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I am no misogynist; I am merely an observer with a knack for characterization. One thing I have noticed about women is that their minds are chaotic places, rife with insecurities, second-guessing, emotionalism, sensationalism, caprice, naivete, worries, self-contradiction, and an unhealthy preoccupation with immediate concerns.
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And for God’s sake, get laid.
It seemed like fodder for conversation. One interesting angle was the idea of using game and sex to “convert†a woman to your particular ideology. We could just as easily be talking about Patty Hearst, or an Obama-worshipping college girl, or a member of the Manson family, or some other doe-eyed damsel under the spell of a smooth-talking Svengali.
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I think that hyperlinking this site to sites run by racists of any hue is not a good idea.
The linked article strikes me as a typical ploy by extremists. They write something that is 90% “true” to their target audience and then add 10% propaganda to it. It’s a standard recruiting tactic.
Guys tend to be most interested in sex at the time of their life when they are most amenable to picking an extremist cause, so an article on “game” is a good way for them to get malleable kids’ eyeballs focused on screens with their creed on it.
This was a mis-step, guys.
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We’ll see what Welmer thinks. I thought, “I dunno…”
But then, I am so tired of people being so afraid to talk about anything or falling all over themselves to apologize for even the slightest acknowledgment of anything un-PC.
I mean, it’s not like the PC left doesn’t use the same cultish recruiting tactics. Somewhere, tomorrow morning, some jerk like Jonathan Katz or Michael Kimmel will be paid to indoctrinate a bunch of impressionable teens to hate themselves and to hate men and worship women. A bunch of college students will be told they are racists for being born white. We fund all of that with our tax dollars.
My guess is that each groups socio-economic status dictates “Game.”
Game appropriate to the watering holes of Manhattan, among the spoiled yuppie set, would not work well in say, tough towns of coastal Alaska, which in turn would be different from say, Southern College towns like Baton Rouge or Oxford MS. If you get that variation among the White population, you’ll get greater variation of “Game” details and male positioning among races. I’m sure the principles of attraction and status positioning are the same, but details can vary.
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See, I disagree, I truly believe everyone is a little bit racist, as the old song goes. Just because somebody finds it offensive, doesn’t mean it should be censored, or even ignored. Racism is a point of view, and many find it small minded and ignorant, but I think that all views should be allowed and tolerated where the only decrying opinion against it is that its offensive.
I’m not saying that racism is good; I am saying that The Spearhead should link to any and all sites that have revelant material. The way that this was gone about was absolutly right; I have a choice to click that link and I have a warning about the inside content. Let me make that choice; give it to me.
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Skinheads are notoriously successful with women. I find the author of the linked piece’s assertion that “Most white nationalists are extremely cerebral people, and many more still are well-kempt [sic], handsome, masculine fellows…” quite laughable, but there’s no doubt that they get laid a lot.
Not sure about NOI or Latin gangsters, but I suspect you’d find a similar trend at work there.
Personally, I think the idea that skinheads have Game fits in pretty well with the theory that women have a real thing for bad boy thugs. They do, actually, and that is a big part of why boys run with gangs — it gets them laid.
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I noticed something tell about this article.
First the writer comes out and insults blacks and Jews. Then he writes: “I am no misogynist; I am merely an observer with a knack for characterization.”
So in other words, he has no need to apologize about racism and bigotry, yet the influence of feminism has him so cowed that he needs to apologize in advance to the women who read the site. Think about that.
I get the reason why Donovan linked to this site — to show that game has even made its mark in the margins of society. But I don’t particularly see this as anything that should warrant merit here. The men’s movement in all its forms lacks mainstream credibility. This won’t help.
Take it away, Obsidian.
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So….
A white racist found out that the majority of hot chicks (of all hues) like the dregs of society (of all hues).
Holy shit. Someone call the commissioner.
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@Nemo
not a good idea because they’re extremists, huh? That is one weak argument. Is there anything in the article that makes you think the guy is hiding his intentions? What could it be, he’s openly talking about using game to intoctrinate women into white nationalism. If game really is as powerful as gamers claim, many groups seeking influence will attempt to harness its power to further their causes. It seems to me it’d be a good idea to be aware of this when it happens.
@Jack
I am also sick to death of people being afraid to even discuss a topic just because it’s socially unacceptable to do so. I think one of the things that men should absolutely be able to do is discuss whatever ideas or beliefs they want to. The obvious uneasiness that so many display over simple discussion of a relevant topic is pretty pathetic.
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I think it is good to address issues like this. I wish more white people would stare this shit down, and get a little intellectual about it. It is because of “White Supramacists” that all whites are cowed in the friggin’ corner, so scared are they of being called a white supremacist. It is not much different than the way men have been cowed into the corner by the shrieks of “misogynist,” and that is largely what got men into this horrible mess in the first place.
As a white guy, I’m not gonna stand here and throw out qualifiers that I’m not a racist by listing this friend of race X or that friend of blah blah. Fuck that. I know there is a kaleidascope of colors here at the Spearhead. There was at my blog too. Anyone who has been in the MRM for a while knows the score, and knows what kind of a person I am. I feel no need to apologize, because I have nothing to apologize for. I don’t apologize about my views about the politicization of homosexuals either. Everyone who matters, knows the score.
But, at the same time, there is no other other race on earth that is actively cheering on their own demise the way that whites are. We loathe ourselves. What the hell?
Maybe some of us white guys need to stare this shit in face a little. Just like men needed/need to stare “misogyny” in the face a little, to decide what is and what is not acceptable.
I want to say, though, there is no other culture currently on earth that believes multiculturalism is a virtue – except for self-hating white people.
White culture actually does believe they are better off being undermined. It’s just like little kitchen bitch men believing they owe women an eternal apology. Wtf? It is the most dominant, most successful culture that the world has ever seen. We might have made some mistakes along the way, but which culture hasn’t? But also, we must have done a few friggin’ things right too! Or we wouldn’t be here!
So, maybe more white people should stop being so afraid. Have a direct look at what these guys are saying. It is true, they are presenting about 80% truth, and about 20% ridiculous nonsense that ought to make us very angry with them. But, also, in the process, we should not forget that the 80% truth, is still truth – and we are being forced to not stick up for that 80% truth, because we are just so scared shitless of being called a racist.
Btw. The Asians, Africans, South Americans, Antarcticans, yaddah yaddah, are not screeching on and on about the “strength” of multiculturalism. Trust me, if the Japanese thought that injecting 20,000,000 white people into their culture would strengthen them, they would do it. It is only white people that think we are such scum that everyone else can improve us. We white folk sure as hell wouldn’t dare insinuate that people of other races could do better by becoming more like us, would we?
If you want to see the benefits of multiculturalism, go have a look at the Former Yugoslavia, or look at the Middle East, or look at tribal warfare in Africa… that is Multiculturalism at its finest, genocides and all!
Maybe it’s time we white people stare white supremacism in the face, the same way that men ought to stare misogyny in the face, and decide what is real and what is not.
Feminism and Multiculturalism are dance partners, and they were taught by the same instructor.
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@jon:
The Spearhead is about men, not “white power”, whatever the heck that means.
I think that the writer was astute enough to realize that he could “press the buttons” of men and get more traffic to his site by co-opting popular topics of discussion. Well, it worked, to at least some extent. We generated traffic to his site today, did we not?
I can respect someone’s right to free speech and recognize that they are engaging in cheap talk at the same time. That’s what the writer of the article was doing.
Every new post about “racism” here is one more waste of time and energy. We’ve got enough problems with women messing with us. Why dissipate our energy talking about crap that has nothing to do with opposing feminism or revitalizing manhood?
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Every new post about “racism†here is one more waste of time and energy. We’ve got enough problems with women messing with us. Why dissipate our energy talking about crap that has nothing to do with opposing feminism or revitalizing manhood?
Because it is all related.
What are you scared of?
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Nemo:”I think that hyperlinking this site to sites run by racists of any hue is not a good idea.”
Nemo – do you hate free speech and the free exchange of ideas or something?
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Welmer:”Personally, I think the idea that skinheads have Game fits in pretty well with the theory that women have a real thing for bad boy thugs.”
Not all (or even a majority of) White Nationalists are skinheads, Neo-Nazis, or violent ultraracist thug-types — skinheads, Neo-Nazis, and violent-types are just a small (and very marginalized) subset of the overall White Nationalist movement.
Websites such as The Occidental Quarterly, American Renaissance, VDARE, and many others are part of a more sophisticated pro-White movement that is emerging in the USA.
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fedrz – “White supremacism” is not the same thing as White Nationalism…they are two different animals. Some White Nationalists are “White supremacists,” but many are not.
On another pro-White website earlier today there was a post about ‘game’ called “Game Over: Revenge of the Patriarchs” – check it out if you want: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/01/24/game-over-revenge-of-the-patriarchs/
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@Nemo
No it’s not. Even though I am most likely to find among the MRA the kinds of men that I would be proud to have as friends, I do not regard myself as an MRA. For me, the Spearhead is about tackling the cultural issues of our time, and in that context, men’s rights is but a component within that. Racism – and gender roles – is about belief, how beliefs are formed, and that leads inexorably to the topic of culture. Is there a reason why you believe that the Spearhead should be confined to the topic of men/men’s rights, and on what authority would you assert that it should be so?
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Naturally for the sake of balance and representation of all i expect you will be posting a link covering Black game, jewish game, Latino game and ofcourse so you (Jack Donovan) wont feel left out ‘Faggot Game’.
We covered game in looking glass, there is no need to discuss or link specifically white game.
I’m done here.
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I’d be happy to do so. Send ‘er on over.
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I see White Fear, not White Supremacism.
For the short hand version, if Feminism had not split apart the sexes in the way it had, our birth rates would not have fallen from a healthy 3.9/couple in the 1970′s, to a mere 1.6/couple today, while at the same time skyrocketing our debt.
No culture has ever reversed a population decline that has dropped below 1.9 or 1.8/couple. By the time it drops below 1.3/couple, it is impossible to reverse destruction. There is a “generation gap.” You can’t just order up ready made 25 year old workers.
10,000,000 people can pay off a debt of $1 Billion a lot easier than 5,000,000 people can.
The only solution then, is to either fully embrace Communism as our tax rates soar through the roof, and we abandon Capitalism, or we embrace rampant immigration, to fill up the West with workers to keep paying the bills. There are no white Christian cultures left anymore with positive birthrates. Whites are dead ducks.
Of course, if we encourage these immigrants to maintain their culture rather than adapt to our own, soon we will become them rather than they becoming us. Throw out the American “melting pot” and replace it with the “Cultural Mosaic” and you will cause racial/ethnic strife like the dickens. Of course, disharmony increases the need for bigger, more powerful government! Plus, we destroy our cultural identity! Something necessary to have a cohesive culture!
If you wanted to undermine Western Civilization without war, wouldn’t this be one helluva a way to do it?
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The Caliph -
Homos don’t need game. True fact. (At least, unless they’re really, really un-f-able) Men are easy.
I wouldn’t have a problem with any of our readers talking about “Latino Game” or “Black Game.” Whatever. I think that all fits within the spirit of the site.
fedrz -
Everything you said.
“I am no misogynist; I am merely an observer with a knack for characterization.”
Hmm — he could also say, and probably thinks, “I am no racist or antisemite; I am merely an observer with a knack for characterization.”
I really hate giving such a person any traffic, but to say such issues shouldn’t be talked about… I don’t know.
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‘Faggot game’ actually should work-if you’re a reliably masculine-looking one, find some skinny, effeminate twee dude to ‘go out’ with for the ultimate DHV unaware wingman: Even the guys want you!
Also works with nerds, short people with low self-esteem, people well below your intellectual level, and anyone fatter(though not taller!) than you. If you’re not bringing the women, at least try to look like the best out of the men. Encourage them to open up about their relationship troubles, loudly if possible.
(I haven’t actually done this deliberately, I’ve just reviewed the results from whatever friends I went out with for the past couple of years.)
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This magazine is an expression of our growing voice, and combines the talents of some of the Anglosphere’s best bloggers on men’s issues.
Men’s issues are the basic issues of society.
We are the both the bottom (in preference) and the top (in ability).
So it is that Men’s Rights are the basic rights of society.
Men need rights far more than women or children, because women and children are preferred over us.
We are the scum of society, but also the fuel of society.
It is the scumbag accused criminal, about to be lynched by the mob, that needs rights. The starlet that everyone loves doesn’t need rights nearly as much as the guy cornered by a mob, looking at a noose hanging over a branch.
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Hey Fedrz,
I just came back from your site.
You need to write a book (you, and harry)
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And Fifth-Horseman etc.
Tons of material.
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Again, I agree with fedrz. 100%
excellent and provocative post. inevitably, this site’s theme of gender realism under the umbrella of ‘human biodiversity’ would overlap with race realism.
the author of the linked post opens with the first thought that pops into my head: white nationalists don’t get laid. it’s not a great leap of faith to assume that so many ‘recruits’ feel disenfranchised by multiculturalism, whether that be radical feminism marginalizing beta providers, affirmative action marginalizing their skill set, or reductionist liberalism marginalizing their sexual value versus a more, er, “aggressive” race.
as a young white single male, i choose to resist the temptations of self-identifying white nationalism for several reasons. for one, the extremist attitude suggests, even implies a disenfranchisement that is the province of losers. winners don’t complain about the system; why would they? it is almost impossible to internalize a positive attitude with such a victim mindset. parallels abound with feminism, that realm of the ugly women who wish they were pretty, the slutty women who wish they were LTR-compatible, and the mediocre women who wish they were exceptional.
mencius moldbug has articulated and expanded on this position well here: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist.html
some commenters here believe that game undermines feminism, even if in the francisco d’anconia model of proactively collapsing a failed social climate. MGTOW’s find game useless and tradcons find it immoral. regardless of your inclination, race is absolutely a relevant variable.
i’ve recently concluded that i got into hip hop music during my formative early teen years because i wanted to identify with the high-test displays of dominance. this obviously affected the trajectories of my “natural” fashion sense, posture, cadence, exercise habits, and any number of other subtle elements that shaped others’ perception. i figure i missed the true “80s action hero” sphere of influence and perhaps the “hardcore” music scene by only a few years. funny to think about what might be different.
point being: white nationalists may never be marketable or even acceptable in polite company, but to expand their ranks, they will need some positive role models. namely, guys who are not virgin losers.
again, great post, jack. fedrz’ comment was very impressive as well.
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To me feminism and liberalism are in the same boat, and the people who take the brunt of their attack are white men, although all men suffer under feminism. I’m not surprised there is crossover between sites like the Spearhead, Roissy, and somebody like Steve Sailer. I get a right-wing or anti-liberal vibe from many of the pro-male sites I visit, and they usually link to many right -wing or even pro-white sites.
