Scott Brown, the dark horse truck-driving Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat vacated by the death of the scion of the Massachusetts Royal Family, yesterday defeated the favorite, feminist Attorney General, and Democrat-anointed successor to Teddy Kennedy. For our readers who do not live in the United States, you should be aware that Massachusetts is the most Democrat-dominated state in the United States, with Democrats outnumbering Republicans by a 3 to 1 margin.
I am not a Republican, I am an Independent. Yet, Brown has been a “person of interest” for me for some time, as he was a supporter of father’s rights legislation in Massachusetts and has actually met with Glenn Sacks’ group Fathers and Families to discuss the men’s legislative agenda.
I’m not suggesting that Brown is suddenly going to become a vocal advocate for men’s rights in the U.S. Senate. He will not be. Nevertheless he is a man who understands our issues, and is now ensconced in a very powerful place in our political system. While the ultimate impact of this is uncertain, it is still a cause for some celebration among men in the United States, I think, regardless of political affiliation. It is not often that a candidate receptive to our issues is elected to national office. May he be the first of many.
Congratulations, Scott Brown!
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…and there was much rejoicing.
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Now, let’s see the feminOrcs slander this man far more than they ever slandered his predecessor (who killed a woman).
His ‘baiting’ potential is high.
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This is huge for us. While I know that men’s rights aren’t going to get anywhere until some major problems with civilization happen, I did think that fathers’ rights could get somewhere even in the current political environment. Even many women are going to have trouble arguing against men who just want to be fathers to their kids. Plus, fathers’ rights is important for saving a much of the next generation of boys as possible.
Hopefully, Senator Brown won’t lose his convictions.
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One word:
Atari.
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Keep in mind that this also means it is likely that the Health Care crap is dead as well. This gives the ability to filibuster.
@TFH,
You just KNOW they are going to be gunning for him. And it will likely be over the mailer that was sent out by Coakley’s campaign accusing him of wanting to refuse treatment to rape victims (even though that’s not what he was voting for).
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On health care, my friends downtown are saying that the Democrats will either try to pass the Senate Bill or, more likely, try to ram through a bill they negotiate with the current Senate leadership (they are close) before Brown is sworn in ten days from now — in other words, force a cloture vote, and cram the bill down.
The political calculus is whether it costs them more in November to do a cram down, or to not have a Democrat-friendly bill be passed. Pelosi, Reid et al are probably discussing strat on that right now.
We can all at least be pleased that an outright feminist was not elected.
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I’m loving it cos:
- It spits on Ted Kennedy’s grave
- It gives the Republicans a filibuster
- It will probably kill Obamacare
- The guy is a pro-male candidate who defeated an anti-male feminist.
Obama is on the fast track to becoming a lame duck within 2 years. It took Bush 7. Here in the UK the Obamalove is still strong – but then it would be, because we are a rival country and he’s selling you guys out.
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I don’t think that has anything to do with it, Krauser.
I’m guessing Brown will do more harm as a Republican than good as a potential supporter of further father’s rights legislation, but maybe I’ll be surprised.
You people celebrating Kennedy’s death on the Interwebs are very manly.
A greater victory for men’s rights or for the insurance companies, I’m not sure. Hopefully Brown will do some good. Neither candidate was impressive. Unlike almost any senator today, Kennedy had compelling passion for his causes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sut4fl-YRbA
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Hate to say it, but the bill is going to pass. It’s big, bad, and ugly, and very much a punishment for the innocent and a reward for the irresponsible.
Oddly, they may actually get a more left-of-center bill now than they would have had Chokeley been elected, because theyre probably going to use reconciliation.
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Even many women are going to have trouble arguing against men who just want to be fathers to their kids.
Arguing against men who “just want to be daddies” is like flinging mud at Mother Theresa. Wouldn’t go down well with the general public.
There’s much rejoicing on the Catholic boards today. Lots of very large type and exclamation points. I think whole swaths of the country wore out their knees last night. I could hardly sleep. Amen and may God bless the good people of Massachusetts! (I never thought I’d say that.)
Being pro-abortion and being anti-male are things which seem to overlap considerably. He’s pro-choice, but he’s certainly an improvement over his competitor.
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Remember Romney was also pro-choice when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. I don’t think a pro-life Republican can be elected there, really, at least not one who openly admits he/she is.
A friend of a friend is a Republican strategist who has worked on several national campaigns, including G.W.B’s campaign in 2000. He told me at a party that “The GOP will NEVER significantly curtail abortion because if we did, a huge amount of our base would have no reason to vote for us. Secondly, the GOP’s biggest donors in the corporate world are generally pro-choice. We tell the pro-life community what they want to hear on abortion, because we need their votes and their activism.”
