Of course, humans all have a lot in common, but our cultures can be quite divergent. For example, “culture shock” is very real, and is a result of the profound cognitive dissonance that can set in when one starts to understand the new culture and realizes how very different it is. Culture shock generally sets in months after arrival in a new culture, and the more different the culture the more difficult it can be to overcome. Culture shock really set in for me when I began to understand the Chinese language and realize the major philosophical differences between Eastern and Western civilization. I’d say it took me about six months to get over the shock phase, but I was in a state of negotiation with the host culture the entire time I was in China. I couldn’t have fully adopted Chinese culture (my heart wasn’t in it), but I came to enjoy it and have a functional, pleasant life there before I came home.
Western European countries present their own problems and differences, but generally they aren’t all that different from Anglosphere countries. I imagine Eastern Europe and the countries of the former Soviet Union are somewhere in between East Asia and Western Europe. India may even be more difficult to adjust to than China, while Islamic countries are probably the most difficult of all. However, I don’t have any direct experience with either India or Muslim countries.
What is most relevant to us is that when comparing different cultures disparities concerning the status of men and women emerge. In the Anglosphere and Northern Europe – in fact, all countries of Germanic origin – women are legally and socially privileged, whereas in Islamic countries, men are clearly dominant. The rest of the world falls in between on a continuum.
What I’d like to hear from readers is what they have observed in foreign countries concerning the status and treatment of men. If you’ve had any particularly good or bad experiences, I’d like to know. Many Western men have the money and time for travel, but few know where they will be treated well as men. As more and more Western men eschew marriage, single men will inevitably become a greater proportion of Western tourists and expats. There is already a growing need for information that could help them have a positive experience in doing so, and it’s time we started making our voices heard so that both the travel industry and local governments listen and take steps to accommodate us.
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My friend just got back from a trip to Sweden. I’ll see if he’s interested in writing something up. He did say the women and people in general were quite odd.
Germany was not, for me, living there twice for extended periods, very different from here other than (1) marriage is less common and (2) sexual mores are even freer and there is less hypocrisy about it.
In my other travels, I have found myself feeling treated best, as a male, in Russia, Dubai and, to a much lesser degree, Spain. Poland was also fine, more or less.
“What I’d like to hear from readers is what they have observed in foreign countries concerning the status and treatment of men.”
Welmer, I started travelling in 1986. I had 7 years off travel when I had small kids but mostly I have travelled around Asia Pacfic in the 80s and 90s and Europe, Middle East and US in the 90s and 00s.
Men used to be well treated in the asian cultures in the 80s and 90s as far as I could tell. Of course men worked hard and the usual hierarchies applied but it was all normal. Men died much more often at work due to the lack of attention to safety and t he plentiful supply of labour. When I first went to Hong Kong in 87 I was surprised to see hundreds of men sleep on the covered walkways on a mat with a cardboard box over their heads with just a hole cut out for their neck. These were the construction workers. They climbed bamboo scaffolding, worked 60+ hours a week, and slept in the covered ways so they didn’t have to commute. My insight was we in Australia better smarten up or these guys will take our jobs. It was my three months in HK in 87 that really pointed me to I have better be a world leader in my field to keep my income going because one day the chinese would catch up with me. Turned out the be the Indians but hey, same idea.
I spent 15 months in Saudi Arabia and the Saudi men have it pretty good. The top 5% who go to university have a very good life. They don’t have to work much at all as they get others to work for them. Of course the muslim men who come in for work are treated terribly. They are routinely robbed of significant portions of their incomes by the saudis. They work in up to 55C and get little respite from the drugery of their chores. I recall one guy who used to make the coffee and bring it on our floor. He was very happy he had an inside job and was delighted to be so lucky as to be the guy who served the coffee and not the guy picking weeds out of the gardens!!
In Russia there is a very big stratification of men. The criminals are doing very well in all areas now. The cops are not about to butt into ANYONEs business for fear of being shot pretty quickly. Of course, these men make lots of money and they get lots of women. There are not many ‘honest businessmen’ around in Russia. Of course, such a large criminal element can only exist where the majority of men are alienated and the problems with alcohol and drugs and the alienation of so many russian men are well known. Simply put they steal what they want and injure/kill anyone who objects. And that’s the GOOD guys. The rest join the crime gangs! LOL! So women report they have to haev sex about 30% of the time at the job interview to even be considered for a job. If you do not give sex in russia you don’t get the job which I think is perfectly fair in a post feminist country as russia is. The Russian women I date tell me lurid tales of what goes on in Russia.
