for guys still stuck in the mess of ‘feminism’ and family court but I have provided remedy for anyone who wants to learn it. The next step is up to men to take themselves out of this guvment control grid if they choose to.

Women’s rights aren’t what you have to worry about.

It’s women’s fantasies that are the real civilization-killers. A man’s escapism is not expected to cross over into the real world. We generally don’t remake the world in the vein of Middle-Earth, or Azeroth, or Arrakis, or Sherlock Holmes’ London, when we read or play fantasies about them.

Women, on the other hand, watch Twilight, The Da Vinci Code, or Sex and the City and take them as instructions for how the world and their ideal men should be.

For life without feminism, just kill the feminist fantasies.

Here’s another way of looking at it: what would life be like today if women never got the vote in America?

Assume American women never got the right to vote. What effect would this have had on American and world politics?

1) No prohibition and no repeal. Women’s Temperance League members never get the vote. No gangster era in Chicago. Al Capone dies in a gangland shootout, and gets only a perfunctory notice in the obituary column. The Kennedys never make a fortune from bootlegging.

2) The era of profligate consumer credit that helped create the Great Depression is moderated because men have less pressure to kowtow to their wives’ lust for shopping. They prefer to buy beer instead. The Panic of ‘29 ends by 1935.

3) The New Deal never includes Social Security – male voters do not allow a permanent liability to be assumed to solve a temporary problem.

4) The post-war Baby Boom would still be going on, and the population of the US would be over 400 million, with a lower percentage of Asians and Hispanics (recent immigrants) and a higher percentage of whites and blacks (descendants of less recent immigrants).

5) The UN wins the Korean War because male voters demand nothing less than total victory. Casualties are much higher, though. Mao barely keeps power after loss of face.

6) The ’60s don’t happen in the same way – less drugs, less sex, probably less rock and roll [TOO BAD!]. The Pill is not accepted as an excuse for promiscuous sex by the Patriarchy.

7) The Great Society never happens. Socialized medicine never gets a foothold in the US. Welfare is greatly limited. Welfare mothers remain a pitied minority, even in the inner cities.

The US supports South Vietnam after we pull our ground troops out. Saigon never falls. Communism collapses earlier because of increased US resolve and earlier Soviet economic implosion.

9) The space program keeps going after Apollo. Saturn V rockets and their evolutionary descendants keep flying because Vietnam is won, the Great Society never happens, and the prosperity of the ’60s continues for decades. Boys love their toys, and they don’t come any bigger or badder than moon rockets.

10) No JFK presidency because his dad never makes a fortune bootlegging. No assassination. No LBJ. The US military is allowed a free hand in Vietnam. The Wall in Washington is never built, but a traditional memorial in the Greek Revival style is built instead. The President of South Vietnam is the guest of honor at its dedication.

11) Nixon is still a crook, but his election to the presidency occurs in 1960 instead of 1968. He still resigns in disgrace. [We can’t blame this one on feminism.]

12) The 1970s are not an era of drugs, stagflation, and national malaise. They resemble the 1950s, but with better electronics.

13) The Reagan Revolution never happens. He still becomes president, but in the 1970s. He still wins the Cold War, but the Great Society doesn’t need partial dismantling because it was never built in the first place. Iran kidnaps US hostages. The UN passes a resolution demanding their safe return. Iran says no. The Gulf War happens in 1979, except this time it’s Iran. A UN force occupies the oilfields of Iran and tells the Ayatollahs to play nice or their allowance will be cut.

14) The first manned mission to Mars occurs in the 1990s when a nuclear-powered manned spacecraft parks in orbit and sends down an Apollo-style lander.

15) The collapse of the Soviet Union in early 1970s allows Chinese reformers to “retire” Mao early. China becomes semi-capitalist a decade earlier. Hundreds of millions are lifted out of poverty.

16) The US responds to the oil crisis by drilling wells everywhere in US. Old Apollo vets from NASA are put in charge of solving the energy crisis. The US builds 500 nuclear reactors instead of 100. Three Mile Island never happens. OPEC collapses.

17) The collapse of OPEC causes the economic collapse of Saudi Arabia. The Bin Laden family loses its fortune. Osama is forced to stay in the construction business, and remains too busy working to feed his family to switch to the destruction business. 9/11/2001 is just another nice day in NYC.

18) Peace and prosperity sweep the planet, except for the former OPEC nations and Africa, which remains a matriarchy. The illegitimacy rate in Western societies never reaches double digits – peaks at 9%. The Moon colony graduates its first lunar-born high school class in 2003. Asteroid mining using nuclear technology allows Detroit to introduce the first Cadillacs with titanium bodies in 2005. Solar power satellites are launched by the US, but rented out to China. Panicky scientists fret that the reduction of coal usage in China may allow a second Little Ice Age to occur.

19) In 2007, NOW votes to disband. Its members are too busy fussing over numerous grandchildren. Also, they get sick and tired of being hit on by elderly lesbians at every annual meeting.

http://www.dumpyourwifenow.com/2007/01/12/what-would-life-be-like-without-feminism/

Great piece Nemo.

Female voting rights seems to be the biggest man-made disaster ever.

If feminism had never existed, 50 million babies would not have been killed. Many of them would have already reproduced. The population of the United States would likely be around 400-450 million people by now and its dominion would not be threatened..

I don’t know if that is good or bad…

I tend to lean on the “good” side: many of those babies who were sacrificed for the happiness of women might have become great scientists.

We might now be in possession of a cure for cancer… who knows?

How to end feminism? Avoid feminist women. Globalman is a prime example.
Stop feeding the monster: it will die.

Only married (or divorced) men should have the right to vote. Everyone else is basically free-loading off of their income, efforts, and protection. With more responsibility should come more rights. Giving anybody else the vote inevitably leads to socialism over time.

The birthrate would increase dramatically and lead us back from demographic oblivion.

This is from this blog Anglobitch
http://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/2008/10/anglo-american-marriage-strike.html

1. Lots of Western people have now grown up in broken families. Consequently, they have no positive mental model of Marriage. Many of the males will have learned to distrust women at their father’s knee.

2. Some of this is an Anglo-Saxon problem. Because Anglo-Saxon culture is in essence Puritanical, Anglo-American women grow up with a sense of entitlement second to none, because they ‘own’ sex in a culture where it is an elusive commodity.

3. Because of point 2, Anglo-American women are typically rude, abusive and endowed with an offhand sense of entitlement. Men will avoid this if possible – hence the Marriage strike.

4. The Internet revolution has opened up lots of alternatives to marriage with Anglo-American women – swinging, prostitution, foreign brides, you name it. Men do not need to marry any more.

5. Women have squared rights with privileges, because Anglo-American feminism is still an emerging movement. This is at the core of the Divorce problem for men – the Law is stuck in 1958, picturing women as penniless damsels and men as ogres. Yet women have gained many rights since then.

6. Rival lifestyles – being gay is now acceptable. Guys that might have denied their sexuality in earlier generations now ‘go for it’ – being Gay is now super-hip in the media.

7. Women, while they have rights still retain archaic expectations that male partners should earn more than themselves. This is biological and unlikely to be erased, ever. This explains why they erroneously ’see’ such a shortage of single men.

Yes, the game is up: Anglo-American women have squared rights with privileges, opportunities with entitlements, all sans responsibilities – but now, everyone knows it. Only deadbeat Anglo males with low incomes and IQs (i.e. with nothing to lose) get married or breed any more.

In the near future, the Anglo-American middle class will be replaced by a sino-caucasian elite; the Anglo-Saxons will just become a moronic underclass across the Western Anglosphere. Anglo-American gynophilia has destroyed the Anglo-American cultural compact: the Anglo world hegemony is finished.

Indeed, the Anglosphere is already too feminine to compete with the masculine Orient. From a biological perspective, the surplus of males in China and India must lead to highly competitive and innovative cultures: men in male-heavy societies must triumph in order to reproduce. And as we know, men can move mountains given the motivation.

By contrast, the West in general and the Anglosphere in particular are hobbled by feminist, feminine values that devalue male dynamism and originality – just look at the education system, degraded into spoon-feeding the masses politically-correct cant; where women’s studies are accorded more status than engineering.

This also explains why the West is increasingly ‘porous’ – why, for example, indigestible Jihadists enter Europe, refuse to assimilate, exploit the Welfare state and finally respond with terrorism. It is hard to picture any of that happening with a more ‘masculine’ socio-political ethos abroad in the West: after all, the primary male instinct is to maintain a territory. For example, Victorian England accepted mass immigration without any cultural concessions to the incomers – none whatsoever. The same was true of the United States until relatively recently.

We are entering ‘interesting times’; with environmental degradation soon to destabilise large parts of the globe and probably unsettle populations as well as the global techno-industrial infrastructure, it will strain the West’s hegemony to the absolute limit.

Given the Anglosphere’s gynocracratic values, its ability to ‘ride’ these catastrophes and emerge with any degree of cultural coherence will be massively ameliorated. The gynocratic porousness, lack of vitality and reliance on sentiment that now characterises the West is the worst prevailing philosophy if it is to survive the storms ahead.

Where is the equipoise between male/female dominance?

sabril, violent and sex criminals are not so bad. The female ones don’t even receive punishments

Some of the suggestions as to the effects of a feminist free society posted above are not all that attractive to me. The idea that without feminism the USA would easily win all the wars and dominate the world does not offer much in the way of a pleasant outlook.

Actually I think the opposite is true. The more western males and principally USA men try to assert their dominance over the world the more they will be enfeebles and marginalized within their host societies. It seems odd to me that men who can not even control their own women never the less regard themselves as the rightful policemen of the world.

I felt there was a slight oxymoron within the article when it said that without feminism men would be able to speak their own minds. Surely if they where men in the first place they would speak their own minds anyway.

I like the idea of thinking about what might be the future without feminism. I have read similar discussions before. Often the image that is offered is rather brutal. I get the impression that some equate the rise of feminism with the decline of national power.

All men should earn their right vote upon merit, which could be taxpaying, service to their country and such.

There’s no taxation without representation. Wasn’t that one of the arguments for women’s suffrage?

My point is that it is married men who have legitimate children. So they should be the ones to get the vote, as they are the ones showing the most interest in the future of the society. And it is that interest that qualifies them to be patriarchs and have a say in the development of society.

It used to be that owning property, paying taxes, or serving in the military was enough to show that interest, but that is no longer the case.

Some people here seem not to understand the mechanisms among free men.
One of the key points that no one earns anything without merit another would be respect for the property of other men.
Therefore any functional society would base itself on equal rights for equal men (emphasis on every word).
Never give to much power to anyone, that’s privileges and never exclude anyone from having a say.

Furthermore, if you make a buck on your horse. Who owns that buck?
That’s all that needs to be said about female representation!

World without feminism… I’ll pretend women got the vote, but for some unspecified reason, the second and third waves never hit. Thoroughly unrealistic, but a fun mental excercise.

I see better education and faster advancement in the sciences. With fewer women going to college, there is less demand for liberal arts studies, and more male teachers in primary school. High schools today retain woodshop, metalshop, drafting, and sometimes autoshop classes, resulting in a larger blue collar sector. Despite that, the US will still lose preeminence in the manufacturing sector due to Chinese and other foreign competition, due to our labor unions.

I see government growing, but not anywhere near as fast. Racism remains a hot political issue, but without any lobby against sexism, homophobia, or what have you, hate crime legislation, affirmative action, and political correctness never become widespread.

We end up with the same presidents, but with more a right-leaning congress, and therefore more right-leaning laws. Neoconservatism never develops, and republicans remain the party of small government. Democrats are about the same as in reality (remember, Marx was a man).

Families remain together, no-fault divorce is unheard of, and abortions are a state issue. With faith sadly continuing to diminish as we advance into the modern world, the Christian lobbies never successfully get abortion banned by the supreme court.

The Pill opens the way to promiscuity for many, but it never becomes an openly accepted part of the culture. Women still feel shame, and men continue to pedestalize as the madonna-whore dichotomy remains strong. Game is less than a subculture – although its ability to create attraction in women is undeniable, most women retain the shame and sense to deny their tingles, or at least be discreet. Logically, this should cause a somewhat late Second Wave (quiet depseration, anyone?), but it does not happen because that is one of the parameters of the scenario.

Television and books cater more toward men and traditional right-wing values. Speculative Fiction is a more mainstream genre. Starbucks remains regional to Seattle, as hipsters never become popular without legions of feminized boys growing up to wear skinny jeans and stupid hats.

http://manhood101.com/principles101.pdf

Only those who have property deserve to vote, they are the ones with something to lose if things go balls up. Single or married.

Many women have property. What is the difference between a propertied man and a propertied woman? My point is, why should people who have no stake in the future get to decide what the future is going to look like? That’s what we have now and it leads to socialism because they vote for things that are good for themselves right now. Married men are the only group that consistently votes for liberty-leaning candidates, which proves that they are the only group with their heads on straight. Single men overwhelmingly vote for Democrats (socialists).

Marriage strike is biting guys..does not matter how they spin it.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/cougar-hot-spots-prove-happy-hunting-grounds-20100130-n5hn.html

Figures show the trend has increased in Australia due to an oversupply of single women aged 40 to 54 compared with men in the same age bracket.

There were 568,000 women aged 40-54 who were not married or in a de facto relationship, representing more than a quarter (27 per cent) of that age group, according to the 2006 census.

The number of single men in the same age range was just 479,000, or 24 per cent of that population.

In 1986 there were 234,000 single women aged 40-54, representing almost one in five of the age group (19 per cent).

”””In my humble opinion, feminism is not the disease but the symptom. The ideology that speeds the changes up. But once you separate sex from reproduction and make the housewife obsolete, the course is very predictable.””””””

Is it just lack of long term planning or why did the size of the family go down so low.

Why also in a relationship you have to have the woman do a multitude of tasks to make it seem like a fullfilling career he he he

We are not expecting enough of woman and should expect her to bust out 9 kids and work full time and do the housework and such keep em busy.

@Nemo

Here’s another way of looking at it: what would life be like today if women never got the vote in America?