True story.
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An interesting comment, but it’s not as if the GOP has a magic wand or something that can overturn Roe v. Wade. It’s a bit of hubris for a political strategist to suggest that.
Abortion will end, at least in the enormous numbers we see today, when people stop seeing it as a choice. Public opinion has to turn solidly against it before anything will change, regardless of the lawmakers. But the lawmakers taking a pro-life stance has a definite effect on public opinion.
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A welcome development indeed. Can you imagine the gnashing of teeth at Harvard? Kennedy, in the Senate for 47 years, was exactly the kind of politician-for-life the founders didn’t want us to have. This victory in a way symbolically repudiates him. I strongly do not believe in political families or inherited seats. We were not supposed to have a heredetary aristocracy in this nation. This victory is pleasing to me for that reason as well as a few others.
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Fuck you. This is easily the stupidest thing you’ve ever posted. I’m pro-choice and strongly pro-men’s rights. They aren’t mutually exclusive by any means.
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You wish.
But seriously, how can you be pro men’s rights at the same time as being pro-choice? They aren’t mutually exclusive (I said that they “overlap considerably”) but they do seriously conflict.
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B&G,
You are totally wrong.
They do not necessarily conflict; it depends upon how you conceive of rights. If you are a libertarian type, it’s entirely plausible that you believe men should have equal rights, but that women should have the choice to abort a child (even if you don’t approve of the actual act). You just probably also believe that men should have the right to decline parenthood (no financial obligation, no tie to the child, etc) in some formal way as well.
There are many who post here that believe, first and foremost, government should avoid fucking around with people’s lives and that liberty is the primary issue. This tends to lead naturally to men’s rights in our current environment, and does not necessarily create a conflict with abortion.
Let’s not have the whole abortion argument here, as I can guarantee that you will alienate a lot of people (and quite possibly yourself), as it is something that the community here does not and will not agree on.
Don’t bang that drum.
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Hmmm. Roissy himself includes abortion as one of the four sirens of the sexual apocalypse, I think.
To me the nexus between abortion-on-demand and men’s rights is that under the current regime men have basically no reproductive rights. As Reinholt points out, this does not require an anti-abortion stance, but if the stance of an MRA type is not anti-abortion, then it would seem congruent to advocate for men’s rights with respect to pregnancy obligations and so on — which many MRAs do, to one degree or other. I do not think either is likely, however — that is, neither outlawing abortion-on-demand is likely, nor is actually giving men rights with respect to pregnancies likely. The pro-abortion side of the fence has effectively won the legal war on this by giving the woman a trump card because she is the only one of the two people who actually gets pregnant — in other words, the public discourse on abortion pretty much agrees with the idea that women should get more than one bite at the apple than men do, because women are the ones who get pregnant. So I don’t see that regime changing much, either way — that is either in favor of restricting women’s “rights” in this area, or adding to men’s rights in this area. Not going to happen.
So as a practical matter, it’s not a great issue for men to be focusing on as a men’s rights type issue — there are other issues that, while still enormously difficult, are more likely to yield results than messing around with the abortion regime.
Disclosure: Personally I am very anti-abortion and anti-Roe, but I am also a pragmatist.
Congratulations to Brown. Republicans are taking note, Brown ran a campaign that may become the template of future Republican efforts. It was conspicously devoid of any display of party affiliation and almost appeared as if it were an independent running for the Senate seat. Very clever.
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Repudiation of a dead man
harms him least of all.
A limited victory, if one considers the sum of damages he caused.
If you think the Progressives, Liberals and Democrats will pack up and leave the field of battle – or even be cowed – you are sadly fucked.
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The MSM isn’t going to connect the dots, but there are many, many, many men in Massachusetts who’ve been feeling uneasy about their matriarchal establishment there because of the rising awareness of the Alimony Battle there, and awareness of the Feminist blockers of said alimony reform (Women’s Bar Association, State Senator Cynthia Creen, State Senator Alice Peisch, etc).
http://www.massalimonyreform.org/
Coakley may not have been one of those alimony reform blockers explicitly, but it was clear that she was cut from the same “Old Girls Club” that currently holds all the strings of power in that state.
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“You people celebrating Kennedy’s death on the Interwebs are very manly.”
Oh, I’m going to piss on his grave all day long, baby. He was perhaps the greatest traitor this nation has ever known. His 1965 Immigration Act alone is enough to ensure that.
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Congratulations to Brown. Republicans are taking note, Brown ran a campaign that may become the template of future Republican efforts. It was conspicously devoid of any display of party affiliation and almost appeared as if it were an independent running for the Senate seat. Very clever.