In Germany many men have it now figured out. They are further down the track of ‘feminism’. One friend of mine noted “German women want equality? For two generations all us german men were slaughtered, they are welcome to it(equality).” There are your omegas and your betas who are pussy whipped manginas like you find everywhere else. But more and more german men are wide awake as to what is going on and things have subtly changed. For example, intelligent german men who want to have children will refuse to have them until the woman is about 35 thereby she must work many years before the children arrive. There are a lot of german women who are 40+ with two small children. They know they have zero value on the dating market and no other man will look at them. In this way the men have locked the women into the marriage. The caused a huge problem with schools as there was a dearth of children as this adjustment happened and even today the birth rate is down 50% over 40 years ago and the population is declining quite rapidly. German men must, as ever, work pretty hard, but the woman is also expected to work. No free lunch. And the men do not break their arse to provide extra. It is illegal to work more than 44 hours in a company and so no overtime is available unless you work for yourself. If the woman wants more, she knows she has to get it herself. Divorce ‘laws’ are said to be the fairest in the western world and there are even many stories of women being poorly treated in the family courts.
“There is already a growing need for information that could help them have a positive experience in doing so, and it’s time we started making our voices heard so that both the travel industry and local governments listen and take steps to accommodate us. ”
Who cares what the travel industry of local guvments do? I think mens groups should take care of their brothers who are travelling around or wanting to relocate. We are working on relocating men who fall foul of family law by using the world passport. (http://www.worldgovernment.org/docpass.html)
I got one and it has so far been denied at Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Stanstead, Heathrow and Sydney. I have written to Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown and Kevin Rudd as this was a violation of my human rights as defined by the UN. I have heard back from the letters to Brown and Merkel, still waiting on the one to Rudd.
Of course, they say the world passport issued by the world service authority is not ‘recognised’. So I am now challenging them to write and sign an affidavit to that effect under penalty of perjury and full commerical liability. Let’s see if they are willing to say they can violate my god given and self claimed right to travel in such a way as I can send them to jail if they are ‘faking’ it. I’ll let men here know how I get along.
On the topic of travel. We all have a right to claim the right of travel all over the earth and the robots at ‘border control’ do not have a right to tell us where we can and can not go. Some people have travelled using documents they prepared themselves. I am working on the world passport as a document identifying me as a human being as well as noticing my corporate strawman. It has been accepted many places as a one off but so far the various ‘country guvments’ have not made blanket statements to accept this passport. So I am working on that. When you present a ‘national passport’ what you are doing is begging for permission to pass boarder control. With a world passport you are informing border patrol of crossing the boarder and you are exercising your right to travel freely on this planet. Only problem is the guy has a gun so when he says no it is a violation of my rights. Hence the follow up to the heads of these guvments. Yep…some here will probably call me a liar for this too!!
I spent just one month in Japan, but I had a lot of fun during that time, including the kind you don’t tell Mom about…
Besides that, my current girlfriend (of one and a half years) is Japanese, so I have a lot of experience with Japanese society…
Somehow, Japanese girls manage to be better than American girls, while at the same time Japanese guys manage to be worse than American guys. It’s weird. There is a lot more emphasis on marriage and family, and a lot more women are perfectly happy to be housewives, but at the same time, the guys are treated like scum of the earth. Fortunately this doesn’t go for visitors– so it’s the best of both worlds for a foreign male. Seriously, a foreign tourist male is like an automatic king. You don’t even need to know Japanese– in fact it’s better if you don’t. But I feel terrible sympathy for the poor Japanese guys. I guess the problem they face isn’t so much one of feminism, but one of capitalism in general… Japanese guys are a case study on their own, and many an article could be written about them. Many are giving up entirely on women, not because the women there are particularly bad (they’re much better than American women) but just because the Japanese male is so ridiculously castrated and weak somehow.