Thanks so much for that awesome comment. Your thoughts on NASA truly struck a chord for me. I remember the Apollo 11 moon landing, which took place when I was a boy living in the UK. I remember thinking: “What kind of men are these, these Americans, who can walk on the moon? They must be giants, supermen.” That was the moment that planted the idea for me to emigrate to the USA. Thinking about how far this great country has fallen brings tears to my eyes.

@Gunslingergregi

Makes me want to die rather than watch it in reality but I suppose we all deal with it in our own way.

I’m resigned to the fact there’s nothing I can do about it. This particular genie won’t go back in the bottle.

Part of my reaction to my personal circumstances has been to work at far less than my capacity. I work 4 or 5 hours a day and have paid much less in taxes than I would have if my incentives were different. I intend to starve the beast by denying it my tax dollars to the greatest extent possible over the next 20 years.

Otherwise I try and spend as much time as I can doing the things I like – in my case flying and tinkering with airplanes. I also have the slightly perverse ambition to live long enough to see the first European country go Sharia. I want to see what those strong, independent Swedish women do when it dawns on them that they’ve really screwed the pooch.

Why would any man want to go back to a time when you were judged solely on your status and income?

When women were with you because they HAD to be and not because they wanted to be?

When you were forced to be a certain type of man and anything else was unacceptable?

Where you were discarded as “not good enough” if you didn’t have the financial means to buy your bride (so to speak)?

When you had FAR less freedom to have sex without marriage and without restriction?

When you HAD to be a father and a provider or your were the butt of “Old Sailor” jokes?

I really and truly don’t know if you guys are just “forgetting” all that about pre-feminism or if you genuinely WANT to be treated that way and judged like that again.

It seem to me that you want to NOT have to do any of the “traditional” pre-feminist things that men did AND not have to have any of the post-feminism responsibilities, either.

Ice cream and ponies in MagicLand, anyone?

Aghhhhhh.

Only the first two lines should have been italicized.

Sorry!

Otherwise as we have seen they just get online all day and talk with strange men.

As opposed to the career women who spend their evenings knitting. LOL. We’re here because of our political views, not because we have an unusual amount of free time. Please, let’s not forget that the average married working woman watches 4 hours of TV every single day. I don’t even have TV.

Toby – let it go.

I’m taking my son to see Legion and Edge of Darkness tonight – a double header of good, clean, mindless violence. Hah!

Toby–

Anyone with sense who read the part I posted about “manhood 101″ would call it what it is….psychotic ramblings of someone barely lucid.

If I remember correctly, we had a thread a couple of weeks ago where we made the decision not to accept women here. Has anything been done so far?

Lady Raine must really devalue herself and consider herself unworthy of the attention of real men, to spend so much time with gay small-dicked losers like us.

Ragnar,

In Your dreams!
Neither you nor any other woman is that important.
All men should earn their right vote upon merit, which could be taxpaying, service to their country and such.

So regardless of women paying taxes and serving their country (because there are other roles besides fighting that a woman can have), they still shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

The respect for men should be the most important thing as no society will ever survive without it for any length of time.

Respect for men only?

Why would any man want to go back to a time when you were judged solely on your status and income?
That d0esnt exist now, what are you smoking

When women were with you because they HAD to be and not because they wanted to be?
That is not the problem, many women are too irritating to deal with to want to do nice things for.
When you were forced to be a certain type of man and anything else was unacceptable?
Since society decreed that subsdizing single motherhood was a wise decision.
Where you were discarded as “not good enough” if you didn’t have the financial means to buy your bride (so to speak)?
Stop forcing me to support useless single mothers and we’ll see who is good enough.
When you had FAR less freedom to have sex without marriage and without restriction?
There is no such thing as a lack of restriction in sexual matters, someone has to clean up the mess. Stop forcing single men to subsidize useless single mothers and let social darwinism take effect and we can have a talk about without restrictions.
When you HAD to be a father and a provider or your were the butt of “Old Sailor” jokes?
Having the State be the provider is a joke to me.

I have to assume that you are advocating NOT wearing condoms?

Good point. Do condoms open the way to promiscuity as well? What about situations of discreet sexual affairs?

The US will soon resemble Detroit today or Europe after WWII: the physical infrastructure will be in ruins. Even worse, we will lack the “human capital” to rebuild like the Germans and Japanese did after WWII. Half of the adults living in Detroit today are functionally illiterate. The educated citizens fled for their lives.

In the future, men who want to do great things will be forced to emigrate from the US to other countries. We will be financially broke, and physically and spiritually broken.

Raine: Very few females pay income tax. They file returns to get taxes that were withheld returned to them AND to collect the “earned income credit” of a $1k. So in effect that pay no taxes and get some extra money.They’re actually costing us money by working.

And btw, once the male birth control pill is available (there already is a drug available that is now used for a different purpose) men will be in complete control of reproduction. We all know that 99% of females want to get knocked up and get pregnant (even with a dozen methods of birth control available they still get pregnant!) but with men in controll they will never know if he’s using the pill or not. Females have a subconscious instinct to have babies which is why little girls play with babydolls and barren and post menopausal hags collect cats as a substitute. There is nothing comparable to this in the male who throughout 99% of human history didn’t even know that having sex was the reason that females got pregnant. It was only after a man discovered the sex-pregnancy link that fatherhood was recognised.This is when men invented morality to control the promiscuous female who would have sex with any man who gave her something(prostitution comes naturally to the female, it’s her nature). Men simply do not have the same subconscious instinct to have something growing inside of their bodies and will never desire kids as much as the female even now that they know the reason for pregnancy and that they are the father of a child. Everything about the female psyche is geared to having kids, from their fear of being alone to her fear of being ostracised from the female herd if she didn’t have a kid like the other females(they probably just threw barren females out(death) because females who were never pregnant would still have fit bodies and get all of the male attention for sex and therefore food) Now, with the male pill men will be in complete charge and if a female wants a kid she’s going to have to agree to men’s terms.She’s going to have to pay a man a substantial amount of money for his sperm(btw, the Masai women of Kenya still have to do this) and she’s going to have to sign contracts that she takes full responsibility for the child and that the man owes nothing to her.BTW, the Masai females work and do own property like the men (they are cattlemen and wealth is determined by heads of cattle). So in conclusion I would suggest that you females get good jobs and save all of your money(no shoes, clothes or vacations)because you’re going to need it to pay a man and for the upkeep of your kid.

Newly: the real world is whatever men chose to create. Men are the dominant sex. There is no such thing as a “strong, independent, powerful” female. That’s just some bullshit we men play along with to make the female “feel” good about herself much as we humour children. Females are only “strong” when they are living within the cocoon of male protection. Without that you would see how fast these “strong” females would crack up.

but I am pretty sure you would find some one else to blame

Maybe you would not have any one to blame for the failure that your own life has become.

That is a woman’s MO. You’ve never been accountable for anything in your entire pointless fucking life.

Lady Raine!

Yo Bitch! Where’s my Sandwich!?!

I bought my own house and car with my own money.
I have had my fair share of success and failures and disappointments but I certainly do not blame men for the failures.
There is not point being nostalgic for a period of time that never existed. The 1950s were not all roses for men. America went through a pretty tough recession, black men could be killed for glancing at a white woman. Men had to work at jobs they hated because they had a wife and four kids to support.
You complain that alpha men are not allowed to be who they are, and yet alphas like George Clooney and Tom Ford have become extremely successful and love and respect women. George Clooney gets stuff done and is a gentleman. He has made it clear he will never marry or have children and good for him. But he also championed for Darfur where women were being raped by the soldiers of Sudan. He would not waste his time trolling for newspaper articles where some male was treated poorly. Tom Ford is the a great example of a gay alpha that turned Gucci around and changed fashion. He was also incredibly gracious and polite and loved women. He loves powerful women like Madonna and his clothes were sexy and sophisticated, with just a touch of trashy. I could never afford his clothes but I wanted them.
The owners of this website complains about women, and all these men complain about women, is anything ever done, NO. Just more complaining. There is no legal defense fund for the boy that was arrested for sex-ting. There are no links to help men that are in custody battles or fighting sexual harassment complaints.
I looked at some of the man hater links and found them to be quite shocking and laughable. But if you replace “man” with “woman” this website and that website sound exactly the same. Feminist websites say that men are irresponsible and emotionally stunted, this website says women are irresponsible and emotionally stunted. Feminists are to blame for the world’s problems, men are to blame for the world’s problems.
Meanwhile the rest of the grownups get on with their lives, have successful and not successful relationships with the opposite sex.
When I first came across this website I thought it would be interesting to find out what men thought, what they want from women, to read interesting articles about gender differences but all there is is bitching and whining. It is like you keep waiting for feminism to disappear and life will all of a sudden be perfect. Well I keep waiting to win the lotter and then maybe my life will be perfect, but in the mean while I get on with my life.

@Canadian Girl

Now that you’ve made up your mind about this site, would you care to take your drivel elsewhere and hang out with the “winner” crowd? C’mon, you deserve better. Step on it. Get on with your life as a “successful” grown up, and save us the pain of having to scroll over your bland and blank banalities.

…but in the mean while I get on with my life. — Canadian Girl

Don’t the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Why the hell were you here in the first place, whacko?

Life without feminism?

We can’t even have a thread without feminism.

canadian girl January 30, 2010 at 19:41

Epoche –
But women who have sex before marriage are out destroy men, (the vast majority of women),
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I dont give a shit what you do with your vagina, just dont ask me to pay for cleaning it or what comes out of it. Is there any movement to make sure that single men who are not promiscuous do not have to subsidize the fornication of single women? of course not, so I have to assume this means

You are also subsidizing the fornication of single men. If men paid the child support for the children they created no one would have to subsidize anything.

Let me restate my position, my opinion is that feminism is the moral equivalent of communism and comes from the same type of people (IE the stupid, the useless, the parasites) Lets destroy private property because some adults cannot compete or lets destroy marriage and family life because some adults are not good at it, its just the same thing.

“”"You are also subsidizing the fornication of single men. If men paid the child support for the children they created no one would have to subsidize anything.”"

The female could have had the thing aborted. Males have no right to choose whether its aborted or not (its her body, after all). All the accountability is on the female. She CHOOSE to have the the child. The man has no choice.
She decided to invest the 9mths in incubating it when she didn’t have to – abortion is freely available.

If females want to incubate children and have them they should get a job and support their spawn themselves.

How come no fault divorce is bad for men? I would have thought it would be good for both sides if they did not want to be married that they could get divorced.

canadian girl January 30, 2010 at 20:50

Men choose to have sex out side of marriage or with out protection.
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and that entitles single mothers to the wealth of men who watch where they stick it. Again who benefits? the stupid, the useless, the non-thinking. We all know that the immediate social needs of parasites should take precedence over any type of incentive that productive people have to build anything worthwhile in the world. Single mom, you get 10 votes! Aids infected 20 votes! Aids infected with antibiotic resistant tuberculosis? 50 votes! IQ less than 70? 100 votes! The first shall become the last and vice versa; no not at all, lets find a better way, I want to throw rocks at the stomach of a single mother! Canadian girl, I think that you refuse to deal emotionally with what I am saying because you know that it is true, in fact you wont answer anything that I say direct because of it. I am a very fair man, in fact, but feminism represents to me the threat to civilization that communism does.

Sage,

The female could have had the thing aborted. Males have no right to choose whether its aborted or not (its her body, after all). All the accountability is on the female. She CHOOSE to have the the child. The man has no choice.
She decided to invest the 9mths in incubating it when she didn’t have to – abortion is freely available.

That’s interesting because the impression that I get from this site is that alot of men here are against abortion.

I think men should have a choice around whether or not to have a child, but I am not sure how to get around forcing an unwilling woman to have an abortion.

It would be enough to give the right to resign child support for an unwanted child. Nobody is killed and men have rights. A “paper abortion” so to speak.

But women will never agree to that. It is easy for them to have all the rights and no responsibility. And have the men have no rights and every responsibility.

It is not fair that the women make the final decision on a pregnancy, but God made women get pregnant so what can you do.

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What a bullshit. With the same argument, we can say that God made women get pregnant so men are no responsible so what can you do.

canadian girl January 30, 2010 at 21:07

I think fathers should step up and do the right thing by the child they create. It is about taking responsibility for their actions.
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Is there any movement to make sure that responsible single men do not have to pay for the bastard children of single mothers? No, none at all. So we have to conclude:
Feminism = my vagina, your wallet
I look forward to the day when I can throw a rock at the stomach of a single mother, and I am not kidding at all.

Canuckgirl: If Men ever do invent artificial wombs I doubt that females would use them anymore than they use sperm banks. Neither of them pay child support.

Im sorry I mean the stomach of a pregnant single mother.

Of course, the situation I was considering is not the one of Canadian girl. Her father choose to have the children (by marrying her mother) so he is responsible. He had a choice: he had a responsibility. In this situation, I agree with Canadian girl.

This is very different from single mothers who want the man not to have a choice and have all the responsibilities.

Actually, for some reason, I kinda look forward to LR’s participation here. She often raises provocative concepts that can stimulate debate (the overwhelming majority of feminists are utterly bereft of the ability to analyse/critique at this level) – she does have a point you know, regarding pre-feminism men… I remember their privileged ‘old-boy’ networks that denied many men getting their foot in the door, at least as far as Victorian Australia is concerned (not Victoria the state, but as in Victorian Puritanism/ entitlement/ unionism). I have little cause to regard these goons in power as my pals.

Sure, she often slips up, like her idiotic comment on the contraceptive pill having nothing to do with sexual freedom. This is the sort of unsubstantiated, air-headed comment I’d expect a typical feminist to make, and it does not deserve a reply, beyond saying that the contraceptive pill has everything to do with sexual ‘freedom’ (obsession) and the slut culture.

Yo bitch! While you’re up, you can make me a sandwich too!

Epoche,

Stop forcing single men to subsidize useless single mothers and let social darwinism take effect and we can have a talk about without restrictions.