Easier to do in a place like Mass where using the GOP label is a bad idea. The trouble with national campaigns is running like that can alienate deep red places that identify with the label. Still, I think the broader lesson from Brown’s tactics is that the GOP has an opening in following a kind of “independent/populist” tack. The democrats are vulnerable to this approach, because of its inherent appeal to the middle class and lower white voter. This is the case particularly under Obama, who comes across to many of these populist whites as an effete elite. If the Republicans can run more campaigns with that theme for the mid-term, they could pick up a good number of seats, I think.
It is a sad but observable phenomena that those elected to office on a platform of reducing ‘big government’ seldom if ever deliver on this pledge. I would go further and say most politician have at some point promise to role back government. To all intents and purposes it never happens. There is some old saying I can’t quite recall but it has something in it about power and also about corruption. Probably you know the remark.
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I think Reinholt is right on, and Novaseekers comments help to clarify it even more. And considering that Nova has religious reasons to be against abortion that makes his fairness on this issue much appreciated. I actually think Roe V Wade was pretty much the best way to resolve the connundrum of individual bodily autonomy vs the developing personhood of the fetus but that is neither here nor there. Being pro-choice doesn’t mean one doesn’t oppose partial birth abortions, nor does it necessarily lead logically to any of the myriad ways the state makes men and only men responsible for women’s choices on this matter.
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This publicity was right in the middle of the post :
http://www.becauseiamagirl.ca
What the hell is that???
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On the subject of the original post, I tend to lean more towards this:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/1/20/1838/41062
I think she is correct. The current administration stands for nothing but the status quo.
Regardless, health care infation will destroy the current system within the next few years. Something does have to be done. I’d go ahead with a private option and let the Republicans take the blame for any obstructionism.
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Instead of focusing on outlawing abortion (which is just one avenue that women use to avoid parenthood), focus your energies instead on giving men the legal right to decline fatherhood (and all of it’s obligations). This would force women to think about who they decide to sleep with and be accountable for their choices. As of yet, men have zero rights on declining parenthood while the mother has plenty (morning after pill, birth control, abortion, adoption, abandonment and infanticide)
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If you think women should have the right to choose whether or not to abort your child, aren’t you abdicating your parental rights, at the same time that you can later be called to parental responsibility? Either the child is yours and you have some say in the decision, or it isn’t. Anyway, my original comment about the two subjects overlapping was meant as a swipe at Mrs. Coakley and other feminists. But since dragnet took it there, I decided to follow him.
In my original comment
Being pro-abortion and being anti-male are things which seem to overlap considerably. He’s pro-choice, but he’s certainly an improvement over his competitor.
I note that Senator Brown is pro-choice, so obviously it’s possible for the two conflicting motions to co-exist within one man. But with women they do tend to go together. Abortion is largely a feminist cause, in which women choose their own personal desires over the fate of their own biological children. Most of us would turn a blind eye to the whole thing if it was 14 year-old rape victims doing it, but 23 year-old college students? Are they pleading poverty and ignorance to garner our sympathies? Calling it pro-choice is a misnomer, anyway. They already have a choice: to keep their legs shut or get their tubes tied.
And suing their sperm-donors for paternity and child-support is a slap in the face to every woman who didn’t follow their path and got a real father for their children before getting themselves knocked up.
BTW, I am a libertarian and I don’t think that that conflicts with my pro-life views. I believe firmly in the right to life, and that extends to all human life. I don’t pick and choose who is deserving and who isn’t because I believe that the right is endowed by their Creator and that I have no say in the matter. In fact, I don’t believe I should have a say in most matters affecting most people in most circumstances, beyond the right to voice my opinion freely. People should do as they like as long as they aren’t trespassing against someone else. I can’t and shouldn’t be able to force them to stop, just as they can’t force me to shut up.
What libertarians argue over is whether or not an unborn child is a “person”, and whether the government should have the legal right to enforce the right to life where that conflicts with liberty and property rights. In other words, even most libertarians can debate the topic in good faith, as it — as with many other questions of liberty — involves conflicting rights.
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Oh, okay. Just saw the other comments. Then I guess we agree.
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Logically, abortion is good for Haitians – and would’ve been great in the past.
Same for Ethiopia, Somalia…Detroit, etc.
Stating it is bad means that unlimited birth is good.
Well. Bring your checkbook then. Getting those types to stop fucking at age 11 is like trying to stop your roaming free shecat from fucking toms.
Still, it’s best to focus on what we agree on.
I’ll convince you later.
