Amidst Haiti Disaster, Women’s Groups Seek to Deny Relief to Men

by W.F. Price on January 14, 2010

This week’s devastating earthquake in Haiti, which struck near Port au Prince, has led to countless tragedies on the impoverished island, and is a disaster that may rival the recent Sichuan quake in China. The damage struck indiscriminately, killing young and old, rich and poor, and man and woman alike.

However, some relief groups have decided that women deserve more aid, and have come up with a number of reasons why men should be left to die from injuries and disease while women get preferential treatment.

Quoted in Salon.com in an article titled Why “women and children first” persists, Elaine Enarson (probably a Swedish woman), cofounder of the Gender and Disaster Network (“Calling for a gendered approach in disaster risk reduction”), explains why men are to be excluded:

Women in general will be in need of “hygiene supplies, continued access to birth control/reproductive health services”

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Women “are central actors in family and community life,” says Enarson, and are more likely to know “who in the neighborhood most needs help — where the single mothers, women with disabilities, widows and the poorest of the poor live.”

Another women’s relief program, MADRE, has joined the relief effort to help women only, and is employing a similar rationale for doing so, stating:

“Women are often more integrated and more aware of the vulnerabilities of their communities.”

Besides these questionable assumptions, and leaving out the fact that a large number of men are bound to become single fathers as a result of their wives dying in the quake, Enarson takes it a step further, saying that providing relief to women only is a means to prevent rape and domestic violence:

They are “at increased risk of gender-based violence, especially domestic violence and rape but also forced marriage at earlier ages” due to their increased dependence on men for protection and support…

So now when men provide women with protection and support they are suspected rapists, child molesters and batterers? Are these strange, foreign women more trustworthy than Haitian girls’ fathers, brothers and grandfathers? I try to refrain from inserting my opinion when I am writing these news pieces, but Ms. Enarson is making one of the most offensive insinuations possible with the above statement, and she is dead wrong. It is matriarchal societies where women cannot rely on men for support in which women face the most danger.

Women's groups: this man endangers daughter by supporting her

That these women’s groups are heading to a disaster area with the same anti-male agenda with which we are so familiar should be cause for outrage.

It is not clear whether such discrimination in the wake of disaster is legal in Haiti. In any event, if men are needlessly dying because these women’s groups are hoarding supplies for women only, the Haitian government should send troops in to seize the supplies and distribute them equally to needy men and women alike. That would be a true act of mercy.

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Zeta January 14, 2010 at 11:48

How am I not surprised? When you attack men from birth, across all avenues, and the average person is exposed to these attacks literally thousands of times per year – anything goes. Men are considered subhuman for all intents and purposes, as proven here.

Hey, at least we’re not paying for our own disenfranchisement, right? Oh wait…

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Soap January 14, 2010 at 12:05

I don’t have the words to express my disgust and outrage at this.

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zimmy January 14, 2010 at 12:06

It’s ironic that feminists embrace the traditional “women and children first” culture which seems to be alive and well. After all, what happened to equal rights and equal protection, you know, those fair minded virtues that feminists supposedly believe in?

Feminist double-standards just keep on coming, and coming, and coming.

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Firepower January 14, 2010 at 12:06

MTV will run a telethon
and the discrimination
will be funded

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piercedhead January 14, 2010 at 12:29

How to create class warfare 101. These feminists are seeing their opportunity and working it. And as soon as Haitian women see other women as being critical providers and their own men impotent, their loyalty will switch overnight. No, sooner than that.

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Black&German January 14, 2010 at 12:37

They have no shame.

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E. Steven Berkimer January 14, 2010 at 12:53

In any event, if men are needlessly dying because these women’s groups are hoarding supplies for women only, the Haitian government should send troops in to seize the supplies and distribute them equally to needy men and women alike.

And if one single man dies from lack of supplies, anyone working for these groups should be arrested and tried for murder.

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Rebel January 14, 2010 at 12:55

I am speechless. Totally disgusting and , most of all, completely INHUMAN,

FEMINISTS HAVE NO SOUL.

THEY- HAVE- NO- SOUL.

They are below animals. They are below insects. They are creatures of pure evil. They are, quite simply. no more than a waste of skin.

They are shit.

Yurk!!!

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Snark January 14, 2010 at 13:01

How can they expect help, when they need it, from any man now?

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E. Steven Berkimer January 14, 2010 at 13:04

A little off topic, but this exemplifies exactly how misandrist things have become:

http://www.slate.com/id/2241132/pagenum/2

Notice in this letter to Prudence, her response. The letter writer goes out of their way to make everything gender neutral, and Prudence, almost immediately calls the controller in that family, a man.

And we seem surprised by these relief groups that will help only women, when it has been cemented in feminised countries that men aren’t important. I agree they are disgusting, but surprising?

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E. Steven Berkimer January 14, 2010 at 13:04

Sorry,

check out the letter from Boston at the bottom of the page.

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Kevin K January 14, 2010 at 13:14

The link was to Salon.com, not Slate.com. Very sad either way.

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Welmer January 14, 2010 at 13:20

The link was to Salon.com, not Slate.com. Very sad either way.

Oops. I’ve been having a few headaches with the server move. Hard to keep the concentration on editing.

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Hestia January 14, 2010 at 13:58

I could possibly be on board with the idea that women may better know where the most vulnerable people are IF, and ONLY IF, these most vulnerable also included widowers, single fathers, impoverished men, elderly men, and disabled/sick men as well as women. If these aid groups would get over their gender nonsense and use the strengths of men and women, more people could receive aid and help. Women might know better where the help is needed but men can better provide the necessary assistance. Combine force and cooperate for best results. What is going on right now is sick and distressing. As if this disaster were not tragic enough already.

My uncle and aunt are medical missionaries who were on furlough in the US, but they have gone to Haiti to provide whatever assistance they can. He is a doctor and she is a nurse. Just picture the outrage if these two and others like the denied assisting women. Why outrage doesn’t exist when the tables are turned in beyond me.

I am also at a loss as to why birth control and access to reproductive services (Am I bold to assume this means abortion?) would even be that pressing of a matter right now in Haiti. Do these feminists, in all their goddess wisdom and glory, not realize search & rescue, medical care, distribution of food and other life necessities are of the utmost importance right now, not pushing their political agenda? We all know feminists are out of touch with reality, but this is a better example than usual. Tragic it’s coming at such a great cost.

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acpeterro January 14, 2010 at 14:01

Not to worry. GDN and MADRE will be late on the scene with a little bit of food and a lot of contraceptives and counselling. Noisy little publicity-seekers who will make not a drop of difference either way – that will be done by bringing in heavy equipment and clean drinking water, setting up field hospitals, and probably establishing martial law. Mostly accomplished by men.

The ladies at GDN and MADRE would do well to contemplate what happens to women and children when men don’t look after them: if men were not acting benevolently, GDN and MADRE could not act at all.

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Hawaiian Libertarian January 14, 2010 at 14:08

These are the perfect representations to validate the legitimate use of the term “Femi-nazis” if there ever was one.

I hope their plane crashes on the way to Haiti.

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Max January 14, 2010 at 14:10

I think young Haitian mothers will be fine. The quake didn’t hit Miami . . .

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piercedhead January 14, 2010 at 15:02

I hope their plane crashes on the way to Haiti.

Better still, I hope it gets blown off course and makes a crash landing on a castaway island somewhere, the women-only crew/passengers all survive, they have to get by as best they can for a year with no men around, and at least one of them records what happens (because I wouldn’t be counting on any of them to still be alive to tell the tale).

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Fiercely Independent John Nada January 14, 2010 at 15:16

***
LOL, why such outrage? Seriously, did you REALLY expect anything different?

I’ve said it before, Entitlement Materialist Feminism has the choke on the minds of most 1st World Females sunk deeper than a Gracie Jiu Jitsu black belt.

This generation and the next 2 are burnt like Roman Meal toast.

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zed January 14, 2010 at 15:41

If these aid groups would get over their gender nonsense and use the strengths of men and women, more people could receive aid and help.

But, getting aid and help to anyone is not on the agenda of any of these groups, it is just a pretense for their political agenda.

They are “at increased risk of gender-based violence, especially domestic violence and rape but also forced marriage at earlier ages” due to their increased dependence on men for protection and support…

In the middle of a catastrophic situation, when the vast majority of people are just doing what they can to stay alive, the “gender-based violence, especially domestic violence and rape” drum must be pounded – lest anyone forget for even one split second, while they are focused on, you know, helping people, that all men are violent and potential rapists lurking among the wreckage looking for some poor helpless girl or woman to rape.

And, horror of horrors, a few men might actually help some of these women out, leading to “increased dependence on men for protection and support…”, fer gawd sakes, we simply can’t have that!!! How dare those men try to protect and support women who need it?!?!?!!!! See, that just proves how evil they all are!!!

Someone so crass and soulless as these people who would use a tragedy like this to advance their political agenda makes it easier to understand the old practice of burning at the stake. Some people simply forfeit their membership card in the human race.

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Mr.M January 14, 2010 at 15:53

Seems these women have trouble coming to grips with how physically inferior they are to men on the average, especially in time of crisis.

Why else would there be so much fear mongering and drum pounding?

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Gunslingergregi January 14, 2010 at 16:12

””””””’I am also at a loss as to why birth control and access to reproductive services (Am I bold to assume this means abortion?) would even be that pressing of a matter right now in Haiti. Do these feminists, in all their goddess wisdom and glory, not realize search & rescue, medical care, distribution of food and other life necessities are of the utmost importance right now, not pushing their political agenda? We all know feminists are out of touch with reality, but this is a better example than usual. Tragic it’s coming at such a great cost.

””””””’

Well the guys I am sure are handling all the life saving shit so all the feminists really need to do is hand out the pill.

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iron clad January 14, 2010 at 16:13

How women hate equality…But nature (NOT”MOTHER”Nature…but plain ole nature) doesn’t really give a shit. See…nature loves equal opportunity…bars none…Natural disasters seem to be the only time and place where ones genitals need not apply…Equal Plights / Equal Rights…

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Gunslingergregi January 14, 2010 at 16:14

””””’And, horror of horrors, a few men might actually help some of these women out, leading to “increased dependence on men for protection and support…”, fer gawd sakes, we simply can’t have that!!! How dare those men try to protect and support women who need it?!?!?!!!! See, that just proves how evil they all are!!! ””””

A few men? Who do you think is gonna be digging out rubble to get to survivors. Come on now. The answer is men.

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piercedhead January 14, 2010 at 16:17

But, getting aid and help to anyone is not on the agenda of any of these groups, it is just a pretense for their political agenda.

Exactly. The whole point of depriving men of rescue and resources is to impoverish and weaken them, so that in women’s eyes they become worse than useless – unnecessary consumers of scarce supplies, and threats to women and girls if left alive.

