Lacey, WA: A 14-year-old girl sent a naked picture of herself to her boyfriend over her mobile phone, and after they broke up a couple of other girls convinced him to send them the photo, which promptly spread all over Thurston County. Soon, a snitch alerted school officials, who then called the police. The boy and two girls from the original incident were promptly arrested and are facing child pornography charges that could have them all marked as sex offenders for life.
The exhibitionist girl’s mother, Toni, claims that her daughter sent the picture out of “lack of self-esteem and confusion.” Despite the fact that she was the one who originally sent the photo, she has not been charged with distributing child pornography.
Thurston County prosecutor’s office official Rick Peters has suggested that the boy and two girls will not face anything more serious than sex offender status:
Juveniles who are committing certain types of sexual crimes do have to register as sex offenders, but certainly that is the most serious sanction that would go along with this charge – if they were to be found to be … guilty,” says Rick Peters of the Thurston County Prosecutor’s Office
Prosecutors have also suggested that they could do a month in lockup.
Personally, I’m curious as to why the school officials had to take the initiative and call the police. Why not grab the kids, call the parents, and nip it in the bud? Now these kids – and probably others – will face an inquisition for this stupid incident. Of course, the original act of stupidity was the girl taking a naked picture of herself and sending it to another student. Her mother seems to have no problems with what the other kids are facing for her daughter’s stupid, slutty decision.
Let’s be honest here: the girl was being a tramp. The other kids shouldn’t have sent the picture around, but they’re in middle school for God’s sake! Middle school kids do this sort of nasty, thoughtless thing all the time. To turn it into a full-bore child porn prosecution is cruel and doesn’t serve as justice.
This is just another example of official white knighting to protect the sullied “honor” of a teenage slut. The other kids who got mixed up in it have already paid a heavy price for her exhibitionism, and we can only hope they aren’t permanently ruined over this by being classified as sex offenders for life.
I shudder to think of what the young hussy will learn from all this. Probably that she can do whatever she wants and then have others punished for the fallout. This is the story of our society.
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In older times, it’s entirely possible kiddo would be dueling a member of the girl’s family TO THE DEATH for a stunt like that. Or the family, if they were sufficiently more powerful/lacked self-control would straight up kill him.
That’s because this situation is way different from must “abuse” in our society. Most feminist stories involve a woman who is “abused” by “the slap”. Or perhaps the fear of “the slap”. Or perhaps hubby just said mean words to her that “scared her”. Or maybe she went alone to a man’s bedroom and made out with him and then he “raped” her. Or at least she claims, and who are we to judge?
This case is WAAAAAYYYYYYYY different from that. The boy DESTROYED her reputations COMPLETELY. There is NO crueler thing you can do to a woman unless she is actually raped. And even then, some women WOULD chose rape to this humiliation. An old play even had this happen. The heroine refused to allow the villain to rape her till he threatened to kill her and place her body in the same bed as a dead slave. Only then, where threats of killing her had failed, did she let herself be raped. The girl IS harmed. Those photos will be drifting around for her LIFE.
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Thurston County prosecutor’s office official Rick Peters has suggested that the boy and two girls will not face anything more serious than sex offender status.
Yeah, because having to register as a sex offender over something like this is pretty much nothing…
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Wow. So families didn’t hold their daughters to account in older times, either? No wonder these cunts grow up into pampered princesses who never have to answer for their actions, even family will ignore her crucial role in this mess.
If I was the father of the slut, I would insist she be charged for producing and distributing child pornography.
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Why isn’t the girl who took the photo also being prosecuted? She originally distributed her own child porn, didn’t she?
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@comment_whatever
You couldn’t possibly be more wrong on every point.
The young slut ruined her own reputation – she sent the picture. Although in the current zeitgeist she likely increased it among her peers.
The other skanks were the driving force of the spreading of the picture – to increase their power through trying to socially ostricize her.
The boy was emotionally/socially manipulated by the girls in both situations. His fault was in not having enough experience to realize that this manipulation was a no-win situation for him. You expect him to have the emotional maturity of an adult, whereas the girls are allowed to maintain their childhood “innocence”.
Of course, given that women are not expected to take any responsibility for their actions (maturity for women stops when they discover the power of the pussy), this is hardly suprising.
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funniest article of the week
I give it
3 stars
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Look these kids where just experimenting. It is neither a crime or indeed very serious. Keep a sense of proportion.
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This is just kids experimenting. It really is neither a crime nor all that serious. Keep a sense of proportion.
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Her dad should give her a damned good spanking with lots of shaming language.
No, wait. Forget that. He’d go to jail for child abuse. Doh!
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Yea say it is no big deal to have sex ofender label for life vs what punishment would be worse?
Being in jail for a couple months with no paperwork big whoop.
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Why is she a slut that should take responsibility for what she did, but he is an innocent young man that made a mistake and should be let off the hook.
What he did was cruel, and what she did was stupid.
She has been humiliated in front of the entire world and that is punishment enough. The boy should have to suffer consequences, but being classified as a sex offender is rediculous. Maybe banned from having a cell phone or computer for a year.
In both situations neither of them thought through the consequences of thier actions, which is pretty typical of teenagers. The parents of both kids should have talked to them about the dangers of sexting.
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@ Comment Whatever… because I enjoy taking trolls seriously.
Really? Ruining a girl’s reputation is nearly as bad as rape, and worse than anything else one could possibly do? Really?
Even if that were true (and if it were, that would speak once again to the remarkable shallowness of girls), isn’t her reputation a lie if it’s any good? That is, if she’s a little slut, but people don’t believe she is, what’s so bad about the truth coming to light? It may well save many young boys from making the mistake of dating her.
I’m surprised the other two girls are being prosecuted, actually. But then, even pop culture and legal fiction can admit that young girls enjoy ruining each others’ “reputations”.
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1. We don’t know enough about any of the parties to really judge their characters beyond this particular incident. But I am hardly ok with calling this girl a slut for SENDING what should have been a PRIVATE pic to her BOYFRIEND. He violated her trust. That is dishonerable.
2. These are all kids. They are all redeemable. Would I spank them all? Probably. The two girls basically committed a social form of bullying and got the teenage male in trouble also. The teenage male needs to learn to keep his promises. And while I don’t know the exact details it would probably behoove the wronged girl to be with someone a bit longer so that they earn her trust and she never has to worry about such a private picture getting out again.
3. Hatred for an anonymous teenage girl does this site no favors. Did she make a false accusation? Is she a baby momma at 14? Or is she just a young girl experimenting with her developing sexuality and sending a pic to a boy she liked and trusted because she thinks that is what everyone else is doing?
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False dichotomy. Pretty much everyone here has advocated either punishing all of them or punishing none of them.
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Oh by the way:
The laws presence in this matter can do no good, and might do great harm.
“Only” on a sex offender registry. Dear Lord, to borrow a phrase.
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Arbitrary
She has been called a slut, c###, hussy or a tramp seven times on this forum.
The boy has not even been called a douche bag or an asshole, he is just “the boy”.
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To her boyfriend, jackass.
Are we going to make every woman who has ever had a naked picture of herself taken by her boyfriend/husband a slut?
She was dumb, and should have been taught better. The “theory” that the other girls didn’t know what they were doing, being girls, is stupid.
How about a girl having naked pictures of herself, branding her a slut, floating around for the rest of her life. Certainly for the entirety of her time at school. How about that?
Americans are way to cavalier about destroying other people for life.
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She is a slut.
“The boy” was manipulated into sending the picture by two other girls who then forwarded it around widely — he did not do it on his own out of spite, they did.
He was stupid — they were assholes.
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But, but Welmer … this is … *shrill voice* VICTIM BLAMING!!!!!
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Maybe Comment_Whatever.
But these are still kids and this still falls under the category of stupid things, not sexual assault. Kids do stupid things. I don’t want any of the four of them destroyed because of this. I am sorry for the girl victim in that she was stupid or unwise and that her trust was violated. I hope she learns a lesson. As for the girls that pushed this, they need to be publically shamed as does the boy. What they ALL don’t need is a bunch of presumable adults using them for political purposes or personal grudges.
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So she is a slut for not thinking that he would forward the naked pictures, but he is not a douche bag because it did not occure to him that the girls would forward the photos. If she is a slut, he is a total douche bag.
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“Americans are way to cavalier about destroying other people for life.”
Yes, especially MEN’S lives. You are a prime example of placing undue burden on the boy and absolving the girl who created the illicit photo in the first place of any accountability.
Advocating the beating/violent murder of a young man over his teenage naivety, sounds reasonable to me, barbarian. /sarcasm
You are a walking, talking caricature of a male feminist. Get the hell out of here, try feministing.com, where your anti-male venom will be encouraged.
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Good.
Actions have consequences — even if the females don’t like them.
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She’s a slut because she took the photo and sent it to him. That’s it.
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“The girl IS harmed. Those photos will be drifting around for her LIFE.”
The girl harmed HERSELF. Punishing the boy in this situation would be like suing a steak knife company after I chose to plunge one into my chest.
No one is responsible for your actions but YOU. If put yourself in a situation that OBVIOUSLY might ruin your reputation,and this is a fate worse than death for you, then you are A FUCKING RETARD.
This wasn’t “abuse”. This guy didn’t put a gun to her head and threaten to kill her unless she sent naked pictures of herself to him. He didn’t send an army of ninja midgets into her room to snap pictures of her poon while she was sleeping, she sent pictures to him knowing the possible repercussions and,surprise,surprise, she now has to deal with the consequences of her actions.
Cry me a fuckin river.
If anybody should be charged for child porn, it’s her. But personally, seeing as how all the participants WERE CHILDREN,I think it’s fucking ludicrous to charge anybody with anything in this circumstance.
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But that’s exactly what we do here in the good old USA…
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@Novaseeker
The one with the penis is always the guilty one.
There’s just too much pedophile paranoia going around these days. Combined with misandrist norms, it extrapolates to rules such as a man being prohibited from sitting with an unattended child during a flight.
IMHO, a pedophile should be a person who has been proven to have had physical sexual relations with a young person who is below the age of consent in that place. There should be no preemptive arrests. A person who fantasises about pedophilia or has collected tons of child porn may be a deviant, but should never be labeled a pedophile under the law.
Japan, oddities notwithstanding, seem far more enlightened when it comes to separating fiction from real crime.
This pedophilia paranoia will backfire when children in need of help are ignored and are kept a distance by other people. I am not a parent, so it does not concern me. Some of you may be parents. You won’t like it.
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@mgtow
This.
When this is finished I have no doubt that the two girls will be let of with an admonishment, while the boy will be on the sex offender registry. The prosecutor or court will label him the “primary agressor” or some such nonsense.
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Canadian Girl,
Your response to Arbitrary misses a BIG point:
Everywhere else, this boy has been villified.
The girls has not been villified anywhere but here.
Please make a valid comparison – she can’t be blameless for tryign to use the power of her sexuality to draw him in, and most of us think it’s low-class (at least) to send on such a photo to anyone. However – HE is being charged, and will statistically bear the harshest punishment. The other girls may get a slap on the wrist, but it is unlikely they will eb dealt with as sex offenders (for instance, they didn’t send the photo in the story above – thereforem plausible deniability, or “reasonable doubt”, which at worst is likely to mean plea-bargain to a lesser offence for a mininmal sentence.
Meantime, the manipulative female that started this whole thing has been “humiliated” – ie, her feeligns are hurt, not because of what she did, or the repercussions on the other girls, or the boy, but because people she didn’t want to see her hoo-ha saw it anyway.
She was the one who took the photo. Obviously she wanted SOMEONE to see her without clothing. (I’m also guessing it’s not just a cheesecake photo, but pron.) He problem isn’t doing the crime, but being found out. She doesn’t regret (care about) anyone else in this situation – she cares about how bad SHE looks.
To simplify, she’s just bawling, “MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!!!!” and throwing a temper tantrum.
Those of us who are less tolerant of such stupidity would start to distribute ejaculating dildos… Filled with Capsaicin.
Cum on, girls, have a blast….
(for those who don’t know, capsaicin is the active ingredient in hot peppers, that makes them hot.)
(and while I’m not prone to make such a personal attack – I AM the type to believe in “natural justice”, and I am not even REMOTELY unique or alone in that.)
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Liberals.
Defending the virtue of women who don’t have any.
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MGTOW,
As someone who hasn’t cared about any female under the age fo 21 for almost a decade now, I fully agree. The GF suggested I should get the car washed at the highschool carwash… I drove past and felt dirty just being around children who seemed hell-bent on whoring themselves out, and that was with the girls wearing bikinis. I’ve seen more clothing (and less skin) in pornos…
Already has happened – man in Britain, IIRC, was “talked to” because a toddler drowned after he walked away. This man had no filial duty, though perhaps a human duty was violated – but this man had the options of either taking a chance the child would be fine, taking the chance another human being would intervene, or intervening himself and possibly being charged as a molestor. My current bad attitude, I’d probably walk over and hold the kid’s head under…. But I’m turning into a virulent, nasty, SOB. 3 years of pseudo-marriage to a moron and her womb-turd will do that to you…
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Of course she is harmed but she is as much responsible for that as the other kids. Had an adult been in possession of the pictures and decided to distribute them, it would have been totally different. But they are KIDS, for god’s sake. You can’t expect them to behave like mature and grounded adults. That kind of things is pretty common amongst youngsters nowadays. They SHOULD BE punished but flagging them as sex offenders for the rest of their lives is far too much, it’s a disproportionate reaction.
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Jean, it’s going to get a lot worse if you don’t disappear while you still can.
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Does the girl have a father? Hmmmm?
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These are a few things boys deal with on a regular basis in today’s school:
1. Inappropriate touching by girls (eg. ass grab, crotch grab)
2. direct sexual innuendos (eg. female bragging about her BJ prowess, suggestive talk)
3. sexually suggestive text messages
4. sexually suggestive emails
5. sexually suggestive pictures via email, facebook, cell phone pics, etc.,
6. lengthy phone calls where the female is as sexually suggestive as much as he is
7. inappropriate ogling from a female and her friends
8. sexually suggestive behaviour (eg. propping up breasts, opening legs, licking lips)
The above list was produced by teenage boys!
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Some guy wrote:
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Toby…
Toby…
Toby….