Why single out single-men?
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It would take an unprecedented amount of stupidity to ask such a question, because the idea of taxing single men to support single mothers represents nothing less than the destruction of civilization. Our civilization, indeed anything that could be called civilization is based upon kinship. To replace the family, which is the goal of feminism, with the fear that I have of the IRS is about as useless a matter of public policy as anything that I could reasonably conceive of. If sharia is imposed I will be able to throw a rock at a single mother!

Do you think raising kids is easy. My mom did the right thing, got married, had kids and guess what…

You are sooooo right, canadian_girl, raising children is NOT easy. That is why, when their rights are even recognized, single fathers mostly raise responsible, healthy children into adulthood while single mother c0nsistently end up raising dysfunctional violent thugs to add to the prison population.

Men are even better than women at raising children. Besides sex and youthful beauty, what do you cunts contribute to the world besides dysfunction?

Toby,

So what, tax everyone else BUT single men?

Snark January 30, 2010 at 05:18
You missed out the main issue: false rape accusations.

Without feminism, the incentives for, and the ease of, destroying a man’s life would simply be gone for the most part.

But actually, for this, what we need is not so much a negative – the absence of – but a positive – the presence of something we don’t yet have, that is, a respect for men, as men.
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There is also false assault accusations where the man is jailed, even when there is no evidence of any kind/type than an assault having taken place. Remeber feminist jurisprudence.

How come no fault divorce is bad for men? I would have thought it would be good for both sides if they did not want to be married that they could get divorced.
@canadiangirl
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CG,

Largely because of the usual exorbitant alimony settlements awarded to wives, even if she is the one leaving him and requesting the divorce (which is about 65% of the time – officially – unofficially, some say it is actually as high as 90% of the time).

Robert January 30, 2010 at 22:44
Snark January 30, 2010 at 05:18
You missed out the main issue: false rape accusations.

Without feminism, the incentives for, and the ease of, destroying a man’s life would simply be gone for the most part.

But actually, for this, what we need is not so much a negative – the absence of – but a positive – the presence of something we don’t yet have, that is, a respect for men, as men.
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There is also false assault accusations where the man is jailed, even when there is no evidence of any kind/type than an assault having taken place. Remeber feminist jurisprudence.
http://www.mediaradar.org/press_release_20071016.php

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/feminist_jurisprudence

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-256.html

Ecclesiastes

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”

3 What does man gain from all his labor
at which he toils under the sun?

4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.

5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.

6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.

7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.

8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.

9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Bob January 30, 2010 at 12:11

“I see better education and faster advancement in the sciences. With fewer women going to college, there is less demand for liberal arts studies, and more male teachers in primary school. High schools today retain woodshop, metalshop, drafting, and sometimes autoshop classes, resulting in a larger blue collar sector. Despite that, the US will still lose preeminence in the manufacturing sector due to Chinese and other foreign competition, due to our labor unions.”

What you have said reminds me of a publication penned by Valerie Solonas; Th scum manifesto. Here is an exerpt;

“Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex.” — Valerie Solana, SCUM founder

http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm

If you look in many of our nation’s factories, you see machines that have taken the place of men. The money system has almost been replaced by a system of credit cards.

(cont)

“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.” –Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

“Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.” — Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female.

“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

“Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence.” — Judith Levine; Authoress

“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’ — Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)

“I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, ‘hate in love,’ for the men women share their lives with–husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers.” — Judith Levine, Authoress of My Enemy, My love

“Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.” — Popular Feminist Graffiti

Catharine MacKinnon ( ) maintains that “the private is a sphere of battery, marital rape and women’s exploited labor.” In this way, privacy and family are reduced to nothing more than aspects of the master plan, which is male domination. Democratic freedoms and the need to keep the state’s nose out of our personal affairs are rendered meaningless. The real reason our society cherishes privacy is because men have invented it as an excuse to conceal their criminality. If people still insist that the traditional family is about love and mutual aid–ideals which, admittedly, are sometimes betrayed–they’re “hiding from the truth.” The family isn’t a place where battery and marital rape sometimes happen but where little else apparently does. Sick men don’t simply molest their daughters, they operate in league with their wives to “breed” them for that purpose. — Donna Laframboise; The Princess at the Window

“Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.” — Marilyn French (her emphasis)

My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Marilyn French; The Woman’s Room.

“All patriarchists exalt the home and family as sacred, demanding it remain inviolate from prying eyes. Men want privacy for their violations of women… All women learn in childhood that women as a sex are men’s prey.” — Marilyn French

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)

“I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” — Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman.

http://masculinisme.blog-city.com/radical_feminist_quotes_1.htm

It was claimed that feminism was the radical notion that women were people. Yet it appears feminism is the radical notion that men aren’t.

“The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.” — Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)

“We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men.” — Elizabeth Cady Stanton

From ‘A feminist Dictionary; ed. Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

MALE:…represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants…the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.

MAN:…an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched…a contradictory baby-man…

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon

“I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys.” — Treena Shapiro

“In general, I support a girl’s right to offend any member of the opposite sex who happens to cross her path. In fact, I’d much rather see a little girl wearing a shirt that mocks boys than one that turns them on.” — Treena Shapiro

“Men are animals. Don’t you think so?” — Ireen von Wachenfeldt, radical feminist leader in Sweden

Parents what do you make of this?

“The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation…[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women.” –Kate Millet, Sexual Politics 178-179

I think the quotes I posted offer insight into the world of feminism and it’s true intent.

“Robert January 31, 2010 at 00:47
I think the quotes I posted offer insight into the world of feminism and it’s true intent.”

Thank you for taking the effort to post all this.

I absolutely agree and think it support the conclusion that humanity is man made.

Ragnar January 31, 2010 at 01:22
“Robert January 31, 2010 at 00:47
I think the quotes I posted offer insight into the world of feminism and it’s true intent.”

Thank you for taking the effort to post all this.

I absolutely agree and think it support the conclusion that humanity is man made.
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You are welcome Ragnar. Not one feminist, no ot one has decried or attampted to cantradict anything that past/present feminists and past/present radical feminists have said. This speaks volumes of feminism’s modus operandi. Civilization is man made. Men are the persons who built cities and towns and all of the infrastructures contained within. Men built our thoroughfares and byways. Men fought,suffered and, died for our freedoms, rights and, liberties. Feminists don’t concern themselves with any of this. They do not consider their own fathers to be anything execpt oppressors of the woman who gave these feminists birth. It is plain to see feminism is more about the demonization, criminalization, subjegation and, destruction of men and everything they have built.

I appreciate the fact that I was able to go to college, as well as more options which included the specific career path I chose. I doubt that the latter would have been possible without some of the changes that have been credited to the feminist movement.

I am also reflecting on what the possible benefits to setting aside the terminology burdened with gender politics associations, and encouraging others to live life as an individual rather than under a label.

@msexceptiontotherule

I appreciate the fact that I was able to go to college, as well as more options which included the specific career path I chose. I doubt that the latter would have been possible without some of the changes that have been credited to the feminist movement.

That’s one less college slot for a man, one less job for a man, a few notches down for the birth rate, a few notches up for the average marriage age.

You are no exception. You are the by-product of a pernicious and deceptive ideology. You are part of the problem. However, you can be the solution, by simply renouncing gender equality, proclaiming the superiority of the male gender, then act accordingly.

You won’t.

And who can blame you? The feminism genie is out of the bottle, and it won’t go back in. Thanks to feminism, you now have power and license to do whatever pleases your amoral, hypergamous selves. You won’t relinquish that intoxicating power.

Since the good old pre-feminism days won’t return any time soon, we men will have to adapt to the times. Going our own way and avoiding marriage… especially to women who proclaim ‘I’m not like the others’.

Women such as YOU, msexceptiontotherule.

A return? When was that allowed in America?

Feminists very often talk about death for those who oppose them, it’s not the first time I’ve seen it. I’ve seen feminists recommend death for “deadbeat dads”, castration for accused rapists (no proof necessary) , they seem to think that they are some kind of superior life form and should be in charge of who lives or dies, and who deserves severe retribution. That’s pretty sick, when you can actually start declaring some people deserving of death simply because they disagree with you.

Too bad her employer is not visible. A lot of her writings should be seen by her employer.

At least Google searches will reveal some of this.

“If men paid the child support for the children they created no one would have to subsidize anything.”

*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*

Men DO pay child support, statistically, a man who does not pay child support is below the poverty line and can barely afford to eat. The deadbeat dad myth has been debunked over and over and over. Statistically, if a man can afford child support, he pays it, and even when the mother repeatedly blocks his court-ordered right to see his children, he pays child support.

It is WOMEN who REFUSE to pay child support in the rare event that they are ordered to pay it. When they have more than adequate funds to pay child support, they refuse to do so, probably on general principle.

“When I first came across this website I thought it would be interesting to find out what men thought, what they want from women, to read interesting articles about gender differences but all there is is bitching and whining.”

Fuck you, you donut-eating, ice-skating bitch. If you want to know what a man thinks or wants all you have to do is open your fat donut-hole and say “What do you want from women?” or “What do you think about this?” so now that the UTTERLY FUCKING OBVIOUS has been pointed out to you, will you please fuck the hell off?

This is a site for people who support men’s rights, not a dating site and not somewhere where you can go to put your idiotic fucking nose into man business,bitch.

What you call bitching and whining, we recognize as debating and strategizing. It looks like bitching and whining because you are projecting your female attitudes onto us and because you are a complete fucking moron.

We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a useless fuckwhore who doesn’t even have two brain cells to rub together, based on the fact that you can’t seem to figure out that the best way to find out what someone thinks is to just fucking ask them, so please, muffincrotch, go somewhere fucking else where they don’t mind useless fucks chiming in with their less than worthless opinions.

Anon January 31, 2010 at 02:49
This is what Lady Raine wrote about The Spearhead :

“See these are the kind of people who really should be removed from society, lined up and shot with no judge and no jury. I wish we were still allowed to just randomly give out the death penalty for assholery like the old days……”

She seems quite confident that a return to such rules would work in her favor.

Yeah, a lot of women suffer from the delusion of equality!

God help the men in her life.

This is libel……from LRs site, a post by her in reference to posters here-

Its not “my opinion”. Its the opinion of U.S. Law (and most countries that aren’t barbaric or 3rd World) that rape, sexual assault, murder, and physical assault/violence are CRIMES and the people committing them are CRIMINALS.

The articles, posts, and commenters at The Spearhead promote ALL of those crimes and more and most normal citizens do not consider criminals to be representative of ANY normal person.

crella January 31, 2010 at 04:33
This is libel……from LRs site, a post by her in reference to posters here-

Its not “my opinion”. Its the opinion of U.S. Law (and most countries that aren’t barbaric or 3rd World) that rape, sexual assault, murder, and physical assault/violence are CRIMES and the people committing them are CRIMINALS.

The articles, posts, and commenters at The Spearhead promote ALL of those crimes and more and most normal citizens do not consider criminals to be representative of ANY normal person.

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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!

I’ve read no comments anywhere on this site endorsing crimes such as those she mentions. She has not only lost any/all credibility she had but, also her mind. Typical feminist thinking; illogical, insensible, belligerent and, incoherent.

The following thought comes to mind concerning what “lady” raine had to say; “Free your mind and your ass will follow”.

Lady Raine a.k.a Wendy Schwartz is a potential bunny boiler. Single motherhood must be tough.
Be her friend today!

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1153029983
Blog: http://ladyraine.wordpress.com/

Life without feminism is called “Garden of Eden”
Life with feminism is called “Hell on Earth”

In our valley of tears, the only way out of Hell is to abandon, ignore, forget women altogether.

As long as men shall ponder to women, the pain will increase until it causes death.

Yes indeed, FEMINISM IS DEATH.

It is probably the punishment for being humans.

You see, hell is not a place that exists outside of life: it is very real, it has a shape, a form and it even looks human, but it is not.

Men must go their own way: it is really the only way to be happy.
Use females for sex, then cast them away. That’s what the bicycle must do with the fish. And they do smell and look like fish, don’t they?

Things don’t have to be so difficult: they are rather easy if you see feminists as merchandise.

Msexception.,

I appreciate the fact that I was able to go to college, as well as more options which included the specific career path I chose. I doubt that the latter would have been possible without some of the changes that have been credited to the feminist movement.

I feel the same way. I really do think that while there were some negatives to the movement, there were some positives as well.

Ohplease,

That’s one less college slot for a man, one less job for a man,

So it’s either us vs. them? A woman can say the same thing only in vice versa.

a few notches down for the birth rate, a few notches up for the average marriage age.

Honestly I’m indifferent about the birth rate at the moment and a high marriage age doesn’t bother me really.

So yeah, I’ll be stepping away from this thread lol.

A woman can say the same thing only in vice versa.

No she can’t. Men built the colleges, men created the fields of study, men organized the classes,men taught the disciplines to other men, until women demanded access to what MEN died or were threatened with death to create (think Galileo) . Women have contributed basically nothing to scientific advancement, and they contribute nothing in their jobs because they just use them as a place to meet rich or high-status men to marry.

A man pursuing a college education usually does so in order to provide for his family, WOMAN INCLUDED. A woman rarely, if ever, provides for a man and even then, she won’t do so for long and will complain about it the entire time she is doing so.

A man can’t take a job or college education from a woman, because those things were all created by men in the first place. The reasonable and courteous thing for women to do would be to just go home and stop getting in the way of men trying to create or discover things, as we’ve done perfectly fine for thousands of years without you around, but women are neither reasonable nor courteous so that probably won’t happen.

Lol, I knew I wouldn’t be away from here for too long. What can I say, if someone responds to a comment of mine, I can’t help but answer

Mark,
So all of what you said are reasons why a woman shouldn’t seek higher education, all because some men of the past did those things you mentioned? That women are “getting in the way” of men? Don’t get me wrong, I give them MUCH credit, but I don’t, nor will I ever regret going to college. If men can’t create or discover things simply because women are going to college, then something tells me that either he’s not trying hard enough or he doesn’t feel strongly about doing those things.