This is not the first time this tactic has been used – you won’t see many men in any pictures of those being cared for in the relief camps of Darfur either. The ‘face of caring’ is the female Western medic tirelessly dedicating herself to distributing aid to the worthy. But this is the first time I’ve seen the tactic advanced so that it’s above the radar, and the pure evil that it is exposed.

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Gunslingergregi January 14, 2010 at 16:18

But yea pretty sure that woman in the capacity of nurses are handling business.

But who is smashing through a wall or proping up a pile of debree to pull someone out. Yea men.

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Hestia January 14, 2010 at 16:25

@zed-But, getting aid and help to anyone is not on the agenda of any of these groups, it is just a pretense for their political agenda.
I know, I know. It’s just so sick and twisted I don’t want to believe it. A time of disaster is no time for politics and agendas. There are people who desperately need help. Why don’t these fools get this?? *head meets desk*

@gunslinger-A few men? Who do you think is gonna be digging out rubble to get to survivors. Come on now. The answer is men.
Indeed. There are likely women serving in support roles (nurses, etc), but men are the majority searching through the rubble and trying to maintain order. Just as was the case following the 2004 Tsunami, a disaster area to which my husband was deployed to.

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Paul Elam January 14, 2010 at 16:27

Excellent and most disturbing article. I have link back to it at MND.

Fuming here.

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The Fifth Horseman January 14, 2010 at 16:31

Misandry is a bubble. Bubbles always pop.

I am waiting for a time when women are paid a cash bonus for aborting a male fetus. This, of course, will distort the gender ratio and make such a civilization ripe for replacement.

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Amateur Strategist January 14, 2010 at 17:05

TFH, speaking of bubbles popping, any idea on if China is a bubble, and if it will pop? And when? And what companies should I shor- I mean… not invest in if they are heavily invested in China’s success?

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Neil from Brazil January 14, 2010 at 17:15

And I dont think that the Brazilian troops that are making the “peace process” in Haiti are going to confiscate that material suport and redistribute.

Why?

They are ther on the behalf of United Nations.

Sad.

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adan flores January 14, 2010 at 17:18

Speechless with outrage and dismay. Stop exalting anti-humanism.

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Renee January 14, 2010 at 17:35

I can understand woman’s relief programs being more intuned to specific needs of women like hygiene products and reproductive health, but I don’t see why they have to exclude men entirely during the process of helping the victims.

Do they figure “Hey every other relief program assists men as well as women, so it won’t hurt if we focus on specific needs of women and children”.

Then again, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

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Renee January 14, 2010 at 17:37

And also, there’s the whole issue as to what constitutes as a need. I mean…birth control…at a time like this???

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EmanTheDesperateHouseboy January 14, 2010 at 17:54

Despicable…nothing short of despicable!

This is the sort of injustice the feminists want to create since the ’05 tsunami.

EmanTheDesperateHouseboy

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newly divorced January 14, 2010 at 17:55

Guys, let’s not get so pissed about this. I don’t have a problem with it. First of all, there is nothing (except women’s outrage) to prevent men from forming a men only relief effort. Second, remember their efforts are IN ADDITION to other relief efforts. No men are hurt by their (in my view foolish) efforts. Women benefit but no men are hurt so there is nothing that immoral about it. Nobody should be calling for their arrest. After all, they are helping people even if those people are only women. Same would go for a racist relief group. They are still helping and you’d be foolish to refuse their aid. Besides, if these groups help women, that leaves more resources for other groups to use to help everyone else (i.e. men)

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zed January 14, 2010 at 17:56

@zed-But, getting aid and help to anyone is not on the agenda of any of these groups, it is just a pretense for their political agenda.
I know, I know. It’s just so sick and twisted I don’t want to believe it. A time of disaster is no time for politics and agendas. There are people who desperately need help. Why don’t these fools get this?? *head meets desk*

(speaking of head meets desk) They don’t get it because they are not “fools”, Hestia – they are evil people. Evil really does exist in the world. These are not basically “good” people who just don’t quite understand, they are evil.

Sorry to keep harping on this, but the biggest part of the reason why things have gotten as bad as they have is because so many people just don’t want to believe that these people are evil – they are motivated by hatred, and envy, and a desire to do harm which they dress up and hide in the language of noble intentions.

I keep wondering – how many dead people will it take before people quit asking “why?” and just accept how evil these people are and that they are not going to change. Fifty million dead babies apparently isn’t enough. How many would be “enough”? 50 more million? 200 million? 300 million? 500 million? Would it take Globalman’s belief in the coming genocide coming true and 5.5 billion people being killed before people stopped asking “why?” and just accepted that is how these people are and what they are going to do?

Are there enough examples of their hatred of men in the whole world to get people to stop wasting their time asking and trying to figure out “why?” and just accept that is what they are going to do and start doing something to try to stop them?

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21Guns January 14, 2010 at 18:12

Evil is something I understand. What I can’t understand is blatant stupdity.

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Hestia January 14, 2010 at 18:27

@zed- You aren’t harping, just knocking some sense into my foolish self. And you aren’t the only one trying to, seeing as “The Anatomy of Evil” was among the books given to me on my birthday. A doctrine such as irresistible grace and its equivalent elsewhere is pleasant to believe, but the total depravity of man and its equivalent is grounds for a more realistic worldview. You are right that this must be acknowledged to place focus on where it needs to be to solve the problem: a war against good and evil, not holding peace talks until a ceasefire can be reached.

Occam’s razor should be taken out and the conclusion can be drawn there is no way to understand what goes on in the heads of those who are this evil and beyond repair. No explanation exists. No way to unravel their sickness and make their thinking right. They are evil, plain and simple, and cannot be fully understood by people who might be imperfect but who are not completely depraved and lost. They don’t operate like the rest of us. I need to fully swallow this bitter pill myself, not just do it halfway and then cease because reality is too bleak. “Understanding” is not important; action is.

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MarkyMark January 14, 2010 at 18:36

These feminazi bitches are worried about their usual claptrap (e.g. rape, DV, et al) when the Haitian people have more basic concerns-like plain, old fashioned SURVIVAL…

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Bob Smith January 14, 2010 at 18:48

This is not the first time this tactic has been used – you won’t see many men in any pictures of those being cared for in the relief camps of Darfur either.

That’s true, but it’s not merely because feminists prefer a female face to what’s happening there. It’s because the Janjaweed (Muslim Arabs) are ethnically cleansing Sudan of Blacks (Muslim and Animist). The Arab word for “black person” means “slave”, so this should not surprise you. Arabs despise blacks. They have a habit (emulating Muhammad’s conduct of war) of slaughtering or taking as slaves every adult and teenage male they encounter.

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The Caliph January 14, 2010 at 18:48

The Fifth Horseman January 14, 2010 at 16:31
“Misandry is a bubble. Bubbles always pop.

I am waiting for a time when women are paid a cash bonus for aborting a male fetus. This, of course, will distort the gender ratio and make such a civilization ripe for replacement”.

The day this happens!!….well lets just leave it there. NO but seriously the day they start paying them to abort us…notice how i used the the terms them and us.

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zed January 14, 2010 at 19:16

First of all, there is nothing (except women’s outrage) to prevent men from forming a men only relief effort.

Yes, there is. On the day when the human race divides into two separate camps, and both camps start taking care of only their own and ignoring the other half and deliberately allowing them to suffer when something could be done, we are finished as a species with any claim at all to “morality.”

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

If we allow the division of the human race into two hostile and mutually suspicious halves, and continue to believe that one half can only survive and prosper at the expense of the other, we have sunk lower than the animals we so arrogantly claim to be above. And, we are all done for.

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Rum January 14, 2010 at 19:22

There is no law in Haiti beyond the flickering lights of a few UN/InternationalAid Camps. Machete wielding gangs are the real arbitrator of who gets what everywhere else.
Stupid feminists. When they go there and announce that their aid is for women only, they will be unceremoniously chopped up and dismembered. Unless, of course, they can induce some American guys to help them deliberately starve Haitian guys. But that can only work in the very few places where any kind of Law prevails.

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wow January 14, 2010 at 20:04

Men will dig out the survivors and rebuild the infrastructure. Women will have babies…it is what they do, that’s all.

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zed January 14, 2010 at 20:14

Men will dig out the survivors and rebuild the infrastructure. Women will have babies…it is what they do, that’s all.

Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world. They don’t have much to rebuild with. They didn’t have much infrastructure before the quake hit.

I smell a lot of mutilated beggars in the making. http://www.fisheaters.com/gb5.html

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bob January 14, 2010 at 23:22

Dont pay a penny in charity if you are a man.

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iron clad January 15, 2010 at 00:19

I only give to other males…women have it made comparitivly speaking…men deserve to have enough…women get and have MORE than enough, now, as it is…

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z January 15, 2010 at 00:42

Welmer,

Population control.

Thats the first thing on the Swedish-feminists-minds.

I think Feminism is the biggest game of, “Lets you and him fight” that has ever been concocted. This doesn’t suprise me in the least. In fact, I imagine our elite use the whole ideology with depopulation as the ultimate goal behind it. I -really-dont think these Swedish feminists give a rat’s posterior about these individual Hatian women, they only care about them not living in a patriarchy and not giving any more births if possible. They will “be there” to make sure a patriarchy (and thus eventually a wealthier Haiti with higher living standards) does not rise out of the rubble.

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WizardKing January 15, 2010 at 01:04

Looking at some of the comments on salon.com, it appears most people agree with ‘women and children first’. This also appears to be true in general society.

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msexceptiontotherule January 15, 2010 at 01:10

Last time I counted, California had three search and rescue teams consisting of 10 or more men each, and at least 5 dogs (the handlers are included in the total number of personnel per team) as well. They are bringing their equipment and other supplies donated by disaster assistance partnerships around the state, and of course they bring their expertise, many had gone to NYC to help in the days after 9/11.

local professional nurse organizations have also made preparations to fly in once the main airstrip has been authorized for inbound civilian assistance groups and will be doing whatever they can to help the medical teams already there who are overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of injured people.

Islamic women seem to be happy with how their lives are (regardless of what women from other countries may think), which is why it’s silly for feminists to assume that they’re oppressed and just not allowed to say so.

Similarly, right now the last thing that people need to worry about is domestic violence and rape. There was an earthquake, and while property crimes tend to go up when disasters leave businesses and homes temptingly vulnerable, I’m pretty sure that everyone there is too busy trying to dig their neighbors and family members out from the rubble – they’re using their hands if that’s all they have for goodness sake! Why on earth it’s necessary to traipse out and throw up their best attempt at a distraction from the real problems and disaster aid that is truly needed. Whether it’s nurses or the search and rescue guys, they all play an important role in helping the Haitians get through this, and when it’s all said and done it’s about what they accomplish overall not who did the most.