Wait, that’s the mailman’s name!
(just kidding, Toby.)
Seriously, I probably shouldn’t have been so blatant in my comments, but there was a post here today about feelings….
By your comment, I wasn’t quite sure what you meant – leave Spearhead (cool off), or leave the US? Not having an income stream at this point (woman took care of any and all), I can’t emigrate – yet. The other possible interpretation was the reasoning behind the tease above… As in, the woman has plans… (no wonder she insists on paying my life insurance…)
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Properly blockquoted version:
Some guy wrote:
Depends on the woman.
Lucretia refused Sextus Tarquinius until he threatened to kill a her and a slave and claim that he had killed them both when he found her committing adultery with the slave.
The thought of that was so horrible that she then let him rape her.
She then called her father and husband, told them what happened, and killed herself.
Livy reported this as HISTORY.
Also, it bears repeating that making every woman who let her boyfriend/husband take a naked picture of her is a slut makes a very large number of fairly decent women “sluts”.
The old stories had a lot better understanding of women than today.
http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheLittleMermaid_e.html
Granted, that’s just an exert and a little out of context. Notice in the original, the Mermaid’s deal with the devil has disastrous consequences.
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None of the kids, male or female, deserve to have trouble for this.
Of course, it is foolish to give any minor their own cellphone.
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I nominate the Ifwood
for magical tree
in our enchanted forest of
Somebodyshoulddosomethingshire
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Toby said:
Teenage naivety, eh? So he had no idea he would hurt her? Are you serious?
For some reason I heard a little voice in my head saying “Women don’t lie about rape” when I read that little line. Why would that be?
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That’s how you keep middle school girls from doing stupid things like sending naked pictures of themselves over the internet. If you try to prevent them from doing so by arresting other people who are party to their sluttiness, girls will just keep on acting like sluts, tramps, hussies, what have you.
Don’t you get it?
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@”Fingerbang_Whatever”
There, you have it. A young man’s life is worth less than a female’s self-imposed embarrassment. Are you serious about existing as an intelligent lifeform? Society rules are created by village idiots like this one.
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Welmer
He distributed the photos and has shown himself to be a douchebag, not a criminal, but a douchebag no doubt.
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Because this chick did something that she now feels embarrassed about you want this boy to have to explain to any prospective employer why he’s on a sex offender registry, are you serious?
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Sure, and the girls who sent the picture all over the place have shown themselves to be vicious little bitches. Nobody looks good here, but it never would have happened if the girl hadn’t been a retarded little tramp and sent the naked picture in the first place.
Now at least three kids are facing a permanent record as sex offenders!
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No, Fingerbang_Whatever, wants the the boy to be MURDERED as punishment for causing embarrassment to a girl. Rats have a greater right to life in Fingerbang_Whatever’s world than male humans do.
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No one held a gun to the boy’s head and forced him to be a douchebag, he did it himself.
Why are you making excuses when a boy behaves badly, isn’t that what you accuse women of?
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And she won’t learn the lesson. At all.
If anything, she will learn that she can do terrible things and get other people in trouble while others fawn all over her and treat her as a victim.
This … is how you ENCOURAGE her behaviour!
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You fucking idiot. Being a slut will not cause a woman to have to live in a cardboard box and eat out of a dumpster, it does the opposite.
Being on a sex offender registry will make it damn near impossible for this man to get a home in a decent neighborhood or a decent job.
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The boy didn’t behave badly.
The article quite clearly states that the other two girls CONVINCED him to send them the photo.
We all know what that is innuendo for.
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canadian girl -
In this day and age, men need additional help/support, especially with everything being stacked against them.
You know, otherwise they might turn violent and abusive, as you so noted:
“When men have an emotion they can not manage they drink or do drug or they get angry and yell, hit, hurt or destroy things. “
You = crazy bitch w/ issues.
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Who’s making excuses for the boy? I just don’t think he should have been arrested, and I think the girl who sent the picture is ultimately most responsible of all.
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Exactly.
In a sane world, forwarding a picture begrudgingly does not equal committing a crime, there’s no possible way this kid could have worked out beforehand that that action would have any other consequence than pissing his girlfriend off.
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Mark – you wrote
In a sane world, forwarding a picture begrudgingly does not equal committing a crime, there’s no possible way this kid could have worked out beforehand that that action would have any other consequence than pissing his girlfriend off.
Do you really think that boys are that stupid?
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No, I think girls are fucking stupid for thinking the law is there to protect them from their own stupidity and politicizing normal teenage sexual relations to the point where a little kid is a criminal for being male and being horny.
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As far as I can tell everyone involved with this was a ‘child’. The only are mentioned by Welmer was 14 so I take it that that was their common age.
I think is prime in the extreme to call any of the people involved sluts. Sometimes I get the impression that some readers have difficulty with girls being sexual. Kids will naturally want to push the sexual boundaries and if they are doing this with kids of their own are I don’t see how this is a problem. It only becomes a problem when adults who might be predatory get involved.
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You are right, this whole case is stupid. No one should be charged criminally but the boy is a douche bag.
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I’ll answer that one.
Yes, middle school boys are that stupid.
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Welmer –
Then why can’t middle school girls be equally stupid?
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Maybe so, but being a douchebag is nota crime. If it was, Kevin Federline would be doing life.
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Dumb bitch do you know how to read for comprehension? The poor wittle innocent girl DID NOT get charged and is being treated as the victim by both her community and police department.
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Jesus fucking christ. She is not being charged with a crime.
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But she is the one being called a whore and a slut.
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Big fucking deal. You don’t get assraped in prison for being a whore or a slut.
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Apparently, to Canadian Girl, a boy being charged with a crime and going on the sex offender registry is equivalent to a girl being called a whore and a slut. That should tell you all you need to know about CG and her comments.
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I agree, this is not a criminal matter, and I doubt it was the girl’s decision to pursue criminal charges, or to make this national news.
So why is she getting all the hate?
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Paul, shaming language was developed largely for young girls’ protection. It served as a social deterrent to keep them from acting in ways that would result in being brutalized by their peers.
Notice how canadian girl can’t get over the fact that this girl is facing shame and social ridicule. This is hugely significant to young women — even more significant to them, apparently, than a boy being branded a sex offender for life.
Of course, it is other girls who do the majority of damage to girls, as was the case here with the boy’s other girlfriends demanding the photo and then spreading it around. Adults who recognize this take care to inculcate a sense of shame in their daughters to prevent them from behaving in ways that would make them easy targets for possibly the most naturally vicious people in the world — middle school girls.
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14? Darn, that’s pretty young to be doing something like that.
How old is the boy?
Back in the day, their parents would have beaten the snot out of them, and that would be that. Then again, back in the day you didn’t have 14 year-olds making personal pornos. Crazy world we live in.
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Welmer – I have indicated several times that this is not a criminal matter. He did an asshole thing, and is a douchebag, not a criminal.
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Good comment, Welmer.
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canadian girl, I’ve had enough. Just fuck off.
You’re comparing, being placed on the sex offender’s register for life, with someone calling you names, and saying that the latter is worse.
Just fuck off. You are the cancer that is killing society. Seriously, fuck off.
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I have always indicated that this is not a criminal matter, he should NOT go to jail or be on any list.
She was a stupid idiot. He was an asshole.
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Look at the music videos tht are on cable and the way the bitches dance. Well the young girls mimic this crap and that is what you get.
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Canadian Girl cannot conceive of a female having any responsibility for any action as long as there is a male around to blame.
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Speaking of which, Steve…
Did you guys check out the total smack-down Senator Gregg gave this MSNBC tussy? Hilarious! One of the commenters wrote:
LOL. It’s great.
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Text girl is a slut, boy is dumbass, other two girls are assholes.
FTFY
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“boys will be boys”
Result:
-sex offender registry
-criminal charges
-chemical castration (Ritallin, ADHD drugs)
-state sponsored misandry
-village idiots like Comment_Whatever calling for boy’s hanging/murder/death/electrocution/imprisonment etc
“girls will be girls”
Result:
-”victims” counseling
-community support, understanding and compassion for “victim”
-no criminal charges against “victim”
-climate (both legal and cultural) of zero female accountability
BUUUUUUT somebody (a bad boy/man) called her a SLUT.
You are a fucking joke if you continue to argue with these cold hard facts, Canadian_Girl
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They all need a good whuppin. Whatever happened to getting some switches? A heck of a lot of teenage stupidity has been handled with switches.
Sounds like a case of parents abdicating their responsibilities to schools and the court system. Like they now pick up preschoolers for shoplifting. My dad would’ve just gotten out the belt and handled it himself.
They change the laws to make parents into wimps.
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In general it does not seem that women are capable of any concern or compassion for anything that happens to a male of any age – seemingly because they are so busy extorting compassion for their own sex’s “sufferings.”
What I find curious about this whole affair is where are the adults with any sense? And, I’m not just talking about the parents here. What kind of idiots blow such a thing so blatantly out of proportion? (That’s a rhetorical question, we all know exactly what kind of idiots are running the show.)
For whatever foolish things were done by teenagers who are in the stage of life when people are expected to do stupid things, it is the actions and reactions of so-called “adults” who are turning this from a silly mistake into the potentially tragic destruction of 3 kid’s lives.
What in the world has led people to hate children so much?
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””””’They change the laws to make parents into wimps.”””
Yea woman really gonna hate it when all the kids are taken away and no more free money lol
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What do you think should happen to this girl, should she forever bear the scarlet letter, should she be locked up in a nunnery? Sounds kind of like jail and being on a sex offenders list.
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@B&G
That was pretty classic. Passive-aggressive BS then trying to pretend to deny it. “Oh but that’s not what I meant” Of course that was what she meant and was trying to set up a gotcha moment.
BTW — Townhall sure has a lot of ads…
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In answer to various people’s questions on the ages involved, there is indeed one other detail provided in the Seattle PI article linked here…the other two girls were 13.
There is also the usual disgusting bit of sexism present, in that the article repeatedly refers to 3 teens as being arrested…except in the following sentence: “According to police, one of the boys sent a naked picture of his 14-year-old ex-girlfriend by cell phone to two 13-year-old girls, who forwarded it on to others.” That is, the collective groups of a boy and two girls doing something wrong is referred to here as “boys”, and the one male member of that group is referred to as “one of the boys”. This is typical in nature (identifying gender only when the perpetrator is male or when the victim is female), but atypical in just how ridiculous it sounds in context.
Canadian_girl, if you insist we call the boy involved an asshole or douchebag for giving in to peer pressure and sending the picture to two other people, what would you like us to call the two girls who forwarded the picture along to “dozens of other students” at four different schools?
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Seriously !?!
What an ultramaroon…
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Steve,
Yeah, hard to read their stuff sometimes because there’s so much blinking at me. But they’re a good source for articles.
Gunslinger,
I don’t use a belt. But if my daughter or son did some mess like this, then heck yeah, I’d tan their hide. You gotta draw the line somewhere. But I wouldn’t have reported the boy to the authorities. It’s not a crime, in my opinion. And they’re just kids.
My first thought was, “Why in the world does a 14-year-old girl have a boyfriend?”
Quick, somebody call somebody and do something!
CanadianGirl, you are not serious. Sex offender lists are worse than a scarlett letter! You can’t enter your children’s school, live anywhere near a school or daycare, have to report yourself to future employers, etc. It follows you forever and turns your life into a freaking hell.
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Anyway, we have cell phones, but we turned off the text messaging function. I don’t know why more parents don’t do that.
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Given her age, I doubt she will live this down through high school. I similarly doubt anyone will hear about it after that (unless this blows up so much in the face of others that they hound her with it in an effort at personal vengeance). None of this activity should be considered criminal…based on the story as provided, the only two people who were malicious (rather than simply stupid) were the other two girls.
Regardless of this, having a criminal record, being on the sex offender list, etc. has lasting effects on job prospects. Being called a slut in middle school has, at worst, lasting effects on a person’s self esteem. Are you really trying to equate the two?
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Tra la la laaa! Here comes Canucklehead Girl, bounding out of the phone booth with her pink toque pulled firmly over her eyes, proving once again that men have been right for the past 5,000 years: Women have no place on juries!
God help Canuckistan as we head into this ever darkening period in our history.
Hmmm… you know, it actually does freeze over in hell.
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I never equated going to jail with being called names. I have always indicated that the boy is not a criminal and should not be charged. I do think that people on the list were too harsh on the girl and blamed her for what the boy did.
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Mark,
Canadian Girl is intentionally dense. So much so, I do not think it is a Devil’s Advocate routine, but rather obstructionist.
She ahs to know better, in a world where teenage boys are told to get a job to pay for the child of the 30+ year old teacher they knocked up. (IIRC, that one was Canada…)
So, female teacher seduces male child (defined simply as under 18), he is liable for child support.
Male child has consensual sex with female child, but is four years older (For example, he’s a HS senior, she’s a HS freshman), he goes to jail and gets on Sex Offender registry.
Female child is senior, he’s freshman, she initiates, he goes to jail if he does her (statutory rape), gets charged with rape if he turns her down (maybe – not all women are beasts), and he might get that beautiful Rapist – Sex Registry entry even if innocent.
Male adult (18+) takes a willing adult female for drinks, they go home and engage in sex – she’s a victim, he’s a rapist, and it is BY LAW in Britain, as she cannot give consent (but apparrently he can, even if she carries him back, which is why he is the rapist and she is the victim).
And of course, male adult has sex with WILLING female child, he goes to jail and probably never gets out.
There are examples for these situations, Canadian girl. Google them yourself, they are reported incidents.
As for everyone else – we do not wish to hurt those we care for, but sometimes that is the only way to force them to grow up to be responsible adults. It occurred to me, as a now cynical, spiteful, nasty SOB, that my parents, mom especially tried to shelter me from all the evils fo the world. Coddle the child, shield it from nastiness, from the ugliness of the world, and it will grow up with a very self-important self-image, groundless (and boundless) self-esteem, and a sense of entitlement. Had I been born a girl and treated that way, I would probably be even worse than many of the harpies we take issue with. But I was born male, and dad was free with his hands. The real world dealt with the rest of the rough edges (and I wanted very much to improve my chances with the sacred creatures we call women… Look where THAT lead, Roissy, MND, Angry Harry, etc.)