Oh I forgot to mention my brother is in South Korea now teaching at school. All the girls everywhere are in love with him because of his big American nose. A 12 year old gave him her number. He loves the people there so far. His girlfriend is with him too.
Well I don’t know when the last time Globalman was in Russia but I just spent six months there in 2009. I didn’t see that dark picture he painted but I understand things were much worse back in the 90′s maybe that was what he was talking about.
It’s true what they say about the Russian women. They are beautiful and in large numbers. Those that can get married young, have their babies and still look good after. They also seem to hold on to their men like gold. I think because there is a serious problem with alcohol and drugs among the men. I have seen it myself so I think those men who are still functional and sober are highly valued.
They also seem to like Americans a great deal. I was treated much better there than I am in the US. I would encourage any young man to take a trip to Moscow and see for yourself at least so you you will have something to compare American women to. I’m not saying women aren’t the same all over the world but after what I have seen in Russia I could never go back to American chicks.
I like how the germans handled the problem. Put those broads to work. A male birth control pill will really inhance the technique of handling femminism that way.
I just don’t get this. The Japanese are heirs to a fierce and masculine civilization—the samurai, shoguns, the fearsome Japanese armed forces of WWII. Assuming what you say is true, how did they end up so weak and disrespected?
The shame of having all your cities burnt to the ground and entire generation of men decimated for nothing would be my guess.
I lived in Japan for a year and a half when I was in middle school. I don’t have any great insight except that Japan shared my interests at the time which were baseball, plastic models of planes and motorcycles, video games, trains and anime. I thought it was a really cool.
Japanese companies treat their workers like crap. The pay is low, overtime is not fully paid. They get a certain number of hours paid, after that it’s ‘service sangyou’ or ‘overtime for the good of the company’. The economy is in it’s worst state since the end of WWII. This past year, several companies did the unheard of, the unthinkable…they withdrew promises of jobs to new graduates, two or three months before they were due to begin work, they were effectively fired before they had a even one day on the job. Japan is in a deflationary spiral. Clothing makers, supermarkets, department stores, all competing for a shrinking customer base, are trying to outdo each other lowering prices. For the consumer in a pinch, 980 yen jeans and 500 yen tee-shirts and 100-300 yen lunch boxes might be great, but businesses are starting to go under. It’s hard to be optimistic about the future for the younger generation, I’d imagine.
Xamuel, I’m interested in your point of view. What things in particular indicated to you that the Japanese male is weak?
Yep.
The “catch” is that I wouldn’t make a bet on Russia as a country, in terms of living there, and I wouldn’t make a bet on Russian women’s behavior if you bring one back West with you. Perhaps finding a Russian woman and a third non-Western country to live in would be the best combination.
@ Novaseeker…
And at any other man thinking about Eastern European women…
You’re mostly right.
Russian/Ukrainian women are FAR more attractive than women from the Anglosphere.
But you have to be very careful. If you can find a girl from a smaller Russian or Ukrainian city, you are far better off than say…a woman from Moscow, or St. Petersburg. Most ( but not all) women from large cities manipulative and spoiled. Not much different from the golddiggers we find in the west.
If any man has the impulse to go looking there, I have two basic recommendations: First…if she EVER asks for money for any kind of bullshit reason…then you are dealing with a scam artist. Second…a good peice of history to get soon after starting is this: where is dad?
If he is around, and they have a good relationship between father and daughter…so much the better. If dad was a drunkard, and or otherwise absent…ignore the short skirt and hot lingerie, and dump her ASAP.
Been there 11 times. Average guys can score big there, with seriously hot girls. But it requires some care and due diligence.
Let with your head, not your pecker.
Correction:
LEAD with you head…not your pecker.
Having been back and forth to both Ukraine and Russia a few times this past decade, I have had the opportunity of comparing these two countries cultures.
My experience is that Ukrainian women are generally ( that is, to my taste ) less attractive than the average Russian women ; and also much more scheming / manipulative. However, the hottest ones are truly stunners not exceeded anywhere .. I do mean anywhere. The culture is a mix of European west and Russia. Western Ukraine is in the Western sphere of influence and the eastern areas are psychologically allied to Russia. I would expect if Russia gains the economic power via petroleum in the future, that they may attempt to carve off the eastern section in some manner for past transgressions re: the Orange Revolution recently.