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Bob Smith January 15, 2010 at 01:34

which is why it’s silly for feminists to assume that they’re oppressed and just not allowed to say so

I might agree with you, if it weren’t for the disturbing frequency with which Muslim women who say so get acid thrown in their face, are subjects of honor killings, or simply “disappear”. Even non-Islamic countries honor killings are commonly used to silence dissent and make an example for others.

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piercedhead January 15, 2010 at 02:07

“This is not the first time this tactic has been used – you won’t see many men in any pictures of those being cared for in the relief camps of Darfur either.”

That’s true, but it’s not merely because feminists prefer a female face to what’s happening there. It’s because the Janjaweed (Muslim Arabs) are ethnically cleansing Sudan of Blacks (Muslim and Animist). The Arab word for “black person” means “slave”, so this should not surprise you. Arabs despise blacks. They have a habit (emulating Muhammad’s conduct of war) of slaughtering or taking as slaves every adult and teenage male they encounter.

Glad you mentioned this Bob. As I understand it, the U.N. refugee camps in Darfur had a policy of admitting women and children only into their refugee camps, knowing full well that the brothers, husbands and fathers that they refused entry to would be very probably be slaughtered by roving Janjaweed bands. Yet the face of Darfur as presented to the West was that of starving women and children in desperate camps – the plight of the disappeared men has still not be made public.

A fem-centric U.N. acted in concert with dominant war-lords and left hundreds of thousands of men to perish while looking the other way. They did the same in Bosnia at Srebenica, refusing to present arms against Serbs going from house to house in search of men and boys for ethnic (read gender) cleansing.

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Gunslingergregi January 15, 2010 at 02:27

http://www.dvmen.org/dv-145.htm

So in england figure 1200 woman killed and 12 honor killings in a year.

wow man did you know in england in 1975 the number of woman who killed their husbands was almost the same as the number of husbands who killed their wives. Amazing. So really in 1975 men and woman were equal now they are not.

wow Could someone please do some research on that man what a statistic freaking amazing.

Indonesia 98 percent muslim country murders per capita.
Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people

Land of the “free” and all kinds of religions and creeds but not very many muslims. With people who look down on other people as somehow being less than they are.
United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people murders per capita.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

So my spidy senses where accurate. It is obviously much safer to live in indonesia a 98 percent muslim country than it is to live in the united states. Which I intuitively felt when being there and wished to raise a family with their values as you have a 469% better chance of being killed in america.

Wow those people are some oppressed people. People dieing left and right in the us. lol

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Gunslingergregi January 15, 2010 at 02:36

Oh and they have about the same population.

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msexceptiontotherule January 15, 2010 at 02:57

gunz: don’t forget that indonesia is also a much smaller area to fit all those people into.

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zel January 15, 2010 at 03:35

I am stunned…

I actually feel sick to the pit of my stomach.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 03:46

piercedhead,

Glad you mentioned this Bob. As I understand it, the U.N. refugee camps in Darfur had a policy of admitting women and children only into their refugee camps, knowing full well that the brothers, husbands and fathers that they refused entry to would be very probably be slaughtered by roving Janjaweed bands. Yet the face of Darfur as presented to the West was that of starving women and children in desperate camps – the plight of the disappeared men has still not be made public.

A fem-centric U.N. acted in concert with dominant war-lords and left hundreds of thousands of men to perish while looking the other way. They did the same in Bosnia at Srebenica, refusing to present arms against Serbs going from house to house in search of men and boys for ethnic (read gender) cleansing.

So feminists have colluded in genocide. Much like some Christian churches in Rwanda.

Very interesting. This needs to be brought to light.

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zel January 15, 2010 at 03:55

newly divorced-
“Guys, let’s not get so pissed about this. I don’t have a problem with it. First of all, there is nothing (except women’s outrage) to prevent men from forming a men only relief effort. Second, remember their efforts are IN ADDITION to other relief efforts. No men are hurt by their (in my view foolish) efforts. Women benefit but no men are hurt so there is nothing that immoral about it. Nobody should be calling for their arrest. After all, they are helping people even if those people are only women. Same would go for a racist relief group. They are still helping and you’d be foolish to refuse their aid. Besides, if these groups help women, that leaves more resources for other groups to use to help everyone else (i.e. men)”

What fucking planet are you from?!

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Karthikeyan January 15, 2010 at 04:37

Elaine Enarson, be an human first, then women/men

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 05:18

the disturbing frequency with which Muslim women who say so get acid thrown in their face, are subjects of honor killings, or simply “disappear”

The Muslim women that are punished that way are those who stepped out of line: the adultresses, the converted, the fornicators, etc. I can imagine that the “virtuous” Muslim women are secretly feeling a bit of Schadenfreude. Those other women are a threat to their own existence.

The day this happens!!….well lets just leave it there. NO but seriously the day they start paying them to abort us…notice how i used the the terms them and us.

The day that happens, all hell would break loose. The Catholic Church is already having a bit of trouble keeping it’s members from going ballistic and declaring open-season on abortion providers. People are getting restless out there; even our priests’ homilies are becoming more and more militaristic. I think feminists sense that, which is why they’re hiding behind the call of “civil rights”. Who can be against “civil rights”?

They’ve already tried our patience and the only reason we haven’t resorted to violence is because there’s still hope in changing the law. But you can only push us too far…

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HQR3 January 15, 2010 at 06:22

Ironically, when you first enter the Salon website, a Red Cross ad appears depicting two disaster victims: a father embracing a child.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 06:55

That’s easy to explain. Pictures of men being heroic is a sure-fire way of firing up charitable contributions. It reminds us of firefighters, our Daddy, and our husbands (remember, married people donate more, per person than singles). Then they take the money and use it to split up families and provide abortions and birth control. Sweet.

By the way, USAID, Doctors without Borders, UNICEF, and many other “relief” organizations provide or promote abortions. That’s why I only donate to Catholic charities like CRS. You really can’t trust anybody else anymore. They’re all abortionists now.

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gwallan January 15, 2010 at 07:32

@piercedhead and Snark…

During the most recent Israeli attacks on the Palestinians I watched a ten minute Australian ABC interview with a senior UN official who was on the scene. During the interview the UN official, in talking about the victims of the incursion, mentioned “women” twelve times and “women and children” once. He did not use a male noun or pronoun at any point. For all I know all the men had scarpered leaving the women and children to their grizzly fate.

About three years ago the World Health Organisation and Amnesty held a press conference releasing data showing that womens’ life expectancies now exceeded those of men in every country on the planet. They did this in celebratory terms. It was good news – apparently – vindicating their efforts on behalf of womens’ health.

Only a few months ago the World Economic Forum released what it called a “Global Gender Gap Report”. The methodology, however, only measured gaps which disadvantaged women or girls. Any disadvantage or suffering experienced by men or boys was called “parity”. Effectively anything hurting any male human being was ignored. Robert Franklin wrote a series of articles on Glenn Sacks’ site starting here which looked at this report in some depth.

Mass murder, rape, mutilation of men and boys is ignored by the western media utterly in the Balkans, in Africa, anywhere. If they do cover it they are incapable of refering to the victims by their gender. The UN and it’s umbrella agencies as well as other peak bodies turn their backs on any harmed or disadvantaged male.

To some extent I concur with globalman’s surmise that the gendercide is already underway.

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HQR3 January 15, 2010 at 08:11

Ironically, when you first enter the Salon website, a Red Cross ad appears depicting two disaster victims: a father embracing a child.

@Black&German:
The irony is that when you close the ad, you’re greeted with a sexist article advocating the passive genocide of men.

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Quarry January 15, 2010 at 09:50

why did globalman’s comments get deleted?

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Welmer January 15, 2010 at 09:52

why did globalman’s comments get deleted?

-Quarry

Did they? I haven’t seen any of his comments in the trash.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 10:04

Abortion, socialism, feminism, genderism (misogony and misandry) are cousins. They feed off each other. The madness will not stop until the intrinsic worth of every human individual is recognized.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 10:29

No offence to you personally, B&G, but if there’s one word that women have butchered more than any other, it is ‘misogyny’.

You just can’t seem to spell it right.

Ironic, considering it’s feminist women’s favourite word (just so we’re clear, I know you’re not a feminist).

Misogony.
Mysoginy.
Mysogyny.
Misoginy.
Masogyny.

God damn, there seems no end to the ways in which ‘misogyny’ can be misspelled.

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Welmer January 15, 2010 at 10:36

God damn, there seems no end to the ways in which ‘misogyny’ can be misspelled.

-Snark

I once saw “mysorginy”

Thought that summed it up pretty well.

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Dave January 15, 2010 at 10:38

It’s, of course,the men that will be doing the rescuing won’t it? These cunts can fuck off and die

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 10:39

LOL. You’re right, I can’t spell that word worth a darn. But I already admitted that I suck at phonics. Thank goodness for spell-check. Looking forward to studying word roots with my kids. Seems like a better method for us phonics-challenged to learn spelling.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 10:39

It’s, of course,the men that will be doing the rescuing won’t it?

Yes, of course. But it will be other men, not the fathers and husbands. That’s the goal.

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Globalman January 15, 2010 at 10:57

A claim by Benjamin Fulford that the Earthquake was done by the Bush administration, which is really in charge of Obama and crew. Before you dismiss him, this is the man who interviewed David Rockefeller and then disected the interview on youtube.

Youtube interview part 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu6dWGfOy2k

Header to Fulfords blog entries.
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford

Of course some say he’s a shill, some say he’s legit. Me? I’m not sure about Ben. I hope he is legit.

The desperate, evil, Bush Nazis attack Haiti with a Tesla Earthquake machine

The recent earthquake in Haiti was caused by an earthquake machine using technology developed by Nicola Tesla, according to MI6. The earthquake machine is not HAARP as I have previously suggested but rather some sort of nuclear device, according to this source and a CIA source. The CIA source says an expedition sent to the epicenter of the Indonesian earthquake that triggered the tsunami found it to be totally lifeless one year later, something that could only be explained by radiation. “The oil companies won a war and got rights to the oil in that region and nobody even heard about it,” the CIA source said.

In confirmation of these comments, recently declassified documents show the US government planned to attack Japan with a tsunami towards the end of World War 2 by setting of a large explosion along an underwater fault zone.

The attack on Haiti was a Bush/Nazi faction response to the ongoing cut off of their financial assets, according to the sources. The attack cut undersea cables and prevented the transfer of large sums of money to South American central banks. In addition, the attack was a warning by the Nazi faction saying: “If you squeeze us too hard we will start killing lots of people.” These criminals need to be punished for these evil acts.

Multiple sources are also saying a new 911 type incident is becoming increasingly probable as financial deadlines for the Federal Reserve Board approach. One important deadline is expected at the end of this month.

