In an Orwellian effort, Spain has proposed setting up a domestic violence tracking system throughout Europe, purportedly to help victims of abuse. However, Spain has already mandated electronic shackling of men subject to restraining orders, which are obtained without due process, so this is far more sinister than it might appear at first glance.
The following gives us a hint of what’s in store:
Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, a self-proclaimed “feminist”, pledged before the European Parliament last week to advance gender equality in the EU and “eliminate the scourge of violence against women”.
Specifically, Equality Minister Bibiana Aido has said the government plans to promote “the creation of a European observatory on domestic violence to gather information, create common tools and be able to make a global diagnostic of the situation.”
This so-called observatory is little more than a police database, obviously, to be used for God knows what.
It is starting to become clear that feminist-mandated chivalry is the current excuse governments are using to increase power over citizens. Their argument goes something like this: “If you oppose these measures, you must be all for beating up women, right?”
Feminism has matured into the totalitarian system it always wanted to be, and seeks to extend its tentacles into every nook and cranny of our lives. Like all totalitarian ideologies that have no purpose other than consolidation of absolute power, it is the mortal enemy of free men.
Frankly, I am deeply disappointed by Spain, but I suppose totalitarian tendencies die hard. Perhaps the feminists have simply replaced the Falangists. Nevertheless, I have always had an admiration for the Spanish people, and thought their women to be particularly attractive and graceful in comparison to other Europeans. Unfortunately, it appears that their lust for power has contorted them into twisted monstrosities compared to what they once were.
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One by one the bricks fall into place.
Christ, this place is depressing sometimes. Zapatero really embodies all that is wrong with Europe; he is a weak, self-hating leader, presiding over a country on its way to the dustbin of history (they have some of the lowest birthrates in Europe). That self-hate extends to his country as a whole, but especially to its men. He’s absolutely shameless.
Honestly I had this sentiment that things were getting bad for men the last couple of years, but I didnt know it was this bad before see sites such as this. What to do other than fornicate and take drugs against the horrible strain of idiots that govern this world?
I hope, for the sake of the Spanish people, that the Muslims will take over that coutry.
The Saracens had some success in the past, until Charles Martel stopped them dead in Poitiers.
This time, there will be no knights in shining armor to block the progress of the Muslim conquistadores.
I am not surpised at all at this new rule. Spain had already made a law that forces divorce if the husband does not do his share of house chores.
Europe will be ripe for conquest in about ten to fifteen years, according to me.
We shall follow soon after: the Muslims on the East coast and the Chinese on the West coast.
Notice here, however, that a MAN has made the final decision. Prison planet is at our door, Christianity is being crucified to make room for Allah.
All we have to do is to sit back and… wait…
I wonder how much further this will go before men, Christian or otherwise, will shun the post-Christian West and flee to Moslem countries.
Hell, I think I’d willingly pay the jizya in exchange for being left alone to live my life as my faith requires.
I just hope we make it long enough for the entitlements to run out. When that happens, Feminism has got some splainin’ to do and it will have to do so to millions of pissed off men who are armed to the teeth and have nothing left that can be taken from them.
That is how femminist are. Women in general if read this article will defend it. We had better get busy here in the states educating our men. I’ve never need “tail’ so bad as to sell my soul for a chance of some woman saying she thought I was nice. I’ll take up arms before I go out like the european manginas. What a bunch of loser. The fact they are with a straight face even talking about doing that shows that the european men deserve what they get. If there ever was a country in need of a good subway bombing that is it. Maybe I’m being too hard.
Are you sure this is real Welmer?
Rebel,
The Muslims have conquered parts of Spain in the past; don’t think it couldn’t happen again…
MarkyMark
Absolutely.
I have often thought that the people ought to fight back against things like this by simply demanding that each and every elected official ought to have a webcam and speaker installed in his office, which we can all log into at any time of the night or day.
After all, if they never do anything wrong, what would they be afraid of?
We are their bosses, aren’t we?
Many employers have such things in the work place.
We could offer the same thing to parents for their children’s schoolrooms too, so parents could look in on their kids during the day.
See how fast that nonsensical shit would stop.
Many good schools already offer something similar. My kids both go to speech therapy sessions and the parents are encouraged to attend. Same at his preschool. They have a sign-up sheet and you can sign up to come in and participate on any day you like. I take part quite often, responsible for handing out snacks and cutting-out shapes and such.
The good schools and day care centers have nothing to hide.
I like Angry Harry’s idea for taxes as well – that it should be broken down specifically for where it goes. This is, after all, the computer age, and it should be nothing at all to create a computer program that breaks down your taxes at that time of year, and shows you exactly what you paid for each government service.
For example, if you earn $50,000/yr, you possibly pay 30% of that in taxes each year. So, it should be broken down exactly where it went to, by percentage of the budget.
Healthcare: $3,500
National Defence: $3,500
Police & Fire: $1,000
Schools: $1,500
Government Wages & Pensions: $5,500
Etc. etc.
This way the people would be able to see much more clearly what the government is doing with our money.
The way it sits now, they always just talk “Millions here” and “Billions there.” It has very little effect on the people’s psychology – we have no concept of what “Billions” means.
If everyone in America seen that Obama stole $6,500 out of their pocket to give to the banks for the bailout, there would be much more hell to pay than saying something abstract like One TRILLION Dollars, which is just out of most people’s comprehension, “Oh well!”
