This essay was originally published, in a slightly different form, at In Mala Fide on October 6, 2009.
If I had to pick a random word to describe women, one of the ones I could choose is “solipsistic.â€Â A definition of solipsism, from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
Main Entry: so·lip·sism
Pronunciation: \ˈsÅ-lÉ™p-ËŒsi-zÉ™m, ˈsä-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin solus alone + ipse self
Date: 1874
: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing; also : extreme egocentrism
The female of the species is a master at absorbing herself in her own thoughts and neuroses and projecting them onto men. In the U.S., virtually all women are suffering from the unmentionable delusion that guys are just like them when it comes to sexual attraction. From career women who lament that their accomplishments don’t give men erections to living lardballs claiming that men don’t want them because of peer pressure, the female is unparalleled when it comes to assigning her prejudices and desires to the male. Even on issues on which men and women are visibly different, such as the effect of aging on sexual market value, women can’t stop digging in their hole of projection, as is evidenced by the myth of “male menopause†and the ludicrous new claim that men have a biological clock. Men seldom engage in sexual solipsism of this sort, and those who do are mocked – otherwise, we’d see a lot more guys acting like this freak.
Female sexual solipsism and projection are the primary reasons why women’s dating advice is useless. Let’s look at some of The Rules again:
Rule 1: Be a “Creature Unlike Any Otherâ€
Rule 3: Don’t Stare at Men or Talk Too Much
Rule 4: Don’t Meet Him Halfway or Go Dutch on a Date
Rule 5: Don’t Call Him & Rarely Return His Calls
Rule 6: Always End Phone Calls First
Rule 7: Don’t Accept a Saturday Night Date after Wednesday
Rule 11: Always End the Date First
Rewrite and rejigger these points in a couple of places, and they would work perfectly for guys. In fact, all of these points exist in the literature of game in some form. The fact that these are passing for rules WOMEN should follow is prime evidence of the deep ignorance of female thought on this subject.
For another example, here’s a great post I dug up from Chuck Ross’ archives:
Last week, I witnessed a female friend trying to give a mutual female friend of ours pointers on picking up our mutual male friend. The female friend’s advice was similar to the stuff that works for guys when picking up girls. She advocated playing hard-to-get, not standing too close to him, and walking away whenever he came near. My advice was this: “Rub your tits on his nose.†Plain. And. Simple.
Virtually all female-targeted relationship advice is flawed in the same way: women advise each other to assume behaviors for attracting men that they respond to when men use them. Of course, no man will ever get the hots for a chick because she plays hard-to-get. As I wrote in my essay “How Mainstream Dating Advice Harms Women“:
Women ascertain a man’s sexual desirability through his social dominance, and all of the various trials they put men through, such as shit tests, spring from this reality. Game is made possible through this quirk of women’s psyche; a guy who is not naturally dominant can mold himself into a man that the ladies want by altering his behaviors.
Men ascertain a woman’s sexual desirability through her looks. If she makes your penis hard, she’s a worthy conquest. This ensures that women who aren’t wildebeests and/or hippopotamuses will have an endless stream of dudes looking to bring their battering rams crashing through her iron gates of life, but it has a downside; a woman’s options for improving her sexual market value are limited. The reason a 20-year old co-ed can play the coy coquette and a 35-year old cougar has to force herself onto guys is because the former has qualities men desire (youth and beauty) that the latter doesn’t and can never get back. An unattractive woman who prances about like she’s a 10, like The Rules says that ladies should do, isn’t going to suddenly make men think that she is a 10 – they’ll just avoid her in favor of girls who are still on the same plane of reality. Men instinctively know the difference between fool’s gold and the real deal, and no games played by girls can convince them otherwise.
Furthermore, a man’s willingness to put up with shit from a woman is inversely correlated with how good he is with them. Natural-born alphas, the guys who women want to ensnare, will not tolerate the behavior of a “Rules Girl.†Only gameless schmucks will bother with chicks who won’t pay for dates or refuse to do more “than casual kissing on the first date.â€Â The Rules ought to have been subtitled “Time-Tested Secrets for Capturing the Heart of Mr. Beta.â€
Where does the extreme, unprecedented sexual solipsism of modern females come from? I blame the average woman’s complete disconnect from reality. Owing to their status as the gatekeepers of sex, and the fact that their sexual value peaks before men’s, most women, particularly young women, can spend a fair portion of their lives sailing on a cloud of fantasy. If a girl is reasonably attractive and sociable, she can sit back and watch the gentlemen callers pile up. Not only that, the same factors that have enabled unrestrained female hypergamy (legalized abortion, cheap and available contraception, economic emancipation) also shield women from the consequences of their bad behavior. Think of a spoiled brat who has everything he wants handed to him without complaint (lest he throw a tantrum) and who is rescued by daddy whenever he gets himself into trouble. In our modern culture, women are basically spoiled children, and are as equally clueless about the real world.
We men are forced to confront reality from the outset because we are the dominant sex, expected to approach girls and direct our relationships with them. The overwhelming majority of guys have been slapped with rejections from girls from the day their mating careers began, forcing them to analyze their behaviors, actions, and attitudes. The only men who can afford to engage in woman-esque solipsism are apex naturals who the ladies are natively attracted to (see: Tucker Max) – the rest of us grinders have to stay on our toes at all times.
Another factor in female sexual solipsism is increased promiscuity. The indispensable Lupo remarked here:
That may or may not be true: most slutty women I know could take on entire football teams without noticing the nature of male sexuality. They’re that self absorbed in their emotional turmoil, they don’t notice men look at them like a hungry man looks at a piece of meat. Prudes notice more, probably because they had fathers who were decent men.
The sexual double standard arises from the reality that getting sex is easy for women but hard for men. The reason studs are respected and sluts are derided is because being a stud requires skill, talent, and practice, while being a slut merely requires a pulse and a lack of impulse control. The unsung flip side of the double standard, however, is that female virgins are cherished whereas male virgins are ridiculed. A man who can’t get laid signals to the world that he is a loser, while a woman who resists spreading her legs for every scumbag who winks at her shows herself to be a sober, selective person. Because a female’s primary goal is getting the highest-quality man available to commit to her, women who cannot or will not stay in a relationship are poor sources of information on men. The male virgin and the female slut are mirror images of each other in terms of attractiveness to and knowledge of the opposite sex.
While we guys can have a good laugh at women who make poor choices, the solipsism of the fairer sex will ultimately be their undoing. An exchange I had with Obsidian (visit his blog) on LILGRL’s inaugural post at Girl Game:
Obsidian: Here’s my thing, and maybe you ladies can help me out with this:
Whatever happened to the older, wiser Women in the world? The moms, grandmoms, aunties and the like, who pulled younger Women aside and told themthese cold, often brutal, facts of life? Where’d they go? Why don’t we see them around anymore? What happened?
Comments?
Ferdinand Bardamu: The sexual revolution happened. The women who came of age in that era junked the “old knowledge†of sexuality and bequeathed their ignorance to their children. There are exceptions here and there but for the most part, the mothers of today’s young women are just as clueless as they are. As for grandmas and other extended family members, the replacement of the extended family with the nuclear family that occurred post-World War II combined with the mass entrance of women into the workplace removed any possibility of the wise women imparting their knowledge to the young’uns. For example, my mother relocated away from her hometown because of her job. We only saw the relatives on holidays and family reunions.
Obsidian: Hey Ferdi, thanks for the comment and also for the heads-up about Sofie’s new blog-home.
You may know of one of my oft-repeated phrases:
In the New Girl Order, the biggest losers, will be Women.
NOT MEN.
And the reasons for why I say that, lie in my posts here. Simply put, the “game†is rigged for Today’s Woman in ways that is even WORSE than for you and me. Why? Because a lot of Women are being sold a seriously bad bill of goods…and, like the economic meltdown we’re seeing around us right now, the same will happen on the dating market. Because by design, only a small number of people can obstensibly “winâ€-especially when it comes to Women. Most, the vast majority, will lose.
I feel deeply about this for several reasons. One, because had it NOT been for one of those Wise Women-in my case my great grandmother-I might have ended up a statistic. After a month-long courtship, my mom, who at the time was a 19 year old singlemom and a radiology nurse, was urged to marry my mid-30s aged stepdad. My GGM told me mom straightup, look, I know he’s not all that you want him to be. But he loves you and that child. And you need a father for your son. You’ll learn to love him.
Today Ferdi, those words don’t even exist in the American lexicon-and keep in mind, I’m only 40 years old! My God…how far have we done fell.
Secondly, I have three sisters, and I love them dearly. I don’t want to see any of them serially and repeatedly pumped and dumped…riding the cock carousel into infinity…out there clawing and scratching for the few Alphas out there in a de facto harem…or worse. Don’t get it twisted, I’m a pretty practitioner of Game, but I see its real limitations and real dangers, too, and because I have some skin in the game, so to speak, I am concerned about the sexual market aping the economic one these days. Where there are precious few winners…and a hell of a lot of losers.
