According to the Daily Mail, Mirko Fischer, a 33-year-old hedge fund manager, was sitting in the middle seat between his pregnant wife and a 12-year-old boy when a flight attendant appeared and sternly asked him to move. Fischer explained that he didn’t want to move away from his pregnant wife, but the flight attendant only grew angry, raising his voice and demanding that Fischer move, saying that the plane would not take off unless he did so.
Shamed and humiliated, Mr. Fischer agreed to the move, but the incident bothered him so much that he decided to file suit against British Airways to force them to change their policy of not allowing men to sit next to children on airplanes. Fischer sees the policy as blatant anti-male discrimination, stating:
This policy is branding all men as perverts for no reason. The policy and the treatment of male passengers is absolutely outrageous.
Indeed.
The system-wide hatred of men in the Anglosphere has reached such a level that men are not even trusted in a confined place surrounded by hundreds of other people to behave themselves around children. Perhaps next will be a policy in which grown men can only sit in the back of airplanes, separated from the rest of the passengers by a sheet of ballistic glass with a few airholes and a slot through which the meals are shoved…
One might think that, where safety is concerned, having a man around might actually be good for children. Say an airplane crash landed and all was bloody chaos, fire and mayhem. Wouldn’t a child have a better chance of being saved by an adjacent man than a much weaker, slower woman? Apparently, however, the irrational fear that the man might have dirty thoughts outweighs all other considerations in this upside down world.
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Well…at least I know never, ever to purchase a ticket to any where on British Airways.
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I say again: feminists make little or no distinction between criminals and men in general.
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Falling Down! This thing we call culture will end violently.
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I believe the same policy exists in NZ.
The best way to fight this: don’t fly on British Airways.
And then , you can sue the company for discrimination.
Other startegies can be used, like certain phone calls…
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Hey, you Chicken Littles.
righty right i say. Keep the lads safe.
Since the Empire fell,
Upper Class British men
do display a penchant
for boy buggery
FREE PETE TOWSHEND
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Guys, I’m shocked and appalled. In a time of hysteria, men should not even be allowed on planes unless they turn in their rapegun (formerly known as penis) to nearest representative of matriarchy.
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Had he been Muslim, on the other hand, they would have been disinclined to question even far more troubling behavior in-flight.
PC = Paralyzed Cerebrum.
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If he were Muslim, a Brit airline is required to provide him with a private shoe-bomb assembly area, albeit, in coach.
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Remember: all men are potential rapists (and all women are potential prostitutes).
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wonder how many of the informed, here
remember the crazy Scottish airport car fire bombing
pip, pip – all is forgiven. Sorry for all the ‘bloody wog’ business old chap – have a few terror bombings on the house!
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Qantas and Air New Zealand have the same policies, and as far as I know, refuse to discuss or amend them.
We, of course, retain the right to refuse to use them.
I can’t say that I actually want to be seated next to children, but I would much prefer to be tell the airlines what my seating preferences are, rather than have them impose theirs on me based on a scandalous and outrageous sexual stereotype.
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It’s my understanding that most airlines have had an unwritten policy of not seating unaccompanied minors next to men for quite some time. Does anybody know if this is true?
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@Icaros201o “potential” prostitutes??
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POTENTIAL prostitutes??
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Wouldn’t surprise me. However, I flew a few times alone as a minor and I remember being seated next to some very kind men.
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I have just travelled with British Airlines. The last time I fly with this airline. ‘Nough said.
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Nearly had this problem aboard US Airways myself. They did not say as much, but I was aware of this policy’s existence in several airlines (not sure about US Airways in particular though). My assigned seat put me next to an unaccompanied girl of eight or nine.
Fortunately, there were several empty seats. The flight attendant pulled her away from me and put her in an empty row. Again, she did not say anything, but I got the distinct impression it was not merely trying to give us both more leg room.
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I remember reading a children’s story I about a boy travelling alone, having conversations with the man seated next to him about the sky, how everything was so small on the ground, etc. Nowhere in the book was there an underlying assumption that flying alone was a dangerous thing, nor that the man was a pedophile. I think even hinting at such would have been considered scandalous back in those days. Interesting how times have changed.