If people saw that a 20% reduction in government wages & pensions would mean an extra $1,100/yr directly into their jeans, well, what do you think they would choose?
Lancet. 1998 Sep 12;352(9131):887.
Investigating the reasons for Spain’s falling birth rate.
Bosch X.
PIP: On August 25, 1998, the Spanish National Institute of Statistics announced that Spain, which has had the most accelerated decrease in fecundity of all European countries during the last 25 years, had the lowest birth rate in Europe. Spain’s average birth rate was 2.86 in 1970, 2.21 in 1980, and 1.21 in 1994. According to Eurostat, Spain’s average birth rate in 1995 was 1.18, while the European Community’s was 1.43. Although all the countries of the European Community have birth rates below 2.1, Spain’s is 44% below this minimum rate needed to achieve generation replacement. In 1994 and 1997, in 5 northern communities, including the Basque country and Galicia, the birth rate was less than 1.0. The lowest birth rate (0.76 in 1997) was in the northern region of Asturias. Although southern autonomous regions have higher birth rates (between 1.21 and 1.44 for 1997) than northern ones, these are also decreasing (from 3.36 in 1970 to 1.29 in 1997 in Andalusia). Credit for the rapid decrease is given to improved quality of life and education, increased contraceptive usage, and social change. Employment of women has increased, and unemployed sons are remaining at home for longer periods. The most important reasons are 1) the increased number of single people and 2) the increased average age of women having their first child. The latter increase began in 1988. Most Spanish women now have their first child between the ages of 30 and 39 years. The average age was 28 years in 1975; in 1995, it was 30 years. Women from the northern autonomous regions have the highest average age at first birth (Basque women, 31.2 years in 1995). The pattern of fecundity in Spain is different from other countries in Europe. In Spain, the decrease started in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Until the 1980s, Spain had one of the highest birth rates in Europe. This was followed by a decrease in the 1990s. However, in 1997, there were 3000 more births than in 1996. The National Institute of Demography predicts a maximum birth rate of 1.8 for 2026. Specialists believe there will be an increase in fecundity until at least 2005, when women born during the Spanish “baby boom” of the 1960s will begin reaching childbearing age.
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SPAIN HAS THE LOWEST BIRTHRATE IN EUROPE, even with massive immigration from North Africa.
I guess they want to accelerate the rate in which Spanish culture commits suicide as they prepare to give Spain away to their new Muslim overlords. A people only having 1.2 children per female is seeing 200 breeding-age adults only making 120 children. If those 120 children do the same in their fertile years, they only make 72 kids themselves.
200>120>72. Its like watching a group of people commit natal suicide over 3 generations. Laws that put emnity between men and women (passed by cultural marxists who want exactly that) excacerbate the situation. Its being done on purpose.
I don’t know what to think, really, but this new scheme smells bad. Very bad. The world has gone crazy.
This is insanity, pure and simple. From where I stand, I can see that men are going to be put into slavery soon enough. Worse: THEY WILL NOT RESIST!
There is something very nasty in the works and it seems to be happening ONLY IN THE WEST.
I just can’t believe that, suddenly, all the men in our society have become so brutal towards women.
In a recent documentary from Belgium, I saw men being asked what they would do if there was another war…
Well, listen to this: ALL the old men , those who were fighting in 1940, said they would pick up their old guns and defend the homeland again. Those guys are all in excess of 80 years of age…
Now, ALL the young men (those around the age of 20) said they would FLEE or SURRENDER!…
This came as a shock to me! NONE would fight: they would flee instead. It goes to show you that what was considered honorable is now seen as something not worth fighting for: their FREEDOM!!!
(they do have freedom, or do they?)
I think that the young males (at least in Belgium) have been completely emasculated. No visible sign of manhood.
And now, they tell that these emasculated young boys are brutes? Laughable at best.
@ MarkyMark: I am absolutely certain that if and when the Muslims decide to invade Europe, they will meet NO RESISTANCE AT ALL.
Europe is done. The feeling of guilt is insurmountable.
Just another page in History.
The Australian continent is not doing much better.
Russia is also in a very bad shape. The Europeans have no place to run to..
All we have now is ourselves and our continent. But for how long?
Fortunately, we still have our nuclear armament.
found a little more…………..hysterical, but the BR is a little higher now………1.31
Spain’s “Disastrous” Contraceptive Policies have Resulted in the Oldest European Population
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May 22, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A report by Spain’s Institute for Family Policy says that Spain, with one of the western world’s lowest birth rates and a high average life expectancy, is now the most rapidly aging country in the European Union.
The Institute’s head, Eduardo Hertfelder, told media that the government’s “dreadful” contraceptive policies are having a “catastrophic effect.”
The report says that the Spanish youth population has dropped from 10 million in 1981 to 6.6 million in 2008. The process of population aging follows Spain’s precipitous drop in birth rates. In 2000, a UN report found that the Spanish birth rate was the lowest in the world with 1.07 children per woman. Hertfelder stressed that the Spanish population is being bolstered now only by increases in immigration.
In Spain, the median age of women is 42.5 years; most physicians say that conception becomes increasingly less likely after age 35.
While the country’s fertility rate remains one of the lowest in the world at 1.31 children per woman, the socialist Spanish government announced earlier this year its plans to loosen the law to allow abortion on demand during the first twelve weeks of pregnancy.