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I wish Bill Gates would fund the development of Male Pill instead of wasting his Billions of $ on malaria nets in africa. If he succeeded, he would be immortalized in history books in a way he can never be in his current incarnation.
What is it going to take for these pharma companies to focus their efforts on the male pill? If not in North America, then in Japan, China or India?
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Development of a “male pill” helps males by negating paternity.
Fixing Malaria in Third World shitholes gets you anointed by the MSM.
Like Haiti-Baby adoption.
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One small addition to my post about Massachusetts politics and growing men’s awareness. Martha Coakley was the State Attorney General there. She may not have played a direct part in the anti-male legislative manuevers like Creem, Peisch, et al but as AG she did gleefully enforce the current status quo family laws with gusto.
It was her goons that would do the arresting and locking-up of broke old men for things like alimony arrears.
Martha …you finally understand Karma!
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Stating it is bad means that unlimited birth is good.
The two are actually relatively unconnected.
Abortion isn’t actually a very effective means of “family planning”, as women who have it risk damaging their fertility. It’s better to just not get pregnant in the first place. May I make a note here that coitus interruptus is quite effect (failure rate around 4%). Married couples that wish to limit their fertility tend to be very good at doing so, even without abortion. That is why there have been numerous societies that experienced below-replacement level fertility rates even before the advent of feminism.
And if feminists were really serious about limiting fertility (rather than merely pro-abortion), they’d be giving out free tubal-ligations and vasectomies. But, you see, the emphasis is on choice, not fertility.
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My statement – in it’s deliberately uncomplicated language – makes them as connected as can be.
I waste no energy convincing people the sky is blue.
Nor, jousting at windmills.
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@Black&German
So you don’t believe in condom usage either? oh come on! now you’re destroying the only available means for a man to control his own destiny. Don’t let your divinely inspired beliefs get in the way of reducing men’s quality of life below what it already is.
Evengelicals rank third after manginas and feminazis as enemies of MRA.
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Well.
Just because the chosen Kennedean Democrat Heir was defeated
does not make it a victory for us.
The Republicans, perhaps.
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LOL. I’m Catholic, what do you expect?
Actually, I was just pointing out that no external intervention or purchases are necessary to control fertility and keep people who can’t feed their children from reproducing. A simple 30-minute explanation on basic biology would suffice.
I get your point, but condoms suck ass, man. Totally suck. Even all religious arguments aside, they just suck. Which is why even people who use condoms often “forget” them or think “just this one time”. Cause they suck.
But condoms are obviously much better than abortions, as far as the morality of birth control goes.
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OK, I’ll be nice for once.
Plenty of folks voted for Bush because he was
“Not Gore”
Meaning: Not Clinton.
Then…
Those same folks voted for Obama because he was “Not Bush”
Expecting a “non-liberal” candidate (whatever the fuck that is) to
“Write The Wrongs Now!”
in Massachusetts is a risky bet.
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@Black&German
the clear, transparent pre-cum liquid can easily get a girl pregnant and there is no way to “pull out just in time” for that. It seems you are the one who lacks the “30 minute explanation on basic biology”
the release of thick, viscous gooey cum is easy for a man to predict, but the pre-cum can sneak up on him like a fox in a hen house.
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How?
Decades of Catholic inculcation of God’s OWN Commandments against pre-marital sex…
and
The Pope’s orders against contraceptives
don’t even work
on you
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Firepower,
Somalia & Arizona
Population Density
(people per square mile)
Somalia 36.9
Arizona 45.2
GDP per capita & Average Income
(US dollars per year per person)
Somalia $ 298
Arizona $20275
Haiti and Puerto Rico
Population Density
(people per square mile)
Haiti 928
Puerto Rico 1154
GDP per Capita
(US dollars per year per person)
Haiti $716
Puerto Rico $24582
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Somalia%2C+Arizona+|+Income+per+Capita
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Somalia%2C+Arizona+|+Population+Density
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Haiti%2C+Puerto+Rico+|+GDP+per+Capita
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Haiti%2C+Puerto+Rico+|+Population+Density
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the clear, transparent pre-cum liquid can easily get a girl pregnant and there is no way to “pull out just in time” for that.
I know that. That’s why there’s 4% failure rate, even when it’s done correctly every time. My point is that condoms suck ass and you’re going to be better off with ci than with condoms because people might actually do it the majority of the time and there’s no external paraphernalia required.
Condoms suck ass. Any woman whose gotten to witness the spectacle of a fully-grown, well-educated, otherwise-sensible man begging and pleading and pulling out the “if you really loved me” card, or whose first child’s nickname is “damn, it broke!” can tell you that.