I only read two articles at this Occidental site, so I’m not going to call them white supremacist because I have no idea. Like it matters, any site which engages in white advocacy even the slightest or just talks about issues affecting whites, is automatically designated a “hate group” by the anti-white, anti-free speech organization SPLC.
Fedrz hit it in on the head in his post.
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I think a lot of pro-male sites link to the Occidental Quarterly because of F. Roger Devlin, who is one of their editors.
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I think a lot of pro-male sites link to the Occidental Quarterly because of F. Roger Devlin, who is one of their editors.
Very very true Welmer.
Devlin is a veritable genius and a pioneer in researching – and explaining to the rest of us – the (seemingly) inscrutible nature of female hypergamy. Thanks Roger!
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SEXUAL UTOPIA IN POWER
That is the female sexual utopia in power. Aristophanes had a better understanding of the female mind than the average husband. …
http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/archives/vol6no2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf
Rotating Polyandry—and its Enforcerers
http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/archives/vol7no2/v7no2_Devlin.pdf
Argumentations – Rotating Polyandry — and its Enforcers (Book Review)
http://www.argumentations.com/Argumentations/StoryDetail_7731.aspx
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Devlin is also a fine gentleman that I had the pleasure of meeting once in Washington, DC.
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If you start going down the path of “don’t link to it because it’s offensive” you end up on a slippery slope to 1984. Even if it’s vile it has to be allowed or the definition of vile will be wilted away step by step until any disagreement is vile. Same thing that happened with rape. It’s called a mini-rape if some guy says “nice legs” to a girl in a miniskirt (heard that in an interview with Christina Hoff Summers, don’t remember where).
I think a big problem with discourse about race in the West is this unnecesary guilt white people seem to feel. Like fedrz said, there were mistakes made but who hasn’t made mistakes? I think a good way to try and reverse the situation isn’t to talk about other races weaknesses but our own strengths. Next time some moron spits the word slavery at you to kill an argument spit back electricity, or transistor, or internal combustion engine.
Being defensive isn’t the way to go. By all means, acknowledge failures but don’t forget the achievements that everyone has benefited from.
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OT, but this article is ripe for a beasting. Note his shaming language for men who don’t want old women
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1245793/Seductive-confident-knowing-The-allure-older-woman-novelist-Howard-Jacobson-enthralled.html
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Loving your own race is alpha. The tribal leader is proud of his tribe, protects it, and looks out for it versus rivals. It’s a very manly thing to do, and due to a core survivial need to in-group and out-group. The fact that it can metatize into “racism” is unfortunate but its the social processes of racism that are the problem, not the core human nature.
I am white and support the white race. I have no problem with other races having a similar identification and pride with their own race. It doesn’t mean we have to pit ourselves into a war against each other.
And for fucks sake – let’s not be scared of talking about these things.
Making you defensive about pointing out the achievements of white culture is just a standard tool of the cultural marxists.
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1980s Black Game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OidzXtEH9dg
To say that Game is ‘new’ is like saying that gravity never existed before Isaac Newton saw that apple fall.
It’s a codification/systematisation of rules that men of all ethnicities and cultures have observed throughout history.
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@Jack Donovan
The link offends me. White Supremacists are total dip shits. I don’t won’t their Neanderthal hate filled shit linked here, for any reason! These dumb fuckers are dead ends… period. No good will come of this… please remove it for fucks sake.
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TOQ is a voice of sanity in a politically correct swamp.
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Eman:
On another pro-White website earlier today there was a post about ‘game’ called “Game Over: Revenge of the Patriarchs†– check it out if you want: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/01/24/game-over-revenge-of-the-patriarchs/
David: Well, I think you can learn something from nearly everybody, including racists. Nobody has an absolute monopoly on the truth or on interesting ideas.
I think the link given by Eman actually makes one good point – that “game” to enable a man to “fuck sluts” is not the ultimate aim. If Western Man is to regain his rightful place, with his devoted Woman by his side, he will have to move beyond that stage into something more long-term and fertile.
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And another thing: when did men become so cowered? What men should say to women is something like this – “Everything you use, eat and wear was invented or produced by a man. Try being grateful, occasionally.”
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Language ideologies, men. Language ideologies. They form the basis of feminism, and, guess what? They form the basis of racism too.
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zel-
Sorry to give you the vapors.
Did you actually read that before you posted it?
But as far as getting intellectual about this sort of thing:
I think such responses are somewhat natural. I am a 21 year old white man. Growing up in the public education system, I was taught that Bad White Men were the source of all Evils in the world. We enslaved black people, we eradicated scores of Hispanic people, we forced the Native Americans from their homes, desecrated their land and herded them into camps. We chased them down the trail of tears. Chief among our sins, however, always seemed to be the way that we had oppressed women until, finally, after much struggle, enlightened society gave women the vote.
That was the story, anyway.
Furthermore, take a look at the news media. Does the news media have anything good to say about white men, ever? (Trick question: we all know it rarely has anything good to say about men period, let alone white men. I seem to notice that a white man’s race is reported only in a negative context, but perhaps that is just selection bias.)
Take a look at the entertainment industry. What does the entertainment industry have to say about white men? Here too I think the answer is obvious. Cultural and societal pressures to advocate diversity means fewer and fewer white male leads and role models as time goes on. If a TV show or movie must have a white male lead, he is always flawed in some way. Yes, this is a more “human” approach to story telling, but it also robs white men of strong and infallible role models to look up to.
Ponder corporate culture. How much value does corporate culture place on being a white male? Is it possible that being a white male has NEGATIVE value associated with it in corporate culture? After all, being a white male is just about antithetical to diversity, isn’t it? And corporate culture has been all about diversity and equality lately. Or am I just being delusional?
Lastly, take a look at the legal system. Laws that propagate affirmative action weigh heavily on the minds of white men. We can be just as good or better at a job, just as good or better on that college application, and yet we are denied not because someone has bested us but because an arbitrary quota decided in the court of law has not been met. For those that value meritocracy – regardless of your skin color or sex – this is a travesty. I am not making an argument that white men are naturally better than any other brand of human – I don’t have enough facts to make that case and I wouldn’t care to even if I had. I am merely posing the argument that perhaps we are no worse.
It is no coincidence that I listed the five main guardians of language ideology in my brief analysis here – public education, the news media, the entertainment industry, corporate culture and the legal system. What sorts of messages are our society sending white men? We cannot change the fact that we were born white any sooner than we can erase whatever sins our forefathers may have committed. It only seems natural that, as society heaps guilt and shame upon white men, they begin to take ownership of being white men and take the idea to extremes. “Don’t like me? Good. I don’t like you either!” The same systems that generate and propagate feminism are the very ones that have previously (and continue to, to a certain extent) generate and propagate racism.
Isn’t this not what is happening with the term misogynist? Isn’t this not exactly what Zed wrote about? Hate bounces. Those who choose to ignore these points are just as culpable in spreading racism and falsely motivated hate as are those who have been corrupted by hatred and choose to make an extreme stand.
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Don’t feed the trolls. Oh! And never ever feed the White Devils. No, really… DON’T!
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@Jack Donovan
Your post yes, but I refused the links. I will not in anyway support White Supremacists by viewing any hate their peddling.
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@ Zel
Burying your head in the sand and ignoring a problem does nothing to solve it. Problems are only solved by confronting them or by allowing them to become the norm – something is no longer problematic if it is normal, now is it?
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It is apparent I should write my racism and language ideology post.
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@J. Durden
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Also, kicking myself over using “isn’t this not” instead of “is this not.” Good thing this is a comment thread and not a post.
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It should be possible, on a politically subversive men’s rights site, to state the bleedin’ politically incorrect obvious :
white women, on the whole, have a strong sexual preference for black men.
And it should also, on a men’s rights site, be acceptable to state the following :
this sexual preference often takes the most dehumanizing, objectifying, instrumentalising form of exploitation imaginable.
And it should also be acceptable to put forward the theory that pick-up-artist-culture arose in multi-ethnic cities such as Toronto (mystery) as a means of enabling young white men, with the wrong colour dick, to have a chance.
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@ Zel
Which part are you confused over? If you simply choose to ignore racism and hatred whenever you see it, you are not doing anything to solve the problem. Like all of the “good women” out there who are “so not like feminists,” you are culpable in your silence; you allow the hatred, racism and injustice to pass by you mostly unchallenged. Oh sure, you might remark that you do not like it, but who cares? Any sensible person will tell you they do not like hatred and intolerance. And by not analyzing why people may have those hatreds and attempting to understand where they come from and why they structure their own realities they way they do, you fail to contribute anything meaningful to the solution.
In fact, the only way to find a solution is to confront these hard and uncomfortable challenge. Has feminism not taught us that ignoring gender differences does not solve any problems – it only makes them worse? Why, then, do you think that ignoring racial differences or tensions will alleviate them?
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@J. Durden
“Also, kicking myself over using “isn’t this not†instead of “is this not.†Good thing this is a comment thread and not a post. ”
Never mind, say no more… please.
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@ Zel
Why should I say no more? Because I made a silly grammatical error and kicked myself over it?
Apparently, I have accorded you far more respect than you deserve.
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Oh pfft. That is not *generally* true at all. The number of interracial couples is very small, and even when married (white) women have sexual affairs, they’re almost never with black men. This whole idea that white women prefer black men for sex is a kind of white guy paranoia/humiliation fantasy.
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@J. Durden
Oh no! You got me on the defense. You attack like a feminist… bitch!
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I will not be dragged into a cat fight. My arguments stand, as do your lack of responses. Anything else is inconsequential.
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@J. Durden
“I will not be dragged into a cat fight. My arguments stand, as do your lack of responses. Anything else is inconsequential.”
The trash heap has spoken!!!(yawn)
Look fool, you start off with “Which part are you confused over?” Nuff said.
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To one and all. I understand just fine thanks.If you link to these FUCKERS, you are lending them you support. All you bright peeps should understand this… surly. Does SH support their cause?
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Surely*
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No really, weigh it up, put it to a vote. I will not sail on a ship of fools!
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You don’t need articles on “black game” or “latino game”. It’s not something you guys could really learn, it’s encoded in our DNA or something.
You guys have an easier time catching a cab. We get more pussy.
Que sera, sera…
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Does SH support their cause?
This thread has already established some clear parameters. It is you that is trying to tear them down, and in fact, are enabling them by screeching so damn irrationaly that no-one should stare this issue in the face.
I haven’t seen one swastika being endorsed yet on this thread.
But I do see some of the familiar hallmarks of bigotry.
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I think this is the important point, zel:
Jack just so happened to first see the idea of Game being used as a tool for ideological recruitment on a white supremacist site.
None of this is to say that he supports racism. After reading his post I came away assured that he doesn’t.
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@fedrz
Well, you’ve cast your vote fedrz.
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@fedrz
Well, you’ve cast your vote fedrz.
Fuckin’ right. And anyone who insists I have to shut up and cheer my own cultural & racial death better run for cover.
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Snark said:
“Jack just so happened to first see the idea of Game being used as a tool for ideological recruitment on a white supremacist site.”
That’s what I got out of it.
“None of this is to say that he supports racism. After reading his post I came away assured that he doesn’t.”
I don’t think he does either.
But, ask yourselves this…..
Do you really want THAT kind of traffic coming to The Spearhead.
Because personally, I sure as hell wouldn’t want the New Black Panther Party for Self Defense coming to this site.
Just saying…..
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Free speech exists to protect the ideas you do not like. The ideas you do like need no protection. If you think racism and hatred are things worth opposing (and, moreover, ending), I would ask you to consider the proposition that ignoring them these maladies will not cure or end them.
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Its late here folks, 3:45am. I will pick this back up later today.
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zel-
You have no right to demand anything.
@Jack Donovan
I haven’t demanded JACK Jack. I have made an appeal.
Anyway, I’m off to bed.
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Do you really want THAT kind of traffic coming to The Spearhead.
I’d like to think the men here are able to handle that kind of thing without having to hide in the closet, cowering in fear. I’m not afraid to smack down any white supremacist that is harming my own race or culture, just like I am not afraid to smack down anyone who wants me to loathe myself for being white.
There was a time, only a few years ago, that the same argument was made about men speaking out against feminism itself, rather than only portraying “men as victims,” a time that men were only permitted to speak up for “egalitarianism.” ***barf***
There was a time when everything I wrote on my blog would get a plethora of haters showing up threatening to kick my ass, and wishing my death. It just wasn’t a productive day unless I had equally pissed off people both from the Socialist Left and the Conservative Right. Tsk, tsk, slow day… only one death threat, I’d better notch up my radicalism a bit…
In fact, there once was a time when Angry Harry was one of the most radical, outspoken people on the web in regard to men’s rights – and look how cuddly and normal he looks now. I look like a raving lunatic compared to him. Hmmm… wait a minute, maybe I am a raving lunatic!
But 90% of the discussions about men’s issues here on the Spearhead would not have been permitted today, if we had all shut up out of fear of being called a misogynist back then, would they?
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Being an MRA on February 14, 2007
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Yeah, the time for cowering to the PC thought police is over.
No more.
@ fedrz
Points taken….
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Personally,I loathe Political Correctness more then any of the other ills that plague us.
If Spearhead looks at these issues with it’s normal high intellectual standard,then there is nothing to fear.
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So far, we appear to have Nemo, The Caliph and zel within the offended camp. In the unoffended camp, we have several of us, including myself. A question has just occurred to me – are Nemo, Caliph and Zel MRAs? I know that Fedrz is an MGTOW, Jack Donovan, Welmer have not, to my knowledge, identified as MRAs – but don’t let me speak for them. My point? If you are a free agent on the side of “truth” and not your gender, you won’t be gender-bound, you won’t have any gender identity issue to feel the compulsion to defend. You will be a free spirit who knows that truths have to be confronted to be understood, and you won’t be intimidated by other people’s truths. But if you’re an MRA, you will be worried about “reputation”… the reputation of men. You will see yourself as having an identity to defend. You will be comparing yourself with the moral virtues of feminist women, and trying to make sure that you don’t set yourself up as a bad example. In other words, if my thought-experiment turns out to be affirmed, you have not liberated yourself from feminism, and you are allowing your terms to continue to be defined by them… as we would expect, given that countering one genderism with another does little to alter the dominant, sexist paradigm. Is this possible, that the issue of contention here turns out to be one between MRAs and not-MRAs?
It would also be interesting to draw inter-cultural comparison. Judging by his time zone, we know that zel is from New Zealand.
… I’m looking for patterns at the social level and like to test them out.
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I call bullshit on this guy’s claim to understand and practice game.
I was once at a restaurant that had a bar right next to my table. Sitting there was a tall, slender blonde with blue eyes whom I resolved to meet. As it just so happened, this place was a microbrewery with its own unique assortment of beers, one of which was titled “The Blonde Bombshell.†I strategically walked up to the bar in a spot next to the woman and placed my order with enough volume for her to hear it. Surely enough, like clockwork, she responded.