I have friends in Russia and will be going back to visit there in the fairly near future. Still amazed at the sheer proportion of attractive women in the population which I have not seen anywhere else in my world travels. If a typical country has say 1 out of 10 attractive women walking down the street, I find that in Russia it is 5 or 6. You have to go there to see and understand. And thats without the typical make-up that WW wear.
Yep. Russia is amazing. The first time I stepped off the plane there I was very surprised. Very unlike Europe and the West. In part genes, but in most part also appearance, demeanor, attitude. Just a different world of sex relations there. Very nice to be there.
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I was recently in Japan for about a month also. I didn’t see an incredible amount of effeminate behavior among the men, but there was some. Besides that I saw many young Japanese couples holding hands and the men acting like men.
Being a tall White male, I got a lot of visual attention. I could tell that it would have been very easy for me to visit that Poontang Dynasty with a just lil’ effort. But I honestly detest this certain mentality that some Western men have about Asian countries — like taking advantage of their women, etc. I think it’s petty and disrespectful. The women there are very cute and tempting, though. But are you telling me that none of you get that uneasy feeling when you find foreign men/different ethnic groups aggressively pursuing White women in front of you? Japanese men are masters at concealing emotion, but they have those instinctual feelings too.
I loved the vibe from the small towns much more than Tokyo. I didn’t have much experience in huge metropolitan cities before. While Tokyo can be awesome it also feels incredibly rushed and materialistic (much like any other huge U.S. city). The smaller cities like Nara had an amazing vibe to them. The park has ancient shrines and temples, and there are hundreds of deer freely roaming around. The Buddhists there apparently consider them sacred animals. I remember walking off the beaten path from there and winding up in this small residential area. Just a small Japanese neighborhood. It was the most quiet and peaceful place I had ever visited. Small beautiful homes with a Zen-like simplicity, and a few shrines here and there. It had such a serene atmosphere. I’m getting that nostalgic feeling just thinking about it!
There is a name for the effeminate, passive japanese male. They’re called “grass eaters.” I’ve seen a few articles about them with various explanations but most seem to think their behavior is mainly caused by a lack of economic opportunity. It’s easy to understand how guys would lose interest in pursuing the traditional miserable male role when the payoff is eliminated.
http://www.tribune.ie/news/international/article/2009/jun/14/grass-eaters-make-hay-in-japan/
Globalman, who issues this World Passport? The UN?
In my global experience, I would say men are best off in the United States.
Wow that is weird. Now that I think about it, I do recall seeing some who looked like that. They looked very primped and metro. But it is unfair to generalize about all Japanese men in that age demographic.
I guess I’m guilty of generalizing from the Japanese guys I’ve met. See also the following rather sad case study: http://himote.in …unfortunately it’s in Japanese but there’s an explanation in English here: http://www.japanslate.com/himote-loners-unite-happy-folk-in-real-life-drop-dead/
BTW, it’s great to see such active discussion in a mens rights group… usually blog commenting is kind of a hit-and-run thing, and here we have actual discussion almost like a forum.. very cool
I spent 3 years in West Africa. Energy job.
The country I spent time in is half-Christian and half-Muslim and the division is mostly geographical. I did not spend time in the Muslim areas so I can’t judge much about that.
A few things I noticed (obviously over-simplified):
- Elders are respected. Old men get instant respect as do old women.
- The traditional roles of men as bread-winners and women as homemakers is embraced. Even when women work, they embrace their duty as cooks. A man usually shows up for work with a wife-prepared lunch.
- The concept of dowry is still quite prevalent. A man must come up with certain items to present to the wife’s family before proposing. I believe it to be a method for judging his ability to provide – i.e. if he can’t come up with the dowry he’s not really able to provide -.
- Extended families play a significant role in guiding young people, especially young women. Women are “policed” to remain virtuous by brothers, cousins, uncles, older sisters, aunts as they are by mother and father.
Welmer – could you elaborate on your china experiences – fascinating stuff.