But when you shelter someone from all their bad decisions and all possible consequences, you DO infantilize them. You separate the action from the result (reaction), and they go through life blissfully ignorant of what they cause. What we now equate with maturity comes from the “school of hard knocks” education, which boys get by climbing trees, doing farm work, shooting guns, cutting wood, and occasionally blowing things (including themselves) into small pieces. Sometimes they kill each other, sometimes they kill themselves. The risks have been altered to drugs, fast cars, BASE jumping, skydiving, drinking, doing outrageously stupid stunts on (motor)bikes, skateboards, even lawnmowers – but it still falls under that line from Dirty Harry – “A Man’s Got To Know his Limitations.”
Women never have done quite as much that was so blatantly risky. Sure, some would occasionally turn out violent, socipathic, murderous, but they had been through their own equivalent of hard knocks – housework (laundry done by hand), cooking for the hands, harvesting, killing and prepping chickens, birthing cows/goats/pigs, etc, not to mention raising some of these animals as pets, then slaughtering them for dinner later… not to mention, being part of childbirth. Soemtimes pullign the plow, or historcially, busting sod, mending fishnets, “gardening” for sustenance, managing farms and estates, sometimes businesses, making clothes… Maybe not a obviously rough as the male versions, but think of the games – fostering cooperation and careful interaction (think jumprope, jacks, cat’s cradle, hopscotch, etc.) Not as competitve, but definitely could be dangerous. Jumping rope isn’t a big deal, unless there’s a sinkhole, or farm equipment, or you break a bone or crack your skull, or maybe the bull got loose… Not as intrinsically dangerous as climbing to the top of a 50-foot tree, but when I climbed – I could get an idea of whether or not a branch could hold my weight. Only a fool would try to step on a too-thin limb without testing it first… In these ways, with the resultant injuries, both men and women learned a sense of self: self-respect, self-reliance, good judgement, and strong work ethics. They learned from the (sometimes bad) example of others, and people TALKED more. They may not have spoken to foreigners from another state much, or a Hampshire resident might never see a North Darbyshire resident, but the experiences were similar, and the hard knocks were there for both. And some could talk back and forth, and some meant harm to all who came near.
Compare that to now, when we can’t even get the TV turned off, let alone have a meaningful conversation with ANYONE. (Example, the woman won’t talk politics with me. She’s a socialist, so we don’t have much to say, but she won’t even accept that she’s a socialist by her actions, so talking about freedom, self-reliance, responsiblity, etc is generally lost before I start, and that’s when she wants to fight instead of just ignore me.) I can talk to my parents occasionally, but their world was heavily influenced by growing up in the post-war (WW2) years, and by the silent takeover of feminazi thought in colleges. I was quite surprised to find how many shibboleths my mother included in my upbringing – from almost feminizing me psychologically, to encouraging me to play with the girls (instead of the boys, because of the rough and tumble attitudes), to getting the teacher involved when I was being picked on (rather than stand up for myself), to bitching about my enjoyment of weightlifting and martial arts, to not allowing me toy guns, to pushing me into reading, denigrating sports (baseball and football specifically), bitching if I took things apart…. You get the idea. And school-wise, never good enough. Get a 98, where’s the other two points?
Anyway, too much personal/off-topic rambling. The point I was trying to make is that many of us have been twisted subtley by the VERY THINGS that feminism IS, that were slipped in unawares by well-meaning parents who thought they were doing the right things. Coupled with the parental drive to protect the young, it becomes a system of aiding and abetting the WORST elements of human nature – which used to get beaten out of you when you were in gradeschool through the trial and error processes of playground fights or social isolation, and rarely if ever got to the point of even serious school punishments.
These days, a 5-second fight leaves one dead and two wounded, because fists just don’t cut it anymore. Guns, knives, clubs (baseball bat, belt), brass knuckles are “normal”, and all the energy that used to be burned off on the playground is funnelled into pseudo-macho vitriol and swagger – and that’s among the GIRLS, the boys are worse. It often manifests as violence, and in an overt (male) way, such as a fight. Much of that is fostered by “feelings” rather than reasonable or logical actions, too – which brings us back to the articl here, which essentially says – feelings DO NOT matter in the grand scheme of things. Actions and reactions and results DO.
Canadian girl, I hope you’re listening – ’cause the nastiness is not just limited to New Jersey in the USA. You can be a pearl, or a swine. Right now, you’re smelling like bacon….
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So are you a liar or really that unable to comprehend the written word?
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No, you suggested that we believe that she should bear the scarlet letter and be locked up in a nunnery, based on our choice to call her names. THEN you suggested that this was similar to being thrown in jail. I apologize for not supplying the additional degree of separation you supplied in my question. Instead I will ask:
Do you really think being called names is equivalent to being locked up in a nunnery?
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Canadian girl:…but the 14 year old girl is a slut and a whore, these are appropraite words used to describe her behaviour. She should be ashamed that she is a slut and a whore. I would be ashamed for her as a parent, as her teacher, aunt, uncle, brother, grandmother, etc….
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Paul – Look these kids where just experimenting. It is neither a crime or indeed very serious. Keep a sense of proportion.
Yes indeed, and I don’t believe this girl should not be referred to as a slut either.
I remember awkwardly kissing my mothers friends daughter(she had bad breath), and catching a feel, in the basement of her folks house when we went to visit. I can’t remember how old we were exactly, but it was YOUNG. The cell phone pic’s exchange of today, is I believe, NORMAL behaviour. A modern version of the OLD game… I’ll show you mine, if you show me yours.
Maybe, we need to bring back the stocks, or publicly flog these child sluts. It would at least be more merciful, then BRANDING them as a SEX OFFENDER for life.
All these twisted wacko’s, need to get a fuck’n grip on reality in my view, and stop projecting their fears and ignorance onto our children.
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I do think that people on the list were too harsh on the girl and blamed her for what the boy did.
I’m wondering where the parents were. Notice how there’s no father mentioned in relation to the girl. Why does it not surprise me that a fatherless 14-year-old is desperate for attention from some boy?
Gunslinger,
I’ve been thinking about switches and it brings back fond memories of my childhood. LOL.
When I was in 4th grade, I called my mother a “bitch” and my father grabbed me by the arm, dragged me upstairs, handed me a bar of soap, and told me, “Bite it off and chew it. We need to clean your mouth out real good.” It was Irish Spring (I’ll never forget that) and it tasted really terrible. But that was the first and the last time I ever talked back to my mother.
Kids talk back all the time nowadays. I see them, cursing at their parents in public. Makes me itch to go get some good-ole Irish Spring. But that’s called “child abuse” nowadays. I’m just old-school, I guess.
That’s why the kids are all little psychos. Because their parents are wimps and raise them to be little tyrants. It doesn’t surprise me that modern men can’t handle their women; the women can’t handle their children either. I talk to mothers sometimes about homeschooling and you should see the abject horror on their faces. The idea of spending significant amounts of time with their children frightens them.
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B&G,
Given what they gave birth to, I’d be afraid, too!
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People on sex offender registries and who have criminal records don’t have the same rights as the rest of us. Their movements are tracked, their DNA is the property of the state and they make up a readily available pool of suspects to interview whenever a crime occurs.
The ease with which police and prosecutors are charging and convicting people – especially men – is beginning to look more like harvesting than law enforcement.
These incidents are being used as cover to take away more and more people’s rights.
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Sex offender registries are a total sham. You do your crime, you do your time. But don’t be punishing them among the civilian population. If they’re that dangerous, don’t let them out.
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Oh,I know. A lot of women will invent excuses out of thin air for a female they have never met,don’t know personally, and have no stake in the outcome of their situation just because it is a female they’re talking about. Then they have the nerve to call us sexist.
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Jean.
You said it. Some of their children are real monsters. I’m not talking about normal childhood rambunctiousness (which used to be called “being a kid”, but is now considered pathological). I’m talking about standing up at the mall, and telling your mother to STFU.
School did it. Because you aren’t stuck living day-to-day with your kids, you could spoil them without personal consequences. Just send your brat off to school to have the teacher raise them. You rarely see homeschoolers misbehave like that. Imagine if you were stuck in a house with a spoiled brat all day, 7 days a week. You’d go absolutely bonkers!
So, you know if you’re going to be raising them, you need to make sure they’re tolerable human beings.
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Arbitrary wildly hallucinated:
First, Arbitrary, I AM THE ONE that suggested that releasing naked pictures of the girl is similar to branding the boy a sex offender. So please address ME. Second, I AM THE ONE that suggested in “old times” the boy might accidentally end up dead for his little stunt. Not as an opinion, but as a FACT.
At no time did I or anyone suggest that calling her names was the same as being put in jail. Nobody said that except you hysterics.
Typical American behavior. Yes, the boy “called her names”. Really? Did any of you read the article? I’m kinda thinking you didn’t if you think what the boy did was “call her names”.
zel said:
So in your opinion, your mother’s friends daughter is a slut and a whore.
Just so we can be clear here. Was the girl you kissed a filthy whore or not?
Also, I’d like everyone to tell me, is every single woman who has ever allowed a boyfriend/husband to take a naked picture of her a slut and a whore?
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Black and German:
Are you referring to 16 year old “kids”? Because sixteen year olds weren’t forced to be “kids” a hundred years ago. They could leave their families, find jobs, and have their own lives without the police department tracking them down and dragging them back to their families.
It’s entirely possible that these adults would very much like to leave their parents, and simply aren’t allowed to. You made the rules, the adults don’t like it, to bad and stop whining.
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1st – this wasn’t boyfriend/husband taking the picture. The slut took it herself and sent it. Who put it out to be forwarded? – she did.
2nd – Re-asking an obviously false dichotomy — every single time or never at all — does not make it any less sophmoric than the first time.
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Comment_Whatever,
No, I’m talking about middle-schoolers. 16 year olds are adults.
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First, Arbitrary, I AM THE ONE that suggested that releasing naked pictures of the girl is similar to branding the boy a sex offender. So please address ME. Second, I AM THE ONE that suggested in “old times” the boy might accidentally end up dead for his little stunt. Not as an opinion, but as a FACT. — Comment Whatever.
And why do you think that? Girls have always known that “giving it up” will make them a target. Kids aren’t as “dumb” as you might think. 14 year old girls are quite aware of their sexuality – early bloomers complain about attention, late bloomers complain about lack of attention… both are victims, apparently. I remember the 13 year old girls when I was 13, and they were quite happy to offer up a feel behind the gym, and would bring their friends to join in. This stuff has been going on for a looong time. The girls didn’t hide it back then either.
Second, you might be talking waaaaay back in history, maybe… but I would like some proof. I know I can find evidence of laws existing about 100 years ago that a 14yr old boy could be charged with a sex crime for having sexual relations with a girl of 16 who initiated the sex herself. Despite the fact that it is well known that females maturate faster than males… your attitude has been around for a long time.
If you came to kill my boy, you’d be dead at the end of my driveway. Bang! Just like that, no second thoughts. Wouldn’t even bring it up at confession. Bring the Hatfields and the McCoys if you would like. I got lotsa shells. What mountain range do you live in anyway, that you think this is a capital crime that ought to be meeted out with vigilante justice?
Get a grip!
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Comment_whatever:
Canadian_girl said:
“What do you think should happen to this girl, should she forever bear the scarlet letter, should she be locked up in a nunnery? Sounds kind of like jail and being on a sex offenders list.”
I hallucinated nothing. You didn’t bother reading. Any questions?
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SteveInTX:
3rd-Cowardly refusing to answer the question, because you know it isn’t in your favor, and you refuse to be honest about anything that doesn’t benefit you.
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Funny thing about a hundred years ago, a 14 year old girl pulling down her bloomers to show her boyfriend her goodies would be called……
wait for it…..
a slut
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Nice try via projection and shaming language…
next
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As further evidence of your lack of reading comprehension we consider:
No, I’m talking about Canadian_girl’s complaints about the posters here calling the girl a slut and a whore. I was not talking about what he did.
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Teen Rape Double Standards: Now and Then.
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Arbitrary:
I was off there. Yep.
Still. you DID say, and I quote:
Arbitrary:
So yes, you do seem to be claiming that she was just “called names”. Are you willing to defend your absurd claim that all that was done to her was “calling her names?
Also, since those picture are “loose” all it takes is one nasty girl from her school to go to the same college as she goes to, and “BOOM!” she is Slutted in college to. Arbitrary, would you care to bet that not one single malicious girl from her school will go to the college she goes to?
Those are long odds.
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Also, it’ s pretty obvious that canadian girl is being sarcastic with the nunnery comment, and you just chose to take it seriously for your own purposes.
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Also, since those picture are “loose” all it takes is one nasty girl from her school to go to the same college as she goes to, and “BOOM!” she is Slutted in college to. Arbitrary, would you care to bet that not one single malicious girl from her school will go to the college she goes to? — Comment Whatever
Well… gee, at college you are 18, and if you distribute pictures of minors at 18 years old, you will be punished harshly for distributing child pornography.
My goodness, the vapours!
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fedrz:
So you seem to be both claiming that I’m wrong and that I’m right. That people would react that way I said they would… at least that’s what your example suggest, and that they wouldn’t.
Mind you, I never said I agreed with the reaction, I simply said that what was done to her was a big deal. Women have committed suicide over less.
If she kills herself, will you, being such a big person, admit that maybe it was a “little mean”?
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Spay and neuter your mossbacks now.
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Damn, reaching a little to try for some conflation there.
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So you seem to be both claiming that I’m wrong and that I’m right. That people would react that way I said they would… at least that’s what your example suggest, and that they wouldn’t. — Comment Whatever
Yeah, like 700 years ago, when my great, great, great Grandpappy climbed the wall of the castle and slipped it to to the Princess, daughter of the King of Holland. That might have happened – wait a minute, then why am I here?
But also, back then, for minor crimes, they used to put you into a barrel with nails driven into it and roll you down the street. They actually used to tar and feather people too, and “the rack” was a real device.
And what if the boy were to kill himself, being labelled for life by a “sex crime.”
Like I said, get a grip. Deep breaths and count to ten.
I don’t put teenage kids into jail for leaving a burning bag of dog crap on my door step either.