“A fan of the blondes, eh?†she inquired with a come-hither look in her eye. “Guilty,†I responded with a smirk while slowly shaking my head. A longer conversation then spilled out naturally, I got her number, and the rest was fait accompli.
Seriously? “A fan of the blondes, eh?” Only a woman on the far side of cougar would respond like that.
I don’t have a problem with linking to “controversial” sites, but this essay isn’t exactly high-level analysis. It’s just pompous fringe-political rhetoric spiced up with bullshit stories and Game 101 language of the sort you can get from reading Neil Strauss or spending a few hours on the web. As game becomes more well-known, there will be more essays like this, but it’s nothing to get excited over.
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@ Jack Donovan
Actually, while reading Fedrz’s post I had to remember that the MRA/MGTOW site that I regularly haunt has the same problems.
They’re usually in the form of “strong and independent” black women and their mangina familiars telling us how we’re either….
Intimidated by their success….
Gay….
Unable to get pussy…..
And so on and so on and so on. But we smack them down and take great pleasure in it.
So yeah, I hear what you’re saying.
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Heh, I haven’t yet clicked the link… but, a couple of years ago, I did once spend a few days surfing around on some similar sites, so I have an idea what is there. I just wanted to know exactly what they were saying, and I wanted to make up my own mind about it, rather than be told what I was blindly supposed to believe about it, without ever verifying it for myself.
It’s just like people who don’t believe that, in fact, we are already practicing Communism. They could simply, like… you know… have looked it up! It’s been just sitting there all along.
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Also, I have read before about in the Soviet Union, that they often moved millions of ethnic people around. Pack your shit, and move 500 miles over there, into the heart of that other ethnic area. And you people, pack your shit and go over there. Hmmm.
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Good post – and exactly on the mark!
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This whole idea that white women prefer black men for sex is a kind of white guy paranoia/humiliation fantasy.
Comes from the Reconstruction era. Like the myth that black men have bigger penises. Most people prefer people of the same race (with those of mixed race being a bit of a wild card), although they’ll often jump ship for someone with otherwise superior qualities — including Game.
You guys have an easier time catching a cab. We get more pussy.
LOL. Sort of evens things out in life, but not in reproduction. What’s the use of hailing a cab, if you then have to ride home alone?
To be honest, the whole idea of white supremacism or white nationalism seems a bit silly to me. What is the “white culture”?
I do understand having an interest in the fate of your own race, though. I feel that way about black Americans, or even Americans in general. I suppose it’s a natural kinship-thing being projected onto a larger group. But I wouldn’t (and didn’t) put preserving my race over preserving my own personal genetic heritage and selecting the best possible mate. What’s the point in preserving your race while your genes die out? Isn’t that self-defeating?
And the whole anti-miscegenation-thing needs to be taken with a large dose of salt. What most of these guys mean is that they don’t want white women sleeping with non-white men. I’ve had enough of them try to get in my pants to know that the reverse isn’t as stigmatized. Racism is largely an intra-masculine war.
It makes sense to want to preserve Bavarian (including Catholic) culture to me, as it’s something easily defined and personally valuable. My husband is quite gung-ho about it and puts a lot of pressure on me to maintain traditions, clothing, language, cuisine, etc. He’s even managed to switch my dialect from my native Swabian to Bavarian, and gets me into a Dirndl occasionally.
So, I guess the original premise of the article is true. Women will often adopt the ideology of her husband if she admires him, and Game could be useful in achieving that end.
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The very fact
you require a disclaimer
proves it’s business
as usual
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Guys, in case you don’t know ‘racist’ is just another illuminati mind-fuck to stop you from thinking. Guess what. Some races really ARE better than other at certain things.
The black guys simply ARE better at track and field. The marathon winners are mostly black and the track and other running sports are mostly won by blacks. And don’t even get me started on something like basketball. How many white Michael Jordans are there exactly? Zero. That’s how many.
The white guys are better swimmers. When was the last time you saw a black guy win an olympic gold medal at swimming. Never. That’s when. White guys also happen to be better at killing lots of people with cool new technology they invented, just in case you have not noticed.
The yellow guys are the best at keeping the peace and evolving an advanced society that is not totally dependent on killing and looting other societies. Or has no-one noticed the chinese have never had a war of aggression.
I am as racist as I am sexist. That is because I discriminate, meaning I am able to tell the difference in the quality of the finer things of life. making words like ‘discriminating’ and ‘racist’ and ‘sexist’ indicators of ‘bad’ is stupid and ludicrous and only idiots fall for it. Which is 95% of the population.
Different races have inherent different skills and abilities, women and men have inherent different skills and abilities and I am intelligent enough to ‘discriminate’ to know these inherent differences and abilities and intelligent enough to know that someone trying to tell me that ‘everyone is equal’ and any other thought is ‘sexist’, or ‘racist’ or ‘discrimination’ is an mind crontroled idiot.
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Have you ever noticed that black women are better able to carry baskets on their heads? Or how Czech women make the tastiest Knoedel? Or how German women can beat their children with a cooking spoon to much greater effect?
I’m totally with you on this one, Globalman.
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See….it’s one thing to acknowledge the differences between races and ethnicities. It’s another for people to believe that one race/ethnicity is overall superior than another and because of that, they harbor racial intolerance just because someone’s different than them. Not to mention treating someone differently than another person simply base on their race/ethnicity.
That is how I’ve always viewed racism.
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This is non racial game right here http://www.manhood101.com
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Neither race nor gender are social constructs.
White Nationalism recognizes this.
The men’s movement does not.
Multiculturalism is a worse problem than Feminism:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/index.htm
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The whole thing was written so stiff.
I imagined a slightly more animate C3PO teaching others how to “spit” game.
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What you guys consider “racist”, evil, scary, and wrong, is considered normal and healthy in Japan:
In Praise of Homogeneity
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/01/in_praise_of_ho.php
Do you understand how deeply brainwashed by Cultural Marxism you are in the West?
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Yippees.
Another forum to post in.
Very innovative.
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“Devlin is also a fine gentleman that I had the pleasure of meeting once in Washington, DC.”
If you wouldn’t mind, tell us a little more about your experience with Devlin.
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Thanks Coral
My country, Denmark was a much better place before feminism, lack of childbirth and the following immigration.
Besides that, I actually feel much better around people of my own kin . . . my bad!
In my eyes the concept of racism is basicly a Marxist tool to destroy welfuncti0ning societies.
I’m NOT a racist if I don’t percue people of other races, if don’t hang them for being of another race, if I don’t jail them for being of another race.
I have the right to search and join the people I want to be around and shun others.
That doesn’t make me a racist!
Being political correct actually makes me a mangina or an outright communist.
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Just want to add.
It’s men that make societies so in order to form a society men of a certain race doesn’t need women of the same race!
So to speak, white men doesn’t need white women so form a society.
Furthermore culture seems to be what makes the difference between societies so that’s more of a common denominator than race.
Still no one should force their viewpoints on me!
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Devlin has read some of our sites, well, I know he’s been to my blog for sure because he’s left a few comments there.
I’ve also been to The Occidental Quarterly and to Thornwalker.
Just because they talk about whites and culture, and what is happening to us, does not mean they are supremacists. I very much enjoyed surfing around there for a few days. I think I read them all at the Occidental Quarterly, although there may be a few recent ones I haven’t read. I didn’t figure out everything I’ve figured out by only reading men’s sites.
When I referred to, further up, that I sought out some supremacist sites, I meant supremacist sites – the guys who really believe in white supremacism. I’m not the only one, some of you fellas might remember Toku/Mamonuka/etc. (He of many names) , from Togakure School – and we often used to communicate with eachother via e-mail etc., as we heavily supported eachother’s blogs, and sometimes even cross-blogged. (He would make a splendid writer here, if we could get him – very thought provoking, and well researched stuff). Anywho, Toku told me as well, that he went to some supremacist forums, and debated them – not throw hate at them – because he wanted to learn more about them. I think it was storm front or something like that, and to do with other issues like the Holocaust and stuff. Those kinds of sites are different from the two I linked further up this post. He too said to me, in regard to supremacist sites he debated at, some of their arguments were pretty tight, even though he disagreed. Some of them are not tight at all, as well. We should know the difference. Btw, disaffected men will get attracted to the extremists as our culture declines – look at Hitler and the history of what enabled his kind to rise to power. We should be on the look out to know the difference.
But, one will never know if one never bothers to look for themselves, and compare the differences between the lunatics, and those who make sense and understand about culture. It’s the same as my site is different from an Andrew Dice Clay routine, and I don’t think what I write is in the same spirit or intent.
I agree with Codebuster. I just want The Truth!
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Renee,
This is how I’ve always viewed feminism. Thank you for putting it in your own words. That was great.
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Sorry, that Thornwalker link – it’s the link to The Last Ditch, near the bottom of the page, that leads to many articles about culture.
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It’s funny to watch white guys discussing race. Lots of CYA comments and qualifiers. Black people don’t do that.
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The picture at the head of this article is deceptive – it depicts all White Nationalists as tattooed 40 oz swilling Neo-Nazi thug types: that is not the case at all.
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On the website Occidental Dissent (a pro-White website), another post on ‘game’ – “Whiteness and Game” — http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/01/25/whiteness-and-game/
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It’s funny to watch white guys discussing race. Lots of CYA comments and qualifiers. Black people don’t do that. — B&G
I don’t think it’s funny at all.
In fact, I think it is deadly serious.
Btw, can you imagine the reaction I would get if my handle were “White & Canadian”?
Or if I claimed there was no such thing as “Black Culture”?
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It’s because they’re so preoccupied with they should plan to celebrate the future victory over “Them”
lol – that’s a sharp observation. i think i hate you now
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edit:
“It’s because they’re so preoccupied with how they should plan to celebrate the future victory over “Themâ€
…sorry, for the omission — i’m actually laughing like a mofo
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Yeah, that’s what I mean. It’d be like if your handle were Opal. LOL.
There is no black culture (I’m from Texas and black people there are nothing like black people in Canada, for instance), and the definition of the “black race” (the One Drop Rule) was something thought up by white people.
I just find this all highly ironic.
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Place me firmly in the unoffended column.
Here’s my two bits on the issue. If the Spearhead were to bow to the screeching and hissy fits of people like zel who say that we shouldn’t even link to something that might offend someone, then the Spearhead might as well just shut down. Some people are determined to be offended by anything and everything. There are lots of people in the world who have opinions I don’t agree with. I may not like it or even want to listen to it, but I want to be able to choose for myself what books, newspapers, or magazines I buy, what TV or radio programs I watch, and what websites I click on or link to. Likewise, the Spearhead has every right to link to whatever site it wants to. Along those same lines, people like zel have every right not to click on those links. However, people like zel do not have the right to dictate policy to the Spearhead. If folks like zel don’t like what they read here, then they are free to go elsewhere.
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Now that’s just not true. It only seems that way to you because you’re in that culture.
People don’t perceive their own culture as “culture” — they just think it’s how normal people live and behave. I know this from living overseas and having the opportunity to see my culture from an outside perspective.
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But, truly, the reason why you don’t bother calling yourself “White & Canadian” is because being white is the default. Minorities tend to identify themselves in comparison to the majority. Online everyone is expected to be white, unless they specifically say otherwise.
For a similar example, over at Catholic Answers, the people tend to choose handles to reflect their country of origin and religion.
Although this will become more complicated when white people become just another minority. When is that? 2050?
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And you don’t find it ironic that while you are claiming to not care about these things, the first thing that everyone sees when they identify you is your race? By your own choice, too, I might add.
Just like that Vancouver Indian Supremacist that was here the other day, thought nothing of using racial identifiers to degrade whites (along with blacks), because, I assume, she is used to standing behind her own race. While she goes off degrading other’s morals, by identifying their skin colour… we have become so blind to it, we don’t see it. We only see it when whites do it.
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People don’t perceive their own culture as “culture†— they just think it’s how normal people live and behave.
That’s true. I don’t see it at all. I just notice stuff other people do that I find “weird”. But eating greens, ribs, and cornbread is just “normal”. Interesting thought.
So what’s “white culture”? Enlighten me.
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But, truly, the reason why you don’t bother calling yourself “White & Canadian†is because being white is the default. — B&G
Says who?
I fully understand exactly how many black people frequent these sites.
And, while I don’t know the race of the people who viciously opposed the linking of the site at the beginning… I’d wager they were not blacks, but whites.
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And you don’t find it ironic that while you are claiming to not care about these things, the first thing that everyone sees when they identify you is your race?
Although, in my defense, that handle is a carry-over from Abagond’s where race relations is arguably the main topic. I’ve since moved on to a more neutral one, but haven’t switched here as not to confuse people.
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No really, weigh it up, put it to a vote. I will not sail on a ship of fools!
Adios, amigo.
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Which one? It varies by region, and I don’t know if I can speak for Yankees or Southerners (I’m a Westerner).
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Devlin has read some of our sites, well, I know he’s been to my blog for sure because he’s left a few comments there
Could you provide a link to those comments?
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lmfao.
Simply put:
Women have men pussywhipped.
Minorities have them racialwhipped.
Annnnnd…everybody runs around ticky-typing on their keyboards about “Something should be done about this (latest) outrage harrumph!”
It’s not so much that “racial” posting is “offensive” – as that it is paralyzingly distracting to an already fragmented, beaten down group that imagines themselves somehow achieving a victory against a force that has more weapons in its arsenal than words. And, it has no hesitation or moral limitation to use these weapons repeatedly while The Stammering Class floats above the nerdputer, apologizing for Slavery and inadvertently misappropriating Ebonics slang.
You can achieve your victory, but only if you realize the nature of your opponent. And, making some sort of a plan helps.
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Actually culture various within Scandinavia as well as within Germany.
Still culture is a common denominator for a people, not just race.
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Could you provide a link to those comments? — Lothario
What he left on my blog was a bit of praise for this article, which he thought was well done, and I had a small forum on my site for a short while, and he left a few comments there encouraging people to read some other of his articles, which were linked further up this thread, as well as to places like the Occidental Quartely and such. I deleted the forum after having it up for only a month or two, because it was such a pain in the ass and was taking away from my blogging, plus irritating me enormously. There was not particularly any intellectual conversation. I was pleased he thought well of my articles though.:)
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Which one? It varies by region, and I don’t know if I can speak for Yankees or Southerners (I’m a Westerner).
That was my point. There’s a white-Texas culture and a black-Detroit culture, but the black-Texas culture is arguably more similar to the white-Texas culture than the black-Detroit culture.
That’d be like saying I was for “German culture”. There’s Bavarian culture, which is arguably closer to Austrian and Bohemian cultures than Prussian culture, for instance. And the Frieslaender are more Hansean than Saxon, and therefore closer to the Dutch.
So perhaps my German way of thinking in ethnicity instead of race makes it difficult for me to see the point.
And, while I don’t know the race of the people who viciously opposed the linking of the site at the beginning… I’d wager they were not blacks, but whites.