Firepower, the “safer sex” campaign didn’t work 100% on me either, or on most of the people I know. And I haven’t always been a true, believing Catholic.
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In case you havent seen THIS, it is worth watching. Funny too.
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Actually, you’ll be better off fucking a bitch bareback and when she gets pregnant due to her own stupidity, disappearing without a trace out of her life.
Every man should make it his mission, through his own actions, to speed up the deterioration of this shitty society as rapidly as possible so that we can start over.
I know I do my part.
PS: The fail rate of “pulling out” is not 4%, it 60%
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Toby, you’re so sweet. It’s people like you that truly give me hope for humanity. You must be a walking petri dish.
Anyway, the rate is 4%.
Just want to point out that condoms do make sense sometimes. Like for prositutes, when you are married to someone with an STD, etc. But telling people, “Go out and rut around indiscriminately as long as you wear a rubber.” is a very irresponsible message.
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1. For heavens sakes, guys, use condoms unless you’re married and/or want to have a kid. If you do not, you are fucking stupid and asking for big trouble. I’ve only had unprotected sex with one girl in my life and I got herpes. I’m lucky I didn’t catch worse or knock her up.
2. Don’t just buy shit Trojans off the shelf. Look at a large sex shop or an online condom dealer for a good brand. Condoms are getting pretty innovative, with modified insides and outs, and vibrators , and all kinds of good stuff.
3. Squirt a little bit of KY INSIDE the tip, then you’ll get more motion to the ocean in there.
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For heavens sakes, guys, use condoms unless you’re married and/or want to have a kid.
Well, of course. But the discussion was about married people having a lot of kids, not about fornicators passing around disease.
(In case anyone was getting the wrong idea.)
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I think many more people are exposed to herpes than actually develop symptoms. Evidently, getting cold sores (usually from HSV 1) confers some degree of immunity to genital herpes (usually HSV 2). If that’s the case, boy am I glad I’ve had a few cold sores in my day — I feel like I lucked out in avoiding the other kind, and that may well be why.
BTW, condoms won’t always protect from herpes, but they do apparently help.
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>Toby, you’re so sweet. It’s people like you that truly give me hope for humanity. You must be a walking petri dish.
Luckily for me, I only fuck F.O.H (fresh out of high school) girls. I’ve always stated men need to start being more selfish and pathological like today’s modern “enlightened” cunts.
The only way we’re going to bring attention to the fire is by fanning it’s flames and making it noticeable to society at large.
Do your part and help speed up the feminist process so that it may peak and collapse sooner.
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Welmer:
I’m also lucky because I’ve only had two mild outbreaks, ever, and they were years ago. I hear that often is the case with men.
Supposedly like 1 out of every 6 people in the US has genital herpes…
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Can I ask the women here in particular, especially the religious ones, how on earth did America breed a Martha Coakley?
As an outsider, my understanding is limited, but I think this woman is from a strong Catholic background. Women from her kind of community used to be a byword for strong and moral character. Good family women.
I don’t think Americans realise how much people from overseas used to admire American families.
How did a background like that produce a Martha Coakley in a generation? Strongly pro-abortion (partial birth included), pro-homosexual marriage, strongly feminist, career-obsessed, ruthless, cold. Even the little things, like keeping her maiden name. I can only imagine what her poor husband is like.
What went wrong? And why so quickly?
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Feminism happened. Very simple.
David, that woman is a Catholic in name only. “Catholic” is a term many people use that aren’t actually even Christians. I used to be just like her and called myself a Catholic. She lost her beliefs, plain and simple.
Luckily for me, I only fuck F.O.H (fresh out of high school) girls.
Is high school early enough? I was in high school once, 10 years ago. Even the “nice girls” from “nice families” were giving BJs in their boyfriend’s car and taking it up the…
It’s supposedly gotten better since then, but I bet it isn’t that much better.
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This silly talk of ‘abortions for Haiti’ or ‘abortions for our societal rejects’ needs to grind to a halt in short order. Abortion does nothing but hollow out the middle class, as those who will have abortions are the ones with prospects that need a full time working toward. Ain’t no worthwhile men’s movement gon’ survive on thugspawn. If you think game is tough, try convincing a bunch of lowest common denominator men to follow you.
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But can’t you see that it’s the boys’ fault for asking for such things? Such disgusting males, ugh.
LOL, Novaseeker. Sorry that I totally derailed your original post.
I’ll never forget sitting in Honors History listening to my female neighbors have a discussion on the pros and cons of shaving pubic hair. 9th grade.
Thank God we’re homeschooling.