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Comment_Whatever January 29, 2010 at 14:39
What?! (sigh)Take your meds.
No! Of course she wasn’t!! You have issues…
Not my thing personally(I’ve never felt the need). I don’t see this act qualifying her as being a whore. Not even for single women who WANT such photos taken.
That said, if a photo was to get around showing a naked woman, with a watermelon wedged in her muff, a champagne bottle deep up her arse,
whilst gagging on her boyfriend/husbands tool. Well, I would then, both expect and understand, if she were labeled a Whore/Slut and stupid fuck’n cunt.
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Yeah, that would make sense. In previous cases that’s what they did. Didn’t make any sense then though either, just like charging school aged children with violating the laws that were created to protect them. Now I want you all to think about that for a moment. They’re being punished…for violating laws….that were specifically created…to protect them. The fact they’re charging them as sex offenders completely nullifies the assumption they are not sexual beings which the laws were assumed to be protecting (their innocence). The fault logic of charging children as sex offenders proves one of two things: the DA is an idiot, or kids in that age range are sexual beings and case make decisions for themselves. While there are going to be some kids in school that are ready for sex, not all of them will be. Operating under the pretext they’re all not ready is leaning on the side of caution. So should they in not charging the same kids who are supposed to be sexually immature and “innocent” in such matters.
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If she “kills herself” over such a silly bit of social censure, it’s likely that she was weak and stupid enough to need culling from the species anyway.
The tired old victim game is totally worn out.
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The point is, “the boy” is actually a nasty person, “the slut” is a dumb fourteen year old who probably doesn’t even have a father to protect her.
Oh, and men and women are different.
Men care a whole lot less what others think of them than women. The chances of that are about zero.
The chances of the girl doing it? Much better. She didn’t have high self-esteem in the first place, or she wouldn’t have been an idiot and sent the pictures in the first place.
I don’t even care about that, and it wasn’t what we were talking about.
Most people going to jail for ten years to be gang-raped would prefer those punishments. The “old times” were actually less brutal than today.
And yet we have that silly over-reaction to the nasty boy’s little stunt.
Let’s see…. maybe the men here don’t get just how negatively what was done effects a woman? I knew a girl who had a “clique” attack on her in Middle School. While they were at it, they threw me in to. She went nutz. I folded up the paper and put it under my desk. Got a little mad from time to time about it, but that’s it. That must have confused the hell out of the little jackals.
Men and women measure things by different rules.
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Fool!
Boys kill themselves almost four times as often as girls. But that’s probably OK by you. Because “they dont care…”
No, YOU don’t care.
I do care.
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zed said:
First, I agree with Welmer, all good little girls should have their fathers put the ever loving fear of god(and the father) in their little girl hearts that they should not engage in sluttish behavior. It stops them from being torn apart in Middle School and High School.
But, Men and women measure things differently. DIFFERENTLY!
Lucretia refused Sextus Tarquinius until he threatened to kill a her and a slave and claim that he had killed them both when he found her committing adultery with the slave.
The thought of that was so horrible that she then let him rape her.
She then called her father and husband, told them what happened, and killed herself.
Livy reported this as HISTORY.
Woman and men measure things differently.
!*BLEEP*! Get that through your heads if you can get nothing else.
THIS WAS NOT A SMALL THING. Anyone who knew game, knew anything about women, would understand just how mean the boy and the girls were being.
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Women don’t “commit” suicide, they “attempt” suicide.
Are you fucking shitting me? Have you seen the statistics on which sex commits suicide more often, and why? If not, go look before you embarrass yourself further. There are stacks of cases a mile fuckin high where men have committed suicide after being falsely accused of rape or unjustly charged with a sex crime, this boy is actually a prime candidate for committing suicide later on, judging by the idiotic facts of his case.
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The point is, “the boy” is actually a nasty person, “the slut” is a dumb fourteen year old who probably doesn’t even have a father to protect her.
Actually, he was probably trying to impress the other two girls, who were really nasty little bitches, doling out Social/Relational Aggression. And, btw, lets not forget that girls mature faster than boys… this ought to play into your thoughts as you hyperventilate.
Men care a whole lot less what others think of them than women. The chances of that are about zero.
The chances of the girl doing it? Much better. She didn’t have high self-esteem in the first place, or she wouldn’t have been an idiot and sent the pictures in the first place.
Call up Aristotle. Women cannot be controlled by the law – they can only be controlled through social shaming from the herd. And it seems her two “girlfriends” are keeping the tradition alive.
When I was in Highschool (and yes in that 14 and 15 yr old range), girls who had lost their virginity were running around bragging to girls who were virgins, “when you become a woman… blah… blah… blah.”
Spare me.
I don’t even care about that, and it wasn’t what we were talking about.
We don’t think this is a crime to warrant death, like Jebediah Hatfield might. Nor really, anything other than what the parents ought to deal with themselves!
Most people going to jail for ten years to be gang-raped would prefer those punishments. The “old times” were actually less brutal than today.
People who spent their lives in a dungeon, chained to a wall, would, I am quite certain, prefer Alcatraz in a heartbeat.
And yet we have that silly over-reaction to the nasty boy’s little stunt.
Aren’t you conveniently forgetting the two girls who got the picture from the boy, the ones with higher maturity level? And what of the girl herself? How do you know she didn’t do this as a publicity stunt for herself?
Let’s see…. maybe the men here don’t get just how negatively what was done effects a woman? I knew a girl who had a “clique” attack on her in Middle School. While they were at it, they threw me in to. She went nutz. I folded up the paper and put it under my desk. Got a little mad from time to time about it, but that’s it. That must have confused the hell out of the little jackals.
Life’s rough, wear a helmet. Best to learn that earlier in life than later.
Men and women measure things by different rules.
Too bad, we live in a day of equality, and if the ladies don’t like it, then they should get back into the kitchen and start making sandwiches.
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That is a naive view. Laws are created by and serve the interests of the powerful. Currently this means the feminists and the abuse industry. Absurdities like children being unable to consent to sex but able to consent to sex crimes make it blatantly clear that protecting children is a secondary concern at best.
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Welmer said:
I have more personal experience than you do with a man close to me killing himself. Ever wonder how I got radicalized?
Men commit suicide because they lost their job, or they can’t get ahead, or they lost their kids, or they lost their home, or their business, or a girlfriend/wife. Or a combination.
In my experience, sympathy doesn’t even seem to help.
That is my personal experience and it had absolutely nothing to do with what “others thought of him”.
Again, women aren’t men. If the “sex offender” label sufficiently damages his life… which it won’t for several years at least, then he might commit suicide because of the damage. But the label itself means jack. Yes men do kill themselves more than women. But not because of what others “think of him”.
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SHE destroyed her reputation. Sorry, but sending naked pics of yourself at 14 kind of does that (eye roll). If a woman or a girl does not want her reputation to be destroyed she should behave in such a manner that it can’t happen. She put the ammunition in their hands.
Canadian girl, you don’t seem to be inclined to call the two who actually did the mass forwarding ‘douche bags’? He sent it to two girls who convinced him to, THEY sent it to dozens of others in other schools. They would seem to be the bigger douche bags.
Zed, I don’t know that it’s that children are hated. I think it’s a case of parents abdicating their responsibility to punish their own children. If you want to be your kids’ best buddy and not a parent, then you have to delegate the discipline. If you leave it to cops and lawyers, well, they’re going to behave like cops and lawyers. It would be a cold day in hell before I’d let somebody step in and do this to my son, but I read case after case in the news of little boys being expelled for drawing pictures of guns, playing cops and robbers (making a gun with their hands/fingers was deemed ‘a threat’) and most recent for carrying a Boy Scout knife.The parents are interviewed on TV (I watch the clips online) and while they protest that what’s been done to their sons ‘isn’t fair’ I don’t see the rage and indignation that this should provoke. Parents seem cowed by authority, even if it is obvious that those in charge have major screws loose.
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What does this girl’s Father have to say about all of this? And why would anyone who had received a picture on their cell phone be charged with anything? Another thing I don’t like is that a naked picture even of a minor in itself is not defined as pornography so how does all of this even constitute a crime or come under the definition of “child” porn? It seems that people are being prosecuted today for things which are not even crimes! Every time some little Ho gets her feelings hurt some feminazi prosecutor goes on the warpath. As I said, it does not constitute pornography so these prosecutors are obviously looking for some statute that they can fit to the “crime” and with 1000′s of laws on the books you can find something to prosecute anyone.
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Gee that’s okay then. He can just enjoy the next few years with no adulthood to look forward to.
The label means everything.
Comment_Whatever, you have shown yourself, beyond a reasonable doubt, to be a jester, a fool, a rube; some may even say a knave. Time and again, your ignorance has been outweighed only by your density. For this I submit to you, a recommendation that should do us all well; and that, sir, is your voluntary exile from this thread. May I suggest that you relocate to this website, a favourite of mine, from which you may peruse to your heart’s content the resources of which you know little but speak much. After a lengthy period of becoming acquainted with reality, you shall return to us, cap in hand, and extend your sympathies for the boy in question. Until this time, I simply shall not hear another word from you to the contrary!
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I agree with Snark. Canadian_girl is completely out of line. She’s just using this as a forum for her misandry.
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canadian_girl, Comment_Whatever … I’m all in favour of their exile!
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@Avenger
Yeah, it is kind of a funny thing. The one that produced, directed, starred in and originally distributed the thing has no responsibility for the production – only those further down the distribution chain.
It is kind of like academy awards going to the mall cineplex.
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‘Low self-esteem’!? Someone who takes naked pics of herself for and sends them has issues with her body? Eh? T’would seem just the opposite….
“Look at MEEEEEEEE!”
I’ve seen loads of MySpace pages of my niece’s classmates, the cleavage shots, provocative posing…they all seem full of themselves, and look as if they’re trying to outdo each other.
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@crella
The low self-esteem thing is kind of like global warming: full of themselves – acting out due to low self-esteem; withdrawn and unsure – low self-esteem.
You know, all roads lead to Rome.
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fedrz said:
Personally, I’d put the boy, and the two girls, in the stocks to be pilloried for a month. It’s not even, but it will make them sorry.
Since America has the highest prison rate in the world, and it has increased something like four-fold since 1980, most of those “people in jail” wouldn’t BE IN JAIL in earlier times. “Earlier” being the 1970s. Or anywhere else in the world either except Russia.
So I’m afraid, they really wouldn’t have to make that choice between modern and medieval jail because they wouldn’t be in jail in medieval times. Just thirty lashes, quit whining, and off you go. Assuming what they did would even be considered a crime, which it probably wouldn’t be.
So again, we are left with the question why people who, for some odd reason, didn’t want to do the RESPONSIBILITY of getting marijuana users gang-raped, thought the nasty boys actions were very bad.
A normal person, by the way, would use CRUELTY in the place of RESPONSIBILITY, but I’m translating into American.
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First of all, all the kids involved, from the girl who sent the naked picture of herself to her ex, to the ex and the other girls who sent it everwhere else, were just plain dumb. In fact, dumb doesn’t even cover it.
Secondly the boy and the two girls shouldn’t be charged with child pornography.
Here’s the thing though. I can kind of understand why the girl who took the photo in the first place wasn’t charged. When she took that picture and sent it to her then boyfriend, she did not intend for it to be sent to the entire county. It was for him only. Now should she be charged with child pornography for sending it to him in the first place since he himself is a minor?
In the end, should she be held responsible for them deciding to send it to other people? I don’t think so.
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crella said:
You raise a good point.
For example, a boy who is the class-clown is often, deep-down, extremely confident and have a very high sense of self-worth.
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Comment_Whatever,
Who you callin’ American, Kemo Sabe?
And don’t let the vapours derail the conversation about jail, eh?
You were talking about this boy being killed!
And now you are talking about prison rates in America for pot?
Grasping.
At.
Straaaaaaaawwwwwwwsssssssss!!!!
Are you a woman?
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The point is, “the boy” is actually a nasty person, “the slut” is a dumb fourteen year old who probably doesn’t even have a father to protect her. — Comment Whatever
Look at this sexist garbage.
The boy is nasty, but the slut is just dumb.
No dumb excuse for him, eh?
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@ Renee,
My dog had puppies about a year ago. One of them liked to chase cars and about four months ago was hit by one. She didn’t intend to get hit by one, she just thought that she should chase them. Dumb, huh?
In the end, should she be held responsible for the car hitting her? I don’t think so.
But ya know, she’s still dead.
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For example, a boy who is the class-clown is often, deep-down, extremely confident and have a very high sense of self-worth. — Comment Whatever
A plethora of, ahem, “learned” Psychology Ph D’s would beg to differ.
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StevenInTX:
And if you giggled and did a little dance about how she deserved it then you would be a first class sicko.
Following now?
Other men, less forgiving and who cared more than me, would do that in the past, sure. I’d just put them in the stocks.
But why, oh why, did they think it was serious when they were quite obviously lacking, sadly lacking, in our times RESPONSIBILITY. That is our CRUELTY?
When so many, so very serious, CRIMES meant nothing to them, why did they think savaging the young was bad? Shouldn’t they have had elaborate codes of Honor? Like the RESPONSIBILITY of a seven year old to “stand up for himself” to a ten year old? You know, the CRUELTY of allowing a seven year old to be pounded by a ten year old?
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Just thirty lashes, quit whining, and off you go.
Not quite so simple when you consider that 100 lashes was most often a death sentence for a full grown man.
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Comment Whatever,
Whatever are you babbling about now, putting people into the stocks?
What sex are you and where are you from?
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So, we can expect no more brainpower from a 14 y.o. girl than a seven m.o. puppy?
Following now?
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@Fedrz
I think she is currently trying to equate the concept of responsibility with cruelty — although it is a little jumbled.
Just another rabbit trail — it is already seeming a bit like Watership Down with the trails so far.
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SteveinTX,
What’s you point?
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“Again, women aren’t men. If the “sex offender” label sufficiently damages his life… which it won’t for several years at least, then he might commit suicide because of the damage. But the label itself means jack. Yes men do kill themselves more than women. But not because of what others “think of him”.
A woman wrote that, had to be.
The only one to be charged here is the girl that manufactured child pornography and sent it to a child. The other children are victims because they are minors. But females are not held to any standard any where in society. That is why the fix is to arrest everybody else.