Uh, yeah. That was my original point. That it was the white people worrying about the PC aspect of linking to a pro-white site. Three (or more?) black people posted in this thread and none of us cared about that. Unless you manage to get some Black Power types on here, most “minorities” are arguably more relaxed about discussing race than white people are.
That was what I found ironic.
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Part of our Canadian Culture is poking fun of our neighbours to the South, in the 11th Province.
Also, a great past-time is seeing what kind of yarns we can tell when talking to Americans.
But what we like even better is poking fun of ourselves.
So, you can tell us to “Take off, you hosers!” if you would like to.
Lol! It would take me quite an article to write about Canadian Culture, relating to race and so on, and further, how it has been systematically degraded.
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Uh, yeah. That was my original point. That it was the white people worrying about the PC aspect of linking to a pro-white site. Three (or more?) black people posted in this thread and none of us cared about that. Unless you manage to get some Black Power types on here, most “minorities†are arguably more relaxed about discussing race than white people are.
That was what I found ironic.
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Good observation – I find it ironic as well.
Journalist Steve Sailer explains this *seeming* paradox rather well -
http://vdare.com/sailer/whiteness.htm
Perhaps one could also recognise and call out this behavior for what it is: an updated and more genteel form of paternalism.
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So, let the liberals continue to make us ashamed of our own culture?
. . . or not!
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Yes I get your point that there is no one black culture, but it does not follow from that that black culture does not exist. Here in Seattle, whites don’t think of themselves as having any culture in particular, but there are plenty of places that I can go to that are almost 100% white, and outsiders would not understand what the hell these white people are up to there.
For example, I went out to a performance of the Rheingold Curse in Old Norse on Saturday evening. With the exception of a couple of Asian girlfriends, it was a crowd of whiteness. Would American black folks like going to a bardic performance where various Scandinavians and Brits are plucking harps, playing ancient flutes and chanting about dragons, dwarves, Sigurd and Brynhild in the language of the Vikings? I think they’d probably prefer some good old Muddy Waters.
Here’s one of the performers I saw on Saturday reciting Beowulf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX_mDfRib8k&feature=related
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So, let the liberals continue to make us ashamed of our own culture?
. . . or not!
Or, as I like to call it — Complex before Conquest
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Everyone is in a tizzy and is posting polemics about “free speech”, asking me “What are you afraid of?” [hint: anonymous posters on the Internet score kinda low on my enemies list], and fulminating about “who dictates policy on this website”.
I just think that racism is in bad taste and I don’t want to see this site associated with it.
It’s not a suppresion of free speech when you choose not to read worthless crap. Racist writings don’t pass my lower threshold of quality control. I’ve flipped through Mein Kampf – it’s an atrocious piece of literature.
If you guys want to read that stuff, just Google it yourselves.
One final observation – we’ve wasted over 100 posts on a worthless topic.
‘Nuff said.
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Welmer, that is a supreme example. ROFLMAO!
Get me some Barry White any day, over that. I’m usually the “Asian girlfriend” (except that I’m not Asian), because my husband drags me to traditional Bavarian concerts or recitals in Alt Bayrisch that I can’t understand.
And one bierfest after another, after another, after another. It sucks to be the only brown girl in a Dirndl sometimes, because everyone wants to dance with you and then you get passed from one spinning, drunken, sweaty Lederhosentraeger to the next. The novelty factor, you know. I’m always grateful when somebody shows up with a South American wife so I can get a break.
I think fedrz got upset because he thought I was calling him a racist.
I know some Canadians. They say “Ay”, right? And they have better English, but they speak too quickly. They all want to come here for our superior health care. The people who live out west are either Native Americans who smoke salmon, or white lumberjacks who wear flannel, grow beards, smoke pipes, and live in log houses. The men in the east harvest maple syrup.
Not to be stereotyping, or anything.
I only call Firepower a racist (wacist), because he likes negative attention and often writes in haiku-style, which I find pleasing. But he hates me now, so I shall go wash the dishes.
Later alligators. This was quite amusing. Feeling a bit silly today, and this thread threw me right off the deep end.
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Don’t worry, Nemo, racial issues are not going to dominate this site. That would be a total waste of time, IMO.
Maybe I’ll write an editorial concerning my own take on the subject and put it up for tomorrow. Hopefully, that should set the record straight (but it might backfire — I guess we’ll see).
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Just out of fairness gang, let us remember that it is not ‘racism’ for White people — either in ethnic or racial terms — to have legitimate group interests at stake, and to discuss these interests, without berating or belittling other races.
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=200
You all should equally remember that the very term “racism” is, paradoxically, a ‘racist’ code-word against White folks (since non-Whites are rarely stigmatized as racists, unless of course they are non-Pee Cee themselves or, even worse, accused of ‘antisemitism’). It was first coined, interestingly enough, by the father of Cultural Marxism himself — the Bolshevik Leon Trotsky — who used it as a shaming term to instill a guilt complex in the Russian, Ukrainian and East European peoples that the Red Army was intent on subjegating.
In other words, in one of the first and deadliest examples of Orwellian double-speak and mind-control, the victims of Communism were the ‘racist’ ‘bad guys’ for wishing to preserve themselves and their traditional societies against the ‘Forces of Equality’ and the ‘Brotherhood of New Soviet Man’ — of which the Soviet Union was ‘destined’ to usher in.
Well, 40,000,000 corpses later, we obviously see how that ‘dream’ worked out.
Peace out.
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Corrected link -
What we call “political correctness†today actually dates back to the Soviet Union of the 1920s (politicheskaya pravil’nost’ in Russian), and was the extension of political control to education, psychiatry, ethics, and behavior.
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.phpname=Content&pa=showpage&pid=200
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@ B&G
Yes, I thought that example might make my point.
Actually, they say “eh?” all the time. As in: “Pass me another Molson, eh?”
As for their better English, I’m not so sure. They call a house a “hoose.” For example, one might hear a Canadian say “there’s a moose in the hoose, eh” and if you were an American in North BC you wouldn’t know whether they meant the large animal with antlers, or the diminutive rodent.
Also, the so-called fast talking of Canadians is only an illusory effect derived from the fact that many of them have consumed enough beer that one can hear the carbonation fizzing when they open their mouths.
Not too far from the truth. Except most of the lumberjacks chew tobacco to keep their hands free for the chainsaws, and the Indians smoke more weed than salmon.
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Good Kulak, there is the regular anti-white(-male) racism on this forum, but I’ve never read anything about white-supremacism, just a few white men occasionally speaking up for themselves.
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Corrected link -
Multiculturalism and Marxism | An Englishman looks at the Soviet origins of political correctness
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.phpname=Content&pa=showpage&pid=200
{For those interested, you have to cut-and-paste this link, since for some reason it is not auto-directing to the site.}
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Canadians also pronounce “about” as “aboot”. I have often wondered whether this results from a French influence on Canadian English, as the dipthong “ou” is pronounced that way in French.
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Good Kulak, there is the regular anti-white(-male) racism on this forum, but I’ve never read anything about white-supremacism, just a few white men occasionally speaking up for themselves.
And the problem is my friend, that just like with women, if we don’t stand up for our legitimate interests as White men, we will not be respected — just like so many men in general are not respected by women because of their fawning subserviance toward them.
That being said, we can be as respectful and as understanding toward other races and groups as is all possible, seeing that they too have legitimate interests and concerns, which the Kultural Marxists deny and denigrate as well.
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Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s Scottish influence. The French have a similar (although rare) sound to our “house” diphthong, only it’s spelled as “ao,” as in cacao and aoûte.
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It is Scottish influence, and both dialects are preserving the older English pronunciation. So in a sense you could say that, while not more “correct,” the Canadian pronunciations are more “traditional.”
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Welmer, that was absolutely hilarious.
For a taste of the music regularly playing in our house:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doCim4fsGnk
I get to hear that for hours everyday all during Advent and Christmas, every year. I have to admit it’s quite pleasant in the evening. But it doesn’t really matter if I like it, as I have no choice either way.
Kulak, I take a different tack: irreverence for everybody, including my own cultures (that makes me sound like yogurt). It’s only fair to treat everybody the same, whichever way you do it.
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I think fedrz got upset because he thought I was calling him a racist. — B&G
No I wasn’t. I just don’t think you should shame white people by insinuating they have no culture, nor mock people who put out disqualifiers. The reason they do that is because they are very fearful. Think about that psychologically, what has happened to white people that they will do such back flips to make sure that no-one sticks up for for whites, nor to allow other people to do so either.
Black people used to do the same thing, you know. Don’t rock the boat! Keep quiet! Blacks themselves used to hush up other blacks – although, I am not an expert on the Black situation in the USA – too much from the media, and other places, and little real experience.
And, futher, like I pointed out in other threads, it is not a problem between blacks & whites. That is a profoundly American problem, but it has trickled out to all whites, around the world. The Black & White problem in the USA is something unique to America, and should almost be excluded in certain areas when talking of Multiculturalism, because the slavery aspect throws in so many unique problems of its own.
Australia had a campaign going on where they were walking around with signs saying “We’re sorry,” I believe.
I really enjoy Anthropology, but it will be a frosty day in hell before you’ll catch me at UBC’s Anthropology Department, sitting there listening day after day to some nitwit professor degrading all the White people in class, for their sins against the superior Indian population – who by the way, we are not allow to call Indian anymore (degrading, apparently), so it changed to Native for a while, and now it is “First Nations Peoples.” And make no mistake, they are taught as a superior culture to ours, even though they were migratory hunter-gatherer’s with simple technology, living Matriarchally, and a life span to about their mid-40′s.
Any museum I’ve walked into, from the Provincial one to the smaller local ones, all put down whites, and talk about how we have ruined everything. In fact, they often even damn well refuse to use proper names. “Traditional” means Indian, and “Non-Traditional” means Europeans. Puke.
Our war history has been re-written at the National War Museum, to suit political correctness, as Ezra Levant has battled about.
I know some Canadians. They say “Ayâ€, right? And they have better English, but they speak too quickly. They all want to come here for our superior health care. The people who live out west are either Native Americans who smoke salmon, or white lumberjacks who wear flannel, grow beards, smoke pipes, and live in log houses. The men in the east harvest maple syrup.
Not to be stereotyping, or anything.
That’s pretty accurate, actually – not bad. Except nobody smokes a pipe, unless it’s a pot pipe, lol, and it’s “eh”, Eh? (It means ten trillion things, depending on how you say it, eh.) I have a flannel jacket – they are called Mackinaws, eh? Not everybody lives in a log cabin, but they wish they did. But, there is the city, and then there is north where I am from, and yes, mostly people are loggers, or miners, or something related up there. And just the other day, an Indian was outside the mall trying to sell me some salmon – seriously. But, he was an Indian, not a Native American, and it’s illegal to buy salmon from them.
But, what ticks me off the most, is we are taking in immigrants in droves from places counter to our own culture – and it is puposefully counter to us. And as soon as they come here, from third world shit-holes, we tell them immediately that us white people have been treating them like crap and have been discriminating against them. Suuuuure! Pull a guy out of country that actually tortures people and watch him two years later, sue us for not getting a promotion, with the full support of the government, because of “discrimination.” Certainly, it boggles the mind.
Plus, your countrymen, B&G, have to do backflips to get into Canada now. I have two close friends from Europe – one from Germany, and one from Switzerland – both highly skilled journeyman. One had to spend over $250,000 in Canadian Investments to get immigrant status, and the other had to wait six years to get in. But, if you don’t speak English, have no education, zero skills, have a completely opposite religion, and a different skin colour… well, come right on in! Got any relatives you would like to bring? Gee, that’s not enough relatives, how about friends? Neighbours? Don’t worry, we’ll affirmative action all their asses into a job.
This is a plot. It is no accident, just like the war on men was no accident.
Pillars which Cultural Marxism seeks to destroy: Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention and conservatism.
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OK. For the record, I’m a white forty seven year old middle class male. As far as the feminists are concerned, I’m the Devil. Am I an MRA? I both DESPISE and OPPOSE feminism… with a passion. I actively and openly speak out against feminism, every opportunity I get. I would love nothing more than to witness their house of cards come crashing down around them, crushing them all to death in a mangled, non resurrectable mess. And to then be held high, as a shame to the history of mankind. I’m I an MRA… maybe, mabe not? It’s not something I’ve given too much thought to. Call my MRA status in to question if you like, I am me, and this me is not a big fan of such labels anyway.
I’m also opposed racism. When I speak of the White Devil, I’m not referring to the average white man or woman. I am referring to the hate filled white nationalists. Fuck them, I want them gone along with feminists. I happen to believe the world would be a better place without their hate and devision… period. If this makes my me a bigot, well then, so be it.
I believe, if you give this group the time of day they will infect SH, as sure as God Didn’t make little apples. And put your shaming language
away, it doesn’t work on me… I know who I am. Fuck, smell the fear in the air kids. Someone open a window.
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Kulak, I take a different tack: irreverence for everybody, including my own cultures (that makes me sound like yogurt). It’s only fair to treat everybody the same, whichever way you do it.
Since you are a lady par excellance, I don’t know if I could be any other way, B&G!
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Zel,
Your lumping of extremists with legitimate interests of a people is profoundly unfair, and I think your hateful and totally gratuitous term “White Devils” betrays a fundamental fear on your part because it to you is a status-diminsher to bee seen sticking up for White people (you know — ’cause only dem stoooopit ‘redniks care ’bout dat stuff), not necessarily out of any kind of high-falutent sentiment on your part toward Minorities.
Like I said before, this attitude really is an updated and genteel form of racist paternalism toward non-Whites, whom so many seem to believe are these fragile and weak individuals who cannot stand an open and frank discussion, or to at least hear a differing perspective on things, you know, ‘lest their, er ‘true natures’ come out and they go postal on someone.
Just like our friend B&G so truthfully pointed out, it is the White folks here who get all apoplectic over a discussion on race, not the Black folks. Something to think about.
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Black people used to do the same thing, you know. Don’t rock the boat!
Hey you’re talking to a total sellout, so it’s a bit like preaching to the choir.
Rocking the boat is good. I rock it just by walking around, breathing, and — uh — reproducing.
Plus, your countrymen, B&G, have to do backflips to get into Canada now.
Doesn’t surprise me. Nobody wants German engineers anymore. Homeland security and all that. Could be terrorists. My dad had to sponsor my husband to get him a Green Card.
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zel –
Afraid of what and whom?
What a bunch of pathetic hand-wringing. God forbid someone actually engages the content of the post and says why they disagree with it instead of stamping around with their hands on their ears.
A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE
“This outstanding film provides an opening salvo for the long-awaited national debate on race. Meticulously done, it offers people of all races a rare opportunity to engage in cross-racial dialogue. I highly recommend this film for social science courses dealing with race, class, and ethnicity.”
http://www.aconversationaboutrace.com/
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Jack-
“Afraid of what and whom?