I’d love to. But it will take me some time to write them down. I really ought to check some of my old emails and journals.
Globalman, who issues this World Passport? The UN?
In my global experience, I would say men are best off in the United States. — Racial Indian Supremacist Vancouver
Shut your globalist mouth up, Vancouver!
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I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months, and the women were fine and willing – and often topless! The weed was spectacular, although they heard about BC Bud far more than I had heard about Nederweed. If you are from Canada, you can especially get laid there easily! Not that I took advantage, being the honourable gent that I am.
It was one of the best times of my life. Semi-learning a third language was also a great thing, even though I hate learning languages – but it does expand the brain’s thoughts, as J. Durden has been pointing out in his excellent articles lately.
I would like to return for a visit, but, I am afraid doing so might taint my fond memories.
Ah… if it does… I know where to go in Amsterdam to dull that.
I think everyone should take the opportunity to spend some time abroad, no matter where.
EXACTLY like India. With one exception: the dowry is given to the groom and his family by the bride’s family. Yes, women are PAYING men to marry them in India.
Yaddah yaddah. Supremacist trash. MOVE BACK THERE!
Thank you Xamuel, for your answer. I’ve lived in Japan now for quite a while, so I thought that maybe it was a ‘can’t see the forest for the trees’ type of thing where I might not notice certain trends. Fresh eyes can be more observant.
From about last year, I think. Some female journalist or essayist coined the term. The Japanese were nearly vegetarians, however after Buddhism came from China via India and eating the flesh of four-footed animals was frowned upon . Those who couldn’t give up meat ate ‘mountain whale’ (deer) and counted rabbits by the ’1wa 2wa’ counter for birds to get away with it
(clever!). Anyway, in saying that, she’s in effect making fun of the history of her own culture . Not too smart.
The primped-up guys (especially if wearing suits) might be those guys who stand outside bars and clubs calling people in. They dress so that you notice them, pick them out of a crowd. They might be hosts, too (guys who serve women drinks at clubs). Their style reminds me of shoujou manga characters.
Seeing as we are on the topic of culture and how men and women relate to each other, it is perhaps worth noting that even within the anglosphere, there can be marked variations. A couple of days ago, fedrz posted a link to the lyrics of Kev’s Courtin’ Song (Baumeister thread). This poem has distinctly Australian undertones (references to breweries and sheilas are always a dead give-away). Unless you have a thing for a highly polarized good-girl/bad-girl duality (prissy good-girls versus barroom sluts, with very little in the mid-range) it’s not the healthiest of cultural dynamics. In every other culture, women have as strong a sex drive as men (if not stronger), though women often choose to ‘control’ supply because it yields benefits beyond the bedroom. But there’s this unspoken myth in Australia that ‘good-girls’ don’t dig that kind of thing (sex). For example, I was in a men’s discussion group recently, and they were arguing why wives should ‘allow’ their husbands to fuck them. What planet does this come from? There’s no reason why supply cannot also be stymied from the other end, and the reality is that it often is.
Kev’s Courtin’ Song captures what I’m saying quite well, actually, if you read it more closely. The dualities of Victorian prudery lie at the heart of feminism/chivalry, and Australia has bucket-loads of it. All is not quite what it seems. The opposite pole of the duality becomes invisible, and so people only notice the characteristics on the surface, the characteristics that receive attention. The relaxed, matey style for which Australia has a reputation becomes something quite different when you peel away the layers. Australians can be more Victorian than the English.
Echoing Niels Bohr’s famous comment on quantum physics (if you are not shocked by quantum physics…), if you don’t experience culture shock when you come to live in Australia, then you don’t understand it.
EXACTLY like India. With one exception: the dowry is given to the groom and his family by the bride’s family. Yes, women are PAYING men to marry them in India.
Haha, reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.
Just like West African guy who has to bring some ‘things’ to show that he can provide unless you have strong credentials (like the name of the university you are graduating from, your expected salary and position for guys still in colleges) you won’t have a chance in the marriage market much less get a dowry from the girl’s parents.
Not to mention the fact that dowry is illegal so that the marriage proposals that my friends are currently getting with the mention of dowry are from the bride’s parents of their own accord because they want well-educated boys who will earn well and provide well for their daughters, not because the boys won’t marry unless they get money.