The sources also say the Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate sold China the anti-missile defense technology recently announced by China. These traitors to the US are almost certainly selling other types of secret technology to China in a desperate bid to keep themselves from going bankrupt.

Meanwhile, two sources who claim connections to the Pentagon Space Command say there will be major disclosure coming soon. Since there is plenty of evidence the Nazis planned a fake alien invasion, these “announcements” (if they really come) need to be examined very carefully and skeptically.

In Japan meanwhile, a decision has been made by the secret government to put power broker Ichiro Ozawa in jail in order to prevent him from forming a dictatorship.

Events are escalating and much turmoil is predicted as the ancient secret government goes through its death throes.

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Globalman January 15, 2010 at 10:59

Women promoting men should be left to die in the ‘women and children first’ mantra. What else is new?

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In a silent way January 15, 2010 at 11:09

Feminists disgust me. They preach about equality and then discriminates against men.

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Mason January 15, 2010 at 12:13

In my estimation feminists are (largely) not evil, just bigoted. Some add spite on top of that; some are downright malicious (and those are the ones who tend to get to the top of the pyramid, unfortunately). But a large portion are just garden-variety anti-male bigots, often in reaction to incidents earlier in life.

In any case, crisis situations usually bring out primal thinking tendencies, so I can guarantee you that many aid workers will instinctively prioritize women, especially if they are with children. As always, the constructivist ideals of Entitlement feminism vaporize when the rubber hits the road.

As for this attitude being “okay” since men’s assistance groups could theoretically organize to prioritize the support of men over women and children — are you kidding me? Imagine a press release stating that “Haitian men deserve care first since they are physically stronger and more economically productive than women and children” — what happens then? Every politician in America would be denouncing the group, IMMEDIATELY. Instant pariah status. There is only two socially acceptable attitudes in America — misandry and neutrality.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 14:41

Castration threats?

Sounds awfully feminist to me, Kronos.

Perhaps you would like to volunteer yourself first for the hanging?

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Davidtoo January 15, 2010 at 15:37

I say let the women dig out all of the survivors in Haiti.
See how they like doing the heavy lifting. For once.

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Colette January 15, 2010 at 15:46

It’s pretty ironic that a site like this accuses aid groups of having a political agenda and feminists/women being “scum”, “evil”, or wanting men to die when the links provided say nothing of the sort. They just point out the specific needs that may exist and are currently flourishing, being overlooked and why it’s easy to do so. But then you turn around and wish death on the planes. Glad to see this has brought out the best in ya’ll!

Do any of you people know anything about aid to 3 world countries? Do any of you people know what is actually going on? Do you know how aid is distributed and how it results in women being overlooked? Do you know how the position women are already in is just made worse in cases like this? Are you watching the coverage? Did you read about how women are actually being overlooked? It was literally just on the news; all the men pushing their way to the front of the lines for food and women and children not even making it. Did you read the statesments from HR groups who explained why women and women headed households are so often overlooked, even in efforts to ensure otherwise? You’ll probably ignore all that with your fingers in your ears saying, “lalalala!” and pretend women are being rescued by pink butterflys covered in BC pills while men are left below to burn. I mean what the hell do experts and people who actually do the work know when you have hotheads that can sit behind a computer and fire-off when something isn’t always about them, right?

I’d like to say the only scum here is you, but you’re not even scum – you’re just lazy and ignorant.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 15:48

According to the links I followed, tampons are more important than men’s lives.

So yeah, evil scum.

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Davidtoo January 15, 2010 at 16:00

“all the men pushing their way to the front of the lines for food and women and children not even making it.”

Of course not. Who do you think those men are getting food for? Themselves? What a stupid cunt. Those men are NO DOUBT getting food for the weak women and children. And why?

BECAUSE THEY ARE WEAK!!!

They are in NO WAY equal. PERIOD.

Now. Go stomp your feet and complain that the world isn’t fair. The reason it isn’t fair, is because “equality” is something that grows in the imagination.

If you want to be equal to men, then PUSH TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE WITH THEM!!!

Oh. And quit whining!!! You sissy.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 16:07

The single men might be getting food for themselves, but the married men are getting food for their families.

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Steezer January 15, 2010 at 16:14

pretty hard to take anything seriously from someone called CherryMoonCinnamonGirl

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 16:14

It’s pretty ironic that a site like this accuses aid groups of having a political agenda and feminists/women being “scum”, “evil”, or wanting men to die when the links provided say nothing of the sort.

Please explain how this is “ironic”.

Perhaps “ironic” is just one of your cutesy little girl buzzwords. Am I right? Maybe you could say it’s “like totally random” instead?

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Welmer January 15, 2010 at 16:16

pretty hard to take anything seriously from someone called CherryMoonCinnamonGirl

-Steezer

The “man” who called for killing women and castration of men was probably just a feminist. I’m totally familiar with this kind of juvenile internet activism.

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Ella January 15, 2010 at 16:18

Seriously, lads, you sound hysterical. It’s more than a little ridiculous. Try to remember that women’s rights are human rights and that there is a practical reason that these organisations are directing their resources to assisting and enabling women and children. These reasons are not “anti-men”, whatever that might be, they are just practical responses to an impractical situation. It does not threaten your security or status at all, so quit your bitching and do something useful, like donate.

DONATE

[Admin: also feel free to donate to The Spearhead if these feminist organizations rub you the wrong way]

World Vision Australia | 13 32 40 | http://www.worldvision.com.au

Oxfam Australia | 1800 088 110 | http://www.oxfam.org.au

Medecins Sans Frontieres | 1300 13 60 61 | http://www.msf.org.au

UNICEF Australia | 1300 884 233 | http://www.unicef.com.au

Yours sincerely

Ella
Feminist

Let the flaming begin.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 16:19

I hope that was tongue-in-cheek. The idea of “negroes” doesn’t hold much meaning in Haiti, where pretty much everybody is of African descent.

Anyway, what they need is security, food, and clean water. They don’t need birth control and women-only aid. Better security would also solve the shoving-in-line issue.

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David January 15, 2010 at 16:22

They always start talking about “women and children” after these events. This hasn’t changed in my lifetime. It is really strange.

Women change from “empowered actors” to “victims” constantly. Like chameleons.

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David January 15, 2010 at 16:23

Abortion is not a “human right”, Ella. It actually destroys human life. Rushing abortions to black Catholics after a disaster is a filthy thing to do.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 16:25

According to feminists … Men Are Worth Less Than Tampons.

http://remasculation.blogspot.com/2010/01/men-are-worth-less-than-tampons.html

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Ella January 15, 2010 at 16:29

B&G, re birth control: Yes, yes women (especially in that situation) need birth control. Because while there are many, many wonderful men who love, value and respect women and their bodies, there are other men who will take a less respectful approach.
The police are in disarray, the gaols are broken and empty, there is no law and one way to reassert power, to demonstrate control, is to violate another persons body. No woman should be subject to the violence of rape, but we are. And more so in situations where there is a breakdown in established societal rules, regulations and enforcement.

So women need to be able to control their fertility, to make sure that they are minimising the harm of these situations. It is unacceptable to suggest that pregnancy and childbirth is not a human condition that also has to be addressed in the coming months as Haiti recovers and rebuilds.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 16:32

Try to remember that women’s rights are human rights

This article is about women being privileged above men.

So what possessed you to write this?

The only implication I can draw out of this is that you think that men are not human. Women are being privileged, but we shouldn’t complain, because women are human! What?

and that there is a practical reason that these organisations are directing their resources to assisting and enabling women and children.

No, not a practical reason. Pure chivalry/feminism. Feminism being an extension of chivalry if you didn’t know – “ladies first!”

It is pure sexism. Simple as that. Women like you think that tampons are more important than men’s lives.

These reasons are not “anti-men”, whatever that might be,

Gee I wonder. What could “anti-men” possibly mean?

Perhaps it’s difficult to see what’s right in front of you all the time.

they are just practical responses to an impractical situation.

Empty words. Nice-sounding phrases. Nothing of substance.

It does not threaten your security or status at all,

It does not threaten any of us, posting here, directly.

It threatens the lives of men who are the victims of the Haiti earthquake.

Just imagine that! We’re concerned with other people, not just ourselves. Apparently this concept is beyond your comprehension.

so quit your bitching and do something useful,

Firstly, it’s not any feminist’s place to tell other people to “quit their bitching.”

Writing this article, and spreading the word about misandry which rears its ugly head even in tragic situations like these, is extremely useful.

It means that when something like this happens closer to home, men know not to help women, because women will never lift a finger to help them – but they will go to great lengths to prevent help from reaching men.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 16:37

WARNING: do not donate to any of her recommended sites except World Vision. All others are abortion providers/promoters.

Ella, I understand that point. But they need security, not bc. The crime is the rape, not the child. Children are not a punishment.

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Welmer January 15, 2010 at 16:38

Geez, Ella, you just make my point:

The police are in disarray, the gaols are broken and empty, there is no law and one way to reassert power, to demonstrate control, is to violate another persons body.

Is that your personal take on it? You really think that men are just waiting for chaos so they can go on a rape spree?

You simply make it clear why I am putting so much work into this site. You feminists need to be fought as hard as the tyrants of the last century, because you have a twisted, destructive and supremacist ideology — an ideology of death.

It is time for another Amazonomachy.

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Ella January 15, 2010 at 16:41

Snark, sweetie, ad hominem arguments aren’t productive or logical.
When you’re ready to engage like a rational adult, email me, and I’ll be happy to chat.

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Hestia January 15, 2010 at 16:44

@Collette-Do any of you people know anything about aid to 3 world countries? Do any of you people know what is actually going on? Do you know how aid is distributed and how it results in women being overlooked? Do you know how the position women are already in is just made worse in cases like this? Are you watching the coverage?
Actually, yes I do, as does my husband who has served in such dire situations before. My husband and I were awake extra early today to help see some soldiers off to Haiti and are now taking care of two little boys until their more permanent guardian can arrive to take them until their deployed fathers return. As this was a *very* short notice deployment, we’ll be taking care of the families left behind and making sure everybody is situated to allow the men from our group to do their job with no worries about what’s going on at home. Neither of us are there at Haiti, as my husband cannot yet deploy again, but we’re certainly rolling up our sleeves to help the helpers in their job overseas.

The groups discussed in this article are not doing anything to help in the efforts but are causing harm, as disaster tourists tend to do. The people of Haiti do not need morons coming in to take up space and waste food who are not ASSISTING VICTIMS in ways that save their lives and help rebuild. The same holds true for any reporters heading to Haiti. Precious resources, such as Army helicopters are wasted to ferry these people around when the time could be better spent getting supplies to people in remote locations. Such workers as the ones from these charities are likely using security resources in the form of military members who could be taking control of an island full of discord and looting right now. Politics aside, the workers from these groups and many others are causing more harm than good and have NO BUSINESS being at the scene of this tragedy.