The female poster’s here are dangerous and really explain why we are where we are in western society.
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Steve,
Lol, I see.
Anyway….just like how Welmer mentioned, the girl was in middle school just like the other 3 kids. Kids do stupid things, VERY stupid things sometimes. But she did not intend for the photo to be released to the public. That was probably why she wasn’t charged.
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That should be “like Welmer mentioned…”
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@Renee
My point is: reality doesn’t care about intentions.
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Greyghost,
Wait….aren’t they all minors? Or is a 14 yr old not a minor.
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I wonder if Comment_Whatever would agree that women who fib stories about various forms of abuse (without even reporting it as a crime) are also damaging other people’s reputations – often for life – and therefore ought to be fitted with the Scold’s Bridle?
Here, here!
Bring back the Brank!
I vote “AY!”
Do I hear any “Nays?”
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That doesn’t matter with respect to the law. Let’s say I’m a 15 year old boy, and you’re a 30 year old woman. If I take a picture of my penis and send it to you, I would technically be a child pornographer for taking a picture of my own penis and since you have the picture you are technicallya sex offender. It does not matter to the law that the picture was only for you. Only in that case, being in possession of a penis, it would be more likely that I would be charged than you, because I am male.
There’s no legal reason to abstain from charging her with distribution of child pornography, she’s legally in the wrong if he is. Only intending for her boyfriend to have the picture does not absolve her of manufacturing child pornography, according to the technical interpretation. A good analogy might be someone who knowingly accepts stolen goods but then donates them to a charity. It does not matter to the law that you gave them to a charity, it matters that you knowingly committed a crime.
The reason she was not charged is because she’s female, end of story. The other girls who participated will most likely be given plea agreements in exchange for damning testimony against the boy and they will not be charged either.
Since the participants were all children, I don’t think any of them should be prosecuted as pedophiles,or child pornographers, or what have you, as the notion is completely retarded,and flies in the face of common sense.
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@ Renee
I think the reason she wasn’t charged is that the prosecutors wanted to have a “victim” they could parade. They figure that they can get enough reporters and jurists to buy into the dogma that canadian girl and comment whatever have been spewing to force a conviction or a guilty plea.
There was no crime, the only reason it got to a legal status is because the schools officials have no judgment abilities. It was kid shit and should have stayed kid shit.
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That doesn’t matter when mere possession of “child pornography” is a crime. I am also surprised that the girl did not get charged this time, and it it would not surprise me if next they start prosecuting children for looking at themselves in the mirror.
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I think it’s pretty obvious. Whenever an American starts ranting about RESPONSIBILITY what he means is “I got you, and I’m gonna GET YOU GOOD”. CRUELTY with a delightful addition of absurd self-righteousness.
fedrz:
The slut hurt herself. That makes her dumb.
The boy hurt her. That makes him mean.
As for the importance of social shaming. There is a difference between “She is a slut! She sent (blank) a naked picture of herself and I saw it!” and publicly sending the picture to everyone. These girls went to full-beam, maximum damage.
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C_W
To quote Apu from the Simpsons *
“I can’t believe you don’t shut up!”
*if you don’t know who the Simpsons are (since you are not a low-bred mercan and all) you can look it up
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fedrz said:
That’s an interesting question. I think the gag is bad though. They should be put int the stocks and publicly humiliated. They can defend themselves if they want, or shut-up and take it.
Sounds like a great idea.
Oh, and I’m in favor of lashes over prison time to.
And I don’t think drugs should be illegal. Portugal has it right:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
And, again, I wouldn’t kill the little b* and his two little b*’s. I would put them in the stocks. For a month. Yes, I do mean a month.
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How? By accepting her picture? He didn’t do shit to her. The other girls forwarded the picture around.
You really need to stop reflexively blaming the person with a penis.
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Comment_Whatever,
And what would you recommend for lunatic child abusers?
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And what would you recommend for squirmy little vixens who refuse to identify their sex?
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What I don’t get is: they’re all children. Why are they in court to begin with? I thought that the law was about adults and children are supposed to be policed by their parents. Why is the law even involved?
Crella: they all seem full of themselves, and look as if they’re trying to outdo each other
Their lives are empty because they are full of themselves. Ironic, isn’t it? These girls are being raised in a corrupting manner and will suffer their whole lives for it. It is very sad to see.
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That’s an interesting question. I think the gag is bad though. They should be put int the stocks and publicly humiliated. They can defend themselves if they want, or shut-up and take it. — Comment Whatever
Why should we hold back, we are talking about adults after all. And as you previously pointed out, men and women are different, and social shame is horrible for women.
The Brank would bring those little trollops right in line, wouldn’t it?
And then more men would have a pleasant evening at home, instead of heading out to the Tavern, causing her to scrag the stable boy, creating divorce, resulting in fatherless daughters who take naked pictures of themselves… and think of how few arguments little totalitarian man haters like you would be left with! We could live free!
Why, The Brank might be the answer to all of society’s problems!
“Ay” to The Brank!
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That’s a pretty vague, but I assume you mean over-the-top craziness.
Jail. Obviously.
Just have them take the Voight-Beef test.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/exploring-the-mysteries-of-the-mind-with-the-sims-3
It is impossible for a woman to fake the appropriate responses to the Voight-Beef test.
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Haha,I suspect it would be “cruel and inhumane punishment” to force a woman to remain silent in America. Pity that.
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That’s a pretty vague, but I assume you mean over-the-top craziness.
Like putting children in the stocks for a month, or giving them 30 lashes of the whip?
Or not giving a shit that a 14 year old boy will have his life destroyed by being labelled as a sex abuser, and it is ok, because he still has four free years?
You, my dear, are a lunatic child abuser.
Off to Siberia with you, I say, in your stocks and your brank.
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You are right Renee they all are kids. So the one who made it needs to be added with the others if youare going to play the get the sex offender game. If you are gonig to destroy a boys life in the name of protecting society from child pornography and actually be serious about stopping it you get the manufacturer just as hard. Put the girl that took the picture on the dockett and the sexting trend will come to an end.
The female exemption of any responsibility is the problem here and the reason for this being a story. I don’t like the drakonian garbage but i can live with it if it applies to everybody (females also).
No female poster’s seem to grasp the true context of real equality. Men are discussing issues with women that cannot on any level of society be held to any responsibility what so ever. The subject of the discussion we are having is about a female not facing any legal consequences for actions she took.
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These kids are in middle school. The whole thing should be a non-issue. I wouldn’t even call the girl a skank. She’s just a foolish little girl.
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My .02 cents.. For what it is worth.
Yes, the girl is a slut!
She is old enough at fourteen to know right from wrong. (I myself have a daughter who will turn 14 later this year)
It was wrong of her to send a nude pic of herself to that boy. (No one put a gun to her head, did they?
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It is indicative of a lack of morals on her part.
This… and she is only fourteen?
Goodness knows what else she is getting up to
Doesn’t augur well for her future.
Where are the parents?? (as others here have mentioned)
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You know what I love about these comments?
The boy “gave in to peer pressure” and sent these 13 year old girls naked photos of his girlfriend; however, the girl who sent the photos is a slut and a cunt because she gave in to peer pressure in that she sent naked pictures to her boyfriend.
You guys obviously have never picked up an issue of Cosmo (of course not, you all pride yourselves on being manly men!). Throughout the whole magazine they continually suggest that women MUST be sexual at all times in order for men to like them. Also, Cosmo openly advocates sending naked pictures of yourself to your boyfriend, although so does the media at large. Rihanna said recently that if you don’t send naked pictures of yourself to your boyfriend, then she “feels sorry for him”.
This is the world that this girl is growing up in. She is young, and I’m willing to bet that this is her first boyfriend. Yeah, she sent him naked pictures, but I’m sure he promised that he wouldn’t show anyone, and I’m sure she felt uneasy about it as well.
I understand that middle school kids do stupid things, and in this case a boy and three girls did something stupid. They are all in this together, and this girl is probably not a slut, but instead a girl who thought this was how to get boys to like you. This guy probably isn’t a douche or anything, but just a stupid kid who doesn’t yet know how manipulative some girls can be. It’s just middle school kids doing middle school things.
Yes, it’s very sad that these kids are going to be on the sex offender registry, and I do believe that is wrong. However, I think that the crime that is going on in this particular thread is blaming the girl who sent the photos.
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Listen, Sarah. I have a daughter going on fourteen, who would never engage in such behaviour. Do you know why?
First of all we (husband and I ) do not allow her to read crap like Cosmo. Heck, I wouldn’t read that trash myself, either.
More importantly she has parents who have taught her some morals.
Our daughter attends a very good non – denominational Christian school .
Her friends are lovely girls. Most of whom do not even have cell phones
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My own daughter has a cell phone so that I can contact her if I am going to be late picking her up from school.( This often happens as I take my son to see a speech therapist two afternoons a week..)
“She is young, and I’m willing to bet that this is her first boyfriend”
Got a crystal ball have you?
Actions speak louder than words, Sarah!
Nice girls do not send nude pics via a cell phone.. TO ANYONE!
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Pfffffft. Sorry.
So did you send someone naked pictures then? No? Why not, with all that peer pressure and all…
Poor victim…..her Cosmo made her do it.
Bingo.
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Oh bunk, Kathy.
I’ve been around in this world long enough to know that “Christian” girls are often the biggest hypocrites out there.
I’m quite sick of this. It was a naked pic sent to a boyfriend. Nothing more, nothing less. There’s tons of naked pics out there, tons of famous paintings and statues. It’s only a big deal for a few religious people and the nascent “slut shaming” girls club at that particular High school. And most of the ones getting on her about that have probably done similar but never been caught or done worse. She’ll be leaving the school and attending a different one pretty soon according to the article. It was silly and ill-advised, though I’d never go so far as to call it “wrong” as I don’t believe in your religion, and I don’t particularily care about the opinions of some of the nascent female haters on this site either. The only big deal about this whole thing is the authorities over-reaction to the caddishness of the boyfriend and the cruel and user mindsets of the girls who convinced him that sending it around would be a good idea.
Black & German showed compassion from a Christian point of view. I wish you could do the same. A little shame is fine and has its uses , a permanent mark of “slut” at age 14 for having a boyfriend and daring to show him her bodyparts is a bit much.
P.S. I played Doctor with a girl when we were both 8. You can go and be perfectly horrified now.
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Look, Kathy, it’s refreshing to see someone so naive. Also, she will one day discover Cosmo if she hasn’t already. There is no avoiding it, it’s everywhere.
I would also like to clarify that as a FEMINIST I have not read Cosmo myself since – guess when? – high school, which is where your kid will be soon.
I’m sure you believe that your kid and her friends are good girls, but do you honestly think that if she sent a naked picture of herself to a boy that she would tell you? Give me a break.
Given that I don’t know your daughter, it’s entirely possible that she still giggles at the word “penis” and sleeps with stuffed animals. I just don’t think it’s highly likely given the way society presents their teenagers (eg. Miley Cyrus dancing on a stripper pole)
Did I say that I had a crystal ball? I said I was willing to bet that he was her first boyfriend. How many boyfriends do you think this girl has had at 14?
Now, crella, you’re going to dispute the thought that she gave in to peer pressure with a “pfft”? You all think there is peer pressure put on boys and not girls? Why don’t you just stick your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes then?
And as to the second part of your comment, did you ever send naked pictures of your girlfriend (assuming a woman is dense enough to date you in the first place) to anyone else? No? See, this argument can go around in circles, there is peer pressure on boys AND girls, and they both did something stupid, as I said in my earlier post.
All of the men on this thread are inventing excuses to defend this boy they don’t even know, so what’s wrong with me saying that MAYBE we shouldn’t be calling a 14 year old girl a cunt?
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All of the mean on this thread?
Sarah, take that back.
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Clarence,
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Totally agree. Contrary to what a lot of adults seem to want to believe, kids hitting puberty actually have sexual feelings and an interest in sex – both boys and girls. No matter how badly they get clobbered for it, they are still going to have it. Making criminals out of normal children and becoming hysterical over the mechanism that draws men and women together is one of the more stupid things I have seen people do.
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Clarence , I know my daughters friends and their families, quite well. They are decent people.
I understand what you are saying about Christian girls, and I agree, though.
That is why my husband and I carefully chose our daughters school.
We chose not to send her to a Catholic school (we are both Catholics) because we were not happy with the sort of religious education that is now being taught in Catholic schools. Instead we found a small very good christian school that reinforces our own Christian principles. The school is controlled by the parents. It is not an easy school to get into.
I am not a fool Clarence. No child is perfect, and kids make mistakes.
The girl in question sent a pic of herself naked to a boy. That is a deliberate act.
It is also an immoral one.
PSST.. I too played doctor with the boy next door when we were both 6.
No comparison between that and the fourteen year old girl, however.
Nice shaming language too, btw, Clarence
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Oh, Clarence, I got it (It’s been a long week). I take that back, you’re alright. I will revise my statement to say “the majority of the men on this thread”
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Jesus. A web-site devoted to men’s rights and perspectives, and women are arguing with each other about their daughters and how they raise them. Have they no sense of where they are?
This guys, is how you got screwed.
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Most girls ARE sluts these days. Ever seen the movie Thirteen? Bleh.
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The reason most girls are sluts these days is because they have weak or absent fathers. It is called the Electra Effect.
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“A web-site devoted to men’s rights and perspectives, and women are arguing with each other about their daughters and how they raise them. ”
Oh, come on piercedhead, Clarence and Sarah don’t have any daughters
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piercedhead,
Kathy is right you know.
From the looks of things, thank GOD.
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Dear Zel,
You are an idiot.
Now I’ve got that out of the way, the old you show me yours game is not the same as the kids do these days.
Hell, even Dr. Phil has had shows on where 14yo girls talk about their sex lives.
They talk about stuff they did because “everyone else was doing it,” and since their parents never explained that there’s more to sex than just sticking your end in, the kids don’t see the problem with bjs.
Then Dr. Phil has the boys in, who are quite candid in explaining that sure, they’d do all this sexual stuff with girls, but they’d never take one home to meet mum.
The double standard is here to stay, as are photos on mobile phones, facebook, myspace, twitter and everywhere else.