More evidence that modern society is sick, and sickly misandrist.
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I have no sympathy for this guy and I’ll tell you why:
He’s a mangina.
First, he could have simply ordered his wife to switch seats with him so he wasn’t sitting next to the boy.
Second, no self-respecting and reasonably intelligent businessman gets married, let alone impregnates a woman, in this day and age. i count myself in that category.
Third, I read in the Daily Mail article, that he will donate his settlement (if he wins the case) to a politically correct child abuse bureaucracy. I would not be surprised if his chosen charity lobbies the government for more nanny state laws that demonize men and children.
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Anti-harassment (and “equal opportunity”) laws are usually framed in gender-neutral terms (though not necessarily implemented in such terms). The very same laws implemented to favor women can generally also be used by men in situations such as this… though a man’s reception by the powers that be will not be as favorable, but it’s fun to watch them squirm.
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Perhaps given the 9/11 hijackers were male, and the obvious rash of molestations committed by men on airplanes that the misogynistic media has buried from the publics eye, we should just quit letting men get on planes at all.
Perhaps it is time to start entertaining the idea of exterminating them.
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to the people using sarcasm to make their point, please dont. I do not believe that it is a good way to get our/your point across.
I read some posts here on the spearhead that are sarcastic, and at first I think its male-bashing, untill It becomes rediculous, and then I realize it is not.
But before that realization, it subconciously reinforces the stereotype of a typical male news story. only those that know better (us) understand that it is sarcasm, the uneducated casual reader may not get the sarcasm. It makes no ground to make me angry, its everyone else that needs to first understand the problem, and sarcasm doesnt initiate that.
Give it to em straight, it hits home harder.
regards to my brothers, from the UK.
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piercedhead said…
When the QANTAS policy came to light in 2006 Australia’s federal Equal Opportunity Commissioner – I believe it was Pru Goward – responded by saying it was a “good idea”.
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@ Peter UK
I am sure your advice will be heeded and sarcasm will never rear it’s ugly face in here again.
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Dr. Paul January 16, 2010 at 18:02
@ Peter UK
I am sure your advice will be heeded and sarcasm will never rear it’s ugly face in here again.
I may be wrong, but you appear to be a female posting as male.
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Please, allow everybody to express his/her opinions freely: sarcasm included. Free speech is free speech.
Peter UK: I will fight for your rights to speak your mind, even though we may disagree.
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Dr. Paul January 16, 2010 at 18:02
@ Peter UK
I am sure your advice will be heeded and sarcasm will never rear it’s ugly face in here again.
Dr Paul I think your a female imposter, posing as a male.
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rebel:
sarcasm is a female language trait.
I get the disttinct impression Dr Paul is female, I have a sixth sense about these things.
Even if Im wrong, Im still right about sarcasm being somrthing we as men should avoid to make our point. It is confusing. We need to be straight talkers.
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Dr. Ru Paul (transvestite)
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further, any man (or post) that uses sarcasm should be treated as female and disregarded.
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Next time you take a flight, and happen to be seated next to a woman, asked to be moved. Tell the flight attendant that you wish to do so on the grounds of hygiene safety. Say that, it is your understanding that all women are potential prostitutes, and you would rather not take the chance being seated next to her, fearing you may catch something, should she accidentally cough on, or touch you.
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@ Peter UK
I don’t know if there’s a concrete set of rules on what manhood is. But, I do know this:
Real men don’t dick monitor other men…..
Nor do they question another one’s manhood.
And questioning the manhood of a well-known and well-respected figure in the MRA/MGTOW movement is……for lack of a better term…….
BAD STYLE.
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“…a MALE steward asked Mr Fischer to change his seat.”
Why are there sooooo many men that are sell outs?!?
There shouldnt be any men working for British Airways.
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(Not mentioning the smell…)
Wouldn’t this be sarcasm, or do I misunderstand the meaning of the word?
Sarcasm is a form of humor. Isn’t humor a male characteristic? Do you know any “funny” woman?