Also, I sincerely doubt my husband is the only man who reads here at the Spearhead who has done such work before or is involved in the efforts right now, so please spare us the ranting and raving about people sitting on their rears whining about the situation while you are doing the same yourself.

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Snark January 15, 2010 at 16:51

lol, as if I’m going to email some random feminist troll.

Misuse of “ad hominem” … check.
Accusation of being “illogical” … check.
Use of ‘cutesy nickname’ … check!
Implication of immaturity … check!
Absolutely no attempt to respond to my points … check …

I win femitroll bingo! In your faces, guys!

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Connie January 15, 2010 at 16:52

The women and children first sentiment seems to be expressed more on Salon’s Broadsheet than the sites of the cited women’s groups. Their emphasis appears to be something else.

Looking at the websites of MADRE and the Gender and Disaster Network, GDN, Enarson’s group,

http://www.gdnonline.org/

they seem less concerned about bringing initial or emergency disaster relief to the people of a stricken area, and more about using disasters as a way to “empower” women — to get them into positions of power and influence in their communities — in other words, using disasters to implement feminism — take women out of their homes, away from their men and children, and put them, instead of men, into positions of community leadership and authority — primarily in third-world countries.

I haven’t spent a lot of time on those sites, but I haven’t found anything that advocates not helping men in Haiti; only the notion that disaster aid should be “gender specific.” There is token recognition of both the needs and contributions of men.

GDN’s home page says, “Work in Haiti/Work with Women. The Gender and Disaster Network urges all actors responding to the Haitian earthquake to adopt a gender-responsive approach that builds on women’s capacities and resources while reflecting the gender-specific needs of women and men, boys and girls.” There is a link to “Gender Note #3 Women, Gender and Disaster: Men & Masculinities

http://www.gdnonline.org/resources/GDN_GenderNote3_Men&Masculinities.pdf

It notes, among other things, that “The gender division of labour often places men at high risk in the emergency relief phase of disasters.” There are statements you can’t argue with; there are also some very familiar feminist stances, such as the assumption that domestic violence is male against female. MADRE has a man-bashing page, too:

http://www.madre.org/index.php?s=4&news=267).

What it all boils down to, though, is getting women more involved, not in initial emergency relief, but in community recovery afterward, i.e., using the disaster to put women into positions of community and political power — i.e., implementing feminism. Talk about disaster! (See: Europe, USA)

What I don’t understand about this is — aren’t feminists the ones who say gender is just a social construct, doesn’t really exist? So now you have feminist organizations advocating for an approach to disaster recovery based on a construct they claim not to believe in.

How can you deal with people who are so basically dishonest?

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Soap January 15, 2010 at 17:00

Did every asshole on the Internet take some kind of BS “debate” seminar in what we may laughingly refer to as “university”?

All the talk of “ad hominem” and other jargon I see almost never makes sense.

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Words Twice January 15, 2010 at 17:20

The 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit is heading to Haiti.

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Black&German January 15, 2010 at 17:37

Thank you, Hestia, for setting the record straight.

Wow. Check out this document on their website:
http://www.gdnonline.org/resources/AFCVol14No3_08.pdf
Just like I thought. Reproductive health is always a euphemism for abortion. And what’s up with the transgender toilets?

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Welmer January 15, 2010 at 17:51

@Connie

You see it for what it is. Good work.

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Gunslingergregi January 15, 2010 at 18:25

””””””””Ella January 15, 2010 at 16:41
Snark, sweetie, ad hominem arguments aren’t productive or logical.
When you’re ready to engage like a rational adult, email me, and I’ll be happy to chat.
”””””””””
Pretty smooth pickup attempt. Be carefull snark he he he

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Angela January 15, 2010 at 19:14

You know what? I won’t contribute to anything for Haiti. First there was the “Wyclef Jean’s charity isn’t as charitable as you think,” and now this. If I can’t trust a charity to spend my money fairly and honestly, I’ll just keep it.

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Colette January 16, 2010 at 00:27

“Of course not. Who do you think those men are getting food for? Themselves? What a stupid cunt. Those men are NO DOUBT getting food for the weak women and children.”

Except they weren’t. Had it been equaled out then there wouldn’t have been a problem. Does your brain shut off after you read the few words that pop out to you? Or do you leave it on just long enough to engage in name-calling?

“pretty hard to take anything seriously from someone called CherryMoonCinnamonGirl”

*yawn*

“Please explain how this is “ironic”.”

Guess it’s just going to have to fly over your head. Boohoo.

“But they need security, not bc. The crime is the rape, not the child. Children are not a punishment.”

… Which is why the women shouldn’t be punished with the child, should everything go correctly and fetus make it to become a child. But at any rate, thanks for telling women what they should do with their bodies when you’ll never have to deal with it.

“You really think that men are just waiting for chaos so they can go on a rape spree?”

No, but prisons have been destroyed with criminals on the streets, and in situations like this, men who do rape will rape. But I guess we should just ignore that.

“The same holds true for any reporters heading to Haiti.(…)”

I’m not quite sure why the hell you brought up helicopters and glory-seeking reporters, except to distract from the fact that posters here are ignoring legitimate reasons specific steps are being taken to assist the women and children there in order to make it all about themselves. I agree with much of what you said but it had nothing to do with the issue.

“No, not a practical reason. Pure chivalry/feminism.”

Except that two-thirds of the people affected by the earthquake are women and children. Except that they’ve already documented that the food aid hasn’t reached women and children. Except that issues like birth control and pregnancy in times like this are critical.

“It is unacceptable to suggest that pregnancy and childbirth is not a human condition that also has to be addressed in the coming months as Haiti recovers and rebuilds.”

Yes, but it isn’t about men, so they have to freak out about it.

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gwallan January 16, 2010 at 00:48

Colette asserts…

Except that two-thirds of the people affected by the earthquake are women and children.

Really? It could equally be suggested that two thirds of those affected are men and children.

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gwallan January 16, 2010 at 00:58

Ella said…

No woman should be subject to the violence of rape, but we are.

Excuse me, you are a rape victim ONLY if you are actually a victim. Being a woman does NOT make one a rape victim by default.

What an extraordinary claim.

I was raped by an aunt at age seven. Am I allowed to be a victim or is that something reserved only for women?

Colette said…

No, but prisons have been destroyed with criminals on the streets, and in situations like this, men who do rape will rape. But I guess we should just ignore that.

If the prisons have been destroyed how many prisoners actually survived? Unlike everybody else they have nowhere to run. By definition.

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Hestia January 16, 2010 at 01:07

@Colette- I’m not quite sure why the hell you brought up helicopters and glory-seeking reporters, except to distract from the fact that posters here are ignoring legitimate reasons specific steps are being taken to assist the women and children there in order to make it all about themselves. I agree with much of what you said but it had nothing to do with the issue.
The facts I shared have everything to do with your gripe. In your first comment you questioned if anybody here understands offering aid to third world countries as you believe what these groups are doing is the correct way to proceed. I shared what I know from my husband’s experiences, as such groups harm the aid process, irregardless of their politics, in the first days following a disaster.

Right now birth control is NOT important. Search and rescue operations when it comes to survivors is largely a moot point. The focus at this point in the operation will be providing medical aid to the injured and supplies to the rest of the victims. The corpses that are rotting in the street need to be disposed of properly before disease begins to spread and contamination occurs. Social order needs to be addressed and can be now that military boots are reaching the ground in larger numbers. Unfortunately, military forces cannot simply snap their fingers and be there right when disaster strikes and people tend to panic following great upset. This is a fact of life and has nothing to do with one’s sex. Anybody who is not there to provide these services has no business entering the country as this point as their presence and the demands that will come about for their needs for food, water, shelter, and safety are going to tax the precious services being offered to the victims.

With your continued defense of secondary concerns such as birth control being addressed right now, in the wake of the earthquake and ensuing panic. you are choosing to ignore the more important issues of gaining and maintaining the social order and dealing with health and safety emergencies. Until these are addressed, providing access to necessary services and supplies, the ones that will keep people alive, cannot occur. Everything else, including life improvement services, are secondary to helping people survive.

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Colette January 16, 2010 at 02:51

“If the prisons have been destroyed how many prisoners actually survived?”

You haven’t been following this crisis, have you?

“In your first comment you questioned if anybody here understands offering aid to third world countries as you believe what these groups are doing is the correct way to proceed.”

Except I said, “Do any of you people know anything about aid to 3 world countries? Do any of you people know what is actually going on? Do you know how aid is distributed and how it results in women being overlooked?”

You left out a lot. My point was the way most third-world countries operate in terms of gender, the way disasters exasperate such situations, and also how approaches to aiding in such times should reflect that. You know, instead of not doing things because some guy on the internet might see it as a slight against him as a man?

“I shared what I know from my husband’s experiences, as such groups harm the aid process, irregardless of their politics, in the first days following a disaster.”

A good discussion, but still beside the point. It doesn’t change that things should be done in terms of what works in the context of the situation in the third-world country rather than what some guy feels he can proclaim from afar his gender deserves based on what he imagines a situation to be.

“Right now birth control is NOT important. Search and rescue operations when it comes to survivors is largely a moot point.”

Of course it is important, and it is right now. They’ll just have to prioritize.

“With your continued defense of secondary concerns such as birth control being addressed right now,”

I think I mentioned birth control twice – once in regards to the overall needs (I said they were critical in response to somebody claiming addressing the needs of women was about chivalry or whatever) where my focus was actually on the food, then I think again in response to some blow-hard’s statement about what women should do with their bodys; nothing to do with the mechanics of the aid.

Anyway, this discussion was disappointing. Probably the worst of the MRA-types I’ve engaged in. Oh well…

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Snark January 16, 2010 at 03:23

“Please explain how this is “ironic”.”

Guess it’s just going to have to fly over your head. Boohoo.

No, come on, please explain why it is “ironic” for a Men’s Movement website to address female privilege.

You don’t know what “ironic” means, do you?

And in typical feminist-girly style, you refuse to answer the question, attempting to use shaming tactics instead.

Pathetic.

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Snark January 16, 2010 at 03:29

It doesn’t change that things should be done in terms of what works in the context of the situation in the third-world country rather than what some guy feels he can proclaim from afar his gender deserves based on what he imagines a situation to be.

Of course. That particular privilege must be reserved for women, who feel that they can proclaim from afar what their gender deserves based on what they imagine a situation to be.

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gwallan January 16, 2010 at 04:45

Colette said…

You haven’t been following this crisis, have you?

Is there a reason you choose not to respond to my comment immediately prior? You use an awful lot of words to justify the unjustifiable. If this was being framed in terms of mothers and children I could accept that. But once again we see how gutless and selfish women really are. Attach women to children in order to benefit from the natural sympathy and care for children. Are you a child or are you an independant adult.