The loss of young people, aging of the population and impending impact of this demographic implosion on the economy, is not limited to Spain. A report published in April by the European Commission said that the working-age population of Europe will peak next year and begin to decline.
The EC report said that by 2060 Europe will have 2 people of working age for every person aged over 65, compared to 4 people of working age currently. Europe now has some of the world’s most generous government-sponsored pension and welfare plans that will be directly affected by the anticipated drop in population.
Referring to it as the “inverted pyramid” effect, demographers believe that a 1.3 fertility rate is all but impossible to correct and inevitably leads to a drop in population. With below-replacement fertility – that is, with two sets of parents producing only one child each generation – the number of children born is halved in each successive generation, resulting in dramatic decreases in the working-age population in twenty five years.
fedrz January 29, 2010 at 18:19
I like Angry Harry’s idea for taxes as well – that it should be broken down specifically for where it goes.
The problem with that type of thinking is a lot of members of society dont pay any taxes at all. I certainly dont know a lot about how it is where you live, but where I live (Western NY State), many people are net tax recipients. To give a scenario, a single mother making $20k can be eligibile for food stamps, heating assistance, subsidized daycare, family health plus (a healthcare program for low income families AKA single parent households) . Precisely how this doesnt violate the civil rights act is beyond me, giving people entitlements based upon their family composition but whatever. I think what is needed is the idea that we need to stop looking at compassion as a good thing. For far too long, politics has become an arms race in soggy benevolence, and soon the nastier effects will become intolerable.
“The report says that the Spanish youth population has dropped from 10 million in 1981 to 6.6 million in 2008″
This is exactly where it hurts… Millions of immigrants will be an absolute necessity for Europe to survive.
This is a collective suicide. We are experiencing the same problem in Canada: all of our population growth comes from immigration.
The newcomers are the ones who will replace us. Sometimes, I think that we will follow the same route the Amerinds had to suffer. One day, we shall all live in reservations, in preserves or worse yet: in a zoo!!
Let us be grateful to feminists. At least, our “patriarchal” society will be reduced in quantity and quality, which, I suppose is what women want..
Interesting times indeed…
Meanwhile, I plan to sip my Cognac (hey, I’m French…lol!) and watch the show. What else is there to do?
OK, I’ll say it. Spain’s population collapse has a lot to do with widespread disobedience to the teachings of their own nominal religion, Catholicism. They apparently ignored Humanae Vitae, and this is the result.
God is not mocked.
I wouldn’t take it too seriously. Documentary filmmakers aren’t exactly above picking and choosing the footage in order back up whatever agenda they’re working.
(not saying your conclusions are wrong, just saying, don’t trust documentaries.)
”””””””””Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, a self-proclaimed “feministâ€, pledged before the European Parliament last week to advance gender equality in the EU and “eliminate the scourge of violence against womenâ€.”””
So eventually any time a woman brings up certain key words the guy will have no choice but to kill her. This is obviously not to protect woman.
“This is exactly where it hurts… Millions of immigrants will be an absolute necessity for Europe to survive.”
Survive in what sense? I hope you only mean in the physical sense, because the quality of these immigrants is not impressive. You don’t build a first-world society from third world people. As you say, many of the natives are already net tax recipients. How do you think the average low-IQ immigrant is going to fare in that regard? Where are the Somalian Einsteins?
The concept that these people can replace the missing native people and become an economic benefit is ridiculous on its face. It falls apart with ten seconds of analysis. It is simply more pernicious propaganda perpetrated by the same people who wanted the low birth rates in the first place. Their goal is to reduce our freedoms and prosperity via divide and conquer. A poorer, divided people are easy to rule.
I am a Spanish guy who has expatriated because I couldn’t bear the “New Spain” cultural elites have been creating for the last decades.
I remember my childhood, when Spain was a country of strong families and strong religious beliefs. I remember my house having the door open because the feeling of being safe was universal. I remember friends being almost brothers. I remember children playing in the street without surveillance. I remember happy and ethical people.
And then “liberal” elites managed to change all this. They started filling the TV, movies and books with feminist crap, with liberal crap. People started learning bad habits. Promiscuity, single moms, drugs, hedonism, consumism, crime, cultural decline, self-hate. Zapatero is only an example
Now we are one of the countries that is committing suicide. Muslims will rule us in less than a century. But people seem not to care.
Adios, España.
I relish a time when a natural born leader of men like Hannibal could raise a standing army to challenge the superpower of the day, Rome. In the modern era, all of the overwhelming military power/might/capacity is squarely in the hands of nation states, such that no single man can raise an army of men strong enough to challenge today’s tyrannies.
Sometimes, might does make right.
I don’t count cultural replacement by barbarians as survival. Immigrants aren’t Europe’s savior, they are its death knell.
One subtle but very pernicious effect of the “compassionate” redistribution of income from single men without children to single mothers is that the solvent men are both less able and less willing to marry and start families themselves.
I knew one couple that married in college and had an “accidental” pregnancy. They couldn’t afford to pay the medical bills for the birth of the child, so they divorced so that she could go onto Medicaid (the US medical welfare program for the poor) and have the taxpayers pay for the cost of delivering the baby. Needless to say, she never remarried him and might still be on welfare today fo all I know.