So because I dared to recieve an education, I’m not reasonable or courteous to men lol? What do you expect women to do without any college education, live with and off their parents until she hopefully finds a man to provide for her? Because I can’t think of alot of jobs that she could have in order to provide for herself or family if she’s a single mom. And correct me if I’m wrong, but alot of guys here constantly complain about how husbands sometimes spend so much money on their wives. If the wife had her own cash, it wouldn’t be a problem.

And getting a higher education is ALL about providing for a family or a future family (because do most college students even think about providing for a possible family)? Believe it or not, men and women do have aspirations and dreams, and yes, they do want to have some money in their pocket. And no women don’t ONLY use jobs as a place to meet high-status men. Perhaps she actually likes her job, not to mention that there are bills to pay. What makes you so sure that women never contribute to their jobs?

A man can’t take a job or college education from a woman, because those things were all created by men in the first place.

Are you serious??? This doesn’t even make sense. So if a man takes up a slot whether it be a job or college admittance, meaning one less slot for a woman, technically he didn’t take that from her. Ok……I don’t know about you, but this reeks of entitlement. So if a white person fills a slot meaning one less slot for a black person, it doesn’t mean anything since whites created most of the jobs in this country in the past? And before you all talk about affirmative action, I’m just trying to make a point…that’s another topic for another day lol.

Renne wrote, Ok, now I’m done. You were done before you began.

…We’re meant to compliment each other

That sounds like some new age nonsense or something written by the guy who writes Hallmark cards.

…Both sexes are flawed and are better than the other a certain things.

That’s not true. Men are better than females at everything they do even in areas that were traditionally viewed as female like cooking,designing clothes, decorating etc etc

You mention the Old Testament but it was the Patriarchs who created morality to control the wanton female animal mating instincts and thereby also created what we know of as civilisation. Men must always be in a superior position over a female and have the final word on all matters unless you want chaos and a reversion to a primitive society.

Now, females are probably able to learn subjects by rote as well as men but when it comes to original or rational reasoning they are deficient. Give them a repetitive job, under a man’s supervision of course,and they’ll be able to perform well enough and in fact will be happy performing mindless work that requires no real thinking or accountability. But in general in business females are not as good as men and in today’s feminist inspired legal climate a man cannot even scold a female when she makes an error without fear of being sued which is why firms don’t want female workers especially in top positions. They are more of a liabilty than an asset.
And btw, there is no such thing as the “glass ceiling”, it should really be referred to as the intelligence ceiling. The top people in any field are the very high IQ people (people like Bill Gates etc) and in this high IQ category the men are 98% compared to 2% female.They say that the Average IQ’s of men and females are the same but this really means nothing because it is that tiny group of high IQ men who accomplish everything(the average and low IQ types never do anything and are irrelevant)

Men must be the ultimate authority in any advanced society simply because they have invented everything including the concept of human rights and justice.Primitive Matriarchies have never risen above the stone age level.

Men are even better than women at raising children.
Only after infancy, obviously. Breastfeeding has a strong impact on a child’s later mental, emotional, and physical health. But after the first year, then yeah, the guys seem to do better. But an intact family does better than either alone.

David,

Married women overwhelmingly vote with their husbands, so giving them the vote is mostly a matter of courtesy and fairness, rather than something that will create a new political movement. You could give them the vote, or not, but in a post-feminist world their vote would simply add up to “me too!” and is therefore a waste of money. Voting costs a lot of money, you know.
Let’s not forget that Switzerland didn’t give women the vote until 1971, and their country didn’t turn into Taliban-territory.

When you say stressed out all the time do you mean she took it out on you in the form of screaming at you all the time?

Where to begin?

So all of what you said are reasons why a woman shouldn’t seek higher education, all because some men of the past did those things you mentioned?

They are still attempting to do them today, even though many of them get stepped on,pushed aside or ignored in favor of some woman’s master thesis, Kittens Are Cute.

If men can’t create or discover things simply because women are going to college, then something tells me that either he’s not trying hard enough or he doesn’t feel strongly about doing those things.

God,you are a fucking moron. Women bring gender conflict EVERYWHERE they go. There have been tenured professors harassed with death threats or forced from their positions for stating scientific facts that they have found, facts like “Men have higher I.Q.’s” or “Women commit spousal abuse as often as men or more often than men.”, THAT is how you are getting in the way, by deliberately GETTING IN THE WAY of men practicing science according to the scientific method and not the let’s-not-hurt-womens’-feelings method.

So because I dared to recieve an education, I’m not reasonable or courteous to men lol?

No, you are unreasonable and discourteous because you act like such a fucking cunt about it, and you have absolutely no sense of the significance of the fact that if it weren’t for men the sum total of human knowledge would be how to wipe your ass and there would be no such thing as an education for you to have. Then you turn around and stab men in the back when you depend upon us for literally every goddamned thing you have.

You are not reasonable or courteous to men because you take men’s contributions for granted as you inflate the importance of your own. You can’t even see how ridiculous you look trying to compete in a dick-measuring contest when you don’t even have one.

What do you expect women to do without any college education, live with and off their parents until she hopefully finds a man to provide for her?

Why the fuck not? That arrangement worked perfectly fine for thousands of years. And it’s not “hopefully“, any woman who doesn’t have severe physical deformities can find some man who will provide for her. It won’t be Brad Pitt, but what do you expect if you look like the ugly tree fell on you?

Because I can’t think of alot of jobs that she could have in order to provide for herself or family if she’s a single mom.

Of course you can’t think,silly, you’re a woman.

And correct me if I’m wrong, but alot of guys here constantly complain about how husbands sometimes spend so much money on their wives.

They’re complaining that the wives are not giving the husbands an equal amount of sex or housework for their money, and I’m entitled to agree. Less Oprah, more blowjobs, problem solved.

And no women don’t ONLY use jobs as a place to meet high-status men. Perhaps she actually likes her job, not to mention that there are bills to pay.

So you admit that women think jobs are places to get dates, not places to accomplish something. Thank you.

Are you serious??? This doesn’t even make sense. So if a man takes up a slot whether it be a job or college admittance, meaning one less slot for a woman, technically he didn’t take that from her.

No, he didn’t. Because men are responsible for there being jobs in the first place. Men CREATED civilization. You don’t seem to understand that yet.

Let me put it this way: No MEN, NO JOBS. No cities, no colleges, no science,no medicine, no commerce. Nada. Nothing. Zilch. Men ARE civilization.

Every time you take a man’s job or college slot, you are taking his birthright away from him, secured by his forefathers at the cost of imprisonment, death, or torture.

Jobs and college admissions were NEVER women’s to begin with. Not only did men create the sciences and arts you study in college, they built the fucking building too. How the fuck can a man take something from a woman that she had nothing to do with? YOUdon’t make any sense.

Ok……I don’t know about you, but this reeks of entitlement.

Entitlement,my ass. Let me ask you a question. What would you say to a stranger who broke into your house while you were gone, and unbidden, started taking food out of your fridge?

Would you say “Oh,please help yourself to all this food you didn’t purchase, and while you’re at it, why don’t you lie down on my couch?”? No, you’d tell them to get the FUCK out of YOUR house, and get their own food.

Well, women are in OUR house, raiding OUR fridge, and I’m telling you to get the fuck out.

We paid for it. Not you.

Avenger,
I don’t know about the morality of the patriarchs, whoever they were, but based on the Bible and what I was taught, God called for both men and women to abstain from sex, not to mention that Biblical morals concern more than just sex and mating instincts.

Men are better than females at everything they do even in areas that were traditionally viewed as female like cooking,designing clothes, decorating etc etc

So I guess men should just make their own sandwiches then

As for the idea of men being in superior position over women and how they should be the ultimate authority in everything, I simply don’t agree. In fact, other than the household somewhat, I can’t remember being taught that such a thing was said by God or Jesus in the Bible. I also don’t agree with the idea of men being better at women in everything.

As for how women are on a job concerning business, I’m not going to sit here and say that I know how women are and how they function on the job, because I don’t, so you may be right. At the same time, I’m not going to make negative encompassing statements about female supervisors because I’m sure there are good ones and bad ones, just like there are good male supervisors and bad ones.

Renee is a typical example of a lamebrained female. She first says that she knows NOTHING about the Bible and the Patriarchs(which incidently are not confined to the Hebrew Bible) but then goes on to tell all about it. Typical female behaviour. They know nothing about a subject and then want to pose as experts lol

I don’t normally believe in censorship but these female dingbats are the limit. The only reason to not delete their comments is to show how truly dumb they are.And btw, what are females doing on a men’s forum? The purpose of these men’s forums is to destroy feminism, not to argue and waste time with bored little girls looking for attention. If females were even capapble of reason and fair play these forums wouldn’t even exist.

I don’t normally believe in censorship but these female dingbats are the limit. The only reason to not delete their comments is to show how truly dumb they are.

Reading women’s ideas is a lot like watching

Kids Say The Darndest Things

. Except kids aren’t allowed to vote, so…. a lot scarier.

”””The young men and women, children in my life have
no in interest with someone “like that” because they have strong parents, not some incoherent boozed up druggie trying to laugh things off. It’s not funny to decide it’s your right to raise your trailer park crack baby malnutrition and all .”””””

I was talking about the maury show where the woman is on the 6th guy who she is sure is the father and it finally is and they ask him are you gonna be a man and give money and he says yea.

Your just a drone of tv yourself there too. Bringing up trailer parks. People in them actually pay their own bills and take responsibility for themselves. Trailer parks were the cheap alternative for white families who did want to live near black ghettos.

They beat the system and refused to babysit minorities who got free housing to live near people who paid mortgages. That is probably the reason for the hate of trailer park folks as they beat the system.

Women’s education has nothing to do with feminism. Women have been educated since the very beginning. In the middle ages, the nuns ran schools for girls while the monks ran schools for boys, for example. American has a long history of educating women. Even Anne of Green Gables goes off to college.

What feminism did is open up traditionally male schools to women and increase the number of women studying the STEM subjects through quotas. This was supposed to raise the quality of education for women, but all it did was lower the quality for men. Anne was arguably better educated than your modern liberal arts majorette.

LOL seriously?! So men OWN jobs and education because of what other men from the past did, because it’s his “birthright”? That’s called entitlement.

It was men’s curse.

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

This Way to See the Great Egress!

Heh heh, we’ve come up with a plan to circumvent that!

Good point B&G. I forgot that there were whole threads which said that women had access to education before feminism.

Avenger,

Renee is a typical example of a lamebrained female. She first says that she knows NOTHING about the Bible and the Patriarchs(which incidently are not confined to the Hebrew Bible) but then goes on to tell all about it. Typical female behaviour. They know nothing about a subject and then want to pose as experts lol

Dear Avenger I never said I was an expert, nor did I say that I knew nothing about the Bible. I may not have read the ENTIRE Bible and can’t quote scripture by heart, but I’m not clueless about it.

I said that I don’t remember God or Jesus in the Bible saying that men should be over women society-wise, and I’m not talking about the household but society in general. Nor was I taught that. What I mentioned (sex and the husband being the head of the household) was what I read in the Bible and what I was taught.

Her first duty, however, is to be to her husband & children. Her work is to be secondary.

She is to be his helpmeet, not his competitor. And, he is supposed to rule over her.

That’s right, Fedrz. And the Proverbs 31 woman is the idealized Christian woman, who is meant to be an example to us all.

I forgot that there were whole threads which said that women had access to education before feminism.

Yes, what happened in the last century wasn’t that women began to be educated, but rather that the system of higher education opened up to the lower classes. Education used to be the domain of the wealthy.

Community colleges are arguably the biggest change to the education landscape in a long time, and are having an enormous impact.

“Renee: Oh wait, they wouldn’t even get to be on the streets, they would have to live in the woods right?”

That probably depends on whether the woods happen to be within the boundaries of a country or territory that is unpopulated now, in the past, and unlikely to be of any interest for population in the future. I think there’s an island that’s empty next to the one owned by David Copperfield.

If men are given credit for all of the wonderful things that we have because of their inventiveness and mechanical knowledge they used to create them, there will be another reason to have a problem or situation at issue – if we went back to teaching, nursing, and secretarial work then the problem would be something else, and so forth. I know that many men are angry about the particular circumstances from their lives that women have created, and rightfully so. But that right extends to the women that have specifically caused their problem. I don’t blame the government because my husband died while doing his job as a member of the military, and I don’t blame his COs, the men who work in other industries, etc. I don’t even blame him because he was doing what he loved and felt he was called to do.

Anyway, there are plenty of specific examples of women that can be blamed. There’s no reason we should be getting so generalized at either end.

LOL seriously?! So men OWN jobs and education because of what other men from the past did, because it’s his “birthright”? That’s called entitlement.

No, that’s called earning something. You know, kinda the way people in the U.S. OWN a democratic government because of what other men in the past did, i.e. dying for it.

Entitlement is women demanding to be allowed to work in men’s jobs, after men spent hundreds of years developing those jobs from brutal,tedious, repetitive physical labor to tasks that can be accomplished by pushing buttons, when they did nothing to establish those jobs.

Finally, I absolutely do not agree with the notion of women having to get married in order to be provided for.

Because then women would have to be decent, respectable people who were worthy of having a nice home and expensive things, right? Wouldn’t want that, that would be a serious handicap for women.

Because based on your idea world, women would be living with their folks until they get married.

Not necessarily. If women were by and large nice people, I’m sure people wouldn’t mind supporting women via charity, as has been done in the past. You don’t actually think a woman’s social status matters to a man looking for a wife,do you? Do you think Mr.Right’s gonna pass you up because you can’t pull 100 grand a year,honey? The opposite is more likely to be true.

Off-topic, but you sound as though you were terrified of your parents.

That’s almost like women revolving their lives around hope of finding a man…which is ridiculous.

Jesus, you are so dense. What you do for sustenance is NOT what your life revolves around. Again, I’m telling you that 95% of women could have a man if they didn’t all think their pussies were worth 75 million in gold bricks. Women are the reason why women can’t find men.