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LOL B&G! Yes we went from Men’s Rights, to Herpes, and Lubricated Condoms in a Jiffy, no pun intended.
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very much disagree that election of a republican is a “victory for men’s rights”
like the demoncraps, the republicant party spent the past half-century stabbing the sons of this nation in the back, then chuckling on the way to the bank
fuck both the dragon’s wings
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ray:
It might be in this particular case.
Please see all the hundreds of posts here decrying chivalry and how the Repubs often kill men. They just do it slightly more humanely then the Dems do. But this particular man in this particular case, might be one of the very few who will overall try to do something..even a teeny bit..for men.
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“But seriously, how can you be pro men’s rights at the same time as being pro-choice? ”
Because not all men want to be fathers if they accidently get someone pregnant. Nor do they want to pay child support. That’s how.
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Just as not all women want to be mothers when they accidentally allow a sire to seed them and get pregnant as a result, yes?
The Catholic Church is afraid to excommunicate people anymore.
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Benedict has more balls than the last one (although I actually really liked the last one). He’s pretty hard-core and conservative and there’s a growing conservative revival going on in the Church. I’ve been getting similar vibes from the other catholic churches, as well.
I think they’ve realized that if you play nice with these people, they’ll walk all over you and turn you into a wimpy joke. Let the excommunications begin…
Because not all men want to be fathers if they accidently get someone pregnant. Nor do they want to pay child support. That’s how.
This one always gets a laugh from me. “Accidentally”? How do you get someone pregnant accidentally? Didn’t your mommy tell you about the birds and the bees? Women try that excuse all the time. I’m not buying it.
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A wise man once said,
“One should enjoy living in the last days a declining empire.”
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B&G…you could certainly call it “accidentally” if she has sex with you when you are passed out, or if the woman lies about taking birth control, or if the male is still essentially a child, or if the woman re-uses ejaculate originally inserted somewhere else. Of course, doing so under those circumstances ignores the malicious agency of the woman in the matter.
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Yeah, those are good examples (although not the Pill, as it’s not fool-proof). I was actually thinking of how a pregnancy could happen accidentally. Like sharing bathwater, or tripping in a nude sauna.
Anyway, the bigger point for men is this:
Our promiscuous society has separated motherhood from marriage and thereby encouraged illegitimacy. There’s no stigma attached to it anymore. So the very same men who are calling for “choice”, are going to get a rude awakening when one of their pump-n-dumps decides to “choose” to actually have his child and drags him to court for child support. Meanwhile, I know of two women who have had abortions without their husband’s knowledge.
Do you really think that a woman who treats her own body so badly and who would even consider murdering her own child, will give a rats ass about whether you’ve got to cough up some dough? Her behavior is already an obvious sign of her ruthlessness and callousness. She only cares about herself, that’s why she’s sleeping around in the first place. Do you think she’s going to care about you? Really? No, really?
Women will give up abortion before they’ll give up child support. But they’d rather have both. If the idea of her having your child, and being attached to her for life makes your lungs twist into a knot and your balls turn blue, then don’t have sex with her. It really is that simple. If you have sex often enough, with enough women, and you’re not sterile, one of them will probably eventually get pregnant. And they might not have an abortion.
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@Black&German
………ORRRRR she is having her baby so she can use some poor schmuck as her meal ticket for the next 18-20 years. Why earn a living when you can just force a man via legal gunpouint to financially support your shopping sprees and your afternoon sessions watching Oprah and eating bon bons?
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Toby, I hope you realize that you’re using similar arguments as skanks do against Game.
She doesn’t force you to have sex with her (unless you’ve been raped or it was a true freak accident). If you are knowledgeable about the possible legal and financial consequences of your actions and go ahead and do it anyway, then you can hardly claim to be duped. You are not an animal who is incapable of controlling your impulses.
It’s a completely different situation when you are married, and she leaves you and takes you to the cleaners. But if you aren’t married, you shag at your own risk. The children are the true victims in this, not the adults.
Here is my rendition of the world’s smallest violin playing “My heart bleeds for you.”
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I am not prepared to take a moral position in either direction on the general issue of abortion…there are some circumstances where I think that it is clear cut that it should occur (life of the mother in danger, rape victims and perpetrators), but I am not prepared to extend that to blanket protections allowing the practice.
That said, I see your point regarding the use of abortion as a tool for maintaining unequal control over reproduction (at least, I think you were trying to make this point); a position advocating “Choice for Men” is much more difficult to maintain than a pro-life position (which is largely morally self-consistent). However, the availability of effective birth control options for men will ultimately dramatically reduce the importance of this issue from a Men’s rights standpoint, leaving us with the uncertain moral position as the only relevant question.