Money is much less of a prospect for them than the bliss of a marital life and of course sex.(yup still virgins)
Men here get married generally in their mid-late twenties and most of them did in their early 20s just a few years ago–so even though countless hindi movies/TV serials/literature have drilled in me that dowry is evil–it made perfect sense for the bride’s parents to give dowry so that their daughter started off with a well-furnished home.Boys were raised with money in bank for their education, girls for their dowry.
Anyway, with the rise of women in higher education and jobs, and easier loans for pretty much everything it’s reduntant these days.
“Just like West African guy who has to bring some ‘things’ to show that he can provide unless you have strong credentials (like the name of the university you are graduating from, your expected salary and position for guys still in colleges) you won’t have a chance in the marriage market much less get a dowry from the girl’s parents.”
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Guess cultural differences on the dowry differ from country to country.
For Borat, wasn’t it fifteen gallons of insecticide to be given the potential wife’s father to ask for her hand in marriage?
You see… the American woman can’t seem to understand, that their Dowry to the American man is their Youth which is their beauty. Instead they squander their prime years away, then decide around 30 years old they suddenly want the provider type guy.
When will they wake up
- Welmer
Hey – at your convenience! How your concrete experiences turned into an understanding of the ‘deep culture’ of China and the difference to the West sounds fascinating.
Yea don’t come where I am please the men and woman already equal. Bring the western poison though and will have to legislate it then woman will become pathetic shells of what real woman can be.
Westerner’s knowledge of their own history has been reduced to dumbed-down Hallmark moments.
“And he gave them dowries of gold,
that they may find husbands to have and to hold.”
Is sung about what jolly-old man in red bishop’s cloak?
blarf.
Seeking The Answer to Life
from folks who indulge their desires
for e.coli scented water
and 5-year old shoe stitchers is overrated.
The ONLY reason to go to a third world shithole is to see what fun a brothel could be, before Wimmins banned them – like here.
Pioneer Spirit, O Men of The West.
Put on your spurs and chaps
and watch
TV
Posters like JD and fedrz make me never want to come back to this site. What losers.
Nyet Amerikanka Zhenshcheena January 23, 2010 at 16:00
I was last in Russia about 3 years ago. Well, not really ‘Russia’ as I was in Moscow and I was staying at the Sheraton so it’s not like I was exposed to the more rural russian areas. I went to Moscow about 4 times over a period of three years selling deals. The place is just too corrupt to be trying to sell into. We took forever to get paid and it just was not worth the trouble.
I didn’t say thinks were ‘dark’. I just explained them as they were explained to me. The level of corruption in Russia is very high as is the alcoholism and drug addiction, so I am told. There are plenty of articles making it out of Russia talking about this and the women I date tell pretty much the same story. Why do you think there are so many russian chicks in Germany? I have been told that a lot of the women take the babies or kids to the workplace of the man and sit there all day while he works otherwise the man will stop working and go off drinking. That makes a good husband look pretty good.
The women are really beautiful. I dated one Siberian chick I had to drop because she was simply ‘too hot’. Me, being 45 and all, just didn’t last long enough for it to be satisfying. It was always over way too quick. She laughed her arse off and told me no man had ever told her she was too hot before! She took it very well and as a compliment. When a man who is 45 is dropping chicks because they are ‘too hot’ it’s a pretty good sign that things are going ok. LOL!!
Sure, the eastern chicks are after ‘babies and money’ but they are very up front about that. They will tell you flat out even when they meet you they are looking for a husband by which they mean babies. The fastest I have been asked if I am looking for a wife by a woman whom I met in a bar is 3 minutes beating out a mates 15 minutes as the previous record. I think I mentioned prostitution is legal in germany and they are all over the place. So every woman out on a date knows that her date knows he can get sex from a beautiful young women inside about 200 meters inside EUR200. Once you understand all that is going on you can see why women are so willing to put out in places like Germany. They either put out or get no male attention at all because if she wont the next one will. All a man has to do is be up the man hierarchy or at least look like it.