Because of the destruction of the “old knowledge†of human sexuality that occurred forty years ago, today’s women are woefully ignorant of the realities of the sexual marketplace. Men are ignorant too, but our status as nature’s guinea pigs gives us more leeway in our personal lives. A man’s sexual market value doesn’t peak until his early thirties, and the decline afterwards can be mitigated with fame and wealth (just look at all of the rich old farts with hot young wives). A woman’s value peaks in her late teens/early twenties, declines slowly during her late twenties, precipitously drops in her thirties, and effectively reaches zero (or close to it) in her early forties. Most women simply do not realize this cold fact until it’s too late, as The Fifth Horseman (visit his blog) wrote in the comment section of this post:
Women, by definition, can’t grasp the hard reality of numbers and probabilities. That is why they often are caught by surprise when their attractiveness fades in their mid-30s.
Thus, women end up experiencing a Wile E. Coyote moment, when they suddenly realize men aren’t interested in them to the same degree, and that men 15 years older are going to be the norm for her henceforth.
That is why mother/Gmother mentorship is more important to a woman of 20-25 than father/Gfather mentorship is for a man of the same age.
Women were shielded from their Wife E. Coyote moment by the steady hand of their mothers and grandmothers. You, Sofia, LSB, and Bhetti still probably have this service available to you, but a lot of white urban women do not.
Yes, men never get a big falloff like that (unless they go bald, and even then, there are ways to reduce the impact of that).
But women are FAR more likely to go on match.com and get their ego boosted by the male-heavy ratio there making them think that their market value is higher than it is.
Men are less prone to getting so detached from reality.
The removal of the steady hand of mothers and grandmothers guiding the choices made by young women, has made them vulnerable to bad choices.
Hence, women go around in their 20s thinking that the treatment they are accustomed to will never end, and that an Alpha who sleeps with them will actually marry them (not realizing that she is one of three at any given time). They use Match.com to generate a lot of emails from men, which happen due to the 2:1 ratio there. Women falsely interpret this attention driven from an unnatural ratio as a sign of their value being higher than it is.
Then, women face their Wile E. Coyote moment. They realize their attractiveness has plunge only after it is too late to avoid the fall. They did not see it coming, as the emails from match.com were still flowing steadily as a response to photos of her that are 5 years out of date.
In the old days, grandma knew that a girl’s appeal was temporary, and made sure she got married off long before her appeal dropped. Today, women have no steady hand of yesteryear to warn them of the impending cliff. In fact, the media trys to paint a continued path in the air, in the form of shows that try to normalize cougarhood. Thus, more and more women face their Wile E. Coyote moment (age 34-37).
For this particular ‘Girl Game’ blog, I am cutting them slack, since Bhetti, Sofia, and LILgirl are all 20-22, and have better values than white ‘womyn’ types. Lilgrl is engaged too. So this crowd doesn’t irk me.
But yes, women who cross the age of 28-29 really have to get with it and realize that their time is very limited at that point. Online dating sites make it very easy for a woman to overrate her prospects (due to the ratios I described, and the inherent nature of the medium, where 20 emails from guys can *seem* like a lot, but really aren’t).
The steady hand of mothers and grandmothers was important in keeping a young woman away from cads and married off to a ‘good man’, and already have kids by age 35. Now that this factor is absent, young women are extremely vulnerable to hitting their Wife E. Coyote moment. And they have themselves to blame…
Female fertility drops off a cliff by 35. White women get wrinkles by then. Colored women have skin that lasts much longer (until 45), but fertility is all but gone by 35 no matter what race the woman is.
With the coming economic collapse and the end of the “sheconomy“, one hell of a lot of single, “confident,†“independent†women are going to find themselves suffering on the streets because no man will look to them for anything more then a one-night stand. The biggest winners will be the good girls who had parents who taught them right, few as they may be. In the land of the starving sluts, the prudish virgin is queen.
For further reading:
“When Shit Gets Sold as Soap…” – Fedrz explains how feminists project their own behaviors, thoughts, and beliefs onto men. I was not aware of his post when I originally wrote this piece, though I wish I had been.
“The Wisdom of the Elders and its Decline” – Thursday expands on a comment he left on my post when it was first published.
(Image at top courtesy of RedBubble.)
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Studs aren’t necessarily born, but to the extent they are made, they are made right at puberty. Females are easiest to fuck when they are in school, so a guy who gets started fucking early gets a lot of valuable experience and rapidly increases skill and confidence and after college, can handle just about anything. A guy who doesn’t start fucking until say he is 19, in college, will have nowhere near the experience entering adulthood and his experience, with his relatively low status, will be with querulous women who constantly beat him into betahood.
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Loved this post the first time around – good shit.
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I agree with Omega, but this website and others like http://www.manhood101.com close the knowledge gap between alpha (experience) and beta (non-experience) in record time. The internet is the great knowledge equalizer between men who know what they are doing and those who lack the experience. PUAs are part of the problem because they make betas neurotic and insecure with their litany of steps and payment programs.
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Good point
This is now
The Classic argument
for eradicating
decent men
I rest my case
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“The sexual double standard arises from the reality that getting sex is easy for women but hard for men.”
I have to question what planet the writer comes from?
It certainly isn’t planet Earth.
The reality is the getting sex is equally easy for both sexes.
Unless you have 1 in 1,000 females who do nothing but lie on their back getting fucked day and night, simple logic tells you this has to be so.
I can distinctly remember a man arguing this point extensively to another man (the second man was a friend of mine) for over an hour, eventually citing as proof the fact that any man can go to a prostitute and buy sex (which is ass about tit for the argument he was trying to make anyway)
Whereupon the second man informed the first man that every sexual relationship that he had had for several years was a strictly commercial transaction, women paid him for sex.
He was not alone in his “career”.
The label solipsism can be equally applied to men, especially those who think sex is hard to come by.
You guys need to stop worshipping this false idol you call “game”.
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… Not only that, the same factors that have enabled unrestrained female hypergamy (legalized abortion, cheap and available contraception, economic emancipation) also shield women from the consequences of their bad behavior. Think of a spoiled brat who has everything he wants handed to him without complaint (lest he throw a tantrum) and who is rescued by daddy whenever he gets himself into trouble. In our modern culture, women are basically spoiled children, and are as equally clueless about the real world.
Well said.
The ego epidemic and how more and more of us have an inflated sense of our own fabulousness | Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html
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Women don’t know what “solipsism” even means.
It’s like speaking Spanish around Anglos – a secret code for when you want to keep them in the dark.
Just spell out that it isn’t a “masculinist byword for the oppressive rape of women” so Lady Raine isn’t offended.
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“The reason studs are respected and sluts are derided is because being a stud requires skill, talent, and practice, while being a slut merely requires a pulse and a lack of impulse control.”
Those are just rationalizations. In reality it’s just an illegitimate double standard. A PUA isn’t any different than a slut.
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Actually, null, they are different.
I heard a very good analogy the other day – wish I remember from who, so I could give credit, but here it is:
A key that can open any lock is known as a “master key.” It has enormous value.
A lock that can be opened by any key is a weak lock. It has virtually no value at all.
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Fedrz,
it was Uzem & Luzem:
http://uzemandluzem.blogspot.com/2009/11/studs-vs-sluts.html
Regards.
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They are different because you heard an analogy the other day?
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Thanks Questio.
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Lol! Null… where is your counter-argument?
Do you actually have one?
Just because you claim that PUA’s and sluts are an illegitimate double standard, doesn’t hold much water unless you attempt to argue your case with some clear logic.
You are what is commonly known as a fish in a barrel. Perhaps you ought to quit while you are ahead.
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I don’t need a counter-argument, because it is self-evident that it is a double standard. There’s no reason whatsoever why studs and sluts should be treated any differently.
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As I just said on another thread, null, I don’t think you understand what “self-evident†means.
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You define “self-evident” as “well, I think it’s true, and that’s enough evidence for me, so you should just believe it too!”
It’s intellectually offensive and, to be frank, womanly.
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Men seldom engage in sexual solipsism of this sort, and those who do are mocked – otherwise, we’d see a lot more guys acting like this freak.
Wow, there’s no way that web site is written by a man. A bunch of men haters with dildo ads? NO WAY I tell ya.
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Well, my link isn’t working. It sure would be nice to be able to edit your posts. HINT HINT…
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“I don’t need a counter-argument, because it is self-evident that it is a double standard. There’s no reason whatsoever why studs and sluts should be treated any differently. — Null
Could you explain to me, please, why it is self evident?
After that, we can get into the discussion of why, or why not, they should be treated differently.
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AfOR:
Compared to the amount of sex the average man or woman would *like* to engage in if given the opportunity on their own terms, men have a much harder time procuring sex. When women want it they have a much higher conversion ratio than men. *When they want sex* it’s much easier for a woman to get sex.
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dull – “There’s no reason whatsoever why studs and sluts should be treated any differently.”
So, do your part to end that supposed double-standard. Convince other women to treat “studs” the men treat “sluts”.
Once you convince other women to place a lower value on studs (as if…), perhaps you’ll direct some of your efforts at the other “double-standard” the author notes: “The unsung flip side of the double standard, however, is that female virgins are cherished whereas male virgins are ridiculed.”
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If anything…at least Afor provides an “anti-game” sentiment unlike that of LR or D-romano…which is like watching a dog chase its own tail.
In some ways, its refreshing – the message is “man up and stop whining, bitch.” A valid message, given the right context.
Btw wrt iridology, is that the basis for your “look into their eyes and say nothing” recommendation?
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Null: “There’s no reason whatsoever why studs and sluts should be treated any differently.”
Women’s sexuality has has high value, but men’s sesuality dont. It’s a question of supply and demand.