What a bunch of pathetic hand-wringing. God forbid someone actually engages the content of the post and says why they disagree with it instead of stamping around with their hands on their ears.”
I have made my point Jack, stated my concerns, and have outlined the premise for my stance on the mater. Can’t do anymore that that.
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Plus, your countrymen, B&G, have to do backflips to get into Canada now. — Fedrz
Doesn’t surprise me. Nobody wants German engineers anymore. Homeland security and all that. Could be terrorists. My dad had to sponsor my husband to get him a Green Card. — B&G
Yeah, this was back in the early to mid 1990′s already.
This is a subject that I struggle with quite a bit, because I know that Canada is quite further down the Cultural Marxist road than America, probably by about 20 years, I estimate, and I’ll bet that Ragnar or Arpagus could confirm that where they are from is further down the road yet.
And, of course, it always easier to see things in hindsight. Now that I see what has happened here in Canada, and I look at what is going on the USA right now, I feel an overwhelming urge to start screeching at Americans, “Don’t fall for that trick! Don’t do it! I can tell you what will happen next!”
But, just like those joke links I put up, which plays on the truth that Americans don’t really know that much about us, while we know lots about them… I don’t want to sit here telling Americans all kinds of things about Canadian politics, and what happened when we screwed with our language (like what is being proposed in the USA with Spanish), and so on, because I kinda fear that Americans wouldn’t really want to hear a guy drone on and on about Canada.
But, we’ve done it all already. Split the culture with bilingualism (which puts a minority in control of the majority – and I don’t mean French people, I mean bilingual people – expect all your Presidents to come from California, or other places where there will be bilingualism – ours all come from Montreal, for 40 years straight.) I’d like to talk about what happened when we embraced Gay Marriage, and how it did get used as a tool to introduce subversive shit into our school, and is already being used dialectically to create polygamous marriage. There is the things what I was talking about with immigration and race – we just opened our doors to and took in millions of people – it’s happening to you now too with illegal immigrants. How we dumped the “melting pot” for the “cultural mosaic” and what the results have been, and how it is not about blacks & whites but rather, anti-white – as I’ve pointed out, Canada, of all places in the world, has very little reason to feel “white guilt,” but it is still getting shoved down our throats.
We rewrote our Constitution exactly how Obama and Shitlery have been suggesting… we also took the autonomous powers away from the provinces, and transferred it federally, and it has been just one awful thing after the other. We’ve got universal healthcare that sucks and we go to the USA to pay cash when we are in real trouble, we’ve done the gun registry thing…
And, before we started all of this, in the late 60′s, we had quite a powerful army, believe it or not – now we ourselves often mock our military power, which is pathetic of us. We used to be more prosperous than America, but now we are poorer. We have lost most of our national pride. We no longer have free speech because of our Human Rights tribunals. Church’s are scared about reading certain parts of the Bible for fear of hate speech against homosexuals. Freedom of religion is already disappearing.
I mean, it’s already happened to us! And it hasn’t happened to America yet to nearly the same extent… but, America is the world’s super-power, and all dominant cultures look inward rather than outward. So, Canadians know lots about Americans, but Americans know relatively little about Canadians. It’s too bad, because if you guys seen what I see, a lot of these things that people are debating about would just become a moot point.
America will be the last to go down, but once it goes down… that’s it!
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For the record, I do agree that race should never become the main theme of this site, or even a dominating undercurrent. I knew this post would cause a bit of a kerfuffle, and I made the appropriate disclaimers to separate the linked content from The Spearhead’s mission.
The Spearhead is not a magazine about race, it is about men, and men and women, and the way men fit into and interact with society and civilization. Sometimes content that could “offend” people–including content about race or other hot-button topics–is relevant. Men have races. Different races, like it or not, often form social groups along lines of racial lines. If you’re going to talk about things as they actually are, and not as you wish them to be, you have to engage reality.
I have absolutely zero respect for men who are afraid to follow a link on the Internet and accept or reject content on its own merits (or lack thereof). I realize that some of you are reading this site from countries who have abandoned free speech in favor of refusing to identify real problems for fear of being associate with ze Germans.
I am now readying to consider that the Spearhead does in fact, already have a covert white supremacist faction already embedded under it hood, masquerading as MRA’s. But no, it couldn’t be… could it? Sure it could!
I always think it helpful to make allegiances and boundaries clear with regards certain matters. You know, keep a tidy house kind of thing.
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I hear you fedrz. You know I do.
But I feel a turn-around coming. Here, at least. I think Americans are less likely to put up with that crap. They’re armed.
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Zel, you think these guys are racists? Hoo boy! You need to get out more.
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Oh my stars and garters.
Zel, I haven’t turned down a single contributor who is willing to write coherently about men’s issues. This site is not a dictatorship, and never will be. I got plenty of flak for Obsidian’s post wherein he compared feminist tactics to lynching black men, and now this, and you know what? I can deal with it.
So take it easy, and feel free to add your own opinion. That’s what I really want — men’s opinions. I trust we’ll find a way to work out our arguments amongst ourselves.
Anyway, as I’ve already mentioned, you’ll get an editorial on this. In the meanwhile, I’m glad to see that you have your own take on things. That’s what I want to see, and that’s what we need. But keep in mind that despite the multitude of viewpoints expressed here, there is a common theme.
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Also, the so-called fast talking of Canadians is only an illusory effect derived from the fact that many of them have consumed enough beer that one can hear the carbonation fizzing when they open their mouths. — Welmer
That’s smoooooth talking. And we believe that beer with less than 5% alcohol should be reserved for children and the elderly.
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@Black&German
“Zel, you think these guys are racists?”
Erm? What guys exactly, read my post again…
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Agreed, but you can pep them up with some Schnapps. You don’t have any experience with the Troegenator, do you? My favorite American beer. Who says the Yanks can’t brew?
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Ah, so it was meant for me? Ze German Frau? You don’t really think that a woman who posts on The Spearhead, will give a crap if some dude on the Internet thinks I’m a covert white supremacist.
*yawn*
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So this explains why the baby-bottle nipples from Canada are engineered to fit over a bottle of Heineken. But how does that explain the McNaughton’s special formula?
I swear, you get a few miles north of Vancouver and fetal alcohol syndrome is the norm. Never seen so many ‘tards in my life. Almost as though the kids were born with a bong in one hand and a bottle of moonshine in the other. You combine that with chainsaws and commercial fishing equipment and it’s no wonder so many severed feet were washing ashore in BC.
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Welmer – Very well then, point taken. I shall resume my pseudo zen like state. Peace.
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Black&German:
So, I guess the original premise of the article is true. Women will often adopt the ideology of her husband if she admires him, and Game could be useful in achieving that end.
David: That is one reason why I think my wife respects me, because she often repeats my opinions back at me. Once we were watching a TV program and she made a couple of comments, to which I replied “You have just repeated my remarks of two minutes ago.”
I have never got my wife into a dirndl (!) but I have got her to wear skirts all the time. When she went to the Latin Mass with me for a couple of years, I got her to wear a hat (“because of the angels” – you should get the reference). Unfortunately she has stopped coming with me of late.
Do you actually live in Bavaria, Black&German? I think the FSSP priests here, many of them trained in that part of the world, have brought a custom of marking the lintel of the front door like this: 20+M+B+C+10, for example, at Epiphany. Do they do this in your part of the world?
Or maybe you are now living in America. I am not too clear.
Anyway, we are celebrating Australia Day today, 26 January (check out Google for the picture). It is over 85 degrees Fahrenheit already, and there are kookaburras (Australian native birds) singing outside.
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No, I was just born and raised there and lived there most of my life. I live in the USA now. It’s confusing, I know.
They did the markings above the door where I’m from. The Sternsänger would come around to do it, dressed as the 3 kings.
Congratulations on Australia Day!
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Thanks, Black&German. I have to do my own markings above the door. I use blessed epiphany chalk. I like this pious custom, but it is new to Australia.
Now I have to look up “Sternsanger”.
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Black&German – (sigh) No again. I pointed at no one. It was a sweeping statement, crafted to provoke thought. My point being, that if the SH does not clearly define what it is, then it clearly doesn’t define what its not either. But, your tender underbelly is noted(Rolls eyes).
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Gents, I read and post at a few other MRA-type sites. I’ve noticed a pattern.
When racists show up, they tend to soft-peddle their views at first and then gradually reveal their true colors. They cause trouble and eventually either the mods have to ban the racists or minority-member posters get fed up and stop posting and reading the site.
I am not accusing anyone here of racism. So far, I haven’t read anything terrible [or even moderately bothersome] here regarding race.
My point is that we simply don’t want to attract the attention of hardcore racists. They are net liabilities for any site that cultivates intelligent and civil discussion and eschews irrationality. If racists notice increased traffic on their websites coming from hyperlinks posted here, then they’ll sneak in and try to draw more traffic by posting softcore racist stuff here.
Why should we invite troublemakers here?
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Zel,
Oh okay. I actually sat reading your statement over and over trying to figure out what you meant.
Nemo,
That’s a good point.
Although it’s not fair to assume that all racists are stupid, uncivil, or irrational. Just because I think they’re wrong doesn’t mean that I think they’re wrong, if you know what I mean. They’d be easy prey if they were all idiots. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.
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Who is “we,” Nemo?
No aggressive intent, but a lot of MRAs seem to speak in terms of what “we” should do. I’m not entirely sure that “we” have all agreed that we share the same goals. As Welmer said above, there are common themes and certain problems many of us agree on.
Your concerns would be highly relevant and completely understandable for an activist organization or even a message board. But comments are just “comments.”
They don’t really even represent the larger body of readers. The Spearhead probably has 100 or so regular commenters. A hardcore group of, what, 20-40? We get thousands of readers a day.
As long as The Spearhead produces provocative (and sometimes controversial) content, it will continue to draw readers. If all of its writers say the same thing, it will quickly become stale and no one will care.
In fact, I look forward to a day when the comments become the long string of garbage that most people don’t even read–like when I read an article in the MSM. I don’t care what 200 random malcontents think of some article on, say, The Atlantic or WSJ.
“As long as The Spearhead produces provocative (and sometimes controversial) content, it will continue to draw readers. If all of its writers say the same thing, it will quickly become stale and no one will care.”
Well said.
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“zel” sure gets all upset about links to scary “white” “supremacist” sites like OD. Why is that, “zel”?
I’m sure it’s because “zel” is such a non-racist, consistent lover of all human beings, being that his is so morally “anti-racist” and above the rest of us.
“Zel” tell us about your pro-Palestinian rights activism? I’m sure you are fighting hard against the racist Zionists, amirite?
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Yes fedrz, this issue is at base about racial demographics. I am sympathetic to pro-White views, though I am not at all an insanely violent racist — in fact, I am a respectable, reasonable, and educated man.
Regarding general racial demographics, let me explain the basics. At the beginning of the 20th Century people of White/European descent were about 25-30% of the world’s population, which was a large and comfortable number. Now, at the beginning of the 21st Century people of White/European racial descent are only about 10-12% of the world’s overall population and still declining rapidly relative to other ethnic and racial groups. There are actually more White people on Earth than ever before, it is just that non-White racial groups have increased by an incredible amount in the last few decades (by many BILLIONS, often by using Western-invented medical, agricultural, and technological advances).
By mid-century (about 2050) people of White/European descent are expected to be only about 7-8% of the world’s overall population (or even less…5%?). It is expected that by about 2050 White people will drop below 50% of America’s population, for instance — in many American urban areas Whites are already in the minority; I expect that Seattle (Welmer’s city) will become majority Asian before 2050 as will many other West Coast cities (just as some American cities are already majority Hispanic, or majority Black , etc). Other ‘White nations’ in Europe and elsewhere face similar issues.
Now, all of the above wouldn’t be such a problem if non-White immigrants of all different races/ethnicities were not continually immigrating in to what are usually defined as ‘White nations’ (including the USA, Canada, large parts of Europe, Australia/NZ, etc etc) by the millions or even tens of millions; those non-White immigrants often (but not always, of course) take advantage of our generous welfare and child-support systems to have a lot of children at the expense of White taxpayers. So eventually the much more fecund non-White racial and ethnic groups will displace the native White populations: this is occurring right now in fact. I am not intrinsically against non-White racial groups at all or ‘racist’ and hateful toward them in any way, I just do not want them constantly immigrating in to our nations so that eventually White people will become a racial minority in their own countries (again, this is on track to happen within about 50-100 years in numerous ‘White nations’ if current trends continue).
So at base, this is a serious demographic issue and by extension (around 50 to 100 years from now or so) the issue may actually come down to the general long-term and permanent racial survival of the White/European race. What do you think a world composed of only about 5% White people or less would look like? Do you think it would it be better or worse than the world as it stands now?
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nemo:”Why should we invite troublemakers here?”
Uh oh, we sure gotta watch out for them darn “troublemakers”!
Didn’t the British say the same thing about Washington, Paine, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, etc? Weren’t they “troublemakers” too?
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Almost as though the kids were born with a bong in one hand and a bottle of moonshine in the other. You combine that with chainsaws and commercial fishing equipment and it’s no wonder so many severed feet were washing ashore in BC. — Welmer
Feet are for pussies. Real men don’t need feet to smoke weed or drink a bottle of Loud-Mouth. Nor catch fish, for that matter.
In fact, true story, I know a guy who lost his legs in a train accident, and had prostetics – and he was a pretty damn good snowmobiler yet, and he always rode his machine wearing shorts. Lol! He always got a lot of stares when he pulled up to the cabin.
Alaskans! They need feet.
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Feet are for pussies. Real men don’t need feet to smoke weed or drink a bottle of Loud-Mouth. Nor catch fish, for that matter.
Or eat a sandwich.
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Lol! Get Real, here’s a sandwich for you to pester the R & R sisters with.
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OD Reader – I am currently unavailable for the appropriate response, to your childish post… as I am deep in my pseudo Zen like state.
Love and kisses
zel
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Found this on another blog and thought it was interesting:
Nachdem sie den Mann verteufelt, geschwächt und entnervt hat, wird die westliche Frau wohl noch hinreichend Gelegenheit für die Feststellung bekommen, dass sie auch keinen Verteidiger mehr besitzt.
meaning -
http://nabunker.blogspot.com/2010/01/quote-for-whiskey.html
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Ah, so now we separate the wheat from the chaff.
(Forgive me, I can be a little dense at times.)
I have a few questions to make sure I’m on the right track:
1. So is all this anti-feminism stuff merely about white mens’ fear
of genetic annihilation (whether by accident or on purpose)?
2. Is it because white women refuse to behave and
bear children/raise families?
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Those questions are HIGHLY subjective.