There aren’t many, you know…
George Carlin.. who doesn’t know him? Isn’t he sarcastic? Even caustic? Sometimes acid?
When he talks about saving the planet….or being in Detroit. And Bill Maher when he talks about women’s lib, isn’t he sarcastic? I do think so.
And what is a real man? Are there false men?
Who defines us? I know who I am. And so do you.
And now this:
Dr Paul: ARE YOU A WOMAN? Yes or no?
Show your colours, please. So we will know.
If you are a woman, then I know you were serious: not sarcastic and I dismiss what you say as irrelevant, but if you are a man, then you should better explain what you meant. Please do.
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Dr. Paul IS a well known MRA–of at least the stature of Zed. Please would the younguns chill out!
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he could have simply ordered his wife to switch seats with him so he wasn’t sitting next to the boy.
My immediate reaction was to wonder why he didn’t do that. Seems like that would solve the problem.
And of course, one wonders, if it’s a problem, why didn’t they move the kid???
How in the Hell is anyone ever going to get molested on a plane? There are dozens of people all around you, and the kid has a button on his seat to push to summon a flight attendant, how could anything possibly happen? In this case, the guy was also sitting next to his wife, and it’s a pretty ballsy molester that’s going to try anything with her sitting right there. Sheesh, once again liberal insanity trumps common sense.
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Sorry, I’d have looked at the attendant, asked, “is there a reason I can’t sit next to my wife” in a loud voice, and waited for the answer. And then still refused to move. Damned if the plane leaves or not.
Looks like most of the comments at the article thinks it’s idiotic to do this as well.
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You know thinking about it, if I was asked to change my seat in a situation such as this. I would decline the request on principle.
I would however, suggest re-seating the child as a workable solution to the situation.
Seating arrangements should be sorted at the time of booking. No man should be embarrassed or humiliated with such a request ever… period!
Taking this action, would be defending my male psyche from a very real external attack. In short, and to the point, I would take said action… because I am a Man.
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I noticed something about this incident :
All of the participants were male.
The steward was a man. The boy supposedly at risk was male.
There was virtually no female impact on this incident at all. Feminism has done such a thorough job that women are not even needed to oppress men.
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@ Rebel
“Dr Paul: ARE YOU A WOMAN? Yes or no?”
Are you really going to read one post by a troll and chime in with a silly question? Yes or No?
Seriously, though. Think about it this way. And I will answer you because the troll isn’t worthy of my time. Here is a piece of Welmers OP
“Perhaps next will be a policy in which grown men can only sit in the back of airplanes, separated from the rest of the passengers by a sheet of ballistic glass with a few airholes and a slot through which the meals are shoved”
Sounds a tad sarcastic, does it not. She we be asking Welmer if he is a she?
Really people, this site is one of the best I have ever seen when it comes to the intelligence of contributors and commenters alike. It’s a free speech zone, but I suggest keeping the rent higher than some moron inferring they can determine sex by whether someone is sarcastic.
I’d rather leave that to the fembots.
Thanks to HQR3 for the kind words.
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Yes, indeed. The average male is used as muscle for the wrong forces.
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Air travel now days has all the allure ,akin to a flying dumpser.
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Air travel now days has all the allure, akin to a flying dumpster…
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The Fifth Horseman-
“There was virtually no female impact on this incident at all. Feminism has done such a thorough job that women are not even needed to oppress men.”
Indeed. Prolonged oppression(external) leads to internalized oppression over time.
Internalized oppression: “In sociology and psychology, internalized oppression is the manner in which an oppressed group comes to use against itself the methods of the oppressor. For example, sometimes members of marginalized groups hold an oppressive view toward their own group, or start to believe in negative stereotypes of themselves.
For example, internalized racism is when members of Group A believe that the stereotypes of Group A are true and may believe that they are less intelligent or academically inferior to other groups of people.
Any social group can internalize prejudice.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression#Internalized_oppression
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Haven’t read much of the site, eh?
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Ah, Pru Goward, yet another fine, upstanding woman supporting “equality” for all.
/sarcasm, just for PeterUK and for the record, I have double-X chromosomes.