If men invented/created everything then women should just live in the streets right? Because women would take houses, computers, cars, etc. away from men right? Oh wait, they wouldn’t even get to be on the streets, they would have to live in the woods right?

No, I’m saying that women should have a little bit of respect for those facts, AND for men, and get the fuck out of the way if a man needs to get a job done or needs work. I can’t believe one would continuously take such a facetious tone on this issue, it’s cut and dried.

Think of yourself as a guest in a man’s house. Don’t borrow his shit without asking, for fuck’s sake, don’t TAKE his shit and claim it was yours all along, and get the fuck out if he asks you to. That’s it. It’s that simple.

In the past I just thought that society (or men rather) took that part and ran with it Now that I think about it, I should ask ministry leaders or the pastor at my church about this.

While you’re at it, ask them about this:

“1 Corinthians 11:3

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God”

Woman have probably been working for a lot of history. They have not been fighting for equal rights as men though because men had no real rights except the right to starve in the streets from lack of food. Woman are looking for extra rights and qoutas in who hires them and special priveledges and workplaces acting and saying what woman say is ok. If they are equal then they are equal. Why all the masses of laws that cowtow to the pussy when guys have already been mesmerized by pussy and already gave them extra benefits except now even more is required.

Men telling here and there a woman has not a right to vote…(At 2010¡¡)
Men taking literally past, ancient storis at The Bible (which is a Metaphor itself)…
You are all that fundamentalists.

Men telling here and there a woman has not a right to vote…(At 2010¡¡)

That’s right, what are you gonna do about it?

Call the internet police?

We still have the right to freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble,I guess you feminists will just have to work harder at removing those rights. However, until then, we’re going to use them.

Both Adam and Eve were punished and cast out from the garden of eden and cursed in different ways individually. Every word in the Bible is of course open to interpretation, and interpretations are inclined to follow the tendencies in beliefs held by the person doing the interpreting.

None of us were present for this event nor any that preceded our birth. None of us can change what has happened in the past, not even the past from our own lives – what we can do differently is the future and our actions in it.

Renee: it was probably because Eve was acting weird enough to get God’s attention, thus it’s her fault they got in trouble and that trouble was caused by her. It makes sense given women’s need for drama.

””””Renee January 31, 2010 at 10:07
Fedrz,
Your post at January 31, 2010 at 09:42 reminds me of what I recently learned in church.

Did you notice how when Eve ate the fruit, nothing happened. But when Adam ate the fruit, that was when all hell broke loose. Once he ate the fruit, that was when God confronted them. So yeah, maybe you’re right.

””””””

Yea woman basically been getting away with going against the law since biblical times. Kind of like the pimp that got sentanced to 17 years prison and the whores got no punishment. Same as the workplace where a man is responsible when things are fucked up with his job loss and when a woman fucks up again it is a man held responsible with his job loss.

Mark,

If it doesn’t belong to their descendants, who does it belong to?

So the descendants are only men in cases of jobs and education???

I’m not completely opposed to women working in any capacity, nursing, retail, prostitution, farming, those fields are perfectly respectable work for females, but a woman would be much,much better off “working” as a wife and mother.

Prostitution…of course But all kidding aside, I see what you mean. While I’m not going to say that there’s certain jobs that women should stick to, I believe that for those who are wives and mothers, being a wife and mother comes first, everything else comes second.

Msexception.,

it was probably because Eve was acting weird enough to get God’s attention, thus it’s her fault they got in trouble and that trouble was caused by her. It makes sense given women’s need for drama.

I wouldn’t go that far. Both are to blame. Yes Eve ate the friut first but Adam should’ve stuck to his guns. God told him HIMSELF not to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge.

Renee – you should have picked facetious for the last one. I’ll try to leave subtle clues so that I don’t upset anyone while I imply things with what is said to others such as yourself.

Mark,

Yes, I am. It’s a similar situation. One man dies so another man can have something he didn’t, that’s how civilization progresses, like ants crossing a river, one MAN walks in, drowns, then another man walks in and drowns,etc, until finally there is a bridge. Our society took millions of men dying to create. If it doesn’t belong to their descendants, who does it belong to?

But, they men from days past die just so men only can have jobs and education, or was it for a much bigger purpose or idea that included jobs and education?

If I didn’t already know that when most of the men here refer to “modern/today’s women” they aren’t talking about any specific one, I would probably be listing everything that *this* today’s woman does with her time and all of the valuable characteristics posessed.

I’m sure you are a perfectly respectable person, I’m sure your contributions are valuable to the people around you, all I’m saying is that the ones who discover penicillin, split the atom, send people to the moon, and maybe one day cure cancer and aids and find a way for people to live forever all have penises, and if you want that stuff to continue, you can’t be taking those people’s jobs or otherwise forcing them out of doing those things, because all of the major breakthroughs in society have come about because of men, and it will ALWAYS be that way.

So the descendants are only men in cases of jobs and education???

Men are the only ones who MUST work to eat. When you choose to take a man’s job, you are forcing him to live on the street and go hungry. I know that idea doesn’t bother you, because women don’t have souls, but it is a fact.

“Fedrz:
Thanks for giving us a clear example of why the Bible does not allow for women to be Ministers or Elders – the first thing they try to do is minimize or overturn the Truth with Relativism. (Hence I will call this The Law of Eve).

Exception: Over-ruled!”

Adorable.

I don’t see a purpose to worry about things someone else did in the past, but if we’re going to talk Bible, you know there’s a whole new section to it right?

Mark,

Men are the only ones who MUST work to eat. When you choose to take a man’s job, you are forcing him to live on the street and go hungry. I know that idea doesn’t bother you, because women don’t have souls, but it is a fact.

LOL oh ok. I guess there’s no such thing as women having to work to eat. And using you idealogy, another man can take another man’s job, forcing him to live on the streets and go hungry. Is that somehow better? No one forces any to go hungry by simply being hired. That’s like a black person blaming everything on the “white man” if they can’t find a job.

No one forces any…

That should be “anyone”

Fedrz: Just making sure that you’re a man who is qualified to lead us women. Now what sort of sandwich do you want?

…the man who is on welfare and knocks up said chick is a dead beat dad and goes to jail or is publically humiliated.

Remember when receiving welfare was shameful? Single mothers changed that with the help of victim feminists.

probably*

Mark:

So I guess I must have cost men jobs due to the fact that not only do I hold the highest ranking position and the only female to have advanced to that particular departmental level despite the fact that I did it through hard work and demonstrating that I had learned what was needed and was doing the job better even before my promotion than the people who worked within that group already? If they wanted to keep the job they should have done a better job on the work they were assigned, but I was ending up doing their work and mine, which is why I have a job right now and most of them were moved or let go if they weren’t qualified for other positions. If they had been good employees who met the standards and demands that came with their jobs, I would have no problem if they made more or held a higher rank, because they would have earned it.

fedrz: no, but I’m not a mind reader, which is why I’d need to know what kind of sandwich to make you or better yet just tell me what you DON’T want on one unless that list is too long.

Mark, if things were different and life hadn’t gone the way it has, I probably would be pregnant and I know that I definitely would be entirely too busy with my husband and things at home to be on here debating and after a baby I’d stay home instead of working when there were kids under age 5 to look after. Unfortunately that is not the case, and while I am saddened after the loss of what my husband and I had planned for the present time, I prefer to focus on doing what needs to be done and if I’m meant to marry and have children in the time still ahead then I have faith that I’ll see when it’s time.

As for being deliberately confrontational, yes, I have been doing some of that. Not because I want to stir things up. When there’s a response that is informative and has little of the excuses/names/condescending bits, there’s something to be learned usually. I want to understand where people are coming from, what has made them think the way they do, and frankly you men aren’t very easy to get talking about things if it’s a female who is trying to engage you in a discussion.

…and frankly you men aren’t very easy to get talking about things if it’s a female who is trying to engage you in a discussion.

Take it how you like, but most of the men here have no reason to care about making women understand what we think, and often would prefer the women to talk far less and listen far more.

This is, after all, a men’s site, not yet another forum for women’s endless blathering about nonsense they know nothing about.

I find the conversations which are mainly between men to be far more thoughtful and useful than the ones that get over-run with all sort of birds, leaving their crap all over the place.

Most often, women are blathering such useless, distracting crap, that we are intentionally mean to them with the hopes that they will get out of our treefort and leave us boys alone.

It has been my experience, that the females who show up to these kinds of places seem to contribute 99% distracting nonsense, and it would be better if they didn’t talk much at all. Much like everywhere else in society, I might add. There was a reason why, in the past, society provided “Men’s Only” places.

I would like to propose banning women from this blog.

While IQ undoubtedly plays a role in most commercial success, it is far less important than organization (“executive functioning skills”), hard work, and the aggressive ambition that comes from testosterone (the “success hormone”).

Those things tend to go together.

But even excluding geniuses, as IQ increases there are less and less females until you reach the top where females are only 2%.

canadian girl January 30, 2010 at 20:53
“How come no fault divorce is bad for men? I would have thought it would be good for both sides if they did not want to be married that they could get divorced.”

Gents…this is an obvious troll….Welmer? Do you want dumb bitches like this bringing down the tone of your whole site?

Black&German January 31, 2010 at 07:42
“Fathers do walk away from their families believe it or not.”
In the small minority actually. Women cause the divorce between 70-90% of the time depending on which survey you read. Women are being offered ‘babies and money sans husband’ and they are taking it in droves. Women can’t count. They can’t understand stats, they also can’t understand that actions have consequences.

Black&German January 31, 2010 at 08:07
“But an intact family does better than either alone.”
Actually, no, single father families have a lower incarceration rate and delinquency rate than even in tact families.

As far as life without feminism goes. Guvments require your consent to govern you. Just tell them to fuck off. It’s easy. “I DO NOT CONSENT”. Anything after that you can defend as a sovereign should you wish to. There is plenty of case history of shooting and killing peace officers who are trying to assault and kidnap a sovereign without due process.

Welmer, dude. You gotta take a look at your adds. The one now is ‘how to survive cheating’ with an ugly unhappy woman on it. I almost feel like clicking 10x to make them get pay you from google!! But men can’t cheat as far as I am concerned. If a wife is not putting out the man should get what he needs elsewhere because loyalty and monogamy is no longer valued by women.

GM,

Child support is voluntary and I don’t volunteer. By the way. Her body, her choice, her child, her bill. I encourage all men to refuse to volunteer to pay child support.

But this way of thinking causes subsidization doesn’t it? If biological fathers paid child support, would we still have this problem or would it be as bad? And I’m focusing on situations in which a child was conceived because neither of the people involved took proper percautions, not because of any scheming involved.

My question is, would you rather a woman get a abortion if the male involved doesn’t want to the child. If conception was by accident (personally I believe noone is born by accident since God ordains life, but that’s another topic), then shouldn’t BOTH parties take responsibility?

””””’Renee January 31, 2010 at 15:48
And I’m aware that taking responsibility isn’t JUST paying child support.
””””

Sure you were. Well what if one party doesn’t want the kid and one party does?

What should happen then?

””””then shouldn’t BOTH parties take responsibility?
”””””

The answer is no both parties should not take responsibility for one party not having an abortion and choosing to have a kid.

Fedrz,

Either we restrain ourselves sexually, and encourage life long monagomy, or we give ourselves sexual freedom, and cause so many social problems, that the government needs to come in and force totalitarianism upon us – which is what No Fault Divorce, and Child Support does to men.

I agree.

The best interests of the child argument is getting old. The best interests of the child are to stay in an intact two parent heterosexual family, and further, the best interests of the child is that they inherent a stable, functioning society from us.

Of course. But sometimes divorce or break-up is the best option in a toxic/unhealthy/harmful marriage or relationship. But I’m sure you know that. Not saying that it’s fine for women to keep their children away from their fathers for no good reason.

fedrz: Genesis is based on oral legends which does not mean they are lies but just oral histories which were then put down on scrolls (probably originally animal skins) The story about the flood in Genesis is probably about the Black Sea flood and is not in the mid East at all. — Avenger

I didn’t say it was a lie, but that it was a parable.

There is no doubt that things like the Flood Story re. Noah comes from the Sumerian story about Gilgamesh, which pre-dates Biblical Texts by several centuries, and further than that, the Gilgamesh “story” is predated by any known texts by the oral tradition – how far, who knows. The story of Gilgamesh is, so far, the oldest story known to man – the first story, as it were. There are many theories about the flood, but the most credible one I’ve seen is the virtual global one that occured at around 12,000 BC, at the end of the Pleistoscene Ice Age, and caused all of the ocean levels to rise some 400 ft, covering all of the continental shelves. Almost every religion around the world has some sort of tale or legend of a flood, or coming from a land that sank beneath the sea. Doesn’t matter which continent you go to… obviously there is a twinkling of rememberance of something that happened.

Abram himself left what was the remnants of Sumeria, and Sumeria was the first civilization to come into existence. Sumerian texts also show The King List which illustrates human life-span shortening, in exactly the same fashion as the Bible describes, and also, there is text referring to the “counfound of the tongues,” similar to the Tower of Babel. The Sumerians, btw, nobody knows where they came from. They just “showed up” from somewhere to the north, and poof, there was the first civilization. But, this is the civilization in which Noah’s descendendants, including Abram, lived. In fact, if one were to take the Bible literally, Abram was 50 years old when Noah died.

Also, remember that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Well, most likely, although it does appear that there is more than one author, because of different writing styles.

But, the Pentateuch did not get written until the Israelites left Egypt, at around 1300BC, after being enslaved for something like 400 years (I’d have to check that number 400). Moses was also raised in Pharoah’s court, according to the Bible, after he was rescued from the Nile… so, it is safe to say that Moses was educated by the Pharoah’s priests, and was familiar with Egyptian religion.

This is why, it is suspected, that there are so many similarities between Egypt and what is laid forth in the Bible.