Some pigs are clearly more equal than others aren’t they Colette?

I’m beginning to understand why many of the men here wouldn’t piss on you to put out the fire.

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zed January 16, 2010 at 08:14

No, but prisons have been destroyed with criminals on the streets, and in situations like this, men who do rape will rape.

You are grasping at straws, and failing miserably. You need to learn something about politics and how to not alienate the people you might want as allies.

The “women are always victims, women matter, men don’t” approach is wearing out. If we don’t matter, then you don’t need our money. Your attempt to use this disaster to advance your political agenda is despicable, and will probably result in less aid to women rather than more. If you had approached things from a humanitarian perspective, and said “let’s help out suffering people because they are suffering”, you would probably have gotten plenty of support.

But, since you chose to use this to advance your feminist political agenda, I think most men here who do donate will do so to organizations which actually care about all people, not just women.

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Doug1 January 16, 2010 at 10:32

I hope the US military refuses to protect them in their discriminatory efforts and that Haitian men overrun their aide station. And them.

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Doug1 January 16, 2010 at 10:46

Just how do these feminist aide organizations think they’re going to enforce their restrictions against men receiving aide as well? How are they going to kick men off their lines?

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Hestia January 16, 2010 at 11:02

@colette- It doesn’t change that things should be done in terms of what works in the context of the situation in the third-world country rather than what some guy feels he can proclaim from afar his gender deserves based on what he imagines a situation to be.
My husband’s experience and knowledge with search & rescues and emergency management is not some guy having an axe to grind against feminists. What I offered is the reality and necessary actions following the wake of tragedy whether you like it or not.

Of course it is important, and it is right now. They’ll just have to prioritize.
Why is getting feminists on the ground to distribute birth control important right now? How does this aid in survival? If clean water doesn’t make it into the country, what will women even use to take the pills?

I repeat again any unnecessary person being in the country is using resources that should be going to the victims and bumping people off planes and helicopters who have something of value to offer, like medical care. Keeping these useless people out of the country would be prioritizing; letting them in will result in more harm. The goal right now is survival, not life enhancement. How does bumping life saving personnel off of a flight or food provisions out of a helicopter, so that these feminists could be transported in with birth control, help the relief effort exactly? Do you really believe the military and other humanitarian aid workers, trained in emergency management, are too incompetent to distribute food and water and maintain order now that they have arrived? Have you considered that the Haitian mother might be more concerned that help arrives in the form of food and water so she doesn’t watch her children starve and die in her arms than she is about birth control pills?

You are not “getting it”, colette or maybe you just do not care about the plight of men. “Let them die and the women can have more food” This is a human tragedy with people of all ages and sexes needing medical care, life saving necessities, and protection. An earthquake is not a political issue but human suffering. Your insights as armchair relief worker do not change the reality of proper emergency management protocols, ones that have provided aid and order after numerous disasters before.

@doug1-I hope the US military refuses to protect them in their discriminatory efforts
In a perfect world….;)

Isn’t it funny how feminists claim VAW is going on and women specific efforts must exist to address them, considering the largely male groups of soldiers, marines, and sailors will be the ones to actually restore social order to the country. Threatening people with a box of tampons or a pack of birth control pills really doesn’t do much to stop looting (which *is* happening) and the claims colette is making about other crime sprees. “Stop in the name of Tampax!”

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Hestia January 16, 2010 at 11:06

@doug1-Just how do these feminist aide organizations think they’re going to enforce their restrictions against men receiving aide as well? How are they going to kick men off their lines?
I’m assuming the same way they expect to get into the country with their supplies: using the military to accomplish their goals. Men can be liked so long as they serve a Useful Purpose, like being a helicopter pilot or walking around with a weapon in a scary place.

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Snark January 16, 2010 at 11:36

I repeat again any unnecessary person being in the country is using resources that should be going to the victims and bumping people off planes and helicopters who have something of value to offer, like medical care.

Example: Hillary fucking Clinton.

Using a disaster like this to get publicity shots.

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vince January 16, 2010 at 11:58

Die FemiNazis Die, and take Rosie Odonnel with you.

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zed January 16, 2010 at 12:14

Haiti earthquake and misandry: a perfect match | Man Woman & Myth
January 16, 2010 at 12:03

This trackback references this article and makes some excellent points.
http://www.manwomanmyth.com/misandry/haiti-earthquake-and-misandry-a-perfect-match/

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cookie January 16, 2010 at 12:17

“Dr. Elaine Enarson is an American disaster sociologist currently teaching full-time in the Applied Disaster and Emergency Studies Department of Brandon University in Manitoba, Canada.” from here: http://www.gdnonline.org/founders1.php#maureen

is the rest of this article also based on sheer sloth when it comes to researching the subject? it took me less than a minute to find out where does Ms Enarson come from :P

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Welmer January 16, 2010 at 12:22

is the rest of this article also based on sheer sloth when it comes to researching the subject? it took me less than a minute to find out where does Ms Enarson come from

-cookie

lol, that’s because I was kind of enough to provide you with the link to GDN.

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Welmer January 16, 2010 at 12:24

Haiti earthquake and misandry: a perfect match | Man Woman & Myth
January 16, 2010 at 12:03

This trackback references this article and makes some excellent points.
http://www.manwomanmyth.com/misandry/haiti-earthquake-and-misandry-a-perfect-match/

-zed

Seems the Haiti article really touched a raw nerve. Good.

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fedrz January 16, 2010 at 12:33

But, since you chose to use this to advance your feminist political agenda, I think most men here who do donate will do so to organizations which actually care about all people, not just women. — Zed

While I haven’t set foot in church since 1992, I am giving my mother money to donate along with her own donation to her church’s missionary organization.

I won’t even give pennies to Unicef because they use it to provide free abortions.

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Harvest January 16, 2010 at 12:41

Holy Crap!

Disaster Feminism.

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Firepower January 16, 2010 at 12:42

abortions for
Haitians
is good

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piercedhead January 16, 2010 at 12:54

I’m under no illusion about what would happen where I live should a major disaster strike. Feminists will no longer be arguing about “tailoring responses to meet 3rd world realities”, but some other pretext will be brought out that will invariably have the same outcome – women first, men last.

A news story last night showed a woman local to me being interviewed about her niece who had been rescued alive from the rubble in Port-au-Prince. She recounted “my sister is such a resourceful woman. She got 5 Haitian men to dig through the rubble where her daughter was, and finally they found her alive. If it wasn’t for my sister, my niece would have died”. Not a trace of irony passed her face. The TV interviewer accepted it all as right and proper.

Not only are so many women willing to deny men equal access to disaster relief, they cannot even acknowledge a service rendered. They see men as little more than digging machines to be properly directed.

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kesi January 16, 2010 at 12:54

For some reason the male haters have convinced society that women are better providers and that ovaries automatically give women access to specific rights and nurturing. Which is not true. The femcatgirls have not comprehend how many poor, mentally ill, and drug ridden mothers will use this opportunity to abandon their children; crying that the child was killed in the earthquake. Or how many will steal children claiming they are theres and cry for more disaster benefits. Women and crime has never fully been evaluated in criminal justice or in the social science field, period. Some of these desperate women will break the neck of their infant to survive and say that a man did it. Some of these women are prostitutes and pimps and will hook a new born baby and will have their daughters and sons in a debilitated building turning tricks so that they the mother can eat a hot- hot dog. Sure we will see it on youtube, but a man’s voice will be heard and a man seen doing the dirty deed while the women hide in the background. Some of these women will used this opportunity to have affairs and run off with new and stronger men who have more available assets in the grunt-gathering game of survival. Some of these women are the same women who have sold their children into slavery in the “new” economic market in Haiti: an epidemic. I guess the women’s organizations forgot about this. And these women organizations, too, have a history of selling fishy things to vulnerable and wayward women– Some of us women are the daughters of psychopathic mothers, and neurotic feminist college instructors, on the rag all day long bitch boss, burnt-out sister who are free thinkers, penis catchers and any day vagina watchers–We are tired of women supporting an ideology which has been nothing but a dream imagined and has done more to destroy the mindset of the young women before most males have had an opportunity to figure women out. If we let these women define who will truly receive benefits in the disaster it will be them. This way they can show up on the scene and show women how to really get it together in Haiti-and slam a slab of brick down, build a fort–and enslave the males into domestic duties and sell their daughters freely on the black market while convincing politicians that they have a right to do this!

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GrimmNoir January 16, 2010 at 15:48

Summary of Colette’s and Ella’s comments:
Tampons and birth control are more important than men. And if men die during this disaster, they were rapists anyway. So fuck ‘em.

Well, “ladies” (and I use that term VERY loosely)……

I have a message for you from the Afterlife:

The Ground Warlock is waiting. And they don’t serve ice water where he’s at.

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Toysoldier January 16, 2010 at 16:21

Just how do these feminist aide organizations think they’re going to enforce their restrictions against men receiving aide as well? How are they going to kick men off their lines?

They will do nothing to actually prevent boys and men from receiving aid because it is unlikely any of those feminists will step foot in Haiti. Even if they do, none the soldiers or forces distributing the resources would actually listen to anyone stating “That food and water only goes to women.” Any rational person would ignore such a comment. Those feminist organizations are simply exploiting a human tragedy in order to push an agenda, and the fact that it may cost hundreds of thousands of boys and men their lives is not something those feminists care about because they are incapable of the most basic level of human empathy.

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Black&German January 16, 2010 at 19:34

I’m a woman, BTW. There seems to be some confusion about that.

Have you considered that the Haitian mother might be more concerned that help arrives in the form of food and water so she doesn’t watch her children starve and die in her arms than she is about birth control pills?

Pe-dow! Hestia in full regalia is a sight to behold. Mercy.

The feminists have probably already convinced the mother to bottle-feed, thereby further endangering her child’s life. We can always count on them to do such good works. They really like womankind, they just don’t like women very much.

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Ellie January 16, 2010 at 20:15

There are many, many legitimate reasons to provide support and aide to women and children after a natural disaster. Prenatal care for pregnant women after an earthquake is very specialized and very important to address. Birth control IS important, especially for young women, especially in a time of chaos. Think about it: rape was only criminalized in 2005 in Haiti. Having been there, I can tell you- it’s accepted as a part of life there. And the last thing a struggling young woman needs in the aftermath of a terrible disaster is having a baby born of rape.
There are rescue efforts and people flocking to Haiti right now to help everyone. I don’t really see how a few people bringing tampons, birth control, and support for women and children is really something to get so upset over.

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David January 16, 2010 at 20:40

Ellie, are you a white supremacist? You sound like one. You seem to distrust black men and think black women should have abortions.