Those people (studs), who can get valuable things are thought to be in power or intelligent. Those people (sluts), who give their valuables for free are thought to be idiots.
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“The only men who can afford to engage in woman-esque solipsism are apex naturals who the ladies are natively attracted to…”
Cough! AFOR Cough!
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Its self evident that Null is a troll.
Probably a young, fat, female one also, as his debate techniques are self evidently pathetic.
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I was impressed when first I read this piece in its original form. Ferdinand Bardamu’s contribution is valuable… maybe the sort of thing that should go on to become a classic? Men should read it… except maybe AfOR, who seems to experience the world differently.
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I don’t need a counter-argument, because it is self-evident that it is a double standard. There’s no reason whatsoever why studs and sluts should be treated any differently.
Ah, more choice wisdom from our friend ‘Null-n-Void’.
To better understand this paradox, I will quote Ferdinand — A woman being proud of getting laid is like an alcoholic proud of getting drunk.
http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/11/05/what-girl-game-isnt/
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bullshit. I can list differences right away.
A PUA knows what “solipsism” means.
Sluts lay anyone with facility
PUAS write here, Sluts do it at GIRLGAME
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“A key that can open any lock is known as a “master key.†It has enormous value.
A lock that can be opened by any key is a weak lock. It has virtually no value at all.”
Good God, if that is the best you can do it is no wonder you have issues getting laid…
A cock isn’t a key, it is a cock, and a cunt isn’t a lock, it is a cunt.
A cock is a cock is a cock, and a cunt is a cunt is a cunt.
There is no such thing as a “master cock” with different physical characteristics.
By the time I whip my cock out the “sale” has already been made, the “sale” has fuck all to do with the cock, or the key.
You want a better analogy, here is one.
“A man who can open any lock is known as a locksmith,
A lock that can be opened by any locksmith is know as a lock.”
aphorisms / similies / metaphors / analogies, they all have different meanings.
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Null:
” There’s no reason whatsoever why studs and sluts should be treated any differently.”
I’m no better then you, but they seem to me much like Yin and Yang, therefore equal but opposite. One is the “active” principle, the other, the “inactive ” principle.
Does that make sense?
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Ignore null. He has to disagree, all the time. That’s why he doesn’t present counter-arguments, he doesn’t have them.
To the point:
The article itself is an excellent piece, Ferdinand. The sexual market is ruled by the law of supply and demand, just like all others. Of course, at being protected of the consecuences of their acts until is too late (the Wily E. Coyote moment), they have no reason to be something else that spoiled narcisistic childs, or to actually pay attention to the realities of this world.
Obsidian said: Incentives matter in human behavior. And there’s no incentive for women to act differently.
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Snark “You define “self-evident†as “well, I think it’s true, and that’s enough evidence for me, so you should just believe it too!—
Nope.
fedrz “Could you explain to me, please, why it is self evident?”
Because there’s no difference between the two. Sexual promiscuity is sexual promiscuity whether practised by men or women.
Jabherwochie “Its self evident that Null is a troll.”
As I have conclusively proven several times already, you are a troll. You are constantly trying to derail threads by randomly starting off-topic arguments about trolling.
“Probably a young, fat, female one also, as his debate techniques are self evidently pathetic.”
I see you’re still as unhinged and delusional as always.
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“Sexual promiscuity is sexual promiscuity whether practised by men or women.”
Are men and women the same?
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@ Null,
Ah… you’re getting warmer.
“Sexual promiscuity is sexual promiscuity whether practiced by men or women.”
That point I will concede to you, although, I never denied the definition of sexual promiscuity. In the same way that I never denied that the act of inserting a penis into a vagina is defined as sexual intercourse in the same way that a vagina accepting penetration by a penis is sexual intercourse.
However, from here, I can easily go on to show that male and female sex drives are not the same – nor are their motivations, nor are the results for the two individuals involved, and thus, promiscuity for males and females are not of the same motivation, nor result in the same outcome for both sexes, nor is sexual promiscuity as easily attainable for each sex as it is for the other.
Will you also argue then, that a 240lb man punching a 120lb woman closed fisted in the face with all his might is the equivalent of a 120lb woman punching a 240lb man in the face with all her might?
They are both the exact same definition of physical violence. Closed fist + punch in the face. And therefore, there is absolutely no difference in the results of each violence, and so it is a complete double standard?
What we are arguing is that the motivations, conditions, and results for sexual promiscuity are different for both sexes.
Of course, if you would like to change your stance to “Gender is a Social Construct,” I will allow your claims of adrogyny between the sexes as the foundation for your argument, but then we ought to shift the focus there, don’t you think?
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null January 12, 2010 at 10:44
“I don’t need a counter-argument, because it is self-evident that it is a double standard.”
It is only self evident to a deluded woman who has no grip on reality. To those of us who live in the real world there is no double standard.
The other anaology is this. If a man came to me and said he just gave away 100 EUR100 notes of his own money to passers by on the street by saying “Would you like this EUR100 note” I would call him an idiot.
If a man came to me and told me he had managed to collect 100 EUR100 notes by talking passers by on the street into giving HIM the EUR100 notes I would call him fucking amazing and want to know his secret.
Pretty much ANY woman between 18-50 can get sex by walking into ANY place men exist and saying “Would any one of you guys like to fuck me please?” There is always some guy desperate enough to fuck some woman. The same can not be said for ANY man. A man actually has to bring something to the table in order to get sex.
“Those are just rationalizations. In reality it’s just an illegitimate double standard. A PUA isn’t any different than a slut.”
A woman said something…sigh….next.
Now onto what men are talking about.
AfOR:
“The reality is the getting sex is equally easy for both sexes.”
I disagree with that one dude.
As far as solipsism…..western women have their collective heads up their collective arses. Really. Try talking to them. They have nothing of value to say any more….probably never did.
Eastern women actually have a brain, not a highly functioning one, but they at least can think a little bit. I have talked to a few eastern women about the Illuminati and how they ran ‘feminism’ in communist russia. Once explained to them they all ‘get it’ and they can see the terrible position they are in today because of it. There is a distinct lack of men willing to marry and provide for their wife in ALL former communist countries. In all the former communist countries ‘all the women know that they have to work all their lives for their living’. Meaning outside the home.
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Good God, if that is the best you can do it is no wonder you have issues getting laid… — Afor
Uh oh!
I sense a game of Fembot Bingo coming on!
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A cock isn’t a key, it is a cock, and a cunt isn’t a lock, it is a cunt.
A cock is a cock is a cock, and a cunt is a cunt is a cunt. — Afor
With such clear, indesputable logic and insight, you ought to become a millionaire overnight!
Good rebutal! I’ll have to file that one away.
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Btw, Afor… aren’t you the guy who is fighting a false accusation of rape or something?
Obviously, whipping out your cock did not solidify the sale, and she is trying to get compensated for feeling ripped off by the exchange of your sexual goods.
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Fedrz-
When did you become so funny? Good times, good times.
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Jaberwochie “Are men and women the same?”
In this case there is no difference.
fedrz “What we are arguing is that the motivations, conditions, and results for sexual promiscuity are different for both sexes. ”
These are nothing but excuses.
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This article is a really good one…even on the re-read.
The commentary that follows should have a new title in light of Null/Tokyo’s attempts at yet another dumbass de-railment …
The Eternal Solipsism of the Self-Evident Internet Troll
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These are nothing but excuses — null
Could you expand on that please? If they are nothing but excuses, then you should have no troubles at all rebutting my claim that promiscuity isn’t identical in motivation, condition and result for both sexes.
Excuses are easy to deconstruct, which is why it is so fun to toy with the fishies in the barrel.
Btw, notice how another commenter here tried to insult me by insinuating that I couldn’t get laid?
How come that insult is never thrown at females, but only males? And further, why is it mostly (but obviously not always) thrown about by women against men, and never the other way around? Do mere “excuses” explain this away, or is it that women themselves find a man who can’t get laid to be a lesser human being?
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“Jaberwochie “Are men and women the same?â€
In this case there is no difference.”
There are more differences in this case. Vagina goes in, penis sticks out. One side gets pregnant, the other gets trapped in child suppport/marraige hell.
Duh.
“fedrz “What we are arguing is that the motivations, conditions, and results for sexual promiscuity are different for both sexes. â€
These are nothing but excuses.”
Excuses, yes, but good ones. Logical ones. Really well put and thoughtful ones. So on this we agree. You can leave now. We’ve arrived at a consensus. Men have excuses to treat studs and sluts differently.
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Jabherwochie,
Lol! It does my heart good to be provided with such easy targets.
It’s like shooting at the side of barn from 20 feet away.
“Damn, good shot! Didn’t miss once!”
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@fedrz
It’s a crime that something like that could happen to AfOR. It’s hard to understand given his empathy and sophisticated understanding of the fair sex.
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Damn! Everyone is on fire today! I’ll have to step it up.
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Hawaiian Libertarian “The commentary that follows should have a new title in light of Null/Tokyo’s attempts at yet another dumbass de-railment …”
Responing to something said in the post is derailment? Tell me another one.
“The Eternal Solipsism of the Self-Evident Internet Troll”
Are you talking about yourself? Because trying to derail the thread into an argument about trolling is the modus operandi of modern day trolls.
fedrz “Could you expand on that please?”