The kids don’t have the sense God gave a fruit bat, and the parents aren’t picking up the slack and bringing them up to understand this.
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Dear nilk,
You call me an idiot, and then quote Dr. Phil(Rolls eyes).
Now I’ve got that out of the way, I’m going to have a shower and then hit the sack.
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Zel the Dr. Phil thing is because if even he can point out that this sort of behaviour is stupid and ultimately detrimental to girls, then Blind Freddy (and Canadian Girl) should be able to get it.
The multimedia the kids have at their constant beck and call is everywhere. Try and get a mobile phone off a 16yo girl.
No, don’t. You’d be better off sticking your arm in a blender. It’s not a pleasant experience. The girls do send smutty pics of themselves to boys, sometimes to ones they don’t know except for msn, and then wonder why they can’t find a nice boyfriend.
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Yes dear. And my point was, that kids are doing it, as kids have before, and… always will. No societal norm will ever stop this… ever!
Kids get the itch, and sexually act(explore)it out in various ways, earlier than many care to acknowledge.
Its not all down to poor nurturing… sometimes, it just nature(tic toc).
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How do you figure it won’t damage his life for several years? As a sex offender:
a) He can’t have any friends his own age, since that would be unlawfully associating with a minor
b) He can’t attend any school anywhere, for the same reason
c) He can’t live with his parents in their house, since it is likely within the sex offender exclusion zone
They will have created an utterly alone, uneducated, homeless boy. How wonderful.
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If you’ve followed the ‘sexting’ controversy at all , most girls are trying to impress boys, and in some cases competing with other girls to get guys. Nowhere in any article on this particular case did it say that anyone talked her into sending the initial picture, although there is mention of two girls talking the boy into giving them the picture. Her own mother didn’t say it was peer pressure, but ‘low self-esteem’ the great catch-all excuse. You surmised it was ‘media’ and Cosmo that made her do this, and peer pressure. My point, in part, is that not one of these girls, when caught ever say ‘I made a mistake’…they’re always a ‘victim’ of low self-esteem, culture, media etc. I think personal accountability is important, a good thing. I’m tired of the excuse-making for women and girls. For once, let somebody say “I screwed up”.
With the second part of my comment I was trying to get you to see that it IS a choice to do something like this. These kids aren’t robots, they are making choices, a lot of times unwise ones, but when do you start to make them accountable for what they are doing? Isn’t 14 old enough?
By ‘accountable’ I don’t mean prosecution…these kids are already through puberty, calling them ‘children’ is somewhat off the mark, and calling the photos ‘child pornography’ is off the wall. This is an issue that could have been taken care of by the parents of these kids. I am really alarmed at the number of boys (teens) that I read about being put on the sex offender’s registry for having sex with a girlfriend 2-3 years younger. The sex offender registry has so many people on it that it strikes me as ineffective in being any kind of a warning system for people with small kids. They want to know about potentially dangerous pedophiles, not teenagers on it for sexting.
Happily married for 30 years as of this coming June. Nice shaming attempt there.
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When I lost my virginity, I was barely 16 (2mos), and the girl was just about 15 (1mo to go). In other words, she was still 14. We had fooled around for months before that… and come to think of it, it was the longest relationship I’ve ever had. It lasted until I was 21 and she was 20… something happened in college – I vaguely recall her chuckling with her new friends about the phrase “Women need men like a fish needs a bicyle.” (Unlike Zed, I didn’t recognize that it was shit being smeared in my face, and I got caught outside during the shitstorm! Although, I do remember it stinging quite a bit that she thought that was a funny phrase.)
She certainly didn’t have low self-esteem – she was quite easily the hottest girl in school, and boy oh boy, the way I remember it, she was all woman! I was your typical bad-boy in highschool though. Go figure!
We were not stupid. People were guessing for years whether we were having sex or not, and we never told anyone. We weren’t stupid about birthcontrol either, and never had sex without condoms. (Although, we did have a malfunction once – ah! Youthful vigor!). Lucky for me, there was a good pharmacist in town who, even though I was friends with one of his sons, never betrayed me and always knew what I was in the store for, and would be waiting for me at the back counter, so I could give my money to a man, rather than going through the front checkout line. I’d wait till he was free and nobody was around, then I’d quickly grab the box and make a beeline for him, and he had them in a bag before I even had the money out of my pocket. LOL! Phew! Thank goodness for him!
Teens are not entirely stupid about sex at that age – and back then, schools were not rife with all kinds of learning how to put a condom on a banana nonsense either.
We were smart enough to keep our sex life quiet, because we knew our parents would flip if we ever got caught. We were “au natural” out in nature many, many times.
But, being sexual at these ages is quite a normal thing.
I have read elsewhere before that often priests and such in the past, used to encourage teenage girls to get married quite early in life, because it was more or less known how difficult it was to convince girls to reign in their sexuality until out of their teens – better to be married and pregnant at 16, than 16 with an illigitimate child, back in the day. Teens have been having sex for a loooooong time already.
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I wrote about this a year ago when the case in Pennsylvania broke. My exact words were,
I stand by that statement. Combustion imminent.
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Max, pederasts are gay. Downloading pictures of tits is evidence of the contrary.
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“All of the men on this thread are inventing excuses to defend this boy they don’t even know, so what’s wrong with me saying that MAYBE we shouldn’t be calling a 14 year old girl a cunt?”
The boy isn’t being excused. The men here are pretty much saying unanimously “Either they’re all guilty, or no one is.”, some of the women, on the other hand, are saying “The girl who sent the pictures is innocent, the girls who forwarded the pictures are innocent, the BOY is guilty.”
However,it’s good that many of the women here recognize that this is just a case of kids doing stupid things, and all of them are guilty of nothing more than raging hormones,criminally speaking. Their parents should be handling this, not the courts.
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Hey, I’m not going to throw stones at these kids because I was 14 myself, and a narcissistic ball of raging hormones. My message isn’t that I’m better than everyone else, merely that it’s possible to improve yourself no matter how low you’ve sunk.
One of the problems I see around me is that once someone goes through puberty, they have the energy and curiosity of a child and the interests and urges of an adult. It is a very, very difficult age.
These kids need active, involved fathers, and they need challenges and activities that go beyond showing up for school and joining the cheerleading or basketball team. They need real work and real goals. They are wasting their most productive and passionate years sexting each other and giving BJs behind the bleachers. It’s a tragic waste of their youthful energy. I really like the message that The Rebelution guys are spreading.
The whole concept of “teenager” is a modern invention that has contributed to the decline of our society.
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From reading through (some) of the comments, I get the impression that certain women are virtually ignoring the existence of the two other girls (who actually did the the mass distribution). It’s as if they put ALL the blame for the distribution on the boy alone -thus, he, and he alone, has harmed the girl who sent the picture to him.
They also seem to be doing the standard “I’m not saying – but, I’m saying” routine. They state they aren’t wishing for the boy to be punished (prosecuted and required to register as a sex offender), then, in the next breath, they decry the harm HE has done to the girl, and suggest that he, alone (again, the other two girls don’t receive mention), needs to be punished.
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This incident ties in very nicely with the marital horizon concept. Delaying marriage has created a sort of sex-vacuum that is being filled with sluttish and promiscuous behavior. Marriage has now been pushed so far out that it no longer has a hold on anyone’s sense of sexual morality.
Waiting a couple of years — okay.
Waiting a couple more years — difficult.
Waiting until your 28 — absolutely ridiculous.
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Oh, I see. So you agree that there IS peer pressure for girls to do this, but you think that they just start sending naked pictures to random guys? That is ridiculous. Why would a girl send a naked picture of herself to a guy unless he asked her to and/or she trusted him? I’m telling you, it would never happen because, like you said, kids aren’t robots, and they understand that sending naked pictures to randoms will end badly.
In sum, they don’t send naked pictures of themselved to people for no reason and the suggestionthat anyone would is absolutely insane.
Look, people want to hear the underlying reasons why you did something, not that you screwed up because that’s obvious. Can you remember your parents being mad at you for doing something stupid? I know that I would tell my father “I screwed up, I’m sorry” and he would come back with “yeah, but WHY did you do it?” it’s just the way these conversations go, and this girl can’t help what the article quotes and what it doesn’t.
Why, yes it is. But of course you only want to see the girl be made “accountable” because she’s a temptress who sent a poor innocent boy a naked picture of her without him asking, right? I’m interested to know what you consider accountability, and what you think the answer to this situation is.
I’m sorry, but the way you present your point ignores plents of factors. It’s like you’ve buried your head in the sand.
That wasn’t an attempt.
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I have not seen this happen through the comments I have read, and if you think that I said that, I’m sorry that you mis-read my posts.
But yes, I think that at the end of the day dealing with this matter in the courts is stupid and a waste of money. No, I don’t think these kids should be a registered sex offender, and i think they should all (including the girl who sent the picture in the first palce) be punished in a way that could be considered “equal”, because they were all equally stupid.
While I spend much of my posts “defending” this girl, it’s because at the end of the day, there is NO reason that grown men should call a 14 year old girl a “slut” or a “cunt”. She, like the boy, is a 14 year old doing stupid things, end of story.
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If there’s an incident involving 3 girls and 1 boy all the same age, we already know the script. One by one the girls will be let off, and the boy will carry the can. The boy will have no friends anywhere other than his parents (who will probably be horrified as they get baptized by fire into the realties of the feminist/chivalrist world we live in), and the girls will have allies around the globe. If anyone dare try shame the girls by calling them ‘sluts’ or ‘cunts’, some total stranger will rush to their defense – even if it’s happening on one of those rare men’s rights sites where men could be expected to be fuming about this.
I call every one of those 3 girls manipulative, scheming bitches if only because that is probably as much censure as they’re likely to get anywhere, whereas some filthy judge somewhere will think it’s all right and proper to pick on a 14 year old boy and destroy his future. This has happened so many, many times before it is as predictable as the sun-rise.
Why don’t you female white-knighters just all fuck off back to where you came from?
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Let’s be honest about this. Why the hell is a 14 year old girl sending naked pictures of herself out in the first place:
1. Technology enable it, years ago this would have been impossible.
2. Lack of any social consensus on controlling sexuality makes anything and everything possible. The flip-side of “Free Roman Polanski” is middle school girls sexting.
3. Role models from Carrie Bradshaw of Sex and the City to Vanessa Hudgens do it, and get attention/approval as sex objects desired by guys.
4. Lack of strong fatherly figure providing a framework of discipline and responsibility-achievement. The girl wanted sexual approval because she got little fatherly approval of jobs well done around the house and with school work, athletics, and so on.
5. Anonymity means no real life-long shame, girl will be forgotten outside her hometown in a week, and she can move to another school where she’s unknown.
How to prevent this?
A. Have the girl’s biological father MARRIED to her mother.
B. Have father set rules, boundaries, limitations, ALONG WITH INCREASING RESPONSIBILITY and approval for jobs well done.
C. Lots of sports and after school activities to keep her busy, and provide concrete achievement and esteem.
D. Father-daughter talks on stupid/smart behavior with guys. “How to Date Guys.” Etc.
Lets forget the judicial aspect for a moment. When 14 year old girls are sexting, things are seriously broken in a society.
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The real crime here, and whats truly sickening, is the injustice being wrought upon these kids. It reminds me of some form of medieval witch hunt. BURN THE EVIL LITTLE WITCHES!!! I mean seriously, W.T.F?! Shame! Where are their protectors? Many are(obviously)… plainly out on a long lunch. It quite surreal to watch.
There is something terribly wrong with our society alright, no doubt about it. Any ADULT who condemns these kids, who stands silent as their lives and reputations are threatened or flushed away, is in my view, the real problem… THE REAL STORY.
In my opinion, any society that scape goats and wantonly feeds their children to the wolfs is not civilized. SHAME!!! For pity’s sake! Stop thinking and acting like barbarians. Wake up… WAKE UP!!!!!
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I agree Whiskey.
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Sarah:
So are you suggesting Cosmo is complicit in 14 year olds emailing nude pics and they’re victims to the media juggernaut?
Feminsm: Always the victim.
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Lets forget the judicial aspect for a moment. When 14 year old girls are sexting, things are seriously broken in a society.
Amen…the sluttier and more amoral females become is actually worn as a badge of honor by feminists…kinda like abortion cheerleading.
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Why would a girl send a naked picture of herself to a guy unless he asked her to and/or she trusted him? I’m telling you, it would never happen because, like you said, kids aren’t robots, and they understand that sending naked pictures to randoms will end badly.
Sarah, I hate to burst your bubble, but it does happen. There are teenage girls out there who see nothing wrong with being sexually active with several boys at once, having convinced them all that they are the “only” ones in her life.
There are girls who do send unsolicited photos of themselves.
There are girls who see nothing wrong with sending smutty text messages to men in their 30s in return for phone credit.
I’m sure it will come as no surprise that there are issues with absent fathers with these girls.
Teenagers are not known for incisive intellect.
I was one once, and I didn’t get any sense until my mid-late 20s.
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Why did the Germans start biffing poison gas around battle fields in WWI? Because no-one else was doing it. As soon as the British started doing the same, it wasn’t long before everyone agreed to stop.
Why did the Americans drop an atom bomb on Japan? Because Japan didn’t have one to send back. As soon as other countries got atom bombs, none has ever been used in warfare again.
If we men want a just peace, we have to wage an equal war first. That means pinning all blame on these girls, and absolving the boy of any guilt. It’s what feminists/chivalrists have been doing to us unanswered for as long as I can remember. There will be absolutely no change in the way we are dicked until then.
It doesn’t matter that you can find reasons to absolve these 3 young girls, or that you think the boy is partly responsible. The more substantial victims are the thousands of boys and men of the future who will be blamed, charged, jailed and put on sex offender registries on the least pretext. The only way to end this madness is to threaten women with the same madness in return, and then wait for the offer to negotiate.
So I say place all these girls in prison, publish their names and have their futures ruined by being placed on sex offender registries. There is nothing new about this incident, nor will it be the last if we simply allow the law to skin the boy and let the girls go home with nothing more than a telling-off (and yes, dollars to dough-nuts the 2 girls currently on charge will be let off in the near future, and the boy will not). It is not as if my having this view will change the world, or that holding a view contrary to accepted wisdom really matters all that much. Nor will it make much difference if you decide to accept it as well. But if more and more of us take it on, then we begin to bother those who prefer not to think at all, and that is worth something.