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Demographic Winter – the decline of the human family
http://www.demographicwinter.com/
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John Nada –
My take on it is that what is happening to white people could happen to any race or society that embraces feminism. It’s a dead end for any civilization, because feminists societies devalue marriage and family and promote “the pursuit of happiness” above all. Feminist societies can’t maintain their replacement numbers, and will generally be outbred by neighbors with more family-oriented patriarchal cultures. You can only claim land you can hold. You can only hold land if you have enough people. If you don’t, your culture, your heritage, your history, your family line…all of it disappears. Or is “re-interpreted” by others after you are gone.
What’s happening to white people is actually one of the strongest arguments against feminism there is. If we’re allowed to talk about it.
Only in modern PC bizzarro land is it not OK for a man to be concerned that his people are dying out.
If I were to say, hypothetically, “It shouldn’t matter if Jews die out and their culture disappears into history. They had a good run. In fact, it might be better for everyone if they were gone.”
Can you imagine the shitstorm?
Same for blacks. Latinos. Asians. Whatever.
To say the same about any of these groups would be, if you’ll excuse the pun, completely beyond the pale.
If you can’t see the double standard there, you’re ignoring it intentionally.
zel,
Despite your previous comments, thanks for the link. I’ve read a few books on the topic already, but this is something I should be familiar with. I’ll probably review it for another site.
Jack – You’re most welcome. I thought your post at 21:46 was spot on. Very well outlined, precise. Here, we are most assuredly in agreeance.
Unlike myself, I find, you articulate yourself very well.
With regards to my previous comments, meh! I have no problem with you Jack Donovan. I look forward to your review.
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Hmmm, I disagree. Otherwise, white pride wouldn’t worry so much about the end effects. What do I mean?
I mean if non-white matriarchal societies have existed then been dominated by non-white patriarchal ones well now the society may change, but the race remains the same. Not the case with the demographic winter whites face today. From a purely phenotypic standpoint, once you’re gone, you’re gone.
Which is why I asked the question: “Is anti-feminism the result of white men’s fear of genetic annihilation?”
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Disappears? Not quite. Re-interpreted, most definitely. Culture and customs, etc. are dynamic, not static. They are supposed to change and be “re-interpreted”. It’s called evolution. Besides, although he has not (yet?) held public office, I see no fundamental difference between non-white George P. Bush, his uncle W, nor his grandfather POTUS 41. They’re all as “American” as apple pie, no? Shared culture, morality, values etc. even though he’d look like any other Mexican in East L.A. in sunglasses, a wife-beater and khakis.
My offspring here in South America will be just as North American as I am, albeit with the filter of their environment and life experiences. That is to say, quoting investment tycoon Doug Casey, America is an idea, not a country. America is a state of mind.
But that doesn’t answer my question.
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You lost me here. I never mentioned anything about censorship or
stifling the discourse. On the contrary, I enjoy the conversation.
I will say that I could care less about the social construct
of ‘race’. It has no more significance than eye color.
However, I realize that there needs to be a serious discussion about the future of white/non-white relations in regards to this very real demographic problem we face as human beings. Anything less would be uncivilized.
But first things first.
What I do care about is defeating Entitlement Materialist Feminism and had I limited myself to my “race”, culture or even my geographic location I never would’ve had the moxie to go forth like the Pioneers and start a colony of feminism-free like-minded men.
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“America is an idea, not a country. America is a state of mind.”
This is the spirit of language ideologies.
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Yup.
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There is also nowhere to go!
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That was a joke, right?
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“America is an idea, not a country. America is a state of mind.â€
I’m not sure this is entirely true, John.
Of course, to a certain extent it is, but to say that America is only this seems a little too simple for me.
America is also a set of laws, formed as Constitutional Republic. It also has a culture that unites its people. And, it also has a geographic location that helps to form its identity. It is a common history of a group of peoples, and a shared future. Its culture is helped to be formed by a shared language. It is a common general religion, that has created a common set of values.
And it is uniquely called America.
Not Canada, Australia, Britain, or India or China – all of whom have similar things unique to themselves that make them.
I, for example, don’t want to be American. Never have. I’d rather be Canadian. I identify with my geography, our traditions, and our history etc. etc.
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Also, since “America” as an idea, is largely formed by the ideas of John Locke – of which many were taken directly from the Bible, would America as an “idea” continue to exist if 2/3 of the people no longer followed the general moral values of the Bible, but rather started following another religion which created a new set of values amongst the majority of its people?
As well, whether we like it or not – race does matter to people. People do form pockets within the larger culture according to race. We may not like it, nor even fully understand it, but it happens over and over in both modern society and throughout world history. For example, it is my understanding that affluent Blacks in America would prefer to live in affluent communities made up of other blacks, and, I see this here in Canada and in my city of Vancouver. The Chinese that here are not poor, and yet somehow magically all seem to come together – by the hundreds of thousands – into the community of Richmond, which has some of the most expensive real estate in Canada. The East Indians have come together by the hundreds of thousands in the community of Surrey, which is also not cheap – I can’t afford Real Estate there. These people have the freedom to live anywhere they please, and what they please is to form communities with their own kind – where they identify further beyond even, beyond race, with shared religious beliefs, language, and a shared history & have common interests.
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Also, language plays an enormous part on “identity.”
Take my family, for example. We are of Dutch descent, and my parents immigrated to Canada over 50 years ago already. They love to speak Dutch, and quite often still seek out other Dutch people to speak Dutch with. Also, several Dutch traditions and also traditional foods have trickled down through to my generation. But even more so than being Dutch, my parents come from a province in Holland called Friesland – inventors of the famous dairy cow, the black & white Friesian Holstein. They have their own language that is separate from Dutch. Friesland does not have a lot of people, only about a half a million people – and it once was its own country/State – I think around 600 or 700 years ago. Many Friesians cannot read or write Friesian – my Mom can a bit, but my Dad couldn’t, because when they go to school they are educated in Dutch. But they all speak it. And they love to speak it – and they have stubbornly hung onto their old language come hell or high water. It drives other Dutch people nuts when two Friesians get together, because out comes the language, no matter the protests from others. When I lived in Holland, the people I would meet would find out I was from Canada – Cool! And they would find out my parents were originally from Holland, and then when they heard my last name… the eyes would roll in disgust and then, “You’re a Friesian!” LOL! Yup! Even here in Canada, I know of a few Friesian dairy farmers, and hanging on the barn is the Frisian Flag. Yo!
Hundreds and hundreds of years, and they are still stubbornly hanging on. Wooden Shoes, Wooden Head, Wouldn’t Listen!
We have the same thing here in Canada between the French and the English. This place was founded by both France and England, it was eventually settled on the Plains of Abraham, giving control of Canada to the English. But 250 years later, because of different languages and histories, there are distinct differences between the French and the English in Canada – cultures, as it were. The laws and ideas are essentially the same. And, get a few francophones together out here in the West, and even though they all might speak fluent English, here comes the French! I have to stop them all the time – “Hey, I struggle with French! Speak English!” Lol! It must be that thing called Karma, taking revenge upon me for the sins of my Friesian ancestors, irritating the hell out of the Dutch people for centuries.
I think there is much more to these things than just ideas/ideologies.
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Fedrz,
That’s easy to explain. Blood is thicker than water.
I wrote a post on my extended family last night. When we moved here, we did the same as every other immigrant: we moved close to our ethnic kin, our relatives. My relations are very diverse racially, but we’re all cut from a similar ethnic and cultural mold. In our modern world, ethnicity trumps race. You can join someone else’s ethnicity (culture, religion, language, traditions, etc.), but you can’t join their race (a pseudo-biological construct).
When I moved to Germany as a teenage, I did the same. I didn’t move to Hamburg or Berlin. Rather, I sought out the cities where my relatives are. When some of our German relatives moved here, they called us up and asked us about the area where we live, and moved here as well. This is normal and has happened with all immigrant groups, we only notice now because those groups are so different visually.
Which is why I asked the question: “Is anti-feminism the result of white men’s fear of genetic annihilation?â€
That seems to me to be a valid fear. One reason that black people are so pro-life is because abortion has been used to hollow out our middle, upper, and working classes. We’re watching our political power wane in the face of a quickly multiplying Latino demographic.
Is this racist? Sure, it’s racist (actually, it’s xenophobic). But it’s also a completely natural fear, and not one to be mocked. The interest in propagating one’s genes and culture, either through one’s own efforts (marriage, conversion, assimilation), or through the reproduction of one’s kin (which race is a rough proxy for) is — barring religious beliefs — the only reason we are here.
Ridiculing that fear is the domain of secularists who don’t give a darn about genetic legacy or the afterlife. You notice that minorities and religious groups don’t ridicule the fear, as we keenly feel it ourselves. What you will sometimes get from them is a sneer that anyone else should care if white people die out. Many people think it would be an improvement (and take the feminists and atheists with you when you go, please).
Not myself, obviously. But, from a purely genetic viewpoint, I’ve hitched myself to a dying horse. Since I married a Bavarian, I’ve bought a stake in the future of the Bavarian people. What is the point of our maintaining the traditions if there’s nobody left to share them with? It’s already the case that when you go to a festival in Germany, most people are middle-aged or older. It is, frankly, depressing.
It’s very strange to have a people die out and have nobody notice or care. Truly the sign of a dying civilization. Not only are they dying out, they’re celebrating that fact, and rewriting the history books themselves. Partying themselves into genetic oblivion. It is truly sad.
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“Hundreds and hundreds of years, and they are still stubbornly hanging on. Wooden Shoes, Wooden Head, Wouldn’t Listen! ” Lol!
My hubby grew up on a farm with Friesian cows.
Thanks for the interesting background info Fed.
Hubby and I were under the (wrong) impression that the breed had originated from the U.K.
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Funny that you should mention Friesland, as I also mentioned them in my comment above. What is the chance of them being mentioned twice in one thread?
My husband has a Bavarian flag, but we haven’t put up the flag pole yet. Waiting for when we redo the landscaping.
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This. Fedrz, I recommend you read “Language and Borders” by B. Urciuoli as a starting point. Welmer wants to keep The Spearhead from getting too lost in the racism forest, so the post I was planning on will likely end up on my personal blog, but that piece will play a critical role in my post. Some quotes:
“The phrase “language and borders” suggests that language differences signify categories of person defined by ethnic or national origin and that these categories are opposed to each other. People act in ways that are taken as “having” a language, which is equated to “belonging” to an origin group. Borders emerge in specific contexts as a metonymy of person, language, and origin category. This metonymy can be fleeting or quite rigid and in varying degrees politicized.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“…The sense of a compendious language emerges when people perform it. Social actors bring into being a sense of boundedness, which may also map onto a border.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“…Prosidics and accents…are key in the perception of ethnic and race boundaries that thread their way through ordinary situations and that have real-world consequences for people’s social options.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
The way a person sounds as they speak serve as “indexes of stereotypic personality and character traits.” “In their investigations, respondents were found more likely to react pejoratively to an accented speaker heard as lower class than an accented speaker heard as middle class. Employment decisions were found to be affected by speakers’ perceived ethnicity. Ethnicity was assigned to a speaker on the basis of the speaker’s perceived performance. Respondents judged speakers as hypothetical cultural actors in terms of both ethnicity and character and thus oriented themselves to speakers along axes of status and solidarity.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“What does exist, in any society, is the fact of linguistic variation from which people deploy language forms in acts of identity. From such acts, people’s sense of community, group, and language emerge in specific places and times.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“Puristic policies demarcate boundaries via legal mechanisms to keep out ‘foreign’ elements and, indeed, to define foreignness. Language is seen as social action and symbolic resource, creatively indexing social distinctions within a society. Issues examined include control of key domains, especially education and law; overt or covert ideologization of linguistic elements; the breaking up of older networks and redefinition of ethnicity; the incongruity of policy and practice and the difficulties of rationalizing and controlling outcomes; and the problem of getting speakers to think of themselves as members of a nation.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“Boundedness may be created by those in power exercising ‘elite closure’ through use of elite language and through people with no power saying in effect that if they cannot fit in, they will draw linguistic lines explaining who they really are. Because literacization is key in making respectable what lies within the boundaries, selecting orthnographies to represent the ‘right’ (and least deviant-seeming) version of the language can be politically fraught. Issues of literacization and of language and education shape the power dimension emergent in English pragmatics and therefore reinforce boundedness in a range of cultural situations.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“Native Americans have been particularly affected by English boundedness. [One expert] documents the tight controls that reservation boarding schools placed not only on English but on all ‘deviant’ Indian behavior, in which process ‘Indian English’ formed.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“The emergence of boundedness in school, service encounters, and work-sites brings into focus the intersection of the macro- and the micro-level of sociopolitical structure as actors play out culturally stereotyped personae. Actors use that knowledge strategically, taking into account how discourse organization feeds stereotypes. The legal arena is a place of particular risk in this regard, as actors may be erased through a privileging of reference, in the ways in which minority defendants’ testimony is construed by legal authorities, in the privileging of court interpreters’ phrasing over that of the witness, and in the ways that people with accents are, in the face of job discrimination, held legally responsible for getting rid of such ‘obscuring’ language features.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“The Spanish-English contrast, mapped onto class and race differences, emerges whenever public institutions bear on private concerns (e.g. in dealing with public documents) or whenever people have to negotiate across power relations (e.g. talking to a doctor). Schools are a frequent site for this emergence…The class and race differences that are mapped onto language are reproduced in the practicse and performances that make up students’ experience.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“The isomorphism between English-American and non-English-un-American has had a long gestation, although it was not ideologized in the earliest decades of US history. By the 1870s, the English border was being legally wrapped around potentially disruptive gropus, beginning with policies aimed at eliminating Native American languages. By 1906, US naturalization law required new citizens to speak English. Anti-immigrant-language sentiment grew as the immigrant population grew, culminating in English only laws ca 1930, particularly anti-German laws during World War 1. The primary targets of English-only sentiment in the past two decades have been Spanish-speakers, particularly Mexican, Central American, and Caribbean. Public perceptions of English and Spanish are informed by a zero-sum metaphor: The greater the public presence of Spanish, the greater the threat to English. The image of English endangered by irrational demands informs the way questions are asked in English-only polls and the phrasing of ballot initiatives.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
“…In the United States, accented second-language speakers may face job discrimination because of language traits and find themselves without legal recourse in a system that privileges a “pure, natural” English defined entirely in referential terms. The process through which English becomes such a social fact are erased, and the sense of boundedness is reinforced…Borders are places where commonality ends abruptly; border-making language elements stand for and performatively bring into being such places.” (Urciuoli, 1995)
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Funny that you should mention Friesland, as I also mentioned them in my comment above. What is the chance of them being mentioned twice in one thread? — B&G
Heh, I read that comment when you posted it, and somehow my eyes skipped right over that word.
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This is something what I mean about these types of discussions invariably get thrown out of kilter because of the Black & White problem in America.
Blacks in America have been severed from their past, due to the slavery aspect – not to mention all of the bad feelings that erupt from it. But this is something that is American. And it should be noted, that since Blacks were severed, they adopted the prevailing culture in the form of language, religion, geographic identity, belief in the legal system and so on. They are Americans, and culturally share many things with the whites in America. There is a mess in America, and I am not by any means an expert on it, and try to avoid getting dragged into it, because I have no business talking about it.