For instance, the dimensions laid out for the Temple to be built in Jerusalem were pretty much an exact replica of the Temple of Ra. Also, when the Israelites were wandering through the desert with the Ark, they set up their religion in a similar fashion the Egyptians – In Egypt, there were three “courts” to the temples. The outer court for the common people, the inner court for the priest class, and the inner sanctum was accessible only to the highest priests. This is the same as how the Israelites worshipped at the Tabernacle. The outer court for the commoners, the inner court for the Levites/Priest class, and the Ark was held in the inner sanctum, accessible only to the top priests.

There are just so many similarities like this throughout the Bible, that I could write an entire book on it.

However, it does not mean that the Bible is bunk.

There is something about the Bible, a knowledge about humankind, that obviously exceeds much of what we know even today – for example, what I mentioned about its apparent knowledge of the differences in the male and female brain. Further, when you examine the specific phraseology of the ancient Hebrew texts, you will find even more revelations, about how things like Soddom and Gommorah were the only two cities of the area that were indicated to be feminine (as indicated by language, as in French’s masculine & feminine) and also things like all of the worst of the demons mentioned, were female names, not male. They were very aware of the dangers of unrestrained sexuality, and who controlled sexuality. But then, Sumeria/Babylon was notorious for unrestrained sexuality, so maybe it was just obvious after a while.

It’s a fascinating subjecting, and one I quite enjoy researching. But, it is pretty hard to take at least the first parts of Genesis as literal, since similar texts are found elsewhere which predate it. It doesn’t mean it is garbage though.

canadian girl January 30, 2010 at 20:53
“How come no fault divorce is bad for men? I would have thought it would be good for both sides if they did not want to be married that they could get divorced.”
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No fault divorce is like trying to run a successful business in an environment where the government refuses to enforce contracts.

ok, new plan: scrap the current system, establish a straight across the board policy where everyone has the same rules and the same rights without special exclusions or rewards given through side deals or in back room meetings – for the legal system at least – and eliminate any reason for the problematic factions to exist.

Everyone will have to work for the things they want be it a good education, a particular job – the wife/husband and a couple of kids part will need to be encouraged (at least for those with higher intelligence because we need to see an increase in offspring with good potential for rebuilding society, finding cures, inventing things, and solving the many problems we’re facing in general.) – but it won’t be mandatory, since everyone will have the life that they choose with the work they’re willing to put into it.

Idealistic, yes. Easy, no. Complicated in ways that have not been expressed here because it’s only a general framework to start with, yes.

Mark January 31, 2010 at 10:41
So the descendants are only men in cases of jobs and education???

Men are the only ones who MUST work to eat. When you choose to take a man’s job, you are forcing him to live on the street and go hungry. I know that idea doesn’t bother you, because women don’t have souls, but it is a fact.
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A woman has three choices. Work to eat, marry to eat or, starve to death. Men only have two of those choices; work to eat or starve to death.

exactly if you need to divorce do it should be free to do so but you don’t get reward money to do it.

Looking at our current society, it isn’t as if the vows mean what they used to. What is the average life span of a marrige now, compared to marriage perhaps one hundred years ago?

Gunslinger,

Well welmer fuck marriage.

I made a few vows to my

second wife

I will keep.

Wait….what???

For a moment there, Renee, I thought you had become Firepower.

Uh, I meant to name only 3 and then got carried away to 5. LOL.

Renee January 31, 2010 at 15:47
“My question is”
Who cares what your question is bitch. Fuck off and ask it on the feministing.com echo chamber. There are men talking here.

Gunslingergregi February 1, 2010 at 00:10
“I made a few vows to my second wife I will keep.”
Some men never learn. ALL women are the same dude. Get rid of the woman before it’s too late.

Black&German February 1, 2010 at 10:54
“The current statistics only point toward the conclusion that single fathers are generally better for their children than single mothers or remarried parents.”
No. Stats I saw that are now taken down clearly show children of single father households significantly outperforming in tact familys. That is the natural father is in the house. This is because men do the best job and women bring the level down from there. Yes B&G, men make better parents than women if measured by tjhe incarceration rate or delinquency rate of the children. Guess what. These numbers are hidden by your femnazi guvments because they refute the entire basis of mother custody. If the people here want it I can post an entire BOOK on the case for father only custody.

And the question was already answered so…..

Gunslinger,

Fuck traditional marriage. My wife supports herself and child. She will be supporting me when I get home. he he he

Welcome to the new paradigm. Then in my future work I do it will only be work to get ahead of game as the game of basic needs and supporting a family including me is already taken care of by my woman.

I’m sorry but you’re not making much sense. Do you mean financially your wife supports herself and her child, not you included? And what do you mean “when you get home”…home from where? And what do you mean by future work, are you unemployed now? And when you do work, based on what you said, you’ll still be supporting your family, while still being taken care of (financially?) by your woman?

Could you please elaborate for me here.

Avenger February 1, 2010 at 18:43
“Gunslinger, your 2nd wife? So you’re a 2 time loser then haha”

Yep…he is. He thinks his wife will be an ‘equal’? Sure…

But I know where he is coming from because I was going down that path again with ‘Ms. Perfect’. If she didn’t treat me exactly like my wife did so soon on I might have dug myself another hole like GS has. It was the fact she was using the exact same phrases as my ex that tipped me to the programming. Of course her take was ‘you are not over your ex yet, you are angry and bitter.’

No sweetie, I heard those phrases before and I didn’t like what came next.

A 2nd wife is the triumph of hope and delusion over logic, reason, intelligence and experience.

”””””Globalman February 2, 2010 at 09:14
A 2nd wife is the triumph of hope and delusion over logic, reason, intelligence and experience.

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possible but neither marriage was to an american woman and I didn’t get anything but a hurt heart from the first one but yea it still hurt but a man and a woman can break up without needing money from the other. I believe people should be allowed to divorce just not continue to recieve benefit from the other person.

””””’ Avenger February 1, 2010 at 18:43
Gunslinger, your 2nd wife? So you’re a 2 time loser then haha
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not the american version ya bastich he he he

”””’I’m sorry but you’re not making much sense. Do you mean financially your wife supports herself and her child, not you included? ””””

Yes.

””””’ And what do you mean “when you get home”…home from where? ”””’

Was in iraq kuwait 5 years temporarily in states.

”””””’And what do you mean by future work, are you unemployed now?”””’
Yup not doing shit for work

”””’ And when you do work, based on what you said, you’ll still be supporting your family, while still being taken care of (financially?) by your woman?
””””””

not supporting family just saving money to give family a nice fat raise in paycheck. My woman at that time will give me the gift of not having to spend a dime of the money I make so therefore if I decide to work 100 percent of it will go to saving.

This is the competition if the love life of americans goes global might be time for woman in us to get their shit together.

GM,

You are so stupid you didn’t notice that my response was who cares what your question is.

And you’re too stupid to realize that obviously YOU cared since you said something about me asking it in the first place.

Here is a question for you. Are you willing to serve on juries to justly try and incarcerate women who commit crimes against men to give those men a path to justice. It’s really easy. Yes or No. Show the men here what you are made of.

I answered this already in another recent thread. My answer is yes.

If I’m called for jury duty for a case of a woman committing crimes against a man and she’s guilty, then my verdict will be guilty and she’ll be sentenced. Simple as that. Anyway, that’s how it’s done here in the States.

Lol, anyway, I can’t think of any person who WANTS to serve jury duty.

Which comes to my other point of what the fuck is school teaching people?

Actually they behead people for fucking up in saudi. They are actually quite civilized about it. They don’t put people in cages for life like the west does normally. I think they actually believe in god and that it is his right to judge and punish hence the swift death for capital crimes. So innocent guilty doesn’t matter quite so much since you won’t rot on deat row for years and years until finally killed.

For a little bit then head gone and bliss and then you can thank god for that he he he

Watch rambo iii and it was dedicated to the valiant afgani people fighting the evil russians.

Fast forward in time and now they are terrorists.

”””renee ’I’m sorry but you’re not making much sense. Do you mean financially your wife supports herself and her child, not you included? ””””

Gunslingergregi
Yes.
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”””””renee And I don’t see how I’m a slave in the west for believing that parents should financially support their child. And I don’t mean a child that you didn’t want or wanted aborted. It’s all about responsibility.””””’

Well it does mean you have internalized the slave handout everything must be exactly equal all the time mentality since I had answered the question.

What???

But what does “begging for scraps from the table instead of buying the table” (whatever that means) have to do with providing for your child?

Renee:

I disagree with this whole idea of one sex being superior than the other. I know that in the Bible the husband is the head of the household, but that applies to the husband/father. And being the head of the household doesn’t mean that you’re superior than the wife/mother. Both sexes are flawed and are better than the other a certain things. We’re meant to compliment each other and are not overall superior than the other.

David: That is one interpretation, and it is one I used to favour myself (complementary roles). However, there are times, and as feminism wends it way through our culture and our churches, there are more and more times, when I actually entertain the notion that women are in fact inferior to men. I think one could make a case scripturally that they are, at least in this world. If you like, I can give you an argument.

I think one can argue, from the perspective of the Christian tradition, that men and women are equal; but I think one could also mount an argument for the inferiority of women as derived beings, created for men, who are unfitted for headship by virtue of their moral and intellectual flaws, made worse after the Fall. I think that the behaviour of feminists, and women in general, in recent times tends to support the latter argument.

I believe that men and women are equal in their souls, and will be so in the afterlife. But, on this earth, I am not so sure.

Gunslinger,
You are making the false assumption that we all care about being rich. Many of us couldn’t give a fig.

David,
The behavior of a lot of modern men leaves quite a bit to be desired, as well. The moral rot is endemic, and not limited to one gender. Some of the men on here are just as corrupt and perverted as many contemporary women. After all, it takes two to tango. Who are all of these sluttish women having sex with? Sluttish men, of course.
They claim “nature” as an excuse for fornication and rampant disregard for human decency, but God doesn’t make exceptions or accept excuses. Fornication (any form of extra-marital sex) is wrong in all instances. But get them to admit that. No, they’re too busy shagging easy women to contemplate the life of moral relativity that they lead.

End rant.

Gunslinger,

I have answered your questions you have not answered mine.

How do you think rich people become rich?

You haven’t answered this one:
But what does “begging for scraps from the table instead of buying the table” (whatever that means) have to do with providing for your child?

How does the rich become rich has nothing to do with what I was asking.

I think a lot of the “misogynistic garbage” is actually flowing out of hurt feelings. Men, and it seems to me particularly American men, overvalue women and expect them to be perfect. When they are not, they overreact in the opposite direction and become true misogynists.

In my view, a proper appraisal of women is crucial to not being disappointed. My life has improved a bit since I stopped expecting so much of my wife morally and intellectually. And she is one of the good ones.

Sometimes I managed to screech while vomiting, but that took some practice. There’s always room for improvement. Never stop learning and all that jazz. The alcohol’s taking effect, so I’ll log off now and save what’s left of my dignity.

I think the sex-crazy Catholic stereotype might also stem from the fact that we’re regularly drunk.

””””””””Black&German February 2, 2010 at 17:51
Gunslinger,
You are making the false assumption that we all care about being rich. Many of us couldn’t give a fig.

David,
The behavior of a lot of modern men leaves quite a bit to be desired, as well. The moral rot is endemic, and not limited to one gender. Some of the men on here are just as corrupt and perverted as many contemporary women. After all, it takes two to tango. Who are all of these sluttish women having sex with? Sluttish men, of course.
They claim “nature” as an excuse for fornication and rampant disregard for human decency, but God doesn’t make exceptions or accept excuses. Fornication (any form of extra-marital sex) is wrong in all instances. But get them to admit that. No, they’re too busy shagging easy women to contemplate the life of moral relativity that they lead.

Black&German February 2, 2010 at 17:58
It is not feminism that is the major cause of our society’s troubles. Rather it is moral relativism and indifference to the plight of others that feeds all of our ills. The idea that different people live by different rules, and that there is no absolute truth. That all humans are created equal, but some are “more equal than others”.
Feminism grows from that line of thinking. But so does a lot of the misandric garbage posted here.

Some of the men on here have the distinct problem of living in a glass house while tossing stones. The hypocrisy can be a bit nauseating at times.

Black&German February 2, 2010 at 17:59
End rant.

Black&German February 2, 2010 at 18:00
I meant “misogynistic garbage”, of course.
””””””””’

Yea but renee is talking about being so worried about the child financially.
Or how a woman financially supporting herself and a child is possible only with the man having to contribute. Yet she has no clue about money or how it works and cannot fathom an actual strong woman who does not need to beg a man for money to take care of a child because they worked as a couple and the man worked himself like a fucking slave 12 hours a day 7 days a week so that his woman and he would be free and able to not worry about raising a child or have any person dictate his families circumstance by needing a job from some outside source to see if his family would eat or not.

The only way on this planet that you will be able to have any chance at having control over how your child will be treated is if you have money.

renee would be a perfect example of why a man needs to raise the bar on a woman proving herself before marriage by getting money together to weed out the weak who would put your child in a situation of lack and expect you to provide all the money and if you didn’t have money would not comprehend why you were not able to give money was because you didn’t make any.

And renee still will not answer the question because she cannot comprehend it but almost any woman can comprehend the man must pay the man must pay.

Gunslinger,
I know that. I’ve just been itching to make that rant for a while and David provided the perfect excuse. It’s his fault.

David,
the best thing is to largely ignore their moods
Another benefit of NFP: you always know when your wife has PMS. When I get like this, my husband’s eyes just sort of glaze over, I can practically hear the elevator music playing in his head, and he his communication lowers to standby “Uh, huh. Yeah. Uh, huh. Mm, hm.”

I don’t know, Black&German, my wife doesn’t say “I have PMS” even when she pretty clearly does. And sometimes she is sort of like that even when her hormones should be humming along nicely. And then sometimes she gets really girly, I suppose when she is ovulating or some darn thing. When she is in that mood, she is liable to tell me that I am her Daddy as well as her Husband. Oh, dear … I suspect that’s when she wants to be spanked. She told me last night that she hadn’t been spanked recently, so there! [Well, not for a whole two weeks.]

Really, women make very little sense a lot of the time. At the risk of irritating you in your current state, the Muslims believe that woman’s mind was clouded by the Fall. I sometimes think they have a point.