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Hestia January 16, 2010 at 20:47

@B&G-The feminists have probably already convinced the mother to bottle-feed, thereby further endangering her child’s life.
The breastfeeding issue was one that has been on my mind since the earthquake hit and keeps popping up as I read the comments here. My husband was researching earlier today to see if any of these feminist groups are affiliated with or take funds from Nestlé. When he was in Asian following the tsunamis, it wasn’t only formula being pushed on breastfeeding mothers but powdered formula at that. In a place where clean water was scarce!

Big Infant Formula is always crawling around countries like Haiti to endanger the lives of babies and toddlers with their sub par products, but they typically amp up their efforts following a disaster. Breastmilk saves the lives of small children in the third world during the best of times, as breastmilk is a clean source of food, ideal nutrition, and full of antibodies to help prevent, and recover from, illness and disease. Breastfeeding is even more important when disaster strikes, as clean water and sterilization is not necessary to keep the liquid gold a’flowing. Formula feeding cannot be done safely during a time of crisis. Any aid worker who gives a care about children will tell nursing mothers the same things we preach at La Leche League: take the formula, drink it yourself, and continue to nurse your child.

You already know all that B&G, but our visiting feminists may have no clue despite the fact they are all about “women and children”.

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piercedhead January 16, 2010 at 21:08

There are many, many legitimate reasons to provide support and aide to women and children after a natural disaster.

There are many, many legitimate reasons to provide support and aid to men and children after a natural disaster. One is that women speaking with forked tongues will try to steal everything for themselves. Another is that men are better able to protect children when social infrastructure collapses. Yet another is that it makes sense to involve men on the ground and encourage them to take leadership roles, rather than side-lining them and increasing the number of people dependent on outside assistance.

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Hestia January 16, 2010 at 21:21

@piercedhead-You raise some excellent points in your comment. If only feminists would stop calling men rapists long enough to see the important work that men do and the benefits they bring to children.

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piercedhead January 16, 2010 at 22:47

@piercedhead-You raise some excellent points in your comment. If only feminists would stop calling men rapists long enough to see the important work that men do and the benefits they bring to children.
-Hestia

Thanks Hestia, the acknowledgment is mutual – your points about breast-feeding and the possible predatory behavior of Infant Formula marketeers are well considered and something I hadn’t been aware of. If the recent arrivals making such a show of their concern for disaster relief were realistic, the first thing they would consider is the necessity to use the resources already on the ground – such as men willing to assist, and breast-feeding mothers. Alas, as soon as I hear rape introduced as a talking point it’s obvious that their objective is to divide.

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cookie January 17, 2010 at 03:00

Welmer January 16, 2010 at 12:22

lol, that’s because I was kind of enough to provide you with the link to GDN.

yes, thank you soo much, because this short bio isn’t anywhere near the top of google search when you type in her name. right. if you can’t be bothered to check stuff like nationality etc, especially since it’s irrelevant whatsoever to subject of your article, you could at least refrain from making a xenophobic assumption. adding your little biased imagination makes your statement –
“I try to refrain from inserting my opinion when I am writing these news pieces, but…” – totally laughable and your writing unreliable.

plus in case of Haiti in particular violence against women has been a well recognized major problem, you would know that if you had made more research than just quote and comment a statement made by a world class specialist, who you assumed must be a raging butch lesbo feminist from Scandinavia.
a little food for thought from the top of google search: http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/haiti-no-protection-girls-against-sexual-violence-20081127
not every country is the same as your country, not every administration and police force is woman friendly… and so on, but i’m not going to do your research for you.

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Snark January 17, 2010 at 03:20

It’s not your job to educate us, right, cookie?

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crella January 17, 2010 at 04:10

The feminists have probably already convinced the mother to bottle-feed, thereby further endangering her child’s life. We can always count on them to do such good works.

There ya go. Some others making money.

The same holds true for any reporters heading to Haiti. Precious resources, such as Army helicopters are wasted to ferry these people around when the time could be better spent getting supplies to people in remote locations. Such workers as the ones from these charities are likely using security resources in the form of military members who could be taking control of an island full of discord and looting right now.

Absolutely right. After the Kobe quake in ’95 one of the biggest problems was news helicopters. They were flying so damned low to get good footage that they drowned out the voices of people in the rubble. Coverage is necessary but there should be some lines drawn. One news broadcast made me so incensed that my husband had to stop me from going into town to confront the idiots…..they were in a shelter asking people ‘Are you worried about anything tonight?’ and other totally invasive idiotic questions.

Globalman, if they thought it was radiation, they could have measured for it. The fact that the area was covered in silt and the reefs were barren is more than enough reason for fish to stop hanging around. A tsunami that size destroys any natural habitat that previously existed. 10 years or so, you’ll see established life in those waters again, most likely. How do you set off a nuclear device to set off a Richter 8 earthquake that rang the whole planet like a bell and changed it’s angle and not poison everything for thousands of miles around?

Fulford is in precarious mental health. He lives in Japan, so I’m familiar with him from the media here. He claimed for years that HAARP was capable of causing earthquakes until he found out that it’s impossible and now he’s changed to nukes. He had a tumor removed that he insists to this day was a tracking device. He’s way out there.

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John Dias January 17, 2010 at 12:03

This article, the one here on the Spearhead that we’re commenting on in this thread, is now being cited and attacked by the feminists:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/01/17/providing-genderresponsive-aid-haiti

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zed January 17, 2010 at 12:10

This article, the one here on the Spearhead that we’re commenting on in this thread, is now being cited and attacked by the feminists:

When you start catching flak, you are getting close to the target.

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Black&German January 17, 2010 at 12:15

Hestia,
You know I’m a lactivist, too. I’ve managed to convince a few of my friends and relatives to breastfeed, but it’s slow-going. There’s so much misinformation out there. Some also think their husbands would be against it, but I’ve found that most men are very supportive if you explain the benefits to them.
Do you remember the Nestle situation in Africa a few years ago?

Saying that the men in Haiti are going on rape-rampages because the men there always go on rape-rampages is an interesting use of logic. If they are always raping, why the new sense of urgency?

I agree with special protection for the unusually vulnerable (pregnant and nursing mothers, orphaned children, etc.), and the men there probably feel the same way. I just don’t see the men as part of the problem, but as part of the solution. Men have natural protective instincts that could be harnessed to benefit those people, rather than treating them like they’re all a bunch of sex-crazed loonies who are determined to steal food from the mouths of babes.

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Hestia January 17, 2010 at 12:57

@B&G- I’m a peer counselor with LLL and have found the same about husbands being supportive of breastfeeding. My husband once had a man come to him who didn’t want his wife to breastfeed and my husband shared with him the benefits and helped him understand how important nursing was. Advising this man his wife would be less likely to suffer from PPD and would (hopefully) lose weight far more quickly certainly didn’t hurt.

I’ve also been able to use my position in LLL and FRG to gently guide some men and women into MRA issues using what my husband calls the “gateway issues” of poorly performing public schools, conscription, and circumcision. In the past we have ordered a few favorite books on these subjects to have ready to give to new and expectant parents. Many parents are receptive to all sorts of new ideas when they can relate them to their precious little ones. The same with homeschooling and educational choice as well. As I’ve said on here before, being a woman can let me weasel my way into opening minds in ways that men cannot, the nearly all-female LLL and FRG being prime grounds for such mind opening. ;)

Saying that the men in Haiti are going on rape-rampages because the men there always go on rape-rampages is an interesting use of logic. If they are always raping, why the new sense of urgency?
I have been wondering this myself. Also the idea that feminine hygiene products are of the utmost important is a bit silly. Most women will cease menstruating when under such stress. This is common of female soldiers and women under other trying conditions as well. Do feminists not understand basic biology and how the female body works? Me thinks a reading of Taking Charge of Your Fertility and The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding should be done by all feminists before they begin to pontificate about the special needs of women.

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Black&German January 17, 2010 at 13:13

What’s up with the circumcision, anyway? They don’t do that in Europe, so why’s it such a common thing around here? A friend of mine had that done to her son last month and when she told me I was like, you have got to be freaking kidding me.

The first thing I would hand feminists would be a copy of the Constitution of the United States. After that, a Bible, and point out the part where Jesus is a man. And then some basic female-biology texts (as you note) and then Economics for Dummies and anything by John Holt. A basic text on logic wouldn’t hurt. Actually, maybe we should start bundling anti-feminist-ideology book-bundles for the detox sessions. LOL. Or maybe they just need a good exorcist. I know a priest who is said to work wonders…

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piercedhead January 17, 2010 at 14:17

Also the idea that feminine hygiene products are of the utmost important is a bit silly.

@Hestia,

You’re probably better informed than me on this, so here’s the question: If Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world, isn’t it highly likely that most Haitian women wouldn’t be using tampons because of the cost? I mean, women managed menstruation for thousands of years before Johnson & Johnson came along, and of all women in the world, it seems to me that Haitian women would be those who still have a working and practical knowledge of the old ways.

I suspect that if a woman in a remote corner of Haiti was told there was a relief plane flying up tomorrow, and asked whether a cubic meter of cargo-space should be used for flour or tampons, she’d look at you as if you were completely mental.

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21Guns January 17, 2010 at 14:26

Most women will cease menstruating when under such stress. This is common of female soldiers and women under other trying conditions as well. Do feminists not understand basic biology and how the female body works?

Feminists don’t understand the meaning of “trying conditions.”

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21Guns January 17, 2010 at 14:30

What’s up with the circumcision, anyway? They don’t do that in Europe, so why’s it such a common thing around here?

I haven’t had time to research this, so take it with a grain of salt. From what I’ve heard, it was pushed by Mr. Kelloggg the cereal king (also a health guru in his time) as an anti-masturbation thing. It caught on quickly, and by the 1920′s had become the norm. Nowadays people do it out of a sense of conformity; they don’t want their sons to be “different.”

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David January 17, 2010 at 14:51

Circumcision can be medically necessary in cases of phimosis, congenitally tight foreskin. I had this myself as a young boy.

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LanceSmith January 17, 2010 at 15:02

This is pretty typical of feminism now a days. Women first, children second, and …. well … men last. Feminism has lost all credibility.

Ellie’s comments in particular are pretty telling: “I don’t really see how a few people bringing tampons, birth control, and support for women and children is really something to get so upset over.”

For some reason, I doubt that she would so understanding if it would have been “… support for men and children …” (after all, since men are generally physically stronger, more self-sufficent, and probably better employed, wouldn’t it actually make more sense to focus more energies on preserving men’s lives so they are more likely to be able to take care of their children).

And yet, she – and people like her – will rationalize sexism as long as it suits and as long as it benefits women. Sad really….women had so much potential, but as long as they espouse attitudes like this, their true equality will be a long time coming. But then…I believe that women – in general anyway – do not really want equality. They want the benefits of female privilege (such as “women and children first”) along with the privileges of being free to work. Nice.