PUAs need some way of resolving the double standard of shaming and condeming sluts while at the same time banging those same sluts on a daily or weekly basis. Hence the excuses.
Jabherwochie “There are more differences in this case. Vagina goes in, penis sticks out. One side gets pregnant, the other gets trapped in child suppport/marraige hell.”
Irrelevant.
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Charles Martel January 12, 2010 at 13:47
@fedrz
Btw, Afor… aren’t you the guy who is fighting a false accusation of rape or something?
It’s a crime that something like that could happen to AfOR. It’s hard to understand given his empathy and sophisticated understanding of the fair sex.
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From me to both of you.
I’m not going to flame or insult either one of you, frankly, nothing I could do could ever approach the levels of damage you have both just done to your own reputations.
I will instead direct your attention to this article
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-can-i-light-fire-under-you.html
Which deals with;
1/ A man arrested for raping his wife, she said, no other evidence.
2/ A man arrested at his place of work after a rape allegation by his ex-wife, who just *happened* to be in an ongoing child custody battle with him (waves hand)
3/ A man accused of two separate rapes against the same woman, a man who was selected to be a rapist based on nothing more than having been involved in a minor fender bender with the false accuser some weeks before.
And now the Comedy Club is pleased to present;
a/ Federz “aren’t you the guy fighting a false accusation of rape or something?” drumroll and pause for audience applause and cries of “encore”
b/ Charles Martel with his rendition of “It’s a crime that something like that could happen to AfOR. It’s hard to understand given his empathy and sophisticated understanding of the fair sex.” drumroll and pause for audience applause and cries of “encore”
they both bow to the audience “thank you, thank you, we will be playing here all week.”
Now perhaps other readers can enlighten me, because I am having some difficulty envisioning this, quite how these hilarious witticisms from two such self evidently “Alpha males’ Alpha males” are different from the shit spouted by the likes of Lady Raine and Georgia Girl.
Two other people who find false allegations of rape risible.
Cos I’m fucked if I can see any difference, but that’s just me and my 12″ of throbbing gristle I guess.
There really is *no* difficulty in understanding how some of you guys can’t get laid. You’re fucking assholes. “Game” is no antidote for that.
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“Irrelevant.”
You like that word. Very relevant.
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PUAs need some way of resolving the double standard of shaming and condeming sluts while at the same time banging those same sluts on a daily or weekly basis. Hence the excuses. — Null
Thank you for the effort.
On a side note, many of the men here do not involve themselves with women in any manner whatsoever, btw.
You also conveniently ignore the further up challenge to explain why a male virgin is mocked for his lack of sexual prowess while a female virgin is considered virtuous… even, and or mostly, by females.
And acknowledging differences in the world, and further, expanding upon them and explaining them to the intellectually challenged is a far cry from conjuring up an excuse.
Would you also say that because we here in Canada argue that there is a reason we spend several hundred dollars on good, warm jackets and boots, is an attempt at excusing our wealth, when compared to Africans who don’t spend much money on heavy clothing?
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Ouch! We hurt AFOR’s feelings. He is human, and even has emotions.
Sorry AFOR. We didn’t mean to offend you, just poke hole in your self assured certainty. Now that I see you have some feelings, I find you irresistably cuddlyable and I will lay off. I like most of what you say, just not the fact that you are generally not open to other views, but your vulnerability here reveals a complexity of character that I will have to take into consideration from here on out. No harm meant. Now back to Null, someone actually deserving of a falst rape allegation. Budambump! KSSHHH!
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“PUAs need some way of resolving the double standard of shaming and condeming sluts while at the same time banging those same sluts on a daily or weekly basis. Hence the excuses.”
Misstated as only a true feminist could!
Men don’t condem sluts, they devalue them. Most any man would have no trouble having sex with a slut (provided they looked somewhat decent and ample protection were available). But, those same men hold little value for the that slut in terms of a long(er)-term relation ship – she’s only good for a F’-n-Chuck .
So what’s the issue, any way? Sluts willing go along with being repeatedly F’ed-n-Chucked (seems they like it). And, men also willing go along.
On the other side, stud’s like to F’-n-Chuck. And women seem quite content to go along with that as well.
Why isn’t it all one big ” win-win”, dumbass?
It’s basically just the gender-feminists who want to see female promiscuity come to be valued by men the same way male promiscuity is valued by women (women vastly prefer studs over virgins). But there are plenty of very sound reasons why female promiscuity will never be valued by men.
When women chose to become promiscuous, they do so of their own free will. But, the consequence they may pay for doing so comes in finding that no self-respecting man, of any discernible quality, will want to marry them. Tough! They made their choice.
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“When Shit Gets Sold as Soap” is a v educational link
the description of how the grrls in the office SPONTANEOUSLY formed their little femsupremacist cabal — on the erroneous assumption that guys do the same kneejerk scheming — perfectly illustrates the reality of the western world
not only does “patriarchy” NOT exist, it never existed
matriarchy, otoh, suffuses and dominates the world, though it’s existence is vehemently denied (on those rare occascions when the word is actually permitted to be uttered or printed)
as the article suggests, “patriarchy” is actually a chimera that females collectively project, out of their own selfishness, greed, paranoia, and will-to-power, onto males collectively
most females really DO assume that — like themselves — males are constantly plotting how to dispossess and disempower females
females — along with the planet generally — then utilize this projection to form, favor, and fund female-specific “protection” and power organizations, like the office fem-clique described, as a way of combatting a “patriarchy” that never was . . . except in the fevered and false projections of woman’s own psychosis onto male consciousness
it’s a closed-loop of female assumption projected outward onto males, under the mistaken belief that males are as debased, hostile, and vengeful as females know themselves to be — then the uroboros returns to its own projection, like a dog to its own vomit
. . . the loop is closed in materia, manifested concretely in the various and endless institutions, groups, laws, attitudes and propaganda that make up the Ma-tricks
the psychology is like that of a thief, who rationalizes that her victims WOULD steal from her if they had the chance, and that in fact those Others are all theives too, and therefore she is justified in protecting herself from those Others by forming Theives Teams of her own
in reality, her N.O.W. and her matriarchy are merely projections of the innate pathologies — and shortcomings — of the true nature of herself and her gender, mirrored-back onto herself
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Jabherwochie January 12, 2010 at 14:14
Ouch! We hurt AFOR’s feelings. He is human, and even has emotions.
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Dude, you didn’t hurt my feelings. Nor did fedrz or CM
All that happened is federz and CM just outed themselves as people who think False Rape Accusations are something to joke about.
What’s the comedy theme for next week?
Testicular Cancer?
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Look everyone. This is obviously a blog of trolls. We obviously all come here to discuss ways of avoiding discussion, a place for like minded mysoginistic and homophobic trolls to try to ignore the truth about why we suck by trolling our own analysis of how feminist suck, and thus having to prove nothing except that something, somewhere, sucks. Its all irrelevent. Null is right. Lets just shut down this blog and go troll on feminist websites. That way, we will actually be doing something useful. Good thing an anti-troll like the mighty UriNull showed up to set us straight and get us back on track. Wow. We were Blog Trolls, and didn’t even know it. Long live Null! Hail the new Ceaser! Where shall we join you Null? Feministing? Feminism, wine, and cats? Where? Lead us, and we shall strike with our irrelevancy! You have shown us how so well! What a great leader! All bow to Null! All bow! ……Bow dammit!….Why aren’t ya’ll listening to me!, Bow to Null our new leader!…Bow I say!…..
Null. They’re not listening. I think I must be……… irrelevent?
Okay then, lets just ban Null. Help me make a mark on the world. Help me be relevent.
“JabberwockyforthebanningofNull.blogspot”
You can find me at the above link, making a difference.
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Dude, you didn’t hurt my feelings. Nor did fedrz or CM
“All that happened is federz and CM just outed themselves as people who think False Rape Accusations are something to joke about.
What’s the comedy theme for next week?
Testicular Cancer?”
How about AFOR’s lack of humor. It would be a little Seinfieldian.
Lighten up AFOR. I liked you better when you weren’t hiding the one crack in your armor. Its okay to admit someone got under your skin. You’ll always be Alpha to me.
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Good God, if that is the best you can do it is no wonder you have issues getting laid… — Afor earlier on, entering the debate.
I’m not going to flame or insult either one of you…
There really is *no* difficulty in understanding how some of you guys can’t get laid. You’re fucking assholes. “Game†is no antidote for that. — Afor, later in the debate.
That’s twice you’ve flamed me in a short amount of time. I didn’t seek out conflict with you… but don’t get all weepy when you show up out of the blue and take multiple swings at a guy, that he might swing back.
And, you were the one who claimed that when you pull out that manly 12″ cock of yours, that the sale is made.
Then, explain your situation to us, if that is the case. Obviously, she’s at the customer service desk trying to get her money back.
I didn’t say it was right… but, you’re the one who is claiming that when you pull out your manly 12″ piece of throbbing gristle, that it is a done deal… when quite obviously it is not.
PS. – When did I ever claim to be a PUA or even a personal advocate of Game?
And, also, I’ve never had to yack about my 12″ cock to impress others with my self-perceived sexual prowess. I feel quite comfortable about my sexuality, and my abilities to use it – which is why I don’t need to boast mindlessly about it.
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Ignore null. He must disagree with all articles in here, no matter what is the subject. And stop asking him to give counter-points: He doesn’t have any. Duh.