The only thing that works is to be the fixed point in her merry-go-round of emotions and try to enjoy the show.

”””””’b&g,
You are making the false assumption that we all care about being rich. Many of us couldn’t give a fig.”””””””””

Well if I wouldn’t have saved money my wife would be dead. I am pretty sure the woman on here can understand that. Operations cost money and when you don’t get one you die. Without money you don’t get free operation. Having or not having money can be the diference between life and death. How much do you care about your family again? How much do you love your kids?

Gunslinger, it’s one thing to have some money, it’s another to be rich. You don’t have to be a millionaire to have money or to have quality health insurance.

Funny that we’re discussing menstruation on a men’s site.

The only thing that works is to be the fixed point in her merry-go-round of emotions and try to enjoy the show.

Or plan your business trips accordingly. Grrrr.

I think I’m honest and self-aware to a fault. It’s unusual for a woman to admit that she’s got PMS. Most are embarrassed to admit that it makes them a little bit psycho, even if they know it’s true.
I totally sold out the sisterhood by owning up to it.

And then sometimes she gets really girly, I suppose when she is ovulating or some darn thing.

Yeah, ovulation will do that. She’ll also dress a bit nicer and act more flirtatious. You guys think women are crazy, but we’re actually extremely predictable, like clockwork. It’s the irregular menstruating ones that are really scary. The storm could hit at any time with no advanced warning.

No, no, no, B&G. You women are not predictable. As you say, you are totally predictable, except when you are not. As we say in Oz, women are as silly as a two-bob watch.

The only solution is to largely ignore whatever the crazy bint is saying, and give her what she needs rather than what she “wants”; which is sometimes kindness, sometimes a good cool ignoring, and sometimes a talking to like a Victorian patriarch!

”””David February 2, 2010 at 18:29
I think a lot of the “misogynistic garbage” is actually flowing out of hurt feelings. Men, and it seems to me particularly American men, overvalue women and expect them to be perfect. When they are not, they overreact in the opposite direction and become true misogynists.
”””””’

Naa it is when you meet foreign woman and they are perfect and you keep trying to wake up from a dream. American men expect almost nothing from american woman in the workplace or anywhere else.

They run to defense even when the woman is wrong.

Funny shit.

But yea how is a woman supposed to become strong if she is rescued from even her bullshit.

Gunslingergregi February 2, 2010 at 11:42
”””””’Renee February 2, 2010 at 11:15
Gunslinger,

…not supporting family just saving money to give family a nice fat raise in paycheck.

What do you mean?

A couple more questions. Why not also support your child, not both your wife and child, but just your child? If you’re not working now, how do you support yourself?

I take it you don’t live in the states.
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How old are you?

””””””Why not also support your child, not both your wife and child, but just your child? If you’re not working now, how do you support yourself?””””””””””””

These questions only make sense to a woman in the west who is a slave.

Read up on some of my past posts for life history lessons and how to become free.
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Ever get the feeling you are being interviewed?

Renee February 2, 2010 at 13:14

“I think it’s pretty telling for a few guys here how they talk of moving to places like Saudi Arabia. Isn’t Saudi Arabia notorious for it’s treatment of women?”

Many men in Saudi Arabia adore women, they just don’t have the patience to put up with women’s shit.

PMS as a syndrome is most common in North America and nearly unheard of in Asia (after NA I think England is the country with the next highest number of reported cases). Which makes me think that it’s lifestyle or diet related, or that North American women are more high strung….

It’s a good idea I think, to learn to recognize the signs of an oncoming hissy fit and take preventative action, be it to go for a walk or go to the gym, put on a movie…do something when you feel that odd buzz in your head that comes before a supremely antsy mood/blowup. Not letting your blood sugar get too low helps, as well as getting enough sleep.

/Aunty Crella’s PMS advice. Now, back to our regular programming

David February 2, 2010 at 18:39
I think you can see why a lot of men just decide that women are impossible to understand…

May I interject…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP4N27kbMdk
…I always understood it as them never knowing what they want. Oh, and they like shiny things. I think that’s it…Ok carry on

Kathy February 2, 2010 at 23:08
PMS is very real for many women Crella, and is not always lifestyle or diet related.
Whilst I may make a joke of it like many others do , (hey if ya can’t laugh at yourself……..;) ) in reality monthly periods are a pain in the butt!

I have, since I was thirteen had exceptionally heavy periods.. (Boys shut your eyes.. this is for Crella). On the first night I am up every two hours, changing pad and (super tampon)- doesn’t make for a good night’s sleep. Consequently I can be a bit irritable, the next day.

A few days before I get my period I usually get stomach pain and feeling of discomfit. It has been ever thus, no matter what I eat or drink (wine now) I have been working out an hour a day since I was twenty, makes no difference.
Even the doctor said my period was heavier than most women. My mother ’s was the same

Fortunately I eat a sufficient amout of lean red meat so have not suffered from anemia like my mother once did.
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For PMS,and a period, try valerian root extract.

You are too funny B&G. But right on the money honey

Kathy, it’s so nice to have some other Papists on here. A bit of lewdness is funny. And what’s wrong with getting properly plastered every once in while?

Which makes me think that it’s lifestyle or diet related

I think our hormones are generally out of whack. We begin menstruation years earlier, our breasts are unusually large, and we generally suffer more during pregnancy. In Bavaria, the maternity wards are full of women (like myself) who vomit so much that they become severely dehydrated and end up being brought to the hospital unconscious. It’s called Hyperemesis gravidarum. Room upon room of women on IVs, heavily medicated, and confined to bed rest. I don’t think there’s as much of that in other countries, either. Or maybe women like that just die off there, and take their PMS with them when they go.

Perhaps it’s our higher testosterone levels? Or diet? Or the steroids in the water supply? This is an interesting study about women from various countries. In a lot of third-world countries, women rarely have their period because they alternate breastfeeding and pregnancy their whole fertile lives. Some American women are taking the pill non-stop to get rid of it.

Robert,

Many men in Saudi Arabia adore women, they just don’t have the patience to put up with women’s shit.

So this is an excuse to disregard a woman’s testimony in court, forbid women to drive/ride bikes and motorbikes, to go anywhere without a male relative, etc. They basically have to get permission from their male guardian to do the most basic things. How is that ok?

So then women have to put up with male shit?

David at February 2, 2010 at 16:59,

I think one can argue, from the perspective of the Christian tradition, that men and women are equal; but I think one could also mount an argument for the inferiority of women as derived beings, created for men, who are unfitted for headship by virtue of their moral and intellectual flaws, made worse after the Fall. I think that the behaviour of feminists, and women in general, in recent times tends to support the latter argument.

B&G at February 2, 2010 at 17:51, and David at February 2, 2010 at 20:42,
THANK. YOU. My God….I seriously thought I was the only one here (who isn’t a visitor) that felt this way. I have seen posts from men on blogs like Roissy and a couple from here claiming that either men aren’t sluts, or that it’s impossible for men to be considered sluts. Seriously.

Globalman,

Go back and read what you just posted and tell me again that you are not bitter and angry. Everything you write sounds like one long scream. Those are not the words of a happy and contented man. Sorry, but it’s painfully obvious that there’s very little true joy in your life. Too many women, too little peace.

You love eastern women like I love pizza. Don’t patronize me. And in case it you hadn’t noticed, the Bible is no longer the law of the land, is it? If it were, we wouldn’t be in this crappy situation in the first place.

Renee,

You’re not the only one, we might even be in the majority. The rest of us just get tired of repeating ourselves like broken records to people who don’t care. There are also a lot of men on here, that have sworn off women altogether.

Germany is one of the worst btw.

Not if, like Globalman, you just want an easy lay with someone willing to do all sorts of nasty stuff.

Black&German February 3, 2010 at 11:47
“Not if, like Globalman, you just want an easy lay with someone willing to do all sorts of nasty stuff.”
He was referring to the german women and nope, I wouldn’t touch a german woman now either. Eastern chicks only need apply.

And ‘nasty stuff’? How derogatory against your fellow women. I have never forced a woman to do anything against her will. And far from ‘nasty’ most of the women I have dated have said to me that they have never met a man so gentlemanly as me. Apparently the reason I am a little sought after is that word has gotten around that I am available and women are trying to close the deal on marriage with me. But please note…I’ve had 4 favs in 20 months, two are no longer in the picture…and I enjoyed the delights of about 15 other women, some only once as they were no good. I am considered pretty conservative by the younger guys who know me. This is were ‘liberation’ leads women….right to my dinner table. I think it’s really good.

As for ‘an easy lay’. Sure. I’d much rather have an easy lay with a beautiful woman than to be struggling for weeks or months to get my wife to have bad sex with me. Are you still in denial B&G that being married is now crap for most men and we are far better off being single?

”””Munster,
Oh, and they like shiny things. I think that’s it…Ok carry on ”””””

This is all you really need to know actually lol

Renee February 3, 2010 at 07:21
“A little more about women’s rights in Saudi Arabia:”
Women don’t have rights in Saudi Arabia. Why should they? Their husband pretty much owns them and HE carries the obligations to make sure she is taken care of. If a man does not take care of his wife he can be publicly whipped. In return for his protection and provision she is required to obey him and to defer to his decisions. This works very well because women are children and they need an adult to tell them what to do. It used to be the same in christianity…hence the marriage vow used to be ‘love honour and obey’. You don’t get rights without obligations and responsibility.

Wimmins rights have bestowed adult rights on women without adult obligations and responsibility which is why the west is collapsing.

Globalman February 3, 2010 at 15:07
Wimmins rights have bestowed adult rights on women without adult obligations and responsibility which is why the west is collapsing.

Well said.

” Apparently the reason I am a little sought after is that word has gotten around that I am available and women are trying to close the deal on marriage with me”

“But please note…I’ve had 4 favs in 20 months, two are no longer in the picture…and I enjoyed the delights of about 15 other women, some only once as they were no good.” Hmmmm..

“You love eastern women like I love pizza.”

Indeed, B&G!

Renee February 3, 2010 at 07:15
&

Renee February 3, 2010 at 07:21

Ever hear of feminist jurisprudence in the states?

The reason for women not being allowed to do some things there is for the woman’s protection.

Oh, my bad, You’re referring to your interviwer. Dam, I need to find a way of getting more sleep. These 16 hour+ nighst/days are hell.

As for American feminist jurisprudence;

“American feminist jurisprudence is the study of the construction and workings of the law from perspectives which foreground the implications of the law for women and women’s lives. . . On all . . levels, feminist scholars, lawyers, and activists raise questions about the meaning and the impact of law on women’s lives. Feminist jurisprudence seeks to analyze and redress more traditional legal theory and practice. It focuses on the ways in which law has been structured (sometimes unwittingly) that deny the experiences and needs of women. Feminist jurisprudence claims that patriarchy (the system of interconnected relations and institutions that oppress women) infuses the legal system and all its workings, and that this is an unacceptable state of affairs. Consequently, feminist jurisprudence is not politically neutral, but a normative approach . . .”

http://www.iep.utm.edu/jurisfem/print/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/foucfem/print/

Welmer, I don’t know, if this is possible; but, could you do something about the google ads? The one that showed up, while I accessed this page reads, “Spoil her, this Valentines Day.” Not quite the thing that show up on this website…

menareangrynow February 4, 2010 at 05:14
Welmer, I don’t know, if this is possible; but, could you do something about the google ads? The one that showed up, while I accessed this page reads, “Spoil her, this Valentines Day.” Not quite the thing that show up on this website…
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Another men’s blog? Cool!

They set you up same as Americans. I was engaged to a lawyer/judge though, also her mother was feminist leader over there. The other women inknew over there were either low class skanks, or they were mangina makers. I could of married her and got her for alimony, I decided to leave the day after she threatened to call the cops on me and claim abuse. The reason/ I wasn’t coming home directly after to work to clean up after her. She went from a 10 to about a 4 from excessive chocolate and milk. The rest of the women did the same shit. I lived in Rheinland pfalz.

Robert, I’m glad you’re exited about my site.

Migu, du sprechst Deutch, ja? Wie sind Maennerrechten in Deutchland? Du werdst da, so ich wolle dein Meinung horen. Kennst du des Recht Deutschland?

Robert February 4, 2010 at 04:58
“In Saudi Arabia, if a woman gets raped, she is stoned to death. The reasoning is; if she had been with a male member of her family, or husband, she would not have been raped.”
Robert. This is not true. Women are rarely stoned to death for being raped in Saudi. The usual penalty is 12-24 months in jail. Very occasionally a womans family might stone her to death but the state will not.

Yes. The thinking is that if the women was with a male family member she would not be raped. That is how most ‘abuse’ happens in saudi. The women slipping away to have ‘affairs’ and then getting ‘raped’ by the very man they were having an affair with.

The family men are so ‘oppressive’ of their women they are expected to fight to the death to defend the woman. Western women have no idea what life is like in place like saudi. There is no police force to talk of. Law and order is maintained by the men of the family.

By the way…FAR more human rights abuses happen to fathers ejected from the home than happens to saudi women. Saudio women, when obedient, are prized.

menareangrynow February 4, 2010 at 06:14
Robert, I’m glad you’re exited about my site.

(Y) Very excited.

GM,

Robert. This is not true. Women are rarely stoned to death for being raped in Saudi. The usual penalty is 12-24 months in jail. Very occasionally a womans family might stone her to death but the state will not.

Oh so a woman who was raped should spend time in jail for being raped? No big deal? Oh and it’s alright for the woman’s very own family to stone her to death for being raped right…as long as it’s not the state? This proved my point.

Yes. The thinking is that if the women was with a male family member she would not be raped. That is how most ‘abuse’ happens in saudi. The women slipping away to have ‘affairs’ and then getting ‘raped’ by the very man they were having an affair with.

MY GOD. What makes you think that having affairs is the only reason why a woman would be by herself? What makes you think that her rapist is the guy she was having the affair with? No one should be punished or killed for being raped. Whatever happened to punishing the actual criminal…the rapist? So I guess it was the woman’s fault for being raped since she dared to be outside by herself. I guess over there, men and women believe that ALL other men who aren’t in their family/nationality/religion are evil right?