It’s the little battles like this that we lose every day when we don’t match fire with fire.
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pierced:
I was all set to agree with you but then I read your whole comment.
Yes, it’s true that if the past is any predictor of the present the girls are likely to get off easier than the boy. If someone wants to hold a protest should this go down in that area and I can make it, I’ll join. Heck, I’ll write to the state right now if that will do any good. I’ve done so in the past.
But you know what? Hating on 13 and 14 year old girls and boys for being stupid sexually DOES NO ONE ANY GOOD.
So maybe I’m not willing to throw a 14 year old or 13 year old girl under the bus for “sexting” any more than I am a boy the same age. Sue me.
No better yet, stay here on the Spearhead where you can take out your bile on 13 and 14 year olds due to crap done by chivalrous fools and feminazi’s out on the kids without them having to suffer it r/l and without you going to jail for blowing up a daycare center or something (after you evacuate all the BOYS of course).
I’ll gladly stand with that “collaberator” Glenn Sacks, rather than some MRA “radicial feminist” such as yourself.
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I consider that an achievement – steering the feeble to the moderates is what we reasoned radicals are all about.
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Pierce:
If you want to talk some asymetrical political warfare tactics or even the physical removal via force of certain criminals hiding under pretext of law in family courts for example, I’d be all for that.
If you want to talk ruining children and oldster’s lives for things they had nothing to do with, turning sexism back around yet again, rather than prosecuting a few hundred to a few thousand sexual war criminals I want nothing to do with such a movement.
And, I might add happily, neither do most men. Hey, get the ones doing the imprisoning and the life ruing. Make a judge fear for his/her life if they do anything against the Constitution or pepetuate an obvious (supported by facts) inustice. No problemo. Replace the rad fems with american taliban level MRA’s? No thanks.
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Pierce:
I’ll give you this: If the radfems and some of the chivalrous dolts in power don’t want to start suffering bigtime in the next two decades they BETTER come to an agreement with people like Glenn Sacks or they will indeed face you.
I wish I could say they will be reasonable and choose Mr Sacks. So far, though, they’ve shown remarkable stupidity and done everything to turn reasonable people off from their cause.
Problem is, my man, if radicals have a place in a revolution I don’t want them governing afterwards. Not that they shouldn’t get any rewards, but rewards should not be political power. NOW a very, very long time ago had reasonable goals. Those were accomplished, leaving you know who in power. If you push me- yes, men over women, if I have to make such a sophies choice. But I’d still fight to protect the innocent – and that includes my grandmother (whom most here would think is a good woman) and a stupid silly 13 or 14 year old girl. I won’t apologize for being human.
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I’m glad someone said this first who isn’t me.
I will fight fucking dirty if I have to.
Our enemies have no honour. We fight with any honour and we’ve already lost. We should undercut them.
No war was ever won by being reasonable – as sad as that may seem. No one ever won a battle by being more benevolent than their enemies. Or by being more merciful. Or more considerate.
No, the only way that feminism ever achieved so much, was by being utterly malevolent, merciless, inconsiderate, and unreasonable.
I wish there could be another way, but more and more, I believe that we have to actually outdo them at all these things if we stand a chance at making any gains.
Then again, a lot of the time I don’t really feel like this at all. It comes and goes.
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I have to wonder if it is men’s greater sense of honour that is actually the problem here.
We’re fighting extremely dishonest and dishonourable enemies, yet we feel inclined to hold ourselves to standards of honesty and honour. Why? So at least we can say to ourselves that we never compromised our principles, while we LOSE THE WAR?
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Snark:
I see what you are saying.
But consider this: World War 2, probably the most “just” and needed war in the last 100 or 200 years. And yet, for eastern europe, in the end, it didn’t matter which side won, because like all wars there were political compromises.
I don’t want to be Poland in 1946. And to me, if all we do is accomplish the subjugation of women and the “extermination” of white knights (which is being interpreted very broadly by the radicals here) what have we won? I suppose the radicals in charge will be happy. They’ll be able to show Those Bitches a “real” patriarchy. And as usual with humans the leaders will get corrupt, start having harems, men will still be conscripted to fight the new regimes wars, the constitution will by that time have been so discredited it will no longer be in force at all, and it will be “Welcome to the new boss same as the old boss”. Me, I’d fight for a third way, making strategic alliances with people on both sides who see these problems.
But I know I can’t stop history. While general economic collapse won’t totally kill feminism or bring radicals like you into power, it will set up conditions making some over throw of the current corpiratist regime likely, and if there’s been nothing done for men in the mean time, I’ll just hope that the ones in charge don’t decide to reopen the “work camps”.
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You all take ignorance to a scary, new level. It is clear that regardless of what I write in my posts, sense will not prevail here in a community of insecure guys who put down women at every opportunity. I’m sorry that you all hate that women are allowed to work and talk and aren’t at home to clean and make you sandwiches. Welcome to the 21st century, get over it.
I will go back to where I come from, not because you drove me out, but because the comments here are so mind-numbingly stupid and I’m just tired of you GROWN MEN calling a 14 year old girl a “cunt”. I will continue to be part of a movement that makes sense and is, in fact, necessary because of men like you all (except Clarence, he’s alright) who want women to shut up and make babies.
When you figure out that your mentality about women is totally archaic, then maybe you’ll get laid and quit being so bitter.
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Hey now, I don’t advocate the subjugation, much less extermination, of anyone.
Let’s not go down the feminist route, of equating ‘opposition to exploitation of men’ with ‘wants to oppress teh wimmin’.
Besides which … I don’t seek power.
WHICH IS EXACTLY THE REASON I SHOULD HAVE ALL OF IT!
Ha!
No, seriously though, I don’t seek power.
Only JUSTICE!
And I don’t think I’ve ever been called a radical before. If that’s what it means to think tactically, then I suppose I am!
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Sarah:
Sandwiches, etc.
(Ok, fedrz is better at doing this than I am.)
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Speaking of putting people down at every opportunity, nice shaming tactics, dunce.
Scary new level? Ohhh, she’s so scawwwwed, guys. Let’s not be so mean to the widdle woman. She can’t handle herself at this level, she gets so intimidated by men when we talk in those big loud voices.
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We have to thank the worthless cunts with their dipshit opinions and feminist shaming language.
Without them constantly reminding me how truly worthless women are, I might fall back into my old patterns.
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Why does it have to be peer pressure or nothing? Somewhere some girl was the first to take a boob shot with a web cam, or a nude pic with a cell phone and send it. Who made her do it? Girls tend to follow like lemmings….rather than ‘peer pressure’ (which if course does exist) a lot of this is just doing things because they see other girls doing things and copying it because they think it’s cool. You seem SO determined to say it’s peer pressure and nothing but that makes these girls do things. Sometimes it’s just attention whoring.
And if you said ‘I did it because all my friends were doing it’ what would your father have said? ‘That’s okay then honey, you’re a victim of peer pressure’.
The girl perhaps can’t help what is quoted in the article but in this case it’s not what the reporter is writing but what her mother told the reporters….that her daughter did it because she has low self esteem.
I said that either they’re all guilty or none are, I said that it’s not fair that only she is left off the hook. If distributing porn is the charge, then she was the original distributor. The law says sexting is a crime. She sexted. Only the forwarders are up for punishment. Get it?
As I didn’t feel shame, it’s a fail. Sorry, someone has to feel shamed for it to be a shaming, sweets. Didn’t work.
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There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile.
He found a crooked sixpence against a crooked stile.
He bought a crooked cat, which caught a crooked mouse,
And they all lived together in a little crooked house.
You want change… then be the difference.
The difference is all that counts… and you cant claim it till its yours.
Anything less… is simply more of the same.
No matter how you justify it.
If any of you potential child killers have a Plan B… I would really like to hear it.
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They should prosecute her to the full extent of the law.
Why? Here’s why:
I know of no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.
- Ulysses S. Grant
As long as only boys are actually held accountable for this sort of thung, society won’t care, because boys are disposable. Women can always get another boyfriend or husband. Men don’t mind seeing their sexual competitors thrown in prison to rot.
We need to start persecuting girls before anyone will give a rat’s @$$ about reforming these laws.
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Time to pull out the Fembot Bingo Card on Sarah the Snot-mouth Snowman:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15#p45
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This is the same movement that has no problem with young boys’ lives being ruined for having anything to do with sex, and young girls going home scot-free for doing the very same. Google ‘Belfort Bax’ and his book published in 1913. He states cases where girls of legal age seduce minor boys, and the boys alone are singled out for criminal prosecution. That’s 100 years at least of this disgusting travesty of justice going on, and you’re here complaining about someone calling the girl a ‘cunt’ – and we don’t even know her name. Someone else is calling me Taliban for suggesting that we do to women what has been done to us for over a century.
Although I proudly call myself radical, suggesting that we return a generations-old and constantly repeating injustice in order to end it forever is not extreme.
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Now you understand the method to the meanness. The vast majority of people always want to be “moderates” and will cluster at or near the middle of the road. But, the middle is always defined by the radicals. If we were to end up halfway between Glenn Sacks and Andrea Dworkin, things would still be pretty bad for men.
Yes, if the radfems and radsocons don’t wake up and make peace with the likes of Glenn, they are going to face a far more extreme and radicalized group of men eventually. Every year that passes with incidents like this one where boys get clobbered while all the females get off free on their pussy pass creates more men who view both females and the existing social order with hostility, distrust, and contempt. The more resistance men encounter when they are trying to make people aware of the issues, the more radical they end up being in order to get their points across.
Those men who do still care about women would be well advised to consider whether a situation is being allowed to develop which will represent a real danger and disadvantage to them. When you have men ready to throw 13 y/o girls under the bus, I think you are headed toward just such a situation.
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Where? You have drummed on this time and time again on this thread. I saw ‘slut’ but didn’t see ‘c*nt’ so it can’t be every man on this thread, where the hell was it? One person? 10? If it’s one or two, how does it then become a standard to judge every man on the site by? Two men call her a ‘c*nt’ (for example) and suddenly everyone here and their comments are ‘mind-numbingly stupid’ ,’insecure’ ‘ignorant”archaic’ ‘bitter’ and ‘can’t get laid’..right from the feminist playbook. I’ve posted on feminist sites and it’s so predictable. The comments on intelligence come first, then when the arguments continue, the ‘small penis’ ‘gay’ ‘can’t get laid’ and ‘bitter’ comments come forth. Predictably. Here’s a link for you–
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/
Women like you just can’t stay on a topic and debate it rationally. You just have to start the name-calling. No one here called you any names, but you started didn’t you? Once you start beating the bitter, can’t get laid, ignorant etc drum you’ve lost the debate.
Hey if I were in high school and knew someone sending nude pics I’d think ‘What a slut’ , and yes, I think so now. If my niece did it , yes, I’d think she was acting like a slut. Age is a factor? Her classmates can think she’s a slut but adults can’t? I don’t follow your logic…housewives who send them to men other than their husbands aren’t acting like sluts?
Calling condemnation of bad behavior ‘hating on’ is a tactic to stop debate.
No one likes to be accused of being a hater. “You’re all hating on a 14-year -old!” No, we’re calling bad behavior of a 14-year-old what it is, and saying that she is equally as responsible as the three who were arrested. Thatis what we’re saying.
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And if you said ‘I did it because all my friends were doing it’ what would your father have said?
My father would have said, “If they all jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?” I must have heard that 8 gazillion times, growing up.
Calling condemnation of bad behavior ‘hating on’ is a tactic to stop debate.
Hate is characterized by indifference. Condemnation assumes that we think a person could improve themselves and repent for their bad behavior, or that we expected them to behave better and were disappointed.
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Black&German:
It was “hating on” behaviour, not condemnation. The comments were of the type that she IS a slut, rather than she WAS acting sluttish. One act at fourteen defines a whole life? I think not in this case, and I’d think not even if I agreed with the ludicrous suggestion that she did something abnormal or wrong.
And crella?
She’s not married to anyone, she’s not cheating on anyone, and she sent that pic to her then boyfriend. Reading is fundamental.
Feel free to disagree all you want. I don’t think she did a single thing wrong except she was too trusting of her boyfriend. Bet she’s not so trusting around men or women anymore after this. Congrats, one more cynic for the world and at 14.
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Oh I was reading. It was said earlier that ‘grown men shouldn’ t be calling a 14-year-old a slut’ and so I asked isn’t unacceptable behavior unacceptable at any age? Reading is fundamental…..if you think it’s wrong that a grown woman does it and can say so (and most people would say that the example of a woman sending a sext to someone other than her husband is in the wrong), why can’t one say so about a 14-year-old? She’s wrong, she was stupid, and it gives a bad impression about her morals….to say anything else is excusing her behavior. That’s hardly “hating” her. We have a son, if he pulled this crap when he was in junior high, I’d have been very upset and angry. It isn’t good behavior for a teen . If you and Sarah have children and have no qualms about them sending nude pictures of themselves to friends, that’s your prerogative, but I don’t agree with it. You raise your kids as you see fit, I’m done raising mine, he has graduated and is out earning a living.
Here are some statistics I found online, a survey of teens reasons for texting-
15 Percent of teenagers who have sent or posted nude or seminude images of themselves say they have done so to someone they only knew online.
48 Percent of teenagers say they have received such messages
71 Percent of teen girls and 67% of teen guys who have sent or posted sexually suggestive content say they have sent or posted this content to a boyfriend or girlfriend.
21 Percent of teenage girls and 39% of teen boys say they have sent such content to someone they wanted to date or hook up with.
44 Percent of both teen girls and teen boys say it is common for sexually suggestive text messages to get shared with people other than the intended recipient.
36 Percent of teen girls and 39 % of teen boys say it is common for nude or semi-nude photos to get shared with people other than the intended recipient.
51 Percent of teen girls say pressure from a guy is a reason girls send sexy messages or images; only 18 % of teen boys cited pressure from female counterparts as a reason.
66 Percent of teen girls and 60% of teen boys say they did so to be “fun or flirtatious”; their most common reason for sending sexy content.
52 Percent of teenage girls used sexting as a “sexy present” for their boyfriend.
44 Percent of both teen girls and teen boys say they sent sexually suggestive messages or images in response to such content they received.