To the point:
Excellent article, Ferdinand. Since women are spoiled childs, they have absolutely no motivation to learn the realities of this world, the Sexual market being ruled by the Law of Supply and Demand, like any other market comes on top.
I believe that all men want a Long Term Relationship (read: not marriage, that one is upon us for the shame beatstick). Since sluts are uncapable to fill that need, they are disliked by men. But, since men want a sexual release, they don’t have any problem with fucking a slut, but a slut is uncapable of empathy or forming a psychological bond, so she cannot fulfill the deeper needs of a man. That’s why sluts are disliked.
On the other hand, women do want a LTR too, but the nature of her desires (they only want the males on top) combined with their capacity of rationalization makes that, when they follow their impulses, just doomed to be another girl on the harem of the top males, discarded when she gets in her 30′s.
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@Jabherwochie
LMAO. Tears of laughter.
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Gx1080 January 12, 2010 at 14:34
“I believe that all men want a Long Term Relationship”
You would believe incorrectly. Now I know the truth about women I’d really rather have a dog if I was going to live in one place.
Don’t get me wrong. I do like the lady friends I have and I do like them being around. Just not living in my house. Many of my german colleagues and I don’t do ‘relationships’. We do ‘relaxionships’.
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@Globalman
Who said anything about living together?
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Gx1080 January 12, 2010 at 14:58
My bad….I assumed that was part of LTR.
I have had friends define LTR as ‘more than one date’. LOL! I don’t see it that way.
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To anyone wasting their time with AfOR:
The guy is bragging about the size of his dick on an internet forum. That should tell you everything you need to know about him.
To anyone wasting their time with null:
null is the entity alternately known as tokyojesusfist/contrarian/you know who/someone. He’s been banned from Roissy’s blog multiple times, and he was banned by Welmer for falsely alleging that zed excused rape in this article here:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/31/the-biological-context-of-sexuality-and-mating/
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/31/the-biological-context-of-sexuality-and-mating/#comment-7139
For anyone who persists in arguing with him, I’ve got a brick wall not far from my home that you can bash your head into repeatedly – it’s as equally productive and enjoyable.
‘the ludicrous new claim that men have a biological clock. ‘
It’s not a new claim. Get a biology degree.
Some men hit the wall sooner than others. A very small number of men can conceive children at eighty – most men are washed up long before that.
Idiot.
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@Ferdinand Bardamu
Oh, he’s someone? Didn’t noticed it, barely remembered the guy.
About AfOR, I saw the braggadocio about his dick size. That’s why I didn’t even bothered in mentioning him.
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@soy boy
Most men don’t live to 80. And male parenthood at an old age is perfectly possible. Just ask Picasso.
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soy boy:
Evidence?
Again, evidence?
Well, sorry for derailing your thread… although, this type of stuff used to be standard fare on the internet about these issues, and… well… I guess I kinda miss the way it used to be. Kinda like how the rodeo keeps “cowboying” alive. When I first started showing up and talking about these things, I used to get smacked down pretty bad, and pretty fast. It took me a while, and then I found ways to smack down people like this, and have a ball doing it. In fact, I kind of enjoy it now.
These people don’t threaten me, nor hardly insult me. What I find most insulting nowadays, are my allies that deem it their responsibility to attack and undermine me, for God knows what reason. That makes me very angry – although, I am not claiming that anyone here on this thread has been trying to do that.
Much of what I learned was born out of debating mindless nitwits. In fact, the only opposing voice I have really ever encountered that was a persistent thorn in my side that I had to stop and think about first, was a male feminist, named Ampersand. But, after time, he too shrunk away. The truth always wins!
But, you know, while null is an obvious idiot, this is the exact same argument that we, as men, face each and every time we try to discuss these issues outside of our own cliques… and it does actually relate to the topic of this thread. Namely, androgyny, and thinking both sexes come at eachother from the same motivations, and are seeking similar things from eachother, when they are not.
I am one of those guys who, as I have aged, have managed to become sexual with several women who I “missed” when I was a nice-guy, and landed them later in life… or, have had the opportunity to befriend ex-girlfriends later on in life.
A common theme that came out was the challenge from these women that “they have had more boyfriends than I have had girlfriends,” or that, “they have had more sex than I have.”
Well, first off… I am a “Don’t Kiss and Tell” kind of guy – even when challenged like that. It is low class… plus, I found out early that women will do all the talking for me that is neccessary, so long as I keep my own mouth shut.
Second, it always puzzled me that women challenged me with this… it was like, “so?” Seems you are more experienced at failing in relationships with me than anything else.
But, all things considered, what we now know about game… how much of that is basically trying to create higher mate value by saying to me, “I am more valuable than you because more guys have banged me than girls have banged you.”
Yes!
Please!
Mother my children!
Obviously, here are more women thinking that they are more valuable than me because their slutty behaviour allowed more keys to unlock their vaginal locks, than my key could unlock other sluts… in other words, they themselves were trying to project their own sexual desires onto males, thinking that a woman who gets banged by lots of guys is valuable in the same way that a guy who bangs lots of girls is valuable to them.
How wrong they were.
It is the same way with tattoos.
I don’t find tattoos on men to be repugnant, however, women with tattoos – especially ass antlers, repulse me.
But, do the projection thing.
Men with tattoos are often thought of to be “bad boys.”
Bad Boys get laid – lots! Women moisten their panties instantly for a bad boy.
But… men are not really that turned on by fucking a “bad girl.”
Who wants to fuck a biker bitch?
Not me.
I am attracted to innocence and purity. Sorry, toots.
One girl, when telling me that she was going to get some ass antlers… I responded by saying that if I ever fucked her, it would be on her back. No doggie for you. She insisted I would still fuck her… and I insisted “only missionary. I don’t ever want to see that hideous thing. Instant limp dick.”
Really. Who would you rather have sex with? An innocent and fresh looking woman, or some biker bitch with mindless back-alley graffiti all across her rump.
“Roll over and lie on your back, please.”
But, I think women, again, have become so attracted to things like tattoos because they identify men with tattoos to be bad-boys with a higher sexual value, and so, they get them themselves, thinking that it will make them more sexually attractive to males.
However, I have noticed over the years, that the only men who don’t find tattoos to be repulsive on a woman, are men with tattoos themselves.
Enjoy your permanently out of style leg warmers, ladies.
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Obviously, here are more women thinking that they are more valuable than me because their slutty behaviour allowed more keys to unlock their vaginal locks, than my key could unlock other sluts… in other words, they themselves were trying to project their own sexual desires onto males, thinking that a woman who gets banged by lots of guys is valuable in the same way that a guy who bangs lots of girls is valuable to them.
How wrong they were.
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One mo’ time -
http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/11/05/what-girl-game-isnt/
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I don’t find tattoos on men to be repugnant, however, women with tattoos – especially ass antlers, repulse me.
LMFAO
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Good point ray.
Men tend to operate on the natural world, while women operate on the world of men. The survival of each depends on the mastery on their respective domains.
I read a very simple example of this recently where a man was describing the structure of a high-rise building – how it was in essence a steel frame, which gave the building all of its structural integrity, and that all of the habitable space was riding on this steel skeleton. In this way, natural forces like gravity and human forces like the high price of land in a city center were simultaneously overcome. A female academic interpretation of this same high-rise building was that it was a phallic monument – the tall erect nature of the high-rise building was a natural consequence for men, whose minds were predisposed to think in these terms.
Of course, the man’s explanation is correct for what he considers important – it is the natural world that presents the pertinent problems for the construction of high-rise buildings, and it is to the natural world that the man addresses himself.
The woman, on the other hand, addresses herself to the world of men, and mastery of them is contingent on deceiving them. Her explanation plants within men doubt about the value of their achievements, and allows her access to their labor by calling into question its worth.Regardless of her accusation of high-rise buildings being phallus symbols, she still wants to be the occupier of the penthouse apartment. I expect most of the penthouses overlooking Central Park are occupied by women, many of them sole occupants. Marilyn French lived and died in such a place, and paid the rent with printed words ridiculing the entirety of manhood. Ruth Madoff still lives in one, paid for by the stolen wealth of others for which her husband is in jail for a while.
So both explanations are correct, but correct in terms of the differing domains they are attempting to conquer.
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Fedrz:
AMPERSAND? Heh heh, I had a run in with him last August when he linked one of my posts as an example of extremist MRA/antifeminist/PUA views on the George Sodini affair, inspiring a legion of fembots to clog my comment section with their incessant chirping. Tenacious little mangina, isn’t he? I gave him a swift literary throttling the next day, and he hasn’t bothered me since:
http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/08/07/my-views-are-ugly-and-disturbing/
You know what’s funny? I’ve found a LOT of younger women are doing that nowadays, bragging about their numbers, thinking it makes them more desirable. I’ve met girls who’ve INFLATED their partner counts, and even one college chick who spent her time boasting about how many guys she’d fucked when she was, in fact, a barely-been-kissed virgin. (Must write that story up one of these days.) And of course there was that chick from Harvard or Yale – can’t remember – who posted a pic of her post-coital, semen-smeared face on her blog to show off to her friends. If you want a more recent example, see this college chick I skewered last November (thanks for the plugs, Get Real):
http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/11/05/what-girl-game-isnt/
It’s all very, very amusing. And sad.