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Abortion is like sending in the firefighters. Birth control is like having a fire alarm and an extinguisher. Chastity is the idea that you don’t smoke in bed when you’re drunk.
However, the availability of effective birth control options for men will ultimately dramatically reduce the importance of this issue from a Men’s rights standpoint
I wish you were right (I don’t actually want these people to reproduce and am grateful when they don’t), but I don’t know about that. There are very effective methods of birth control available for women, and illegitimacy keeps climbing. More effective male birth control would probably only lead to fertility being even more skewed in favor of the underclass.
The most effective methods are actually mainly used by people who are married or in a long-term relationship. Perhaps because people with enough foresight and care to find an appropriate partner for sex are going to be the prime market for such products. So, it’s sort of pointless, as far as reducing abortion rates go.
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You provided no explanation, but
if you’re promoting thinning the populations of those who outbreed their food supply – or generally, Puerto Ricans
You certainly
have my blessing for presenting such a convincing argument
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@ Firepower,
You know, I very rarely agree with anything you write (you’re shocked, I know). But you do have a knack for twisting people’s words and stuffing them back in their mouth.
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Thanks for saying
I’d make
the perfect husband.
I am flattered
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“One should enjoy living in the last days a declining empire.”
MGTOW ?
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The last really high profile excommunication was who? Napoleon?
If they excommunicate Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, I will be impressed.
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I can’t even remember the last.
They need to start looking for traitors and fronters and thinning out the ranks. There are so many pseudo-Catholics that make the rest of us look bad. We can make ourselves look bad without their help, thank you very much.
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“But this particular man in this particular case, might be one of the very few who will overall try to do something..even a teeny bit..for men.”
Clarence i hope youre correct
biden set the bar pretty high for self-loathing, so this guy brown at least has some slack :O)
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‘They need to start looking for traitors and fronters and thinning out the ranks.”
thatd leave the ranks awful thin indeed!
cant worship the goddess and God both, aint itabitch
idolatry no matter how many roses the statue sets around
mary is not the redemptrix nor intercessor nor ark of the covenant etc
post-medeival catholicism reminds me more of alchemy than father-faith
“There are so many pseudo-Catholics that make the rest of us look bad. We can make ourselves look bad without their help, thank you very much.”
ah, a fellow penitent!
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Ray,
It’s true that Catholicism went off the deep-end there for a bit, and became preoccupied with theological navel-gazing (most of which I can’t even comprehend, as it’s so obscure), but it’s coming back now and getting down to core values and core faith. That’s why I returned to the Church, and why the RCIA is doing brisk business.
And it is precisely for this reason that excommunication is becoming a topic again. Once you’re down to core values, it becomes more difficult to claim to belong to a group when you don’t believe those things. We’ve got people calling themselves Catholic who don’t even believe in outlawing partial-birth abortion (Mrs. Coakley), or who question the divinity of Jesus, or the trinity. It’s one thing to disagree on more minor issues. It’s another thing to crap all over your religion.
Throw the bums out. We don’t need them warming the benches and claiming Catholic to garner votes. And their childless selves can make room for our kids. It’s become standing-room only at Mass lately and we need the space. LOL.
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Look, firepower is just a garden variety racist that’s all
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I gotta garden. The guys who used to pick my cotton left the plantation to rape women with table legs then rape their boyfriends and set them on fire.http://pysih.com/2009/02/14/%C2%A0lamaricus-davidson-letalvis-cobbins-george-thomas-vanessa-coleman-and-eric-boyd/
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http://pysih.com/2009/02/14/%C2%A0lamaricus-davidson-letalvis-cobbins-george-thomas-vanessa-coleman-and-eric-boyd/
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he best way we as men can help Mr Brown is to keep in touch with him. Keep the misandrinous news articles coming his way and give him the incouragement to stay true to his campaign. What is going to happen when he gets to washington is the whole social machine of day to day life and politics will try to make him like any other spineless republican. If we truely want him to be different we have to be different. Make phone calls to local media giving support to the man. Get on fellow republicans to work to end this socialist slide we are in. Actively get rid of RINO’s even if it means a socialist get elected. Don’t settle for crap. And make sure they know we want an end to misandry.