Vancouver January 23, 2010 at 20:18
Globalman, who issues this World Passport? The UN? (http://www.worldgovernment.org/docpass.html)
It is called ‘The World Service Authority’. You can read all about them in their web site. Many of us have queried them and searched around for whether they are subverted by the Illuminati. So far they seem to be genuine. The fact that I am having to send letters to Merkel, Brown, Rudd to get them to meet their obligations of allowing me to travel on it also seems to indicate that it’s legit.
See – this is why GM
will fail in Detroit.
Guys,
you will love this story about men and cultural differences. So…one day I get in a cab in Cologne and the black driver is on the phone. When he gets off the phone he tells me he was talking to his wife in Africa. I asked him if he was going to bring her over. As near as I can recall he said this:
“No way man. All my friends, they bring their wives over here, their eyes open up and they want his money and they run off with another man. You white guys are so stupid. You try to give your wife what she says she wants to make her happy. My wife? She is in my village with her mother. She has her kids around her. I send her a little money to pay for things. It is very cheap to live there. She has everything she needs. I tell her she is lucky and she is happy. I get to have a girlfriend or two over here to keep me happy as well. Everyone is happy. Like I said. You white guys are stupid. You go to university and you get your degrees, but you don’t know nothing about women.”
When, later, I finally got what he was telling me I laughed my arse off. Here was me, well educated, well travelled, globally known consultant, with a marriage going down the tubes. Here was this guy, zip education, driving a cab, got his wife perfectly in line and getting some on the side as well. Just goes to show what I have said for many years “wisdom occurs everywhere, even in the most unexpected places, if I just shut up and listen I might learn something.”
Posters like JD and fedrz make me never want to come back to this site. What losers. — Mark
Boohoo, little baby got his feelings hurt. Why don’t you run to the government and ask them to kiss your little booboos better for you?
I lived in Japan several years and got to know the culture fairly well due to having an LTR with a Japanese girl the whole time I was there, meeting her folks and friends etc.
Initially my impression was that it’s very traditional because of the separation of gender roles (men work, women homemake, men drink beer, women obsessed by fashion to look girly). Then I realised a few things:
1. It mainly affects the older generation. Young girls are far more likely to be working and young men are far more herb.
2. It’s a beta-provider nightmare. The men work like dogs for 70hrs p/w for forty years and never have any kind of home life or child raising. It’s a traditional prison.
Japan is also far more socialist than it appears to the outsider. The divorce courts are anti-male, it is swamped by fembot government hiring, and they have no-fault divorce.
So while the women do try hard to be feminine, that’s about the only advantage over the West. Oh, and the fact that the mid-strata of women are far slimmer, better groomed, and nicer than in the West.
BTW, I don’t really believe in the Japan-as-paradise-for-Western-men idea. It’s better than the West for the typical beta, but that’s just because the general population of girls is much hotter and the domestic competition have herbified themselves out of contention. But most of the Western men were excluded from the higher tiers of Japanese girls. So to the Western eye you’d see a “6″ man with an “8″ girl, but to the practiced eye you’d find that in a Japanese context she was more like a 6, due to the vast pool of similar quality women.
Not hating – the dude still thinks she’s an 8 and enjoys his sex accordingly.
Socialist governments rule Liberal-leaning cultures.
These governments hire straight out of their propaganda films.
At least we in the US know what’s coming for ourselves and our children.
As an American living in Slovakia, my perspective is that things here in Central Europe are better than they are in the US, but not that much better. Yes, the women are beautiful, but many of the young women I have contact with have already absorbed the entitlement mentality to a large degree. The good thing is the the law has not yet made it possible for them to run roughshod over men. But as the EU wraps its tentacles ever more tightly around national goverments, I am afraid the situation for men might change for the worse. So Central Europe is not exactly a men’s paradise, but it is better than the US, and probably still better than most of Western Europe.
I’ve just recently become a blissfully married South Dakota housewife, currently pregnant with my first child. My husband is perfectly happy with me not putting my Ivy League degree to use. Instead, I spend my days making sure he doesn’t have to lift a finger the moment he walks through the front door.