Never miss a chance to talk about the Wile E. Coyote moment that women face.
Even Sex and the City showed the Charlotte character acutely aware of this terrifying transition…..
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soy boy,
To the extent men have a ‘clock’, men still have over 20 more years of fertility and SMV than women.
My maternal grandfather had his last kid at 62 (my grandmother was 45). In fact, my grandfather had the final 6 of his 12 kids after the age of 47.
HIS brother (my grand-uncle) had 3 kids after the age of 50.
So men having kids after 50 is well-established.
My other (paternal) grandfather had 2 kids after the age of 40.
Men are viable for 20 more years than women are. Period.
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Woohoo, I won, I won! Apologies… solipsism got to me again.
Joking aside, just want to comment on the idea of elders giving advice to younger people.
With roots in an “Eastern culture,” one of the greatest differences I find with the West is the shocking lack of respect for people in what should be a position of authority – which includes those elder to us.
The wisdom of people who have lived a long life, and seen all of what we’ve gone through (and perhaps more), is overruled by some sort of contrarian idea of “flat hierachies” and “all ideas should be valued.”
I can’t stand to see how people hear treat their parents with joking contempt, at how “out of touch” they are or how “my grandma keeps on bothering me to find a nice guy and settle down…I’m 27 nana, geez.”
Thank goodness for GirlGame literature out there, like “Fascinating Womanhood” and the “Technique of the Love Affair,” written in the 1950s (and staunchly anti-feminist) and the 1900s (when feminism was just beginning, which it addresses in terms of working women not being equal – I MUST write a GirlGame post on this book).
By the way, Ferdinand – the authors of the Rules claim they just wrote down all of that “grandmotherly” wisdom handed down through the ages. One might find again and again Rules girls talking about how these are age-old ideas, even as far back as the Old Testament (if not older). Just something to consider… especially in the light of massive male disgust for them. But ask any older woman from the old country, and she might just give a smile of recognition when she hears them…
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Ferdinand (and all),
Some guys will take ANY woman -
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f7/i-got-married-last-weekend-pics-877461/
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“A common theme that came out was the challenge from these women that “they have had more boyfriends than I have had girlfriends,†or that, “they have had more sex than I have.â€
Well, first off… I am a “Don’t Kiss and Tell†kind of guy – even when challenged like that. It is low class… plus, I found out early that women will do all the talking for me that is neccessary, so long as I keep my own mouth shut.
Second, it always puzzled me that women challenged me with this… it was like, “so?†Seems you are more experienced at failing in relationships with me than anything else.”
I like reading your opinions fedrz. You’re a straight talker and make lots of sense.
“But, all things considered, what we now know about game… how much of that is basically trying to create higher mate value by saying to me, “I am more valuable than you because more guys have banged me than girls have banged you.â€
Yes!
Please!
Mother my children!”
I like the way you put that
As for the tattoo thing.. Leaves me cold, too. Don’t like them on men, C-A-N-N-O-T stand them on women..Unfortunately there are a few foolish women around who think tattoos are the” bees knees ”
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Welmer, if you keep allowing brainless imbeciles such as Afor, and trolls such as Nul, to comment here, do not be surprised to find that your serious posters go elsewhere for their enlightenment.
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Welmer, if you keep allowing brainless imbeciles such as Afor, and trolls such as Nul, to comment here, do not be surprised to find that your serious posters go elsewhere for their enlightenment.
Seriously, dude.
What a lightweight threat.
Where are you going to go?
Exactly?
If there is such a plethora of enlightened sites out there, why don’t you give us a fucking list of them.
I know you consider yourself an ally, then act like one… but what an impotent threat. Like people didn’t threaten that all the time before something better came along… like The Spearhead!
Yeesh.
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Welmer,
You should downsize the size of your house!
I think I just cost you a paying customer.
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Alright fedrz, YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!
jk
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D’oh!
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piercedhead–
“I expect most of the penthouses overlooking Central Park are occupied by women, many of them sole occupants”
you expect right O Oracular One!
tote ‘em up and tote ‘em out
;O)
“Marilyn French lived and died in such a place, and paid the rent with printed words ridiculing the entirety of manhood. Ruth Madoff still lives in one, paid for by the stolen wealth of others for which her husband is in jail for a while.”
yeah a generation of smiling vampires, building their supremacist empire off male agony
e.g. oprah profiting from foreskins
etc
like Mary Daly, French and Madoff wrote their own tickets
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AMPERSAND?
Yup, you should have tried being on an MRA forum back then when fucktwits like him got more respect by the mods than a guy like you or me!
It wasn’t just that he tied my tongue with all kinds of bullshit… but, when he came into my backyard, my supposed “allies,” who also deemed themselves our self proclaimed “leaders,” tied our tongues on our “own” sites just as badly.
Men have always been the main enemy.
Back then, Angry Harry was a wild talking, loosie goosie, misogynist extradordinaire, and I barely dared to link him… he was so freakin’ radical!
He was even getting attacked by other prominent people in the MRM.
Lol!
That was only 5 or 6 years ago.
My, how things change… even if we don’t always notice it.
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And, I do mean that Ampersand would show up on MRA forums, and the mods would do back flips that this sack of lard would show up and behave like Null, and we would get mod’d more than an insulting bag of crap than he was.
That’s how I remember it, anyhow.
Then I met some real MRA’s… and the rest is history!
Small wonder why MGTOW appealed to some of us.
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In fact… I got banned from one major MRM forum because I started exploring the merits of religion – like the Bible… I was told I was no longer allowed to talk about it… and then I e-mailed a fellow named AH and he suggested I write about it on a start up forum, that wasn’t too big at the time, so I did… and the owner of the first forum, the big one, was lurking there, and he got angry with me that I didn’t adhere to his orders to stop talking about that subject and subsequently banned me from his forum for speaking of subjects he had forbidden me from speaking of… even though it was elsewhere on the internet than his site…
But… Ampersand was treated with the utmost respect when he showed up! GOSH! The Mighty Crossdresser has decided to speak to us about his ideas of “equality!” We all better be respectful! Especially about fat people who wear panties and suck cock! We MUST respect them!
Kinda pathetic, really.
No wonder they used to clobber us.
MGTOW was the best thing that ever happened to men. It freed us from that crap.
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Rollo Tommasso, btw, behaved no different than the mod of that one forum I mentioned… and was such a fucking jackass to me, that I never looked at a PUA forum again… until I started reading “Reality Method” and then, later, Pook and further “Roissy”, so, don’t you Gamers go yacking about your own merrits.
If MGTOW shoved certain men away from you guys… so did certain leaders of the “Game” movement behave like similar jagoffs to other men.
I’m just glad all this knowledge is coming together.
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fedrz:
i’m interested in hearing your beginning in the MRA/MRM forum world. i really don’t know much about the history; it’s sort of confusing because – like sifting any kind of media outlet – it’s hard to discern the “good” from the “bad”.
i understand that zed has been around for a while; angry harry as well; paul elam too.
if you get around to it and care to enlighten, i think it would good for some of us men newer to the whole genre to hear a little bit about it’s history here on the internet.
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Afor
[quote]You want a better analogy, here is one.
“A man who can open any lock is known as a locksmith,
A lock that can be opened by any locksmith is know as a lock.â€[/quote]
A man who is a locksmith has trained to be a locksmith and puts his experience into his profession. He is not your Average Joe in context of locks.
A lock is a lock. If it opens easily then it was a low quality lock to begin with.
Null
[quote]PUAs need some way of resolving the double standard of shaming and condeming sluts while at the same time banging those same sluts on a daily or weekly basis. Hence the excuses.[/quote]
Why?
The fact that he is riding on the village bike for free, doing jumps and acrobatics now and then, does not mean he needs to value it like a new/almost new bike.
then I read Swlerner
[quote]Men don’t condem sluts, they devalue them. [/quote]
Thank you.
GX1080
[quote]but a slut is uncapable of empathy or forming a psychological bond,[/quote]
@Soy Boy : If your name implies what you like eating, research soy, and learn that With Commercial products of Soy , you will indeed stay a boy.
Mala
[quote]I’ve found a LOT of younger women are doing that nowadays, bragging about their numbers, thinking it makes them more desirable.[/quote]
Even better. Cuts down the time to assess (even though the default assumption is bed w/o the breakfast) if the woman may be worthy of a breakfast or just worthy of some bed action.
Speeds up the elimination process.
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We will soon see Cougar Conventions that have 200,000 attendees…..
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Fedrz:
Believe me, I know that:
http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/10/07/a-brief-note-on-mras-and-mgtows-in-regards-to-game/
Chuck:
Seconded.
fedrz,
I lol’d.
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The reality is the getting sex is equally easy for both sexes.
Unless you have 1 in 1,000 females who do nothing but lie on their back getting fucked day and night, simple logic tells you this has to be so.
I can think of six guys off the top of my head, that I know personally, who are in their 30′s and haven’t touched pussy since pussy touched them (birth). And they most likely never will unless they decide to use the services of a hooker.
Yet I don’t know a single woman who cannot get laid. The older overweight ones have to put in a little effort, but they can still get some. What they can’t get is commitment. But a few nights of dick? That’s easy.
Why? Contrast the beta/omega six with one friend who is an Alpha and is currently dating/screwing 5 women. Since we know women are serially monogamous, that means most or all of the 5 are off the market right now.