40 Percent of teenage girls said they sent sexually suggestive messages or images as “a joke.”
34 Percent of teen girls say they sent or posted sexually suggestive content to “feel sexy.”
12 Percent of teen girls felt “pressured” to send sexually suggestive messages or images.
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Crella, this is just shaming to say that grown men shouldn’t criticize girls. Would they have a problem if I called a 14yo boy a vandal or thug for spraying graffiti on people’s property and bullying other kids? Of course not.
I will continue to call teenage girls who act slutty sluts, tramps and hussies because I think that’s the only way they’ll learn not to behave that way. If I step up like a big goon and threaten anyone who impugns their honor, no matter how much of a little tramp they’ve been, they’ll only keep behaving like a little slut and expect guys to step in and smash anyone who offends them. This is a disgusting, unjust outcome.
People forget that sexual misconduct by girls is one of the most disruptive forms of behavior out there. Ever read The Crucible? Damn right I’ll call them sluts if they’re causing that kind of trouble!
That way, after all, they get off a lot easier than the guy who goes to prison or the boy who gets put on the sex offender registry for life.
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Welmer:
I agree with your right to call people whatever you want. You’ve never seen me call for censorship.
I can’t speak for Sarah, but I will say my motivation is simply to hold everyone accountable for what they did, and if possible, save this boy from the sex offender registry.
My objection to the language used was that:
Many commenters didn’t distinguish between normal stupid teenage behaviour and a lifetime of acts. Calling behaviour slutty is one thing, calling somone a slut *implying for life* at 14 for a single act with her boyfriend is quite a different matter.
I’ve never been a fan of the doublestandard against boys and I’ve never been a fan of the ridiculousness of applying SH and child porn laws to normal *if ill advised or imorral, whatever floats your boat* teen behaviour.
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@Clarence
It is also my motive to save kids from the sex offender registry. Given current laws, slut-shaming is probably the most effective way to do that now.
As for whether the girl should be branded for life, that isn’t my intention at all. If I didn’t believe in atonement and redemption I expect I would have put a bullet in my head years ago.
In fact, I think a heavy dose of shame would be more likely to reform her and prevent future disasters in her life than the current regime’s response, which is to tell her she’s a victim and lock up and destroy the lives of the kids she baited with her skanky picture.
If she gets married with the attitude that she’s always a victim, imagine what she might do to her husband and children. She’ll have absolutely no sense of responsibility, and will feel entitled to wreck others’ lives while expecting the law to come save her. This is the typical American woman’s attitude today.
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As a European, I really don’t understand how Americans can still mix up nudity and pornography? You are even prosecuting people and putting them on some lists because of nudity. In Europe, there is children’s nudity in our media and in our real life: you can see it in movies, documentaries, on beaches, in saunas etc. We are not prosecuting it and our society and children are still fine and safe.
Paranoia is only hurting children…
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The indignant ladies really made me laugh.
A spade is a spade. A slut is a slut. We men call it like it is without resorting to politically correct euphemisms or considerations for ‘the fairer sex’.
Age is no matter. Once a teenage girl has got her first period, grown her first strands of pubic hair, has swelling breasts and is sexually conscious, she is fair game for the ‘slut’ label, if and only if her behavior is consistent with that label.
On the other side of the age spectrum you have lots of sluts too. Cougars and horny grandmas. Isn’t female empowerment and sexual liberation fantastic?
And no, there is no equivalent label for a male ‘man whore’. He has game, that’s all. Do not try to understand it – it’s a biological thing. It will make sense once you’ve discarded your Women’s Studies indoctrination. This requires logic, and logic is not a strong point of most womenfolk.
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The aim of the radical is not to seize power – it is to create the conditions that force regime change, either internally by reform or externally by revolt. As you correctly observe, power could fall in the hands of anyone, but radicals hope to infect the culture with their memes so that whoever does hold the reins is likely to be more sympathetic than whoever it is they replace.
Earlier you stated you didn’t want to end up like Poland in 1946. Too late. As a man in the West, you are Poland in 1946.
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MGTOW,
LOL this really made me laugh.
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To any and all:
You can directly lean heavy on the kids and their behaviour as means to an end, sure you can. Just like it used to be done, except… of course, things aren’t like they used to be. I ask you to consider, as part of a strategy, this method, how ideal, how effective, at this point, would that approach be? After all, for every possible action, there is a reaction. And, are you sure you’ve thought them all though?
Our children are already victims, that right, i said it… VICTIMS. Victims of feminist ideology and action. Victims of government/state action and betrayal. And victims of our own previous inactions, and thus, as such… betrayal also.
Our children’s disregardful, abhorrent behaviour is a symptom of our ills, not the cause. A reflection, of our own failings and inadequates. As parents, guardians, teachers, citizens and effective role models. We collectively are to blame… we collectively are the problem.
Stop projecting and misappropriating blame onto our children, casting them as sluts, rapists… devils. Just stop it! It will take generations to fix the damage that greedy, selfish, childish Men and Women have done. You want this fixed? Hit hard then the cause, lean heavy on that! Take a good hard look in the mirror, open your hearts and minds, and take the fight where it matters most.
We lead, our children follow…
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What in the world has led people to hate children so much?
Feminism.
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European: that’s the way it was in the USA and UK too before the feminazis gained so much influence. Be careful because unless we stop them (we will) it will infest your country too.
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I see the term child pornography being tossed around liberally. Let’s define that term shall we?
pornography:
1857, “description of prostitutes,” from Fr. pornographie, from Gk. pornographos “(one) writing of prostitutes”
So…was anyone writing about child harlots?
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INTP: even the Law does not define “child pornography” as just naked pictures. It must include some sexual acts.So what we have is prosecutors going after people who have committed no crime. Another insane thing is that in most places the age of consent is 16 so that if she was having sex with a 100yo man it would be legal but if a girl a day shy of 18 were to send that same guy a naked picture of herself it would be “child porn” Absolutely insane. It has become so insane that I’ve even heard females refer to an older man with an adult gf over 18 as a “paedophile” Paedophiles are people who are sexually attracted to children(individuals under the age of puberty) and they are very rare like 1 in a million. Personally, I’ve never even known of 1 case(outside of what I read in the media) or of 1 rape or DV case. Now, if something is common wouldn’t a person have heard of someone in the area where they live being involved in any of this? All this is pure feminist inspired hysteria. It reminds me when all that nonsense about anorexia was in vogue. Never even seen 1 case of that either outside of cancer patients or people suffering from some wasting disease. Now, if you said obesity that would be believable because all you would have to do is walk down any street and you’d see all the fat sloppy females.
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The boy is an idiot for sending the pics to the 2 other girl but there’s no way the original girl should’nt be punished.
People are charged with distributing child porn …so why is’nt she being charged with it ?
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zel January 30, 2010 at 21:24
inadequacies*
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“Age is no matter. Once a teenage girl has got her first period, grown her first strands of pubic hair, has swelling breasts and is sexually conscious, she is fair game for the ’slut’ label, if and only if her behavior is consistent with that label.”
What as disgusting thing to say.
I have a niece whose parents were/are quite concerned because at nine she had breasts and her menstrual period. Would you consider her a child?
There is no “if her behavior is” , she’s a child.
As a post-note what does sexually conscious mean? Infants masturbate, are they fair game in your world?
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zel.
That was a great post and had wisdom behind it.
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I asked my wife when she first grew pubic hair, and had her first period.
Grade six to seven .
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It is insane, I’ve seen feminists commenting along the same lines, referring to what used to be called ‘May-December romance’.
Kave, reread that post again. “fair game for the label ‘slut’ if and only if her behavior is consistent with that label” Your niece is a rare case, and you know it. Because your niece seems to be going through puberty at age nine, that does not reflect on the vast majority who go through such changes at 13 or so. I don’t think you can refute an entire argument on the basis of an anomaly.
That said, I hope she’s okay. It really isn’t the norm.
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A thirteen year old going through puberty may be more natural, but they are still without a doubt children.
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Crella, my mum went through puberty at 9-10, and I did at 12. It’s not all that unusual.
A friend of mine has a nearly 9yo daughter who is built like an 11-yo. Since my friend and her husband are both rather tall, we’re all expecting an early puberty there.
Just one of those things.
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With regard some young girls early puberty, it would be worth considering, and factoring in the estrogen-like chemical used in plastics as a possible cause.
“Few scientists think that exposure to this harmful chemical at an early stage in life upsets hormones and alters genes. Thereby, it programmes the fetus or a child to get breast or prostate cancer, premature female puberty, attention deficit disorders and other reproductive or neurological disorders.”
http://www.india-server.com/news/chemical-in-plastic-harmful-for-human-311.html
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Agreed, Zel. There might be more of an incidence of early puberty in girls, but it’s been known of as something that can happen for years.
Regarding the oestrogenous properties of modern plastics, I’m more concerned about how it impacts boys rather than girls.
There was a documentary years ago – like 15-20 – that addressed just this matter, and discussed things like the physical feminisation of men. Lower testosterone levels, lower sperm counts, more man boobs.
In areas where the chemical run off from the factories polluted the waterways, there was a preponderance of female fish, for example, and in some cases there were so many females, that some spontaneously changed sex.
Unfortunately, it was a loooong time ago, and I can’t recall the name of it.
Another, more recent doco, dealt with the effects of chemical plants and what impact their output/pollution had on children.
The presenter went to Mexico, and visited two towns – one control, and the other in the vicinity of a plant.
The control town was nowhere near anything like a factory, and the children had relatively normal behaviour (playing, socialising, communicating), and normal development patterns.
In the subject town, the children were listless, uncommunicative, and didn’t socialise well. Developmentally, they were worryingly ahead of the curve, with 8-9 being the average rather than just an occasional thing.
This is another one I can’t recall the name of, which is a shame, as it’s one I want to add to my doco collection.
I do have a vague recollection that the town with the factory was called something like “Yucci”, since I recall thinking it was a silly name (yucky), until I realised it was in Mexico.
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Kave: Medically you are an adult when you have reached puberty whatever that age may be.A child is defined an individual between the age of 3 and puberty.
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Kave, stop will all that nonsense about infants masturbating. That all outdated and debunked nonsense started by that sex obsessed and repressed quack, Sigmund Fraud. Just because kids rub their bodies or boy’s penises swell as the result of healthy blood flow does not mean it is caused by some sort of sexual urge or desire. That usually doesn’t come about until puberty.
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I’m not so sure about that. I distinctly remember having occasional sexual fantasies and dreams even while still in preschool. However, they did intensify by an order of magnitude at puberty, when I’d lie in bed thinking of girls for hours before I could sleep. Man am I glad that’s over.
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Welmer: In pre school? Well then you must be the rare exception. It also depends upon your age. If you’re under 40 you had probably seen a lot of sex as a kid in films, TV and media so of course you may dream or daydream about what you had seen the same way a boy from a previous era might dream about being a cowboy from films he had seen. In fact, thinking about these sexual things you had seen at such a young age may indicate not sexual desire but confusion about what you had seen. Most young boys if you showed them some porno film would either laugh or think it was disgusting.
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I remember having sexual thoughts – well dreams – when I was a young boy, at about 5 or 6 years old. They involved situations with young girls I played with in the neighbourhood. But, they were not physically sexual so much as they were about situations – I didn’t understand sex back then, not until I was entering puberty. But I distinctly remember the dreams… lol, in fact, I remember one turned into a nightmare and I wound up all tangled up in my half pulled off undershirt, sweating like crazy, when my brother finally woke me up.
I think that is called foreshadowing!
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I disagree. Feminism has nothing to do with it. Parents don’t know how to raise their kids anymore, and so they turn out rotten.
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I believe the 40% single mother-headed households might have something to do with that.
And who’s responsible for the single mothers? Why the people who told them that they “need a man like a fish needs a bicycle”,i.e. feminists.
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Blaming just feminism for single motherhood sounds like a scapegoat to me. There’s more to a story of how a woman becomes a single mother than feminism. I’m not going to say that simply being raised by a single-mother automatically makes kids rotten. Poor parenting skills, disfunctional homes, abuse, toxic family relationships are some things that help make kids rotten.
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I was raised in a dysfunctional fatherless home. My mother couldn’t cope with me, and I was made a ward of the state at age 10. I was placed is a psychiatric ward for evaluation(experimentation)and fed numerous drugs, and subject to various psychological, neurological and physical tests. I clearly remember being drugged half out of my mind and made to ride a exercycle, whilst wired to an electroencephalogram . Their were many such tests.
I spent 13 months in this place. The psychiatrist told my mother that, he couldn’t effectively psychoanalyze me, as I was far too busy psychoanalyzing him. When done with me, I was released with a certification of sanity. I was thereafter bounced between many state institutions. I was severely beaten at age 14 by a state carer, and finally released from state ownership soon after, along with a school exemption.
The state never placed any emphasis my schooling/education. You try and catch up, but… well, you know how it goes. As for the rest of my life, well, it goes without saying… text book stuff really.
I could tell tell you some stories, I have many… stories to tell. Like the one about a boy…
Children are our future, and what goes around comes around… I really wish people would treat them with more care and respect.
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Our children’s disregardful, abhorrent behaviour is a symptom of our ills, not the cause. A reflection, of our own failings and inadequates. As parents, guardians, teachers, citizens and effective role models. We collectively are to blame… we collectively are the problem.
Well put, and I agree. This subject reminds me of the prostitots. You know, the preschoolers wearing makeup and high heels? I see them sometimes.
We’re robbing them of any sort of decent childhood and turning them into sex-crazed psychos.
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Thanks B&G.
I believe we are… BIG TIME. And, many of us, go on to blame them for said behavior’s and it’s inevitable consequence’s. I really think the problem is quite fundamental really. If we don’t respect each other as Adults, we then, consequently by default, are unable to respect our Children. Simply put, its a flow on effect.
Most men and women are, I believe, capable of seeing reason… but’ thats something I can’t credit feminists with. The average Man and Woman will need to unite to achieve this, by denouncing feminism for starters. Maybe, for the sake of our children, we can to come together.
I hope so, or we are way past… lost.
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zel February 1, 2010 at 13:16
we can come together*
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Zel,
So true.
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