As you can see reproductive rights is where it starts. Toby and Arbitrary are dead on that a male pill is the key. First off none of us here will ever know a world without misandry ,but our 2 to 4 year old sons may. The technology for a hormonal birth control pill is there. The leading company is sitting on it because it sees no market. I have an idea on how we as in you all reading this and myself can make this happen. On the internet there are thousands of blogs and web sites and each one has a following of regular posters. i don’t know how to do it but some how we need to get together to come up with a plan on how to get a male pill. Starting with a reason to have one. Develope a mission statement and sped the word to every dating site,mra blog, you tube blogger etc. to get a large block of men aware. We as a large group could generate enough money to get it out. I bet we could really damage the family court system, family planning, abortion and any other industry that relies on misandry to fund it. A 10 to 30 percent reduction in births out of wed lock due to the man handling things. Think of the power of not having to trust a woman to enjoy sex. Any woman to good to marry will not just be able to get pregnant to trap some guy. Get about 8 to 12 million femminist into their forties childless and see what happens. Think of you being one of those men able to finish school, not in court, able to a fews after dumping the femminist being able to marry a real woman without the bagage of some femminist using your child as a weapon against you.
Elite athletes,”gamers”, students, wealthy men, etc. would have control over their relationships they have with women.
I would love to see what you all think.
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Firepower is certainly a racist, but he’s our racist and we keep him around for his haiku-style writing.
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As a pro-choice politician Senator-elect Brown should have no problem understanding this: We are not seeking to deny women their own reproductive rights, but to give men the same rights (i.e. the so called “financial abortion”).
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”””””Black&German January 23, 2010 at 06:41
Firepower is certainly a racist, but he’s our racist and we keep him around for his haiku-style writing.”””””’
I would guess that you are racist against black people like most black people seem to be. Why did you move into a 97 percent white county again?
Why are a shitload of blacks getting the fuck out of dc?
It ain’t the whites they are running from it is the niggers.
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They also actually want their kids to grow up which they can do in a white area not get burned alive or shot for a fucking quarter or some such shit. I will be keeping tabs on where they relocate though because my hypothesis is that they can’t run away from themselves. Just like my hometown where they ran too from a big city. Well years later you have half my graduating class from public school dead or in jail. I guess it is not the promised land if you bring to many. Got to do like you did and just go by yourself should be fine.
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Oh come one gang, let’s keep race and racism out of this board, even when you say things as a joke. Especially since men’s rights is a civil rights issue too.
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Gunslinger,
It has nothing to do with race. Married couples with children tend to move where their kids will be safe and were there is employment. My parents live in PG County, which is majority-black and quite wealthy. But my husband found employment up here, instead. Being white and a foreigner, he suffered discrimination when applying for federal employment, so he had to move out of the government-city area, to where there is more civilian employment available.
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What I tell the black people around me the same thing. What are they gonna say? It is not true. It is true.
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Why is it safe where you are?
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I started dating a black chick to learn about them from the inside. I mean her parents had money too. Yet she can still rattle off a list of names of people that have been killed and burned and fucked up. Not to long ago another woman she knew was killed. I mean really wtf.
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from the inside Is that a pun?
It’s safe here for the same reason it is safe anywhere: high levels of stable marriages and little illegitimacy.
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Not to say all black people are bad but in concentrated form it is obviously a problem even for black people. They have fun but shit when all their friends start getting killed it is pretty good incentive to get the fuck out of dodge.
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Yea gods funny too since that is the one that is having my first baby to come into the world lol
She wouldn’t get an abortion he he he
I guess the glass half full part is it should be pretty easy for him/her to get a job in the future if he/she doesn’t get shot stabbed or burned alive.
Irony is a motherfucker.
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uh oh. go figure. a poster named “Black&German” accuses somebody of something. That combo is like, she wants to build a prison camp for folks like me – but just doesn’t feel like getting up early enough to break ground.
I’m not an “r word.” I love colored chicks who cook sauerbraten.
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Okay, that made me laugh. It was plain Rinderbraten today, not Sauerbraten. Why are you refraining from haikus now? I liked them. Paragraphs are so last century.
Gunslinger’s first kid is Black&Gunslinger.
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Which should happen sometime after 2050–about the time the Boomers start to die off en masse.
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Rinderbraten? Plain old Rinderbraten? Mutti’s favorite.
Now I know
you’re trying to get
in mein lederhosen
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It was actually really funny to me that you mentioned Sauerbraten, because when me parents came over for dinner my mother poked at her meat and complained that it hadn’t been marinated. I spoil her terribly. She had me grating Spaetzle by hand last week.
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To Black&German:
No man is forced to have sex, but no woman is forced to have sex either. If men are aware of the consequences of having sex but choose to do so anyway, then they should learn to live with the consequences of their actions.
Fair enough. But shouldn’t women also be required to live with the consequences of THEIR actions. Why are they the only ones who can legally cop out. And why should women be given all the choices and men none. Yet this is what feminism advocates. This is a very ironic position from people who preach equality.
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