It doesn’t take a lot of Alphas banging 5 women simultaneously to severely tilt the marketplace. The Alpha seeking nature of women combined with the harem keeping nature of Alpha’s means that sex is very hard to come by for most men, yet easy for most women. All a woman has to do to get sex at any time, even an overweight woman in her 30′s, is lower herself to a one night stand with a beta. For the beta to get sex he has to either get really lucky and be the one night dildo for the desperate chick, or he has to raise himself to the level of an Alpha.
That has been the reality ever since the break down of marriage and morality in the west, and it’s not pretty for most men. I have friends on both sides of the coin and I have to say, a lifetime without sex and female affection does not do nice things to a man’s personality or mental state. I finally realize just how important 1 man/1 woman marriage was to male cooperation and the building of the west. If you want to see what Alpha harems and unrestrained female hypergamy look like, head to the middle east.
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DT
[blockquote]I finally realize just how important 1 man/1 woman marriage was to male cooperation and the building of the west. [/blockquote]
How I wish that my buddies here would get that too.
I am talking about average guys who, while not having gotten laid more than once a year in the last 5, and that with chubbies at best, are telling me how good the sexual revolution was for them…
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On the topic of sluts not being for commitment comment a bit above,
I knew that male sperm has some chemicals in it that induce the “feel-good” effect in a woman, happiness feeling, and also help bonding with the men.
I.e.: Women whose men started using condoms after a time of raw riding reported feelings of depression. Like withdrawal symptoms.
Yesterday or so a blogger I follow made the connection with this bonding factor and a woman’s body changing to suit the partner’s, in terms of immune changes etc, to ease reproduction.
Then he mentioned that women’s systems are confused after encountering so much different semen.
Now, we use condoms, so the effect of various semen would be stopped, but what if the skin has similar receptors as the vagina, what if a man’s sweat has a similar effect as sperm on the woman (except impregnating, ha).
So a woman who has had many partners, actually has a bloody confuse system.
We may have a biological basis for not finding sexually empowered women suitable for any long term endeavor, besides the psychological “she cant bond” reason.
It is her body which cannot bond.
Btw, how the hell do I make a quote?
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Female fidelity/sexual trustworthiness was essential to guarantee paternity. If a man wants to ensure his genetic legacy placing any kind of value on a slut is the wrong way to go about it.
Individually there isn’t really any motivation for a women to be sexually monogamous if there is no risk/consequences in getting caught, do you think a women gives a damn who the REAL father is as long as the child is provided for? However as a group sexual restraint will do two things 1). Rise the total sexual value of all women (Note. Any dissent effects all women) and 2). Reduce competition. Thus women though not naturally inclined will sexually regulate themselves.
As you can see both men and women place high value on female sexual restraint but the motivations for doing so are different for both sexes.
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fedrz
I’d like to 3rd the request of bringing some of the earlier history of the MRM to light. Also, how many of these white knights masquerading as men are still active? I am aware that it takes some men a severe jolt to open their eyes, however long-standing manginas/white knights get nothing but my deepest contempt. Awhile back, I read the blog of some pudgy mangina attacking the MRM that had it’s usual effect of turning my stomach–I have mentioned a number of times that I loathe these ‘men’ even more than I do regular women feminists who are usually so absurd and illogical that I flat out won’t bother debating them (had plenty of practice over the years, as pointless as talking to a wall).
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Well, I don’t know if I am perhaps the best guy to give a complete history of the MRM. I have only been around online for about 5 or 6 years now. Got my start by spamming porno forums with my yahoo group
I was pretty low-class back then (not much has changed, eh?) For ancient history, you’d have to get Zed to talk of all his experiences, because he’s been around since before fire was invented. Ragnar as well has been around for a while, and is one of the original MGTOW guys. From what I understand from Zed, many of the “smarter” people in the MRM used to have to talk in sort of a “code” with eachother, and much of the more intellectual things were actually passed from man to man via e-mail rather than publicly on a forum.
I was around for perhaps a year or two before MGTOW made their debut, and it was sorely needed. I had pretty much abandoned the MRM already by that point – although, I am a bit of a hothead with a big mouth, so it is perhaps not fair to blame everything on others… lol, not everything.
It was not very intellectual, though. Making generalizations would get you the boot. Making even the slightest un-PC argument would get you the boot – unless you could back everything up with a “peer-reviewed study.” That was about the only way you could make any case that went against the general views of society. It was silly, actually. Kind of like asking a Jew to defend himself in a Nazi court, and only allowing him to use peer-reviewed arguments approved by a Nazi University. Of course, for every peer-reviewed study you could find supporting your argument, there were 25 more opposing your argument. Everybody would sit around pissing their pants, worrying about what people would think about us, so writing a few opinioned paragraphs on a forum would require quite a bit of effort, finding links and of course, an out had to be given several times during your spiel – ie. “Not all women are like that…” Mostly, I found MRM forums to mainly consist of people finding articles from the MSM and posting them on a forum, followed by a long string of PC one-liner comments such as “Good Article! Great Find!” or “Tsk, tsk, how misandric!” It was really about the only thing that would keep in good standing. Certainly asking questions like, “but why are things this way?” and trying to explore such notions, would get you into hotwater in a hurry.
Also, the MRM consisted of many people who didn’t want open criticism of feminism, because feminism represented “equality,” and that would make us look bad. Many of the more prominent people within the MRM were openly identifying themselves to be feminists, and actually defending the whole hate movement. “Not all feminists are like that. Some of us are equity feminists.”
So, as I remember the MRM when I first found it, MRA’s called themselves “egalitarians,” and what was politically correct to ask for was “our piece of the equality pie.” Basically, trying to show that men were victims too, asking for sympathy. That the sympathy never came, and we were obviously getting our asses handed to us time and time again, could never be properly examined, in my opinion.
Another feature that became evident time and time again, was that the women that showed up “to help” were a complete disaster. They would shut down any conversation they didn’t like, often by befriending forum members and then pitting one against the other. We had to walk on eggshells, and several times, a woman would get all emotional and threaten to leave and no longer support us… and then the Captain Save-a-ho’s would come out of the phone booth and chastise the evil bastard who upset everyone’s favourite woman.
Many women were there making sure we knew that “there were still good women out there – look at me! I treat my husband with respect, and love him to bits, and he is always happy with me.” In other words, “It’s sad that you’ve gotten kicked in the balls by the past 25 women you’ve met, but you are just picking the wrong women – don’t give up hope, and certainly don’t stop trying to find that tootsie roll in the big pile of turds that is society!”
Others would show up and and talk about their big tits, or what kind of panties they were wearing… tantalizing men to be their allies through their sexuality.
Others would convince men that nothing was worth doing unless all the women agreed… if the women didn’t agree, then we certainly would never be able to sell it to society. So, if a woman opposed you, that was that. Time to shut it Mr.
Another womanly feature in the MRM was Sorenstam Syndrome, where a woman who merely voiced support for men, and did a few minor things to support “the cause,” was automatically highlighted as a fierce warrior, far and above more valuable than the men who were doing much more. Nobody knew who the 5th place guy was, but we certainly knew the woman who was 95th out of 115 – and she was extremely valuable, and her voice would be given much more weight than it was worth.
Once the women showed up “to help,” you could pretty much set an egg-timer to watch the destruction that followed.
Like Angry Harry says, “Having a woman help with the MRM is like having a 5 year old help you put up wallpaper. No thanks!”
And, worst of all, everyone only hung out on these forums. It was totally impotent, and certainly things were not moving forward intellectually.
So, a few guys – like Zed and Ragnar, got together – they even travelled to meet eachother, and they discussed what could be done about the situation. One thing they apparently observed was that men were so pigheaded and stubborn, and undermined eachother so much, that it was like each Man was Going Their Own Way. And thus, the term MGTOW was born. It is left as “MGTOW” on purpose, so that it is unpronounceable – slicksters that they were!
MGTOW did not neccessarily mean “marriage strike” in the beginning, although it certainly had large elements within it that supported that. What I understood it more to mean was “Go your own way! Get off these restrictive forums! Start your own blog! Say what you want to say, and don’t give a shit about the rest!”
And, that’s how I entered into the fray with MGTOW.
We were just a few ragtag bloggers, and we were quite under-educated in many ways, coming out of the PCness that had been bashing us up the side of the head. There was quite a bit of anger in the beginning, and we were certainly not the nicest of people – we spent a lot of time telling people who didn’t like what we had to say to simply “fuck off!” Fred X called everyone a femcunt about 60 times in each article, and Eternal Bachelor was a good writer who skewered people left and right… and we all basically supported a free speech policy, even to our enemies… but… that also gave us free speech, and man did we use it to attack anyone so stupid to come and white knight us. There were a lot of pissed off guys out there!
But, what we did agree to was to link to eachother, and to support eachother. And we did. Anyone who started up a MGTOW blog instantly got a shout-out from us to the rest of the community, and recieved a link on the sidebar.
These “each man for himself” mode made a “free market of ideas.” Some bloggers made it, and others didn’t. But, the result was that our intellectual ability went through the roof (after we calmed down a bit). Many politically incorrect things started to be examined and researched. The whole notion of “equality” began to be examined, and so on. History began to get talked about sometimes, and politics questioned. We began to form our own “Studies of the Sexes.”