This confuses my family in Poland to no end. Not so much the cooking and cleaning. All of my female relatives clean compulsively, and the concept of not cooking simply does not compute in their minds. Rather, they are bewildered by my husband giving me the “luxury” of staying home. They are expected not only to work, but to handle all the household work and childrearing themselves as well. And not the half-assed household work that American women deign to perform perhaps once a month, even if they’re stay-at-home mothers with all the time in the world. My grandmother washes the kitchen floor daily and scours the toilet every morning and afternoon. Otherwise, the entire town would begin to gossip that she’s a “bad wife.” Oh, and this is in addition to being a Slavic philologist at the University of Warsaw. American women have NO idea how easy their lives are. Honestly, I’d probably lean feminist myself if I were still living in Eastern Europe.
This is what happens when communism and a deeply entrenched patriarchal system collide. Not that I have any problem with patriarchy – indeed, I think it’s the basis for civilization – but when you combine all the responsibilies of a good wife and mother under patriarchy with the expectation of providing at least half the family’s income, it’s a recipe for disaster. I continue to be amazed that my grandmother and aunts and cousins simply shrug and accept their fate. True, my grandmother spends half the day bitching about my grandfather (who has aspergers and parkinsons and requires extensive, utterly unrewarding care), but she’d never dream of divorcing him or even cutting off his hot meals and clean sheets. Her only feeble attempt at feminism was trying to convince me never to get married and have children – “it’s pure drudgery.” She apparently was hysterical when I got engaged, though now she thinks my married life is the most awesome thing in the world… and is encouraging all her friends’ granddaughters to marry a “good American man.”
…and this is where you come in.
hankmoody January 24, 2010 at 00:03
I remember a story , back in the 80s of an american golddigger who desired to marry a very wealthy man from India. She didn’t know she was going to have to pay a dowry. The groom’s family demanded all sort of expensive items. When they discovered the woman could not only pay the dowry but, that she was marrying the young man for his money, they dragged her outside and burned her alive. The young man’s female relatives were present.
The whole incident happened in India.
Well, them Indians are savages. Dot and feather.
Anya:
If you have a hot younger sister practiced in the fine art of making pierogi in fishnets and a pushup bustier, I’m all for relaxing the present immigration laws that ban white foreigners from American citizenship.
Sadly, Fire, I got the only one from that family. Actually that’s probably better for my marriage, if she had a younger sister I’d get myself in to a lot of trouble. I’m all for legalizing the sex trade (both prostitution and importation) since that will finally balance the scales of feminism and American women would be forced to fix their shit. Free trade = better cars, cheaper beer, and hotter women.
For the past 6 months (Aug-Jan 2010), I had been living abroad in Stockholm, Sweden. It was a fantastic experience. A great friend of mine, Jay Hammers, asked me if I would be interested in reporting on my views of what Sweden was like for men’s rights, and so I am providing my take on the situation here.
I guess what still sticks out as the most prominent aspect of women in Sweden was something that a politician told me at a bar: “The only reason that the vikings existed was because of the women who sent them out for supplies. Swedish men were traders, not warriors, but living with such bad trade, pillaging was one of the only ways to get what their women desired.” Now I am positive this was a joke at the time, it sill managed to hold its own interesting point of view, that I thought was important in my Sweden travels.
Men were expected to dress certain ways, act formally, and talking outside of this, though never officially stated, there was an aura of negativity around it. Not so much with women; though all dressed formally, there was much more talking informally, and other conversations. I do believe that women were the masters of the city, and I thought it was evident by how fashion plays a role in EVERY aspect of their lives. The fashion there is incredible, but it seems to be the main hobby for anyone and everyone. The example coming to mind right now, were all the ads for kids in Stockholm to receive formal clothing for Christmas. The students I talked with mainly received fashionable clothing, and were all either following or writing their own fashion blogs (note: I was in a social media design program. This might be a bias).
One of the most startling things to me was the fact that most dogs walked without leashes, next to their owners, down the block. There was no emotion in running of kids, or the smiling of a passerby, as I went out for a walk. Emotionless and fashionable, I thought to myself that I was in a world of Austin Power’s FemmeBots (with women and children too). I have had experience with women there, and do think that they are stunningly beautiful, though there is a strong feeling that in Stockholm: Women Rule. If you are a man, prepare for an uphill battle for your rights with women here.
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