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Can I just make a point to regular posters on this site. I would like to think some of you will have read some of them. I just want to point out that I am not the same person as anyone else who uses Paul as part of their name. So I hope I will not be confused with anybody else. I only use Paul as my name as that is in fact what I am called.
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I am gonna have to go with the airlines on this one guys.
The truth, female paedohile ‘MO’ still relies heavily on a bit of familiarity, while lots of male paedophiles pick on complete strange kids.
Look at all femlae paedophiles cases, they rely heavily on building up a bit of familirty with the minors, while male paedophiles take on complete stranger kids. Based purely on the MO this is not such a bad thing.
The most recent case here in Australia (actually its been over a year now, but still), some freak followed a 7 year girl into the womens toilet in a busy mall (A VERY PUBLIC PLACE!!!!!) and not only did this monster molest her, he also murdered her.
I know i know, what are the odds of this happening on a plane? But still male paedohiles are huge risk taking monsters. I have a young son and yes, i’ll feel safer if he was seated beside a woman on plane thank you very much.
Atleast with a woman, i can catch the bitch while she tries to coach him on facebook or the internet before shes ready for the final move, male paedophiles are more opportunistic.
Plenty of sick freaks out there who wil attempt shit even on a plane. I mean look at all the not so sick mile high club freaks!!! Waht if its a paedo with that kind of fantasy.
Flame me all you want better safe than sorry.
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peterUK,
It isn’t. They just misuse and overuse it to the point where it is sickening.
Real sarcasm, the type usually used by men, is clever and makes a point. It’s a male language trait. Sometimes I do have to wonder if women have never developed a sense of irony as men have, because they seem that much worse at being sarcastic. Cringemakingly so.
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And whose safety is being compromised when we treat common men like lepers?
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The Caliph-
“I know i know, what are the odds of this happening on a plane?”
I think that an important question. So folks, what do you think the odds are? One in a million… two million?
I’ve never heard of a case of child molestation on a plane. Maybe some of the feminists amongst us could enlighten the readers, as to how many children have been reported molested on flights since the inception of commercial air travel.
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@Caliph
If airlines wish to protect children then might I suggest that they either seat them on their own, or with other children, and/or refuse to allow children to travel on their planes unless accompanied by their official guardians.
But what is not acceptable is for them to stir up suspicion in the eyes of others against all men by pointedly refusing to allow unaccompanied children to sit next to them.
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@Caliph
Would you also prefer to have no male teachers teaching your children?
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No, they couldn’t. It’s not their job to educate us.
It’s their job to provide argument without a single scrap of evidence, and then instruct us to go forth and find our own evidence which will support their case – and until we do that, they won’t hear a word from us.
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I guess this female paedophiles is a new one to you, female peadophiles will do just about anything for a trill.
Here is a video of Sandra Cantu this was the last video of her alive, she was found in a suit case dead and sexually molested by this woman but the wonderful thing is the state is going after the death penalty for her. I hope she doesn’t get a vagina pass from the death penalty, she needs to die!
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@Caliph
Guess I just found another white knight on here (via your blatant support of misandric ‘policy’). This is the sort of bullshit that men are forced to put up with everywhere. If I want to visit a park with my son, we receive the ‘cautious stare’ from women there because we are two men alone. Suggest you wake up. Looks like you’ve bought the feminist lie–hook, line and sinker.
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@Caliph
Might I suggest that you take a woman with you everywhere you go to avoid any undue ‘suspicion’ as to your motives and intent. She can be your nanny babysitter.
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Whenever this happens to me, I just give them the ol’ “rape-eye” until they look away in fear.
They have no one to blame but themselves.
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@Caliph
So what’s it like to live in fear and be afraid of boogeymen behind every corner?
You must live a very scared and frightened life to display the kind of worldview in your post, assuming that you are not trolling or otherwise bullshitting. With this kind of example, I’d lay odds that your son will grow up to be a coward like his father.
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I don’t think this is an anti-male thing, though the fact that it is so easy to discriminate against men is a bit em… off. I think this is more our culture being obsessed with pedophilia.