If it is actually financially *beneficial* for the mother to remain single, should we be surprised that the poor are no longer getting married? Women are “marrying the state”, to borrow a phrase from George Will, because the state won’t leave them and can always tax someone else or print money to pay for her and her kids. It’s less risky to be a welfare recipient than to rely on the paycheck of a man in today’s economy.
This also has the perverse effect of taking money from the wallets of working men and making them less attractive to women and less willing to take on the risk of becoming a husband or a father.
This false “compassion” ends up making it more likely that a kid will be born to a welfare mom and less likely that productive men will become husbands and fathers. Not a great breeding strategy, if you want a stable society.
It also makes it more attractive to be a “playa” or a thug who impregnates women almost at random and less attractive to be a husband and father. It’s the solvent men with jobs who get screwed royally by the divorce courts and child support mandates. The outlaw bikers are already breaking the law.
If you are on the run for manufacturing crystal meth or murdering a member of a rival biker gang, a warrant for failure to pay child support is small potatoes. If you are a solid member of society, an arrest for anything like that is a black mark that will prevent you from passing a background check for any real job.
It will give a human resources fembot a virtual orgasm to delete your resume from the system if she thinks that she just kicked an evil and oppressive member of the Patriarchy in the gonads.
That ridiculous wimp, Zapatero, is simply another posturing Leftist in the European mould; still fighting the Spanish Civil War in his mind. Sucking up to feminists is simply the latest way of sticking it to the Right. It is all posturing. It’s the same with ridiculous laws attempting to get Spanish men to do more housework.
As Ann Coulter said, Spain is a nation of women.
Fedrz sayeth
“This is, after all, the computer age, and it should be nothing at all to create a computer program that breaks down your taxes at that time of year, and shows you exactly what you paid for each government service.
…
This way the people would be able to see much more clearly what the government is doing with our money. ”
…and it would be to even greater extent of nothingness to create a computer program that would simply just show you want they wanted to show. In the end you’d just think you see much more cleary what the government is doing with your money – in reality it would be just some numbers displayed wiht little resemblance to reality.
Not that I don’t agree with the idea itself, mind you.
I keep repeating this every chance I get. Pay as little taxes as you can. This is the single greatest impact you can make to the mens movement. Starve the misandric beast.
Yes You Can (give Obama the mangina your middle finger)!
Visit and read for comprehension the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_tourist
In America, if there really was a Men’s Rights Movement, they should start small and focus on the repeal of just two pieces of legislation.
1) VAWA
2) Bradley Amendment
Just those two. Get those repealed before any other goal is aspired to.
But there is no Men’s Right’s Movement, and there won’t be anytime soon.
The Misandry Bubble will pop due to very different factors.
For all the talk of ‘Europe being done’ and ‘Muslims invading’ this article shows why that is hardly a bad thing relative to what Europe already is.
I would argue that the average men in Morocco and Algeria have it better, in 2010, than in Spain.
You may have a point there. I have no qualms about emigrating to a mainly Moslem country. Lots of Westerners have retired to Bali and other islands of Indonesia, and seem perfectly happy there. Realistically speaking, Bali is a more attractive place to live than a large swathe of the Western world.
Oh, Dubai, Istanbul, Bahrain, Kuwait, Kuala Lumpur, etc. are all decent.
Many other parts of Asia are not Muslim but still gender normative, and not decadent enough to have a large population of lawyers and public servants seeking to make money off of playing ‘Gotcha’ with people.
Spain was under Muslim control (known as Al-Andalusa) for 800 years. This is why Spanish people are significantly darker than French or Italian people.
Spain was free from Muslim control for, say, 530 years.
It will return again. The 1490-2020 period was just an intermission from Islam.
Only if you ignore their living conditions. North Africa is a third-world dustpit because of Islam. Islam is a retrograde force everywhere it holds power, so suggesting it as an alternative to feminism is in my view a “reign in hell” idea. Sure, you’d get to marry your favorite girls when they turn 6 and fuck them at 9, rape your sex slaves any time you wanted, beat your wife for disobedience, murder your children without consequence, and generally rule the household like a tyrant, but is that really an improvement for us? I would strenuously argue it is not.
Fifth Horseman any ideas on how we can get a mens movement going. I think we are ready. The election in Mass. says anything is possible. Any real effort will require the issues to be all made public. I have never done anything like it but hey it would be awesome to try. I think some of us need to get together and have a good conversation on a plan for action and then go about getting it done. I’ll go over to the forum and see if I can start a guided discussion.
I’ve been living in Spain for 19 years and it’s true that many wives, girlfriends and ex-lovers have been murdered by angry, passionate, jealous men. I also know the typical Spanish Women very well and they come in many sizes and political leanings. Not many are real feminists. I can see where their constant bitching might drive a man to doing something he would later regret. The fact that some sort of education is lacking concerning relationship skills stands out like one of the Osborne Toro signs (billboards) that are scattered around the country. I suspect that this (lack of relationship skills) includes the states. But if we go even further we see that the sentence for murder in Spain is 30 years. And with good time you can even knock it down to 7 years. Here could be where the problem lies. If there where life- sentences handed out for murder perhaps an emotionally ravaged man would be able to control his hopeless anger better.
“Europe is done. The feeling of guilt is insurmountable.”
Bullshit. You’re talking about the cradle of civilization here, not California. Muslims aren’t going to invade jack shit. This isn’t the middle ages. If they try something it will be by using laws to their advantage and slowly extending their influence. Once this reaches a critical point and they start demanding shit expect to see another holocaust. It’s the same damn cycle that’s been going on since the beginning of time.