And then “Game” entered into the picture, and it supported many of the observations and arguments we had been making… namely, rather than asking for sympathy and begging for a few scraps from the table of equality, things began to come together in an explainable way of why things had developed the way they did, and how this whole sordid mess was created, and why so many of the earlier arguments were completely useless – such as demanding male equality in the home and family being a complete fantasy due to biological circumstances like hypergamy. If you had tried that argument before, you would have found yourself under quite a bit of attack for not being an “egalitarian.”
And, well… that’s the way I seen it develop since I’ve been involved. In my opinion, the two neccessary ingredients that were missing, have now been provided. The first was MGTOW turning men’s weakness of pigheadedness into a strength instead of a hindrance, and the second is the introduction of Game’s knowledge of Sexual Dynamics, which supported so many of our own ideas and observations.
In fact, I think we now have what is neccessary to create a serious body of intellectual work that will stand the test of time. Now we just have to keep building it… and we will… because we are men!
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Ferdinand Bardamu “He’s been banned from Roissy’s blog multiple times”
For no legitimate reason, I should add.
“and he was banned by Welmer for falsely alleging that zed excused rape in this article here:”
It wasn’t a false allegation.
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z.g. – “Btw, how the hell do I make a quote?”
Different Blog sites allow differing subsets of html tags. “blockquote”* will work here.
For the uninitiated (in hyper text markup), here’s a quick tutorial Basic HTML Tags
Using tags to set off quotes, etc. does make for a more readable thread – as does noting to whom you are responding to and/or directing comment towards. The key is to remember to close the tags, otherwise it tends to make things even worse (guilty more time than I’d care to admit). This site does offer a preview mode, so you can test out the effects of tagging.
* (in my experience, using the closing /blockquote tag here seems to be somewhat “hit and miss”).
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fedrz,
Thank you for the history. I always enjoy learning about where things have been while we see where they are going.
I’m grateful to the men who have gotten us this far. I’m not smart like you guys are,but since I took the Red Pill not to long ago,I am learning to think.
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Ferdinand
Thanks for this – answers the Rules query I raised in the comments to Obsidian’s blog.
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fedrz
Greatly appreciated!
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fedrz
I forgot to add that I’ve been to your site a number of times–I would recommend it to anyone, truly excellent work.
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That has been the reality ever since the break down of marriage and morality in the west, and it’s not pretty for most men. I have friends on both sides of the coin and I have to say, a lifetime without sex and female affection does not do nice things to a man’s personality or mental state. I finally realize just how important 1 man/1 woman marriage was to male cooperation and the building of the west. If you want to see what Alpha harems and unrestrained female hypergamy look like, head to the middle east.
Great points DT!
I think you will appreciate this article — one of the best I’ve read on this most-poorly understood (by the broader society) subject!
The American Spectator : Polygamy and Me
~ William Tucker
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/03/23/polygamy-and-me
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I’ll chime in with Soap and the others. A great history lesson there. And it fills in a few gaps I had in understanding some things. Like Newton, we stand on the shoulders of giants.
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How disgustingly Beta.
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Fedrz:
thanks for the history. very interesting.
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“How disgustingly Beta.”
If you’re trying to keep yourself intellectually above feminists, you should re-consider the wisdom of using words that don’t mean anything.
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“If you’re trying to keep yourself intellectually above feminists, you should re-consider the wisdom of using words that don’t mean anything.”
Or, better yet, back up ones arguments.
Still not a single example from you I see. FAIL!
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B&G, Kathy
kis
Examples too numerous to mention, both of “oh you hurt my feelings, so I’m going to flounce out weeping”, and the “oh you big mean brutes” Captain Save-a-Ho type. All of you know who I am talking about.
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“Many women were there making sure we knew that “there were still good women out there – look at me! I treat my husband with respect, and love him to bits, and he is always happy with me.—
But are these women holding other women accountable for their actions like men hold other men accountable for their actions every day of the week? No. They are not.
As far as I am concerned the default position is that any woman living in the western world is total crap until AFTER she proves her worth to me. I think men would be well advised to take this position. You will be correct 20x more often than you will be wrong.
Just keep in mind. Women know EXACTLY what is going on and they are doing nothing about it.
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” don’t give up hope, and certainly don’t stop trying to find that tootsie roll in the big pile of turds that is society!â€
Lol, zed!
Yes, I guess in retrospect, that’s how it was.
I have certainly learnt a lot since first discovering Marky Mark’s blog a few years ago. I was rather naive and on many an occasion copped a bollocking as a result.
I am not a complete fool, however, and soon came to understand that men were not interested in hearing the same old same old from supposedly” perfect “women (there ain’t no such thing-cringes)
Blogs like Marky Mark’s were a place for men to gather and share their experiences, with others in similar circumstances. Not for women to rain on their parades, no matter how well meaning.
Why I was drawn to MM’S blog, I cannot say for certain.( It was definitely an eye opener, that’s for sure.) Perhaps out of curiosity, initially.
And then…(please do not be offended.. when I say this) I felt sorry for many of those guys commenting there, and how they had been so mistreated by women. Just can’t help the way that I feel. Take it or leave it
To be honest, the reason I read the Spearhead daily , is, because I find the commentary and subsequent discourse to be intelligent and thought provoking. And.. to learn..
That’s it really..
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“As far as I am concerned the default position is that any woman living in the western world is total crap until AFTER she proves her worth to me. I think men would be well advised to take this position. You will be correct 20x more often than you will be wrong.”
Well said, Globalman. This cautionary principle is applicable in a number of areas, not just in relations with females. If it’s exceedingly obvious that something is likely to burn you when you touch it, why touch it? What do you think you stand to gain? For those who invest, just think of it as a “risk/reward” calculation. The risk/reward calculation for being involved with an AW is incredibly poor. Yet the average American dude looks at the crap that AW have become, ignores the outrageously bad risk/reward calculation, and does what Cramer did a week or two before Lehman Brothers went bankrupt: they hit the BUY BUY BUY button. Idiots.
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eh sorry but while it may not be as easy for guys to get laid as it is for girls, its still pretty freaking simple so long as you’re not freakishly ugly. because of this your whole idea that men who get laid a lot are “studs” because men have to work at it is flawed.
All male pigs (or what you call studs) have to do to get laid is the exact same thing female sluts have to d0- have absolutely no standards and no concern for your health. Both= equally pathetic.
And as a woman who is young and considered pretty good looking (and no im not basing this on number of emails received on some dumb dating site full of hideous desperate men who will email anyone for the hopes of getting it on with someone with a pulse) i can tell you that if all men really cared about was looks, i would have gotten married at 18. Its just not the case. yes guys like good looking women (just like women like good looking guys) but they want them to have a brain, ambition, goals, etc too. Until i was able to prove myself intellectually to these guys I was unable to get a guy to even call me his girlfriend. And I cant even begin to tell you about how many guys that only wanted to fuck me (and nothing more) went on to have meaningful and successful relationships with older, uglier women.
The only men who worship attractive women are ones who have clearly never been with one
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Very interesting history lesson there Rob!
I started my own blog up apparently just as the first wave of MGTOW bloggers you refer to had peaked and began to go ghost.
It doesnt’ seem that long ago when I would log on daily to your blog, the Eternal Bachelor, Fred X, Captain Zarmband, Outcast Superstar…damn.
You’re right though about the convergence of MGTOW and “GAME” putting all of the pieces of the puzzle together. This whole thing is evolving. Curious to see just how far this is going to go.
I do believe we are starting to see a general awakening amongst men on the internet.
I’ve been frequenting NFL football, MMA, and a few other non-MRM forums for years now, and I do notice more and more men who begin to give voice to many MRM ideas that were once completely verboten. Men saying things like “Don’t get married” and speaking out on the injustices of the divorce courts etc.
I usually do my part to egg those things on when they pop up, and I do notice that they are appearing more and more frequently in such places.
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Bar girl bedded 200 men after surfing web for sex with strangers | News Of The World
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/150070/Bar-girl-bedded-200-men-after-surfing-web-for-sex-with-strangers.html
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OK There is ONE thing you are all missing. There is another important differentiator as to why a male can never be a slut, and why a slut is a slut. This difference is called PREGNANCY. A woman who knowingly spreads her legs KNOWING she can get pregnant and have an illegitimate child for the sheer pursuit is sexual gratification is a slut. They know this is a risk, yet they open their legs. This is why we have laws against sexual assault because (one of these reasons being) we value a woman’s choice to NOT create a child. A man can freely go out and have sex with anyone and not have any responsibility. Even if he is responsible for impregnating girls, sex does not always produce pregnancy, and the male is not responsible for rearing or producing the baby. Therefore a girl who is sexually promiscuous will always be a slut and a man will never be. I cannot create more solid arguments off the top of my head but there is definitely a distinct difference here. Maybe some of you can try to logically explain this.
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Regardless of how promiscuous men are, whether it is their fault for being irresponsible or just plain A-holes, in the very final end it is the WOMAN who chooses to allow or not allow men to risk impregnation. That is why a loose woman is a slut and there is no double standard.
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@ blah
“All male pigs (or what you call studs) have to do to get laid is the exact same thing female sluts have to d0- have absolutely no standards and no concern for your health. Both= equally pathetic.”
Absolutely wrong. At least half of all female sluts are “selective” sluts and restrict their festivities to Alphas only.
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