It’s the same reason that missing white girls get so much media attention regardless of how actually important they are, the reason why creepy, sketchy commentators are writing about Jon Benet Ramsey years after the case is over.
A cultural lolita complex?
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Oh how we stumble and bumble upon each other
dizzy and deep we cross each others feet
and trip on top of our manly bluster
no, no, I’m on top, its my turn to speak
and in the raucous uproar our voice is smothered
As someone who still misses a lot of sarcasm in face to face conversations (I surprisingly catch it much more easily in the written word) I must say that I am pro-sarcasm. Anything that rhymes with orgasm is good with me. I like words. They’re silly.
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This is true, but look at who is discriminated against because of it – look at who is considered guilty by reason of penis.
I.e. not women, who are pedophiles in significant numbers, as society is only just now coming around to. Perhaps as many, if not more, pedophiles are women than men.
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What kind of fear and self-loathing is society instilling in boys and young men by telling them that it isn’t safe to sit next to a man? Telling them the very thing they are on the verge of becoming is dangerous to society?
Society bombards boys with the message of “being a man” and when they become one they are treated like rapists and child molesters.
No wonder wimpy, wishy-washy girly man-boys out there! They are afraid to become men because society, and their single mothers, raised them to fear men.
One of the great sorrows of my life used to be that I don’t have any children. Not any more.
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@David Brandt
Might I suggest that you take a woman with you everywhere you go to avoid any undue ’suspicion’ as to your motives and intent. She can be your nanny babysitter.
It didn’t help in this case. He was sitting next to his wife. She obviously didn’t bother to step in and say something against this. I seriously doubt that anyone Caliph would take with him, would throw him to the wolves. I know I would.
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I had a quick search of the net, and I did managed to find two accusations of child molestation on flights between 2001-2007. I was unable to find any actual convictions.
I also came across this article in my search, you may find of interest: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231238,00.html
It’s dated Tuesday, November 21, 2006.
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The Caliph January 17, 2010 at 02:08: Plenty of sick freaks out there who wil attempt shit even on a plane. I mean look at all the not so sick mile high club freaks!!! Waht if its a paedo with that kind of fantasy.
It is this kind of attitude that has lead to the steady deterioration of our rights. The concept of presumption of innocence is completely alien to these “for the children” types.
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I have two young sons and I think you are an utterly contemptible imbecile. I would have no problem with either of them flying solo seated next to a strange man.
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It has nothing to do with British Airways on its own and everything to do with the dirty, indecent and shameless way the majority of males in the pan-anglosphere have allowed and themselves insisted that fellows of their own gender to be treated. That is with the supreme chauvenist bigotts assumption by the majortity of males that other males are unworthy and sexually disreputable.
British airways is only extending and applying the existing culture of internalised contempt for males by males, as every other institution in the panaglosphere does.
It is ironically appropriate reward and just deserts for pan-anglosphere males, if they receive as a result of their own attitudes towards their own sex, that consequence which befits prudes, cynics and hyppocrites. Especially when they cast themselves as having a legitimate right to intrude with authority over other peoples children and other peoples women.
Good for them. Their filthy minds conmcerning their own genderclass is now creating a blowback that harms themselves most of all.
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i think the caliph does protest too much … he does seem to possess ensyclopedic knowledge of what pedofiles are like, hmm?
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@ finsalscollons
catalanoparlant?
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@POIUYT
Excellent response, and I concur. Yes indeed. Loudly call it for what it is. Vehemently show our utter loathing, disgust and contempt for such behaver. Shame such beliefs, attitudes and behaviors in like males. Name them, call all those who enforce such attitudes, as the enemies of Men.
Systematic shame and ridicule were used as tools to undermine Men. Let these same tools be used for our liberation. Poison in… poison out.
Damn them all to hell!
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And REMEMBER Men! Always spell “behavior” correctly.
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I e-mailed BA asking if this was their policy toward men. If it was, then BA wasn’t for me as I have no intention of placing myself in such a situation. Still waiting for a reply so it seems it is policy. I switched to American Airlines. Maybe if they had a few thousand e-mails there might be a policy shift?