We’ve been around for too long and went through more crap than any other place on this damn earth and I doubt some kooky religion is going to be our downfall.
Oh, really?
From what I gather, Irak is the craddle of civilization. Europe is more like a “Johnny come lately”.
If you simply go back to the Crusades, the barbarians were not the Muslims, but the Christians themselves.
In the end, the Crusaders were crushed and treated with mercy. Salah Hadin didn’t end their lives.
Europe had returned to barbary following the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. The Muslims were the ones who brought civilization back to Europe, together with Europe’s lost Culture when they took Spain.
If it is true that History repeats itself, then I don’t give much for the survival of Europe.
Tell me: what is the future of nations filled with emasculated “males”?
Who knows, maybe our “saviors” will knock some sense in our women, since we can’t do it ourselves.
You must remember, back before 1990 when mass demonstrators pleaded for mercy before the Russian army: they were willing to surrender rather than fight.
Another holocaust? Maybe, but this time, Europe will lay on its back, offering its throat to a merciful enemy.
Don’t count on America to save your ass this time.
Western culture no longer resides in Europe, but here in America.
Bob Smith January 30, 2010 at 01:12
Sure, you’d get to marry your favorite girls when they turn 6 and fuck them at 9, rape your sex slaves any time you wanted, beat your wife for disobedience, murder your children without consequence, and generally rule the household like a tyrant
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Just because you can doesnt mean you have to. Decent men in a truly patriarchal system are worth their weight in gold.
Where is all this fatalism coming from? There have been a few articles recently here (and a lot of commenters) who think Europe popped into existance 300 years ago and muslims and feminists are the first problems it’s ever faced.
Muslims brought civilisation back to Europe? Really? Wtf are you talking about? No seriously, please clarify what you mean by this.
“You must remember, back before 1990 when mass demonstrators pleaded for mercy before the Russian army: they were willing to surrender rather than fight.”
When exactly before 1990? Before 1990 there was an uprising in Hungary (1956). It got crushed by russian tanks and troops, lots of people died in the fighting and lots more died in the reprisals afterwards. Romania was the only country who refused to allow soviet troops to use its territory to attack Hungary. There were even small skirmishes on the border with Moldova because of it. Who the fuck was pleading for mercy? When? Where? During the revolution? People got fucking shot and died then. No one fucking begged for mercy, they just took to the streets in greater numbers. Don’t fucking insult all the people who died then because you have no clue what was going on.
Despite what you’ve been taught in school no one’s ever expected anything from the USA. You let half of Europe rot under communism for 40+ years and you have the nerve to say you saved our asses? From what exactly did you save us? Germany? Don’t make me laugh.
This notion that western culture resides in America is misguided at best. All you have in terms of culture is fast food and whatever scraps immigrants brought with them that you’ve later incorporated to a certain degree. Is that what passes for culture these days?
“Tell me: what is the future of nations filled with emasculated “malesâ€?”
Again you seem to think this is some sort of epidemic of epic proportions like in 28 days later. The way you see the world seems to be more than a little biased. I understand feminism is a big problem, but you make it out to be the death knell of the world. The tone of several commenters here seems to be one of “I can’t wait ’till it all falls appart”. If being an emasculated piece of dirt is one extreme, cheering feminism on must be the other.
I guess what I’m ranting at is this: fight feminism but grow a fucking pair and take it head on. Don’t fucking cheer the demise of all you hold dear because of some misguided notion that we’ll get a clean slate to start over from. It’s not going to happen.
Noobius January 30, 2010 at 02:54
“Europe is done. The feeling of guilt is insurmountable.â€
Bullshit. You’re talking about the cradle of civilization here, not California. Muslims aren’t going to invade jack shit. This isn’t the middle ages. If they try something it will be by using laws to their advantage and slowly extending their influence.
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That is already happening, google the name of almost any western european nation and sharia and see what comes up. As far as the notion of feminism being the end of the world, it isnt the end of the world at all. It is an effort to radically remake the world that is unsustainable in the long run, like communism. I dont like forward to having to learn mandarin or praying towards the east, but I may very well have to.
Two things:
1. While this decline in population is a policy of genocide upon hte common man performed by the elites, the common man has no power to stop it: obey or die; either way you are going to die: today or after a couple of decades.
2.
…[N]ominal religion, Catholicism. They apparently ignored Humanae Vitae, and this is the result.
God is not mocked.
The Pope is not God; nor is he anyone’s vicar. And Roman Catholicism is not Christianity: it merely has in it disobedient Christians who are not heeding God’s prophetic call to come out of Babylon – the same message that is called to any Christians dwelling in the Protestant church that has fallen from its biblical roots; and the Orthodox.
“I like Angry Harry’s idea for taxes as well…that it should be broken down specifically for where it goes.”
Given that income tax is voluntary, why would you want to ‘pay’ it? And anyone, you are not ‘paying’ income tax, in the US you have debt notes, in the UK you have promisory notes, and the Euro isn’t even that. It is coloured paper that is copyrighted. It is no different to monopoly money. You can’t pay a bill if there is no ‘money’.
It is time for all men to simply stop paying income taxes. My proposal is to set up associations outside of ‘guvment’ rules and bid for work on that basis. We will soon see how ‘independent’ women are when the number of men willing to pay for them plummets.