The family men are so ‘oppressive’ of their women they are expected to fight to the death to defend the woman. Western women have no idea what life is like in place like saudi. There is no police force to talk of. Law and order is maintained by the men of the family.

And you get what I mentioned in my post. But hey you think that’s a good thing.

By the way…FAR more human rights abuses happen to fathers ejected from the home than happens to saudi women. Saudio women, when obedient, are prized.

Hmmmm, I’ll leave that alone. And anyway….”when obedient”….I wonder what a woman not being obedient means in Saudi Arabia…..

Oh so a woman who was raped should spend time in jail for being raped? No big deal?

She doesn’t go to jail for being raped, she goes to jail for going out unescorted. One purpose of the law is to protect women against rape.

Even if a woman is a victim of a crime, she should go to jail for being unescorted…right.

A guy robs a liquor store, but gets mugged on his way home losing all the money.

Should he go to jail for robbing the liquor store – even though he was the victim of a crime?

Thanks, Kathy. A useful reminder.

@ Renee

You’ve gotten a taste of what men have had to endure from the vast majority of your gender for years.

BEING TREATED LIKE SHIT BECAUSE OF OUR GENDER.

Doesn’t feel good, doesn’t it? I’m saying you deserve it, but you do need it.

And hopefully you’ll apply this lesson in realspace when interacting with men and feminized women in the future.

I live Life Without Feminism every single day.

I moved to Asia.

Try it, it is very liberating!

@Migu

Alright, we’ll stick to English then.

I’m glad to hear that at least somethings are better there. It shows us how to reform, after all. I’m sorry to hear that you had some bad experiences, though.

Have you heard of the Männerpartei? It looks promising, actually. At the very least, they’re organized.

”””””’MGTOW,
All men need to do now is self-preservation through knowledge. One of the main steps to achieve this is avoiding marriage. Most men can cope fine staying unmarried. Not so for the women who lament the worsening husband drought.
””””””””””’

Yea it is going to be individual men who claim their rights in everyday situations.

”””””’Kathy
On second thoughts, let me make the sandwich. I AM good for something ya know ”””””””

See that is all woman really want to do is take care of men and get fuck but they always need a man to pair off with neither kathy nor bmg have a man on here so they got a little frustrated no big deal

And like Kathy said you can always ignore them.

Truth.

Best thing to do is one guy uses them for what they are there for to make life comfortable for a man. It is what they do.

“Dave just using some game on bmgs blog to get himself an e harem together.”

What good is an e-harem?

”””’The entire post is in reference to the specific argument here at the Spearhead, where B&G was way over the top – and half the comments are about calling the people at the Spearhead misogynists. Come off it now. ””””””””’

Exactly it is stupid for woman to talk about misogynists when all the laws are against men and when woman break the law they get almost no punishment. So yea pretty pathetic but that is why you got to expect more from woman and ive no rewards so people can learn whats up ignore is probably the best route. It is not all woman men talk about here normally just western woman under western laws other woman tend to be fine and of course western woman gonna resent that but they have no defense because it is the truth and you can do nothing against the truth to make it go away. Sure you can try to make a commotion to distract from it. The truth will always be there like the gorilla in the room. Western woman can fuck up your life and leave you to an option of be a slave or kill.

So dave I said could not would but you do have to be carefull because if you think the internet is some innocent thing where you could not develope a real relationship you are wrong.

fedrz

I find women interesting, OK. I am interested in their views as well as their behaviour.

I am familiar with Weininger (who is not infallible by the way, a self-hating Jew who killed himself young, if I recall). I also have Schopenhauer’s essay at home. I have actually published two pieces of work on evolutionary signalling in the human female.

A couple of other points. I am not trying to “game” these women, so I don’t care if I am doing it wrong. The only woman I need to game is my wife. Yes, she gives me trouble. She is right now, actually. But we have been married for 24 years and, like I said, she still irons my shirts and fixes my clothes. And that is something. I read Roosh V lately boasting of his latest conquests, and he remarked that he had to go off and do his laundry. If he had better “game”, he’d have a woman doing that for him…

As for watching what women do, I like some of what B&G and Kathy write. Does writing count as doing? You complain, I assume, about what feminists have written. Here we have women writing anti-feminist statements. You are mighty hard to please, it seems to me.

And I was being a bit disingenous in my recent post answering Gunslingergregi. I do get a buzz out of patronising women, even electronically. So, shoot me.

Man, I was being a male chauvinist probably before you were born. At the age of 4, I am told, I pushed an ashtray away in a restaurant with the words, “The women in our family don’t smoke.” I used to wonder why people found that so funny. Now I realise it was the sight of a little boy speaking for his womenfolk.

What I did for these ladies (chicks, birds, broads, babes, whatever you prefer) was mostly simple human politeness. That was my point about crudity. I don’t mind bluntness. This is a men’s forum. But I object to bad manners.

””””’fedrz February 8, 2010 at 18:08
Whatever David, and btw, I am hardly some young guy running around trying to score chicks. There are men here who use game to enhance their marriage – check Hawaiian Libertarian. I don’t really care if you don’t like the way women get spoken of here, nor the way your constant pleading for them comes across and gets increasingly referenced to in a crude manner. Deal with it.
”””””””

Last I checked I am the only guy around who has his wife to the point where she supports herself financially he he he

She is also the same one who washed my clothes by hand daily.

Trying to make other men see the light of just how much woman can take care of when a man provides:

Purpose: I don’t want to work.
Direction: Make it so I can be with her and just hang out all day.
Motivation: Sex, and love and future kids/marriage.

””””I read Roosh V lately boasting of his latest conquests, and he remarked that he had to go off and do his laundry. If he had better “game”, he’d have a woman doing that for him…”””’

I found that interesting as well. To keep a womans interest you must be her career. If you are pumping and dumping I suppose she won’t be doing your laundry but if together more than a couple days then yea.

”””’It is nice to have lots of women to service you. I remember a few times coming home on airplanes from business trips, and thinking, this is good, I have pretty stewardesses serving me on the plane, I had a woman book my flight, my wife will take and do my laundry when I get home. Ah, I suppose I felt like an alpha male …”””

It can help with finances too. I am still in states and got a girlfriend to chill with. I spent 600 dollars last month total. When I had my own apartment I spent 700 for apartment and cable and phone. Plus the chick takes care of everything I don’t like doing which is everything I don’t want to do which is everything right now that doesn’t involve me chilling.

It’s interesting to watch how women operate. The technique is a simple one. Engage through comments that provoke an emotional response (agreeable or inflammatory) and then establish a conversation. One of the very marked differences between men and women commenters is the frequency with which men and women comment: men are more likely to engage in a one-to-one exchange with another, each man taking turns; women tend to post one comment after another, each addressing a different person. In this way she establishes herself as a focus. Men also tend more to address the entire audience and make generalized comments – women hardly ever do this, preferring instead to relate personal details about themselves.

Having established conversations, women then start to dominate them. To maintain their position, all they need do is be especially irrational or dogmatic – purposefully ‘not getting’ what someone is saying – in order to irritate their correspondent. It takes a good while to think through and type out a coherent argument – finally posting it feels a bit like an achievement, almost a gift to someone if addressed specifically to them. Then it gets thrown back in your face. Of course the intention is to anger the writer. Once angered, if he becomes more obnoxious he immediately loses his credibility. And there’s always the added bonus that a white knight might show up and defend the poor lady, even though he’s never defended a guy under similar attack in the past (and likely never will in the future either).

The spanner in the works is refusing to engage them directly and not allowing conversations with them to develop in the first place.

This isn’t the same as ‘don’t feed the troll’ – it’s more like ‘don’t ever use the word “you” with a woman.’ (interestingly, men of centuries past never did – it was reserved for family only. Addressing any other women tended toward using her formal name with title – one of the first things feminists attacked).

Better yet, don’t ever reference women directly at all. This forces you to think more clearly about what it is you want to say, and often gives you enough time to lose that moment of anger that loses you credibility. In speaking to the audience and making generalizations, the opportunity for women to worm their way into an unwanted relationship is reduced. Hopefully it may even frustrate them into fits of anger that will then occasion the one time when responding directly to them is appropriate – notice of being banned.

”””””’Having established conversations, women then start to dominate them. To maintain their position, all they need do is be especially irrational or dogmatic – purposefully ‘not getting’ what someone is saying – in order to irritate their correspondent. It takes a good while to think through and type out a coherent argument – finally posting it feels a bit like an achievement, almost a gift to someone if addressed specifically to them. Then it gets thrown back in your face. Of course the intention is to anger the writer. Once angered, if he becomes more obnoxious he immediately loses his credibility. And there’s always the added bonus that a white knight might show up and defend the poor lady, even though he’s never defended a guy under similar attack in the past (and likely never will in the future either).””””””””’

Yea renee did this and got some saviors but I chose to just not interact with someone that dumb anymore.

Me I wanted to move past working for money to eat.

Probably what we all need to realize is that people want diferent things out of life.

Yes, Gunslingergregi, I see your point. A lot of it is how it is spun. In the older days, women used to be told to be proud to be running the household as mistress of her domain. Then feminists told her she was just a glorified housemaid. My plan would be to put women back to working in the house, which is where I suspect most of them will eventually end up again one day, and this time no bullshit about “mistress of her domain”. Next time, “Welcome back to the kitchen, scullery maid”.

99% of the problem in this whole area is the way words are used to soften reality. Women need to be told stuff – like how much they really depend on men’s protection, forebearance, effort and masculine intellect. As I have said before, there is almost literally nothing that women eat, read, use or wear that a man didn’t invent. (Recently I realised that even most of the best fiction that women read was written by men. They are totally colonised by men, but they can’t see it. Feminists are living in a fairy tale, and we all know how badly they can eventually turn out.)

That is brilliant, and if you expand those thoughts, it is worthy of an article by itself.

Knowing this can be advantageous. For example, women are so deft at avoiding responsibility for their own actions that most men don’t even notice.

How women interact with men, and how they form relationships (of any kind) is certainly worthy of study, because I think all woman’s power arises from relationships and relationship manipulation.

Central to the exponential growth of feminist power in the Anglosphere seems to be the influence of language. English dropped the 2nd person singular ‘thou’ some time around the mid 17th century. What this meant was that people stopped distinguishing between familiars and strangers – something that is still observed in nearly every other European language (and others). That seems to have marked the beginning of a steady erosion of the sense of formality in addressing others, with feminists really going on the attack in the 60s with their assault on titles like Miss and Mrs, replacing it with the ridiculous ‘Ms’ and the now near abandonment of titles altogether. High school teachers where I live are addressed by their students by their first names, and cannot insist on formality – there are no longer any ‘Mr. Jones’ or ‘Sir’ that were common only 30 years ago.

This destruction of formality makes all men accessible to all women for conversation, and so awards women their strongest hand – access to relationships which they can then dominate. Men have traditionally defended themselves from this tactic of women through the use of formality and different modes of address (it also allowed them to talk with each other in a kind of neutral language that minimized emotional entanglements and focused on their common interest). Formality in language had the effect of psychologically respecting individual independence, whereas removing all language constructs that differentiate between people steers them all into thinking they belong to the same ‘herd’ – which is fatal to men.

Another interesting thing about language is how precise it can be in revealing underlying themes. It’s been said often enough here that ’society is women’, a view I fully share. If so, then by language alone the word ’social’ means ‘of the female’, and the word ’socialism’ means ‘female-ism’ or as we prefer to call it, feminism. They are one and the same (as so many have said before, though for different reasons).

If men are to re-establish their place, they need to pay particular attention to language, formality and restricting their accessibility to any women who believes she has a ‘right’ to address him.

I believe that married women in the 19th century used to call their husbands “Mr Smith”, e.g., and vice versa, “Mrs Smith”.

A recent amusing article in Taki’s Magazine, by Taki’s daughter, commented that the men in her powerful family tend to call all the women, “bitch”:

http://www.takimag.com/article/bitch_please/

Obviously language has power, but I think this whole approach is a rather female one. Feminists tend to believe that changing something’s name changes its reality. I think men should know better.

This kind of wordplay is a form of weak scholasticism which I think ultimately leads nowhere.

In my experience, women will tolerate quite a lot of abusive naming, in some circumstances at least. Abusing the women with insulting slang on this site doesn’t seem to have bothered them much.

Even today, quite a few women will accept being known, in some social situations, as Mrs John Smith. I don’t think women are that sensitive to being named. I strongly suspect that an alpha male could get away with more than a beta. Since I became a boss at work, I have felt a lot more comfortable and free in what I say to and about women.

The Man:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29703

And how will you know they are women?

Girl electrons?

Man kept wife as sex slave:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/crime_reporter_man_had_sex_with

Precisely, Crella.

The other one that really puzzles me is the way American women seem to use words to describe the active role in sex in a non-gender-specific way. Women will say that they “fuck” men, that they “got some ass”, even that “they fucked the shit out of” some man. Huh?

Another funny one from The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/how_to_put_the_spark_back_into

Have you noticed that women always want to join men’s conversations, and never the reverse? I just checked the Shield Maiden site and it is pretty dead.

Do you think feminists spend all their time complaining about us men because they have nothing else as fascinating to talk about?

We men are pretty fascinating.

The only thing fascinating about women is their boobs, and legs, and sandwiches.

Sandwiches – another male invention (by Lord Sandwich, 1718-1792):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Montagu,_4th_Earl_of_Sandwich

I have just put down another wifely rebellion. This one lasted about 24 hours. She has capitulated to my masculine charms as usual. Good husband “game” – ignore the silly bitch, laugh at her pretensions, and wait for her hypergamous hormones to kick in.

The silly woman slept in the downstairs bedroom last night. My daughter asked me, “Doesn’t the husband normally sleep on ‘the couch’ after an argument”, to which I replied, “Not in this household.”

”””David February 9, 2010 at 02:37
The Man:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29703
””’
I am ready to retake omaha beach after reading that.