Women – or at least some women and certainly feminists and their supporters – have fallen significantly in my eyes after this. Feminism isn’t human rights…it is gynocentrism and wholesale misandry at its worst.

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crella January 17, 2010 at 15:57

They are “at increased risk of gender-based violence, especially domestic violence and rape but also forced marriage at earlier ages”

I don’t get how they tie all this to an earthquake.

(side note @ globalman- Fulford has that video of Takenaka all over Youtube in various forms but every single one is overdubbed with Fulford’s commentary claiming what was said, but on not one video can you hear the actual questions asked by Fulford, nor Takenaka’s answers. )

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Hestia January 17, 2010 at 16:39

@piercedhead-: If Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world, isn’t it highly likely that most Haitian women wouldn’t be using tampons because of the cost?
I would assume so. The same with disposable diapers as well, as all disposable hygiene products are quite pricey. Pads & tampons would run at least $80/yr purchased at full price and diapers a thousand or more over a child’s lifetime. There are organizations who collect homemade cloth pads and diapers to distribute in Africa and other third world nations. These pads & diapers are easy to make, inexpensive, and can last for three to five years depending on the fabric they are made out of.

I suspect that if a woman in a remote corner of Haiti was told there was a relief plane flying up tomorrow, and asked whether a cubic meter of cargo-space should be used for flour or tampons, she’d look at you as if you were completely mental.
Indeed. Rags or cloth of some kind can always be found, food…not so much. A good friend of mine was stuck in Biloxi following Hurricane Katrina and ran out of clean cloth diapers for her son. She took tee shirts, folded them up as you would a prefold diaper, and attached the folds together with diaper pins and snappis. Such makeshift diapers do work. Surely Haitian women would be even more resourceful than my friend.

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Karma the great January 17, 2010 at 17:18

Rebel January 14, 2010 at 12:55

Below shit actually!

Elaine Enarson, is pure evil!

I think Elaine Enarson needs to put her money where her empty headed dumb big moth is and go and help out.

Feminism is gynocide, thus I like to call them femi-nazi.

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Karma the great Mel AU January 17, 2010 at 17:45

So lets say Elaine Enarson does go to Haiti…

Elaine Enarson, will fly on a plane, built by men, refueled by men, she will hang out with mostly men who put their lives at risk, men who have no business in Haiti other than saving lives, men who are risking there own lives going to Haiti to save the lives and bring relief to complete strangers. She will watch drugs being administered, machines mostly engineered and built by men to save lives. Elaine Enarson and millions of stupid dumb, ignorant, empty headed, loud mouth bitches like her (not all women) don’t have a clue, where, why, who or how the things she takes for granted have developed.It is the sacrifice of men that allows her and her evil ilk to shit out such rubbish.

Well I hope Elaine Enarson gets a one-way ticket to Haiti so she can swap lives with a local women for a few years and see how it feels.I suspect many local women would swap positions with this waste of atomic matter.

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Karma the great Mel AU January 17, 2010 at 17:58

Elaine Enarson

Elaine Enarson is an independent scholar currently teaching sociology and women’s studies in the Denver, Colorado area. She earned her Ph.D. from the University of Oregon in 1981 and later directed the women’s studies program at the University of Nevada Reno as well as the Nevada Network Against Domestic Violence. Her research and publications have examined women’s work in disasters and their housing and evacuation experiences, the uses of feminist theory for disaster sociology, disaster prevention and sustainable development, women’s cultural responses to disaster, violence against women in disaster contexts, grassroots women’s efforts to mitigate natural hazards, and international trends in the gender and disaster literature. She has consulted on these issues with the International Labour Organization, the UN Division for the Advancement of Women, and ISDR. Recently, she served as the lead course developer for a new FEMA course on social vulnerability, and was the principal investigator of an action research project on vulnerability with women’s groups in the Caribbean. Dr. Enarson is co-convener and planner of the August 2004 workshop in Honolulu on Gender Equality and Disaster Risk Reduction.

Ref: http://www.udel.edu/DRC/drc40conference2/elaine_enarson.htm

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Black&German January 17, 2010 at 18:09

Hestia,

Haitian women often do infant potty training with cloth diapers, so ‘sposies would be a mute point for many of them.

We must also not forget that most Haitians are Catholic and don’t use artificial birth control anyway. And they have large families and are often nursing or pregnant, so they don’t menstruate as often.

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iron clad January 18, 2010 at 00:27

The end is near… 1 – 1 = 0… (1 human race) …(-)…1 (male sex) = 0 survivors…(1 – 1 = 0 )

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crella January 18, 2010 at 01:32

Haitian women often do infant potty training with cloth diapers, so ’sposies would be a mute point for many of them.

But with no running water, disposables are a lifesaver. Since we were in the quake in ’95, we send a couple of cases of diapers , if it’s cold, I send hand warmers and hot packs you stick onto your clothes. You never know where the money will go, so I donate things instead when we have a big quake here.

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Black&German January 18, 2010 at 06:05

Disposables are useful if you have regular trash service. If they’re just piling up in the corner, covered in poop, they’re a threat to health.

We have to remember that they aren’t living in a post-industrial state; they’re living in abject poverty. That’s why the buildings all came tumbling down, remember?

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crella January 18, 2010 at 06:22

Well regular cloth diapers full of poop will pile up too, with no running water….at least they don’t have to try and wash disposables to use ‘em again, in water they don’t have to spare. That was always a problem with UNICEF’s powder formula distribution campaign as well, no guarantee of clean water. My point being that disposable diapers aren’t that weird an item to donate after a quake, however you feel about them the rest of the time. No trash pickup service vs. washing cloth diapers in everybody’s water, which sounds better? :-)

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Black&German January 18, 2010 at 06:37

It was a valid point to make (that sposies would be useful in many disaster areas). But I think if you have no trash pickup then they’re relatively useless. And — as any diapering mother can tell you — you need a lot of them, and a steady supply for them to truly be a help.

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fedrz January 18, 2010 at 06:53

For some reason, I doubt that she would so understanding if it would have been “… support for men and children …” (after all, since men are generally physically stronger, more self-sufficent, and probably better employed, wouldn’t it actually make more sense to focus more energies on preserving men’s lives so they are more likely to be able to take care of their children). — LanceSmith

Especially since Men and Children make up the majority of vicitms in the first place.

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DWA January 18, 2010 at 19:05

I understand everyone’s frustrations with the supplies only being handed out to women. I think these feminist groups will have a rude awakening when they actually arrive in Haiti and realize that everyone needs help and there isn’t anything they can do to stop the surge of desperate people – men, children and women alike. My personal focus right now is to just donate money to the Red Cross and keep praying – as that’s all I can physically do. One thing that I do want to say is that tampons are super important to women, as well as birth control. I wouldn’t deny them that, just like I wouldn’t deny a man some toilet paper when he needed it. :) The human race all has needs that need to be met. However, one thing needs to be said – they aren’t even able to get MEDICINE to these people, so how the heck are they gonna get Birth Control there??? Good luck on each and every attempt.

Finally, I hate feminists. They are all either ugly where no man would find attractive in the first place or they are so threatened by men that they resort to discrimination.

I love men! Especially my husband!

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Soldier January 20, 2010 at 02:45

E. Steven Berkimer January 14, 2010 at 12:53
In any event, if men are needlessly dying because these women’s groups are hoarding supplies for women only, the Haitian government should send troops in to seize the supplies and distribute them equally to needy men and women alike.

And if one single man dies from lack of supplies, anyone working for these groups should be arrested and tried for murder.

I fully agree

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Soldier January 20, 2010 at 02:46

Of course I won’t be surprised if theere are at least a few false rape, sexaual assault/assault accusations that arise from the feminists infection of the disaster sites.

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Soldier January 20, 2010 at 02:56

Sorry for the misspellings. I am dead tired.

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Rick in Canada January 20, 2010 at 10:38

Have a look at this off shoot of PLAN Canada.

http://www.becauseiamagirl.ca/

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shatteredmen January 20, 2010 at 22:46

One of the moderators of Shattered Men has told me that her pastor has been in Haiti several times and they support some local churches there. Yesterday, the pastor of one of these churches who has been caring for over 40 men AND women said they had nothing since the first quake. Yesterday he and a couple of other men walked seven dangerous miles to the airport to get food and water for these people….they were refused! I do not know the reason for sure..but I do contend they were guilty of being…MALE!
I also contend that this will make a lot of men AND women very angry. I know that if my wife needed help and she was refused because she is female….I would be very angry and I do believe many women will be angry knowing their fathers. brothers sons and uncles are being refused because they are men.

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Vancouver January 20, 2010 at 23:47

“I am waiting for a time when women are paid a cash bonus for aborting a male fetus. This, of course, will distort the gender ratio and make such a civilization ripe for replacement.”

Only the Alpha males will be born and thus women can share them amongst themselves, ensuring a better tomorrow for future generations.

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crella January 23, 2010 at 05:47

How do you figure that?

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Snark January 31, 2010 at 17:01

Update: Unicef are now providing food to women ONLY.

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piercedhead January 31, 2010 at 18:42

Just in case you missed it – U.N. opens women-only relief centers in Haiti.

Since Haitian men are considered to be such bad-asses, all those relief centers are going to get raided and the workers all murdered right? Or maybe they’ll stand aside and let the women get their privilege – ie, if it works like the U.N. expects, they contradict their own reasons for denying men help. What a shameless bunch of arseholes – I’m so glad I never donated a cent to any of this.

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1Vis March 26, 2010 at 06:33

Elaine Enarson is Canadian. A swedish women would spell her last name Enarsson.

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Arielle April 26, 2011 at 16:51

Are any of you MRAs capable of discussing an issue without resorting to insulting feminists/feminism/women? I agree that we shouldn’t be denying Haitian men supplies and care, but the fact of the matter is that women are most vulnerable. They menstruate (hence the “hygiene products) and some are pregnant. They have more needs. Pregnant women need to eat more since they’re “eating for two.” I also wonder if any of you actually care how Haitian girls and women are normally treated in their society (hint: it ain’t positively).

Some of you are just plain nasty. Wishing for the suppliers’ plane to crash? Why can’t you MRAs discuss these issues civilly instead of resorting to attacking others? I would be both a feminist and men’s rights activist if it weren’t for all the unbridled hatred. You won’t get anywhere by being like that.

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ian January 8, 2012 at 03:27

Eating for Two..another “excuse”, They menstruate so they are more important to the wash bowl? so the men covered in shit doing all the filthy hard work the women do not..obviously don’t count then.

self entitled women, what’s new.

Get ready for the vicious backlash on women…thanks to Feminism and misandry..it’s building fast!

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