@ Rebel
Europe had returned to barbary following the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. The Muslims were the ones who brought civilization back to Europe, together with Europe’s lost Culture when they took Spain.
The Eastern leg of the Roman Empire fell 1,000 years after the Western. The Mooslims didn’t bring shit: scholars and books flowed from Constantinople until it fell; and then those that could fled to the West.
here is an article from quite awhile back about feminism and the fall of civilization by Kenneth Minogue (a great liberatarian/conservative scholar
http://www.ejfi.org/Civilization/Civilization-16.htm
history is just a guide, I think we can learn a lot about the human condition by the reading of it, but it is not necessarily a blueprint for the future. Whatever can be said of feminism, it most certainly is not sustainable.
The sad part is the pictures of people in concentration camps kind of proves you can do almost anything to people and the majority just take it and keep trying to stay alive under any circumstances.
I’m with David, they broke with the Church and they’re paying the price for it. As we will also pay. They worship themselves and Mammon now and belong to a Culture of Death, and they can wait and see how far that gets them.
The Pope warned us about all of this in HV. He spelled out the future for us in detail, and was completely right on every point.
Black&German is a Catholic. How appropriate. Are you aware that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is supportive of Obamacare and amnesty for millions of illegals, among other things? This is an official arm of the Catholic Church. Here’s an article on it, but you can find the statements on their own website: http://www.rightsidenews.com/201001278401/editorial/catholic-bishops-lobby-for-obamacare-amnesty-for-illegals.html
Catholicism is indistinguishable from the left on the issues that matter. All the Catholic Church cares about is getting more Catholics; they are the sovereign, not the nation, borders be damned. They want to use your money and country to recruit more believers and to be “compassionate” via government coercion. To be fair, the leadership of the big Protestant churches act in the same way (the Evangelicals are less enthusiastic), but they don’t have the same influence or bankroll as the Catholic Church does.
This blogger shows that Catholic countries are the ones with low birth rates. Protestant countries have a much smaller problem in that regard, and they don’t have the Catholic Church trying to flood them with immigrants to make things even worse. http://conswede.blogspot.com/2007/06/catholicismbirth-control-and-birth_14.html
The Catholic Church is our enemy.
True, but the fact that men can tends to create a lot of men who do. Moreover, since the acts described are either permitted by Allah in the Quran or are considered exemplary conduct because of Muhammad’s personal example, they lean strongly towards the normative rather than being merely permitted.
Is a man who keeps no slaves himself, but believes that owning slaves and raping female slaves are both morally permissible, a decent man?
That’s why I find this talk of Islam to be insane, decent men do not arise in indecent cultures. You have to think of more than yourself; while you may say you’d never sanction or do those things after your conversion to Islam, you condemn your descendants to the darkness.
I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I dont like islam, but we are NOT going back to the way it was – for many reasons. Western women will never relinquish any of the power or “rights” they have obtained over the last 40 or so years. This world is not of my making. I am just saying that sharia is not necessarily as bad or as good as some would make it. I live in an apartment with a man who is from senegal, and was explaining to me sharia. He pointed out that many of the more brutal elements are rarely applied, but they are applied as a matter of principle so the people can have fear.
It is funny that you mention slavery by the way. Look at the Sin Bins in the UK right now:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5888162/Worst-families-in-Britain-will-be-put-in-sin-bins.html
Under the Government scheme, members of “Shameless” families are given intensive 24-hour supervision to make sure children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.
Parents are also given help to stop them leading dysfunctional lives and to combat drug or alcohol addiction.
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the above from the country that gave us the Magna Carta
I am not coming out in favor of slavery, but it is a huge mistake to assume that once slavery is abolished, all political problems pertaining to slavery would disappear (especially for those interested in human liberty.) In fact, the abolishment of slavery begets all sorts of political problems. After capitalism was discovered, notice how quickly the masses invent communism a new form of slavery. Slavery IS the political problem.
Somebody dig up El Cid quick.
All the Catholic Church cares about is getting more Catholics; they are the sovereign, not the nation, borders be damned.
LOL. Of course we follow the Church before the nation. That’s normal for any true religious belief. Nationality shouldn’t be something that comes into conflict with my religious belief. The state should be morally neutral on all but the worst trespasses. Which is why all Catholics should be libertarians.
The bishops are free to express their opinion. Only certain formal documents are mandatory teachings to be followed.
Wait a minute, here.
How can they ONLY monitor “men” as you say? How could they monitor “domestic violence” if they are NOT also monitoring the women who are allegedly being abused?
They couldn’t.
Which means that you ARE opposed to men who have been proven to be abusers being treated as the criminals that they are? I can understand if they were “watching” innocent men….but they are only doing it to men who are already known to do this, right?
I don’t understand what issue you could have with that unless you believe that a man has a right to beat his wife.
Why are you opposed to men who are known woman-beaters wearing an ankle bracelet? They’re criminals and SHOULD be monitored! The U. S. would be a lot better off without the whole “so and so served their time so now it doesn’t matter that they ARE a criminal….”
Criminals should be labeled for life as exactly that. Why would you want to degrade ANY society further and allow abuse of anyone at all?
I feel the same way about strippers.
After all, stripping and crime are what women and men turn to, respectively, to make money when they don’t have the capacity to legitimately earn something.