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Behaviour *
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Thank you Snark… you prick!
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I lol’d.
‘Behaviour’ is the UK spelling.
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@Snark
The UK spelling you say? Impressive! Well… I can tell you’re special Snark… gifted. Keep it up, and you will most assuredly, end up at the front of the class… and in arms reach (grin).
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I was explaining why it was ‘misspelled’, in your view, per your
I assumed you did not know this, or would not have made this comment in the first place.
zel, hostilities had ceased.
If you are offended, take a time out. Because, speaking of ‘reaching’ … your last post certainly was.
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Hey, just it was just a little more fun for me Snark. I wasn’t at all bothered. You would have done better to have taken it with the humor with which it was intended.
Never mind. Sometimes it hit or miss… peace.
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I had this reply from BA;
“This procedure is not meant to cause offence to our male passengers, nor is it meant to imply that all men are a danger to children. It is there as a precaution in the best interests of the welfare of our young passengers flying alone and will also protect male passengers from being the subject of false accusations.”
So there you have it, BA is protecting men from false allegations. Of course, this also implies children can make false allegations, so why are they allowed to travel with ANY adult?
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zel,
Now I’m confused as to which one of us was unnecessarily offended.
mariner,
Better that they make false accusations against women than men. Wait, did I just say that? Whoops, that just slipped out there. Maybe it has something to do with my belief that, by preventing children from sitting next to men, BA reinforces a culture which tarnishes all men as rapists and pedophiles, and people may actually take action to change this only if women become similarly falsely accused in great numbers.
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Thank you mariner. BA have an odd policy considering more children are killed, and abused at the hands of women each year.
Read stats here: http://dreamcatchersforabusedchildren.com/?page_id=81
If men had rights, BA’s policy would be in breach of them.
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@Snark
What do you want me to say Snark? I’ve heard that confusion sometimes happens. It could very well be an age thing? Geez, I don’t know. Maybe you could, you know… talk to someone about it(grin).
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As a result of a warm debate going on at MENZ,
one contributor has called around the various airlines to ask what their policy was with respect to seating men next to children on their flights. He’s collated his results into this
table.
This is an ongoing effort and the airlines surveyed are those that serve the South Pacific. If you can be bothered emailing an airline near you with the question:
“Does your airline have a policy that children and teenagers who are unaccompanied by parents or caregivers cannot sit next to men?”
you could email their response to Wayne at midnz2004@xtra.co.nz and it will be posted up with all the other airline responses.
Don’t bother if you’re just fine with sitting at the back of the bus.
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Fascinating, I prefer to sit next to children as it makes the time pass quickly. I rather like children. They are pure of spirit and the most wonderful human beings to interact with.
They really are a joy to the world… I get embarrassed to watch them as intently as I would like because people will think I want to have sex with them….. I don’t understand why. But I know people think this way about men…This is my personal experience now. I don’t know about other men but in the back of my mind it is there, that they think I’m going to attack and harm a child….This is what men do after all right, harm children????
Watching children play, especially on my walks in the park has always been a sincere joy to me. I feel that men are becoming increasingly isolated, trapped and alone… I see articles about wanting to kill all males off in academic newspapers. Women speak openly of it….??!! On the BBC as well….
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@ piercedhead – Thank you for posting the information above.
As already stated by piercedhead, I have contacted many airlines and posed the question/recorded their answer to ascertain whether they profit from men while also discriminating against them.
Rather than emailing me with your own results you may post those results here (registration is not required) and I will add that information to the Airline Discrimination Table. You will see from my table that there are still airlines who are not bigoted despite the pressures from extremist feminist ideology. Don’t give your hard-earned money to a bigot! Fly with an airline that isn’t a man-hater.
You are all invited to send emails to airlines in your parts of the World, asking the relevant question, and to submit those results for me to add to the soMENi Bigoted Airlines page.
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Bob: USAirways does indeed have this highly misandric policy themselves. They confirmed it through a statement on ABC’s Good Morning America about two years ago when there was a story run about the systematic treatment of men as potential predators.
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