But Multi-Culturalism is different.
Zed made a comment on some other thread here the other day, about how the Aztecs got just slaughtered by the Spanish Conquistadors. The Aztecs, culturally, had no concept of something called war – they were cannibals, and so while the Conquistadors were fighting to slaughter the Aztecs, the Aztecs were hunting for dinner. They had no concept of killing for the sake of killing, and didn’t stand a chance against a standing army. Hunting and battle are entirely different.
This is what is going on with Multi-Culturalism.
Us, from a Christian heritage, have a different set of moral values than those of different cultures. Blacks in America, share many of those same values.
For example, it is pretty common in the predominantly white culture of Christendom, at least in the modern day, to believe that we should not discriminate.
But what happens then, when we encourage, say, East Indian culture into our culture? Don’t forget, they operate on the caste system at a cultural level. And what is the caste system other than blatant discrimination?
So, we have a system here, that follows our values, and our laws are set up to reflect our over-riding cultural values. We don’t really conceive that other cultures willingly discriminate.
And so, we invite them to live within our culture, and not only that, we encourage them to maintain their systems and beliefs through the canards of “diversity” and “Multiculturalism.” And they do. Because we ask them to! But, our laws are based upon our system, and leave us as sitting ducks when we invite others to maintain their cultures within our system. It is foreign for us to do things their way, but because our laws are designed to protect us within our system, rather then theirs, we haven’t got a snowball’s chance in hell! We are just like the Aztecs, not understanding wtf is going on! And that is separate from the Black/White issues of the USA.
This stuff is not historically foreign – it has been purposefully forgotten/ignored.
In America, or Canada, & Australia & New Zealand too, I imagine, we have always sought immigrants from similar backgrounds to us. We sought predominantly people from Europe, who shared our general religious values/moral values, race, and so on. And it was acknowledged that there were still things like language, and history, and tradition, that separated even these people from the predominant culture they were immigrating into. That is why there has always been limited immigration – because even with so many commonalities, the differences caused strife – see the Irish. So, they restricted how many people could come in from certain backgrounds at a time, as they “melted into the pot” and became Americans, or Canadians, or whatnot. They wanted immigrants, for sure, but they were not so foolish to allow gajillions of them in all at the same time. You can melt icecubes by dropping them into your soup, but if you drop too much ice into the soup at once, you will freeze the soup!
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Crap!
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fedrz:”I see this here in Canada and in my city of Vancouver.”
So you live in Vancouver fedrz? I have always wanted to visit British Columbia — I’ve heard and read that it is a very beautiful province.
Anyhow, your city of Vancouver is a great test case of the demographic issues currently beginning to emerge very strongly in some nations with a White/European majority and especially in many large cities within those nations.
The Canadian city of Vancouver, for instance, has already tipped above 1/2 non-White, meaning it was probably the first Canadian city to become majority non-White. In another 25-50 years (assuming current population trends continue) Vancouver will eventually become 75% non-White, and then even more than that.
Now, imagine about 50-100 years from now and extrapolate those trends out in to the future…what is happening now in Vancouver, Los Angeles, Seattle, and numerous other cities will start to also happen (assuming current trends continue) to city after city in the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, and so on.
I honestly ask the White people here — do you think that these trends are a good thing?
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Here is a link to the relevant data – http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=417736
“Visible minorities the new majority”
- ‘Caucasians a minority in growing number of communities’
MONTREAL — The made-in-Canada term “visible minority” has come under fire for various reasons, most recently by a United Nations body that last year found it racially insensitive.
A more persuasive argument for retiring the phrase comes in the latest census data released Wednesday: In a growing number of Canadian communities in Ontario and British Columbia, it is the Caucasians who are a minority.
In Markham, Ont., and Richmond, B.C., 65% of residents are so-called visible minorities. In Brampton, Ont., the figure is 57%; in Burnaby, B.C., 55%; and in Vancouver, 51%. Toronto is not far behind at 47%. …
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Again, if this is already happening in many Western cities, just imagine how much the trend will continue to accelerate in the coming decades.
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I understand what you’re saying, but I disagree. Case in point: did America stop being America with the expansion of the colonies at the Louisiana Purchase? Or with the annexation of its only monarchy, the Kingdom Of Hawaii? What about Alaska, Puerto Rico, Texas, etc? Obviously not, but those were significant changes to the country in physical, political, economic and cultural geography.
Yet the IDEA of America–that fiercely independent can-do attitude, gumption and ingenuity marked indelibly on the culture remained the same. Hell, even Saddam Hussein referred to W as “American Cowboy”–and everyone knew exactly to what he referred. THAT is what makes America, America. Not a set of codified laws (although I firmly believe the U.S. Constitution is the greatest document ever written).
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Absolutely. Wherein lies the conflict? That Lockean ideal of the autonomous individual allows for the ebb and flow of a country built on immigration (both forced and voluntary). That (gasp!) unity through diversity allows for a transformation of an America that will not be WASP in the future. Same holds true for Europe. This is due in no small part to immigration but more importantly, to plummeting white fertility and by extension Entitlement Feminism.
Which leads me back to my original question: is anti-feminism about white mens’ fear of genetic annihilation?
Surely that state of mind quote oversimplifies things a bit but when it comes to America (especially with the sick, anti-male climate that exists today) I’ll stick to it and that old maxim nevertheless: “Home is where the heart is.”
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John Nada –
The short answer is “no.” I think most anti-feminism on this site comes from men who have experienced some sort of unfairness as a result of feminism, or who are confused about their role in society because they are getting a lot of mixed messages.
We’re dealing, in part, with the MTV generation that was trained to pretend not to see race, so for many the discussion of a dying race is beyond the pale.
The demographic winter scenario is something I’ve become aware of in the past few years. I knew feminists were lying, and that gender was more than a construct–that there were real sex differences and a basic human nature. Only recently have I realized that the end result of their lies is ultimately civilizational collapse–though several here would argue (and they’d be at least partially correct in my view) that feminism is a symptom, not a cause.
RE: The “America is an idea” thesis…
That’s nonsense, at least to a point. I think the Roman Empire was pretty awesome, and it endures as an “idea” to some extent, but there are no more citizens of the Roman Empire. It’s a dead culture that lives on as “history” that can inspire, sure, but it’s still a dead culture.
The America thing is basically a Ship of Theseus discussion.
Case in point: did America stop being America with the expansion of the colonies at the Louisiana Purchase?
What was out there at the time? Cities? Roadworks? Railways? What types of infrastructure? It was wilderness.
Or with the annexation of its only monarchy, the Kingdom Of Hawaii?
I suspect people like Hawaiian Libertarian still identify very much with his heritage, whether he considers himself American first, or Hawaiian first, I cannot answer. But he obviously identifies with the language, he identifies with the culture, and so on. And he is, rightly, proud of it.
What about Alaska, Puerto Rico, Texas, etc?
Alaska was certainly wilderness. There was very little “culture” there at all, save but for the Indians. There was a reason the Russians unloaded it. And, there was a reason it was called “Seward’s Folly.”
I understand that Puerto Rico feels rather resentful – but, I am not expert on that.
Texas was again, Americans seizing territory – and difficult territory at that, back then. Albeit, they were trying, and succeeded to form a new country.
Obviously not, but those were significant changes to the country in physical, political, economic and cultural geography.
They were all in line with the American theme of Manifest Destiny. Something which you appear to culturally identify with and something which is still present in American culture – the belief that everyone wants to be like them, and that it is their right to make it so.
Are you aware that my entire country exists as a response to America’s Manifest Destiny? We are founded on anti-Americanism. For example: The French agreed to the Louisiana Purchase as an attempt to stick it to the British. The War of 1812 started with attempts to seize Canadian Territory. In 1867, the British made Canada into a country (a Dominion) as a political move to make it more politically unacceptable to attack Canada, because after the Civil War ended, the War Hawks were grumbling that they needed to start another war.
After Alaska was purchased in 1867, there was great fear that the Americans would try to annex my province of British Columbia – which was largely empty, save but for the separate colony of Vancouver Island – and the telegraph trail which was attempting to reach Europe by way of Russia, (but they lost out to the East). In response to the purchase of Alaska, BC joined Canada under the Articles of Confederation in 1871. we pushed through the Transcontinental Railroad to solidify that it was our turf, and America had no business here.
We still have this attitude – although we like Americans, we are pretty fierce in not being Americans. Not being American is a significant part of Canadian culture. Actually, it is something which unifies us from Coast to Coast.
Yet the IDEA of America–that fiercely independent can-do attitude, gumption and ingenuity marked indelibly on the culture remained the same. Hell, even Saddam Hussein referred to W as “American Cowboyâ€â€“and everyone knew exactly to what he referred. THAT is what makes America, America.
America was not the only one that had a fiercely independent can-do attitude, gumption and ingenuity. Canada was arguably just as hard, or harder to do things in – frozen mitts and all. Cowboys are not specific to America, except through Hollywood – Alberta is still chuck full of cowboys, they have been since the beginning, and they are fiercely proud of it. The Mounties were formed to police the West in much the same way that America had its famous marshalls, or Texas Rangers. I would argue that Australia probably identifies with a can-do attitude as well, what with wrassling crocodiles and all. Plus, they had something similar to cowboys too!
Hollywood and America’s inward looking eyes have made Americans think they were the only ones who had these traits.
Let me ask you, John, do you believe you have the right to impose America on Colombia? Or do you think you should adapt to Colombia’s laws, customs… and, what language do you speak when you go about your business?
I think Colombia has the right to be Colombia, not America. You are in their house, and you must live accordingly to their rules. The only place where your rules ought to apply, is at consulates and embassies – or in America itself.
I think that this American, not white, attitude, is one of the things that has caused so much resentment of Americans – the failure to realize that not everyone wants to be Americans. If they did, they could move to… America! If you want to live like an American, you should do it in America. I might expat some day too – but when I do, I will be leaving Canada behind me, and adapting to a new culture. I might still take delight in the tradition of spinning yarns about Canada, but where-ever I go, I will be adapting to them, not asking them to adapt to me. I will learn their language, and respect and join in with their customs and traditions. My children would become them. They would not be encouraged to maintain a separate identity, except in the more trivial ways of knowing one’s roots.
Absolutely. Wherein lies the conflict? That Lockean ideal of the autonomous individual allows for the ebb and flow of a country built on immigration (both forced and voluntary). That (gasp!) unity through diversity allows for a transformation of an America that will not be WASP in the future.
It won’t stay with that Lockean ideal for long if say, 300 Million Asians moved into America and dismantled it, demanding to live by their religious and cultural values. Hitler too, btw, enslaved people by using the “tools of democracy.” Surely you are aware that we are not allowed to pray in our schools, have Christmas trees in our government buildings, preach against homosexuality from churches, and so on here in Canada, and yet, we are not permitted to deny people with turbans from becoming Mounties, nor are we allowed to ask Sikhs to remove their traditional knives/swords from their person (and would be illegal for anyone else), becuase of their religious beliefs?
Which leads me back to my original question: is anti-feminism about white mens’ fear of genetic annihilation?
I think this is a gross question, John. And with respect, I would expect you to be angry if someone asked such a thing of your race. I find Margaret Sanger to be filth, don’t you? Do you find her repugnant? I do. I do not speak for anti-feminism. Most people know I am as much, if not more, about Marxism and its tools, including feminism and how it is destroying MY culture – which is predominantly white. And like I said… anyone who wants me to cheer my cultural and racial death… wow! Think about that for a moment.
“Home is where the heart is.â€
If you want to live in my home, you have to follow my rules.
When I go to live in your home, I will live by your rules.
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By the way, also I would like to point out, Canada does not specifically have “Separation of Church and State.”
In fact, we live in a Constitutional Monarchy, and our Official Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II – Queen of Canada. She is also a religious leader, as she is the Head of the Church of England, and that is in direct opposition to the American idea of Separation of Church and State.
Our Articles of Confederation, and many of our documents refer to God etc. This place is supposed to be Christian, and based on Christianity. Although, we do put forth Freedom of Religion.
So why is Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhs and every other religion put forth as such a boon to Canadian Culture, which has always been Christian, and expressly so, right from the start, yet Christians are fearful in their own house?
It’s about time we stand up and be heard.
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If it wasn’t a joke – where would you go to form a new society?
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Ship of Theseus. I’ve learned something new today. Interesting link. Yes, that’s the core of the debate. If everybody in the US (or a different Western country) is a Muslim, learns Arabic and Spanish in school, and the courts use sharia rather than the Bible as their legal basis, is it still Western culture? In my opinion, no. Are we Romans because we have (had) a republic, build roads, and speak a language with Latin roots?
Us, from a Christian heritage, have a different set of moral values than those of different cultures. Blacks in America, share many of those same values.
This is why white supremacists are basically shooting themselves in the foot. The idea that we black people are the greatest threat to their civilization is completely bogus, because we share their civilization and have arguably contributed to a large portion of it. We have the same language, religion, clothing, education systems, political parties, ideas about the rule of law, sports, music, etc. The cultural split is not black/white, it’s liberal/conservative or secular/traditional or foreign/domestic.
Rather than being insular, black people are rather obsessed with white people. What they think, what they say, what they do, where they go, etc. Perhaps because so many of us have white relatives, ancestors, and friends that it’s hard for us to let go and turn our backs and pretend like they’re not there. We’ve bought into the system, genetically speaking, even if the purchase wasn’t always willing. Unlike East Indians, Asians, and even immigrant Africans, we have no other “cultural homeland”. This is it for us. Black bitterness and anger is not based on the idea that we want to take over or leave (which is why we bristle at the “go home” nonsense), but rather that we’d like to integrate and have been barred from doing so merely because of our appearance. We have no where else to go and the people here don’t want us either. Of course we’re angry! Wouldn’t you be angry?
As you note, our ties with Africa are merely symbolic and sentimental, but have no practical day-to-day value. I couldn’t even tell you what part of Africa my relatives came from 200 years ago. It’s completely meaningless to me. My father’s family history begins on a boat in the Atlantic and everything before that is a nebulous cloud. Our culture isn’t Africans living in huts and practicing tribal rituals, it’s: barbeque and beer, listening to Luther Vandross and Whitney Houston on the radio, sweet potato pie and collard greens, Jackie Robinson, jazz and the blues, red beans and rice, the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins, Martin Luther King Jr., the Kennedys, and attending church in very nice clothes with fabulous hats. (Okay, Welmer, you finally got me to talk about black culture.)
Yet the IDEA of America–that fiercely independent can-do attitude, gumption and ingenuity marked indelibly on the culture remained the same.
It was Christian libertarianism and it’s the only section of the populous that is growing, as it is the only ideology that is self-sustaining.
Wherein lies the conflict? That Lockean ideal of the autonomous individual allows for the ebb and flow of a country built on immigration (both forced and voluntary).