I look forwarding to ejecting from the West. Expatriation is my dream and goal. There is NOTHING to look forward to here in the next few years but more evident decline. I just live here to acquire capital . That’s it. Therefore, and for reasons I explain below, Islamic countries and culture are not a problem for me.
Moving to this somewhat isolated northern area I was surprised to encounter such large numbers of Muslim men for both the Mid-East and Africa. After getting to know these guys, I have much less fear of Islam. Much less. In fact I’ll admit that it is apparent to myself that it will be one of the key forces to remove the Feminist induced nightmare devouring our society. Yes, we can talk of other solutions, but one that is REAL and visibly growing with impact , is Islam.
Interesting that they speak of the Wests growing impact on their religion and culture. The Mid-east guys are saying ” Dude , you don’t get it, things have and are changing back home. The hardline Muslim thing is not happening to any great extent .. people want to live more like the west.”
Guys from Nigeria talk about how you must beware of womens growing economic resources and independence via impact of western style laws.
What I am saying is this huge hard line Islamic monolith some might depict is not the reality. While the men do see and realize the downsides such as described here about the West, materialism and more freedom are highly desired.
Further, these men I have found to be way more solid and enduring in friendship and not the back-stabbing mofo’s I have endured my whole life.
Easy to turn my back on this sick shit here.
Islam? Bring it.
lol rain keep telling em that. Chick was blowing me within 10 seconds of going into the room for two dances without me telling her shit. The same bitch that was so excited to blow me she ripped out her tongue ring on my dick. Three cheers for strippers he he he
”””””””That’s why I find this talk of Islam to be insane, decent men do not arise in indecent cultures. You have to think of more than yourself; while you may say you’d never sanction or do those things after your conversion to Islam, you condemn your descendants to the darkness.”””””’
Darkness are you kidding. Look around. We are in a world of shit.
And the west has no problem torturing millions of men and millions of woman. So really get off the high horse and take a look around.
Would I want my daughter to be a pump and dump not really. I’d like to see her actually have a family and be able to enjoy that. Do I want to see her on some colege coed video about girls gone wild. Probably not. Her be a stripper not really. Woman making 500k a year does not fulfill them but they don’t realize the error until too late.
Zeta,
Furthermore, I agree with the Bishops that health care should be universal, as it already is. So do most of you, unless you are willing to let people die in the street in front of a doctor’s office or ER. The disagreement is over a national health insurance scheme, which I am against because it goes against the principle of subsidiarity.
I don’t understand what issue you could have with that unless you believe that a man has a right to beat his wife.
That is a complete straw man. Abuse is already defined as grounds for divorce, and assault is a crime. A woman could receive a restraining order for assault and a divorce to protect her from him legally. There is no reason to have special laws for married couples.
Oilsands,
I agree. I know many middle eastern men with families and they are all excellent fathers and husbands.
I am willing to let some people die in the streets, under some circumstances. I personally feel the distribution of goods and services, such as medical care should be left to the market and that includes: no licensure of medical professionals, no prescription needed for any drug, no mandates on insurance companies that they cover any condition.
Let me put what I am saying in another way, a free market is just as vital to our health in the long run as medical care. And if the “price” we have to pay is that some people die in the streets then I am willing to pay that price. I dont see how destroying the economy is good for our health.
And what do you do in the case of an epidemic?
Literal epidemics or made-up epidemics such as methamphetamine use? A large number of the resources that the modern nation state uses to shape “public health” are nothing but efforts to shape behavior such as sin taxes, drug education, efforts at reducing obesity. The idea that epidemics are the primary concern of medicine nowadays is nonsense.
Literal epidemics!
And that was a poor answer.
A very poor one!
In fact, it was no answer at all.
All I can do is pose the same question again.
No it wasnt a poor answer at all, it was an important answer. Originally the state was granted police powers to deal with infectious diseases in countries that had a history of limited government because of the development of sanitation methods made possible by the free market. Today, the vast majority of state resources that are dedicated to public health are in fact the an effort by the state to alter bad habits or change unwise conduct. It is by no means certain that this is a good thing on the net, so I am not sure. I dont think the state should have clinics to treat venereal diseases or provide azt to people with HIV.
Black & German, please explain how this is compatible with the libertarianism you are supposedly advocating:
“States [should] make high-deductible health insurance mandatory. It could offer vouchers for those who are unable to afford it in their own right. Or have a public plan — states can compete to see which model works best.”
Health care is a service that must be paid for and not a right. You do not have a right to a service, as you assert; if you have a “right” to a service, it means someone else has an obligation to pay if you can not attain it for yourself. After all, this is what you mean when you adopt the emotional language of the leftist and say that “no one wants people to die in the street outside a doctor’s office”. And what ignorance you spout off when you think such a system will eliminate the free rider issue! When you force everyone into a pool, you distort the market; you don’t seem to fully appreciate (or appreciate at all) that the problem behind escalating costs is third-party payments. You have no incentive to keep your costs down when the government, your employer, and your insurer are paying for your problems. When someone else picks up the tab, prices escalate relentlessly and you get more unnecessary “care”.
You don’t solve the problems of cost-shifting/free-riding or escalating costs if you force insurance. Nor is this a libertarian idea. In a true free market, costs go down over time, all else-equal, just as they do right now in unregulated areas like Lasik surgery. If we forced everyone to have “Lasik insurance”, this would not be the case (third party payments), and there would still be free-riding, since everyone has a “right” to it, whether they can pay or not. On top of that we have an additional problem: those who can’t pay now have an inflated price to pay, which still must be picked up by others.
In essence, your solution is Obamacare on a state level. That your “Catholicism” informs such sentiments is telling, and further backs up my assertion that Catholicism is our enemy. I imagine your Catholicism drives you to support open borders and amnesty, too, doesn’t it? That will be done through a government, of course, just as your Obamacare-lite… and will you be so deceitful as to claim this is a libertarian stance, too? (I imagine you would also support the Catholic Church’s bankrolling of and lobbying for this, while at the same time speaking out the other side of your mouth and saying “Catholics should be libertarians”. That’s what we call having your cake and eating it too.)
Why do we even allow women on this site? Even the “good” ones are unbearable hypocrites.
If people don’t have a right to health care, then universal health care, as it now stands, should be abolished. Everything, including Medicare, Medicaid, etc. This would, in fact, result in people dying for lack of a doctor. At least for a time, until charitable institutions took up the slack. If we have universal health care, it should be universally financed, just as it is with roads, schools, etc.
If we were to end universal health care, then I would put my money where my mouth is and increase my charitable givings to the local free clinic. That does not make me a hypocrite, that makes me consistent. What is hypocritical, are the people who claim to be against universal health care, but receive free health care from the government.
My point was that the topic of health care is a subject for the states, not the federal government.
Black&German January 30, 2010 at 18:42
If people don’t have a right to health care, then universal health care, as it now stands, should be abolished. Everything, including Medicare, Medicaid, etc. This would, in fact, result in people dying for lack of a doctor.
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People die for all sorts of reasons, if we bankrupt the economy, it will most certainly affect our health, well-being and longevity. To give a trite example, if taxes make it harder for someone to buy a car and maintain it and instead someone has to rely on public transportation – that can affect someone’s well-being as much or more than not being able to afford a doctor on the taxpayer dime.
fedrz January 29, 2010 at 18:19
I like Angry Harry’s idea for taxes as well – that it should be broken down specifically for where it goes. This is, after all, the computer age, and it should be nothing at all to create a computer program that breaks down your taxes at that time of year, and shows you exactly what you paid for each government service.
For example, if you earn $50,000/yr, you possibly pay 30% of that in taxes each year. So, it should be broken down exactly where it went to, by percentage of the budget.
Healthcare: $3,500
National Defence: $3,500
Police & Fire: $1,000
Schools: $1,500
Government Wages & Pensions: $5,500
Etc. etc.
This way the people would be able to see much more clearly what the government is doing with our money.
The way it sits now, they always just talk “Millions here†and “Billions there.†It has very little effect on the people’s psychology – we have no concept of what “Billions†means.
If everyone in America seen that Obama stole $6,500 out of their pocket to give to the banks for the bailout, there would be much more hell to pay than saying something abstract like One TRILLION Dollars, which is just out of most people’s comprehension, “Oh well!â€
If people saw that a 20% reduction in government wages & pensions would mean an extra $1,100/yr directly into their jeans, well, what do you think they would choose?
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I agree. How many people have actually seen what one billion dollars looks like? Seeing what it looks like might help people fathom the expenses spoken of and put your proposal into perspective.
You are a sharp one.
Rebel January 29, 2010 at 18:59
“The report says that the Spanish youth population has dropped from 10 million in 1981 to 6.6 million in 2008″
This is exactly where it hurts… Millions of immigrants will be an absolute necessity for Europe to survive.
This is a collective suicide. We are experiencing the same problem in Canada: all of our population growth comes from immigration.
The newcomers are the ones who will replace us. Sometimes, I think that we will follow the same route the Amerinds had to suffer. One day, we shall all live in reservations, in preserves or worse yet: in a zoo!!
Let us be grateful to feminists. At least, our “patriarchal†society will be reduced in quantity and quality, which, I suppose is what women want..
Interesting times indeed…
Meanwhile, I plan to sip my Cognac (hey, I’m French…lol!) and watch the show. What else is there to do?
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You remember learning about the french revolution?
If Spain is allowed to inpose police surveilance of men throughout Europe, what makes the women of Europe think that Spain cannot/will not do the same to them, eventually? Equality means equality doesn’t it?
With 18.83 % of unemployment rates in Spain (according to last EPA, Encuesta de Población Activa), I assure you no one cares about “police surveillance for men” (or women, or whoever) in Europe, mainly because there are no funds for that expensive measure.
It is one of other “smoke screens” launched by “our briliant “Zapatitos” (Zapatero) who is totally incapable of handling the situation of economic crisis.
Why dont we “the mens movement” start updating our own databases on these nasty Pan-Anglosphere chauvenists of a totalitarian mindset.
There is no reason why “the mens movement” shouldn’t itself seek to open publicly accessible and updatable files on these men whom think they have the authority to plunge society back into the abyss.
Then we start monitoring them for their hate speech or propositions, their assertion of the right to discriminate, their location and activities etcetera, etcetera.
And with this information we should be able to forwarn and caution people, their associates and their intended targets of the hazards these men pose to peace in society.
A noble idea, but that’s a hell of a lot of work. This kind of thing was my job for years, so I know exactly what’s involved, and it doesn’t make for a particularly enjoyable hobby.
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