The conflict is that it only works if the newcomers also buy into the Lockean ideal or the original citizens maintain a super-majority. If they decide to bide their time, reach a critical mass, and then work to change the system, you can take your Lockean ideal and shove it.
What about Alaska, Puerto Rico, Texas, etc?
I lived in Texas and many of my friends and my brother-in-law are PR, so I think I can address this one.
Most Texans think of themselves as Texans (or even Mexicans) first, Americans second. Bavarians think of themselves as Bavarians first, Germans second. Ditto with PR.
That’s why there are strong subsidiarity movements in those states. They see America as a valuable alliance, but will resent an infringement on their state’s rights. You will notice that the tea-party and other libertarian movements are strongest in states with a strong regional identity (and the associated high birth rate).
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Fedrz,
Interesting overview of Canadian history. I didn’t know about all that.
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Unlike East Indians, Asians, and even immigrant Africans, we have no other “cultural homelandâ€. This is it for us. Black bitterness and anger is not based on the idea that we want to take over or leave (which is why we bristle at the “go home†nonsense), but rather that we’d like to integrate and have been barred from doing so merely because of our appearance. We have no where else to go and the people here don’t want us either. Of course we’re angry! Wouldn’t you be angry? — B&G
See, this is my point.
Now, some people might find it offensive that I said that to a troll on another thread.
But, let’s make it clear.
I said that to an East Indian, who was saying over and over that Indians were morally superior to whites and blacks in North America… and insinuated that we are so stupid not to listen to her superior East Indian ways, and adapt here in our culture, to becoming like her culture. Which, btw, has a discriminatory caste system.
And, if someone like that specifically immigrates here, and then tries to impose their racial superiority over us – because she based everything on skin color, saying whites and blacks… when a white person speaks up and says “SHUT UP!” All that is seen is a racist white guy.
And, she does have a homeland… and she chose to abandon it for our better system – I assume – because if it isn’t better, why did she choose to leave that system? Nobody put a gun to her head and forced her to move here, and it’s not like she is prevented from returning home if she thinks we whites and blacks are such lowly people compared to her.
It’s why I keep saying, take the Black & White out of Multiculturalism – because America has made a mess of that situation, and it is entirely different.
And that is American, unless you expect Canadians, who have always been predominantly white to apologize for not having slavery, and if you would also like us to apologize to Black Americans for saying, “See this border? If you can make an underground railroad, and get across this line, you will have your freedom. We will not turn you back! We don’t give a shit what the people in America say.”
Should we apologize for that?
The Black & White problem is an American problem, and as a white guy from Canada, exactly what does anyone think I should feel “White Guilt” about?
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You know, there is an island off the coast of Vancouver Island called Saltspring Island. It is a fairly decent sized island. It’s gorgeous, and in the heart of Lotus Land. You can grow anything there. It rarely snows there. If you were to buy even a shack there today, and I mean a shack, you are looking at the half a million mark.
Do you know who the first settlers were there?
Blacks from America. They came there to start their own colony. There is still a church that they built there, I believe. Eventually, Hawaiians also moved there. And after things freed up, they moved on, dissipated, whatever.
Not every white person, nor predominantly white country, was seeking to keep down the Blacks just because they were white people.
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It’s why I keep saying, take the Black & White out of Multiculturalism – because America has made a mess of that situation, and it is entirely different.
But then you must see the reason why Americans don’t speak out against multiculturalism: most Americans are used to viewing people by solely by race.
There is “white/honorary white” versus “non-white”. So they lump black people together with more recent non-white immigrants and therefore fail to see the problem. They’d consider a recently-immigrated European Muslim convert who’d like to see the imposition of sharia as “one of us”, and a Christian, retired military veteran, black man with a copy of the Declaration of Independence hanging in a frame in his foyer, who sings along and tears up when he hears the National Anthem (my father) as “one of them”.
And then they wonder why black people are permanently pissed off.
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To all Men of Sherwood Forest:
Who makes up (for lack of a better word) “the MRA”?
What is his general demographic?
What characteristics stand out?
What groups gives this demographic problems?
There are your opponents. To include your enemies in your cause is naive; it’s TV fantasy you were brought up on as a kid. There is no A-Team. There are no Transformers. Grow up.
We all see how disruptive it is merely to live in daily peace or have an election.
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But then you must see the reason why Americans don’t speak out against multiculturalism: most Americans are used to viewing people by solely by race. — B&G
My point all along – except, this has gotten so huge, this “the world is better of without whites,” that it is no longer confined to America. And don’t kid yourself, people of different skin colours that immigrate to other places full of whites, fully understand how fearful whites are of sticking up for themselves, that they are able to unscrupulously manipulate our generous system and remove our freedoms. Including Blacks!
This is exactly like the “You Misogynist!” problem. People around the world understand how much whites are loathed, and they easily manipulate and shame us with it, and destroy us with it.
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Seems to me that whites (and middle-class blacks) are destroying themselves by not reproducing. Nobody’s stopping them from making babies, except their own women.
But I agree that non-black non-white people are taking advantage of the “white guilt” that is present in America, and therefore preventing honest debate. It’s disconcerting from a black American (and non-Native American) point of view, because we’re now getting passed over, even in affirmative action, in place of other non-whites such as African and Hispanic immigrants. They come here of their own volition and then stand behind us screaming, “Me too! I’m an oppressed minority, too! Give me a reserved place in Harvard!”
That explains why African immigrants are the most successful minority in America (yeah, they beat EVERYBODY, even the Asians). They have all of the natural advantages of a supportive, middle class environment, and they get to be part of the “black” affirmative action quotas (there aren’t usually quotas for Asians, so they have to qualify on their own merit). But they didn’t come over on a slave ship, they came over on a scholarship.
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Great retorts, Donovan and fedrz–I must come clean. I trolled both of you. However, I do stand by my conviction that America is but a state of mind–Ship of Theseus argument be damned. Had I not, there’s no way I would’ve ever left the states.
But what I wanted to do was to outline some of the arguments that other astute Men like
BlackMenVent may lay out, particularly if they were to come across the Spearhead and some of the links pointing back here. You may say that’s their problem. So be it. But it would certainly benefit all of us to collaborate as much as possible, especially seeing how Blacks have experience as the proverbial “canary in the coal mine” when it comes to Entitlement Materialist Feminism and its ancillary effects.
Me? I got a helluva thick skin. I recognize that the social construct of race exists, but I don’t let it hinder me. I don’t give a damn what color a Man is. When it comes to prejudice and xenophobia, I’m convinced we’ve all got a touch of the bad AIDS.
BMV once posed a question to zed along the lines of what would happen between black men and white men once EMF was defeated. That is to say, would the barriers be re-erected between the two, etc. Very tough question to answer, no?
There are some serious demographic issues that need be addressed. White extinction is a sensitive issue here but dialogues like these have to happen between communities or the suspicion will ever remain (as “gross” or politically incorrect the question may be…)
Bueno amigo mio, esos son mis dos centavos ($0.02).
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””””’My point all along – except, this has gotten so huge, this “the world is better of without whites,†that it is no longer confined to America. And don’t kid yourself, people of different skin colours that immigrate to other places full of whites, fully understand how fearful whites are of sticking up for themselves, that they are able to unscrupulously manipulate our generous system and remove our freedoms. Including Blacks!
This is exactly like the “You Misogynist!†problem. People around the world understand how much whites are loathed, and they easily manipulate and shame us with it, and destroy us with it.
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Naaa when a white man travels he is loathed at all in other parts of the world they haven’t been to america to understand how the game works.
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”””””””’But I agree that non-black non-white people are taking advantage of the “white guilt†that is present in America, and therefore preventing honest debate. It’s disconcerting from a black American (and non-Native American) point of view, because we’re now getting passed over, even in affirmative action, in place of other non-whites such as African and Hispanic immigrants. They come here of their own volition and then stand behind us screaming, “Me too! I’m an oppressed minority, too! Give me a reserved place in Harvard!—”””””””
I mean just the other day I was talking with the husband of my friend about how I used to think about just killing black people en mass to do a favor to society after witnessing scene after scene of black on white crime and hearing about it in the paper. Like the guy who was jumped by like 10 black males and had his face smashed in and a local plastic surgeon volunteered to help put him back together. His crime was riding his bike to work. He was a little loud when talking about how men were being hung and such in slavery times or the 60′s. His wife was like yea but he is talking about how he felt about the reality and what he lived through not what happened years ago. The guy was basically like because of what happened in the 60′s him and his wife were programmed from slavery days as well to not be successful. I was like ok but here is some new programming you and her can work together and save money and buy up some of these houses around here and be well off. Just takes work on your part. I also hooked him up with how to get a job in iraq. It seems the black chicks are very sympathetic to the white mans cause. I mean then they started talking about how back home in dc and shit was a shithole and basically unlivable. So yea I think we found some common ground with some stringent debate. he he he
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”’I mean just the other day I was talking with the husband of my friend ””””’
Husband of the cousin visiting my friend. She got more cousins than a small town.
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Without afirmative action yea I think blacks would probably be doing better as they would stop thinking about slavery so much and why they deserve special priverlages and start thinking about beating the game of life. Although the amount of kids they have would probably go down. So who knows which is better.
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Gunslingergregi,
The problem isn’t that there aren’t black people (like my father) who figure out how to get ahead. It’s that those who get ahead don’t reproduce. As soon as they make it into the working and middle class, they stop having babies (and start having abortions), perhaps to differentiate themselves from the baby-making underclass.
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He sounds like a minority-minority. Too bad there weren’t more like him, and too bad most aren’t.
It’s deteriorated so far now, it’s beyond holding up .01% as a Hope for Change.
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Black and whites are in the same boat on this one, Firepower. We’re both dying out because of feminism. It just doesn’t look like it from statistics because black immigrants are included under “black”, and they have high birthrates and successful marriages.
I’ve mentioned before that my parents live in a majority-black upper-class neighborhood. What I didn’t mention is that most of the black people there are not native-born. They’re foreigners from the Caribbean, South American, and Africa. There are about 12 houses on my parents’ street and 9 of them are owned by foreigners. There are only 3 black American families on that street.
Welcome to America 2.0.
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The same boat!
To me, that could mean we are at war, not necessarily that we have to get along.
You want to do the best for your children and I for mine.
This doesn’t always mean we have common interests. They might very well be conflicting interests!
The ‘same boat’ argument seems to be a liberal way of thinking – naive and manipulating.
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The same boat means, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” It’s a strategic idea: let’s defeat feminism first, and then we go back to screaming at each other over the divide.
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Those Black Elites should pitch in, adopt all the poor Haitians – and do starvation prevention adoptions on all Ethiopians or wherever there’s a chance for natural disaster.
Or, at the very least, adopt all poor, underprivileged Detroiters. Maybe an Adopt-A-Crip program where they open the doors of the mansion to show the oppressed it is possible to succeed with the murderous, White Dracula keeping them down.
Yeah. A Big Brutha campaign where Black Gangster Disciples can finally achieve.
Um, there is no America 2.0
- just like there was no Great Britain 2.0
or
Rome 2.0
Just plain old Byzantium…then bye bye.
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You give up too easily, Firepower.
There actually is a Big Brutha campaign. It’s called Big Brother Big Sister and it’s very successful. Denzel Washington is one of it’s main contributors and promoters. You could call it the Adopt-A-Crip Save-A-Ho campaign.
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”””””’Or, at the very least, adopt all poor, underprivileged Detroiters. Maybe an Adopt-A-Crip program where they open the doors of the mansion to show the oppressed it is possible to succeed with the murderous, White Dracula keeping them down.””””””””
Yea where are all the heartfelt pleas for money for detroit from the former presidents or the current one and first lady.
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Heh, no worries, John. I’ve tried to address issues like this once in a while before, about Multi-Culturalism – the same thing as Christianity/Relgion – but they are so volatile and emotional for people… and yet, these issues are so important to understand “the Big Picture,” that I often worry that nobody is ever going to say anything about these issues – ever! Just like at the beginning of WWII, the people on both sides thought that someone would say something and stop it before things got out of hand!
It’s not in either whites or blacks interests to throw away our freedoms and traditions, in order to accomodate other cultures that are directly contrary to our own. I don’t know what the answers are, but I don’t think ignoring it is it. Things are getting quite far along here in Canada, and it is getting kinda scary, to be honest. Although, the West does at times show signs of getting sparked up about things, but I wonder how long it will be before it’s time to leave, and get the hell out of Canuckistan – things like losing free speech and freedom of religion being threatened, I dunno about that. And these things are related to feminism and men’s issues – our rights! They are much easier to keep, than to throw away and have to fight to get them back again.
I think overall that this has not been a horrible thread at all, it feels rather productive to me. I’ve kind of enjoyed it… and we all know… it’s all about me!
PS – And, btw, Americans, anytime you feel a little Manifest Destiny coming on, feel free to give Ontario a smack!
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Oh, that’s simple to explain. Politicians only scratch an itch. Black people are reliable Democratic voters, so they get ignored.
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Giving up is when I stop requesting more pix of you in leather.
Too bad Denzel can only teach them how to be born lookin’ fine and making socially important action flicks.
He’s the 21st century Sidney Poitier.
Still, bbbs does a great job. I hardly ever see TNB on my local news anymore.
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Bullsh*t, but go ahead without me.
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This has definitely been a most excellent thread. But I have to go have a life now.
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Hey, I think B&G’s parents opening up their 1200 sq. ft. dominoes parlor in the guest house to the local chapter of Black Gangster Disciples for a sleepover is neato. Think of the headlines.
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B&G is cool.
If she’s hot, I say we keep her.
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@ Gunslingergregi
” It seems the black chicks are very sympathetic to the white mans cause.”
Yeah….
I noticed that, too.
I also noticed how their sympathy for white men’s plight is INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL to their sympathy for the plight OF THEIR OWN MEN.
/sarcasm
Hmmm…
Funny how black women still have that slave mentality of wanting please the “massa”. Even at the expense of their own men (not talking about your story in particular).
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GrimmNoir
what’s up with the name and
Funny how black women still have that slave mentality of wanting please the “massaâ€. Even at the expense of their own men
Please stop. a load of claptrap.
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@ chic noir
” what’s up with the name”
My name is none of your concern.
” Please stop.
No.
a load of claptrap.”
Prove it.
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There is a name for this and it isn’t immigration. It is colonization.
I am not sure I agree with this. I have observed a lot of blacks who want to maintain a distinct subculture and see assimilation as a type of treason.
This is also true for many “whitesâ€, who don’t speak Dutch, Friesian or French or any other language. Hell, some of them barely speak English properly.
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“Funny how black women still have that slave mentality of wanting please the “massaâ€. Even at the expense of their own men ”
You made the claim Grimm, it’s up to you to prove it.
I agree with Chic.. claptrap!
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*fists bumps kathy*
thanks kathy
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