At some point feminists (and other female supremacists) are going to develop new tactics to combat game. The Fifth Horseman has said that ramping up the false rape industry is one possibility. Based on a couple of things I have recently come across, this looks like it could happen.
The first is related to the Duke Lacrosse case. A few months ago, Duke University revised their “sexual misconduct†policy. While the Duke Lacrosse case was one reason this was done, another was that the reported cases of “sexual misconduct†at Duke had declined slightly. Ada Gregory, director of the Women’s Center at Duke University, had an absurd explanation for this fact saying, “The higher IQ, the more manipulative they are, the more cunning they are … imagine the sex offenders we have here at Duke—cream of the crop.†In other words, because Duke has intelligent men attending, they can get away with rape (and other “sexual misconductâ€) because they use their intelligence to convince the women they raped that they weren’t really raped at all. Effectively, Gregory is claiming that when it comes to intelligent men, most women won’t be able to determine that they were really raped because intelligent men can “trick†women into believing that they weren’t raped.
The new “sexual misconduct†policy also informs the Women’s Center at Duke of any “sexual misconduct†allegation and the Women’s Center is involved at every step of the process. The policy also contains language about how “real or perceived power differentials between individuals may create an unintentional atmosphere of coercion.†Effectively, Duke’s new policy claims that rape can’t be determined by the alleged victim, but by third parties (such as the ideologically driven “Women’s Centerâ€).
What does this have to do with game? These ideas can be used to ramp up the false rape industry to combat game. One thing I have heard from some people is that a false rape charge can’t happen when you use game, because good enough game will protect you. While this is debatable (and I don’t think there is any guarantee of this), let’s assume it is true. The problem becomes that this is no longer about a man and a woman. As the Duke “sexual misconduct†policy says, third parties (which we can assume are anti-male) will get involved. This is the key, because instead of dealing with a single woman, you’re dealing with an entrenched feminist bureaucracy so feminists won’t have to worry about minor problems such as women believing they consented to sex. Feminists will claim that using game implies a certain level of intelligence that allows a man with game to convince a woman sex was consensual. This will lead feminists to claim that using game is rape. In addition, feminists can also claim that game creates a “real or perceived power differential†which means that a man with game raped a woman even though he had no intention to do so.
Recently, Obsidian wrote a post concerning Denise Romano and her views of game. This led to her spamming The Spearhead, Obsidian’s blog, Ferdinand’s blog, and others with a comment about rape. Spam is the correct word to describe what Denise Romano did since her comments had nothing to do with the issues being discussed, and in the case of Ferdinand’s blog her comment was added to a post about his blog’s comment policy, making it true spam in every sense of the word. What Denise Romano is most likely trying to do is imply that men with game are effectively rapists. While we all know that’s a crock, this is the beginning of using the false rape industry to combat game. We have nothing to worry about from Denise Romano since she is doing it so poorly, but other feminists in the future may do it better.
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“Cultures Monogamous and Polyamorousâ€
[...] Ironically, the culture of polyamory aggressively fosters the kind of male feminists justly decry: the sexually and physically harassing, the abusing and abandoning male. “Being the natural cost of its defining project, these and related dysfunctions justify and necessitate more safety nets,” says Fagan. [...]
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/01/08/cultures-monogamous-and-polyam
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But Game is just the codification of methods of attraction which have always existed; it hasn’t created anything new, only presented it in a system.
So essentially, any man who is attractive enough for women to want to have sex with him is a rapist.
If any woman wishes to have sex with a man, then he has power over her, and it’s rape.
Why can’t we apply this the other way around, you may wonder? Well, it would make the majority of women rapists, for one thing, and the interest of these neanderthals is to make the majority of men into rapists.
Taking this to its logical conclusion – when a woman wants to have sex with a man, and he consents, he is a rapist, because he is attractive enough for her to want to have sex with. But if he doesn’t consent, he may be guilty of domestic abuse.
Which one will you pick, guys? Which false charge will you go to prison for?
We are moving closer and closer to the Andrea Dworkin school of sexual fascism, which states that all heterosexual intercourse is rape. By this kind of development, even a woman who willingly – aggressively – pursues sex with a man was in fact raped, because he used his intellectual cunning to get her to desire sex with him.
Because women certainly never get men to desire sex with them. If these people were at all honest, they would admit that almost all women are rapists, and that they are most likely rapists themselves.
Hell, why don’t we just say we’re all rapists? That seems to be the way it’s going.
I feel sorry for the actual rape victims, whose lives are traumatised by horrible physical, sexual attacks. Their experiences are absolutely trivialised by those seeking to extend the definition of ‘rape’ to encompass all consensual sex acts.
These people – feminists – are rabid. They want men to be rapists, because it fits their worldview. If men aren’t rapists, then feminism ceases to have a purpose. So if men aren’t raping in sufficient numbers, they have to change the definition of rape to fit what men are actually doing (having consensual sex).
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I ***AM*** one of the falsely accused.
(FRA as an acronym is used interchangeably for False Rape Accuser / Accusation(s).)
I am one data point, I do not pretend to speak for all the falsely accused, but…..
Frankly your assertion that FRA’s are a reaction to game are both insulting and attention seeking on the part of gamers, in exactly the same way as whiney feminazi bitches thing the world revolves around their cunt.
FRA exist because the dice have been loaded to make them exist, between no-strings-attached & no-questions-asked financial compensation for self declared “victims”, the female sympathetic Police, and the female sympathetic Courts, you have everything you could possibly want to explain the recent increases in FRA.
It has fuck all to do with the tiny proportion of men who game. Get over yourselves already.
I will draw your attention to a piece in the Times.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article6982160.ece entitled Feminism seen as promiscuity?
I’ll give you a couple of quotes…
“Bella agreed: “I met this guy in a pub the other night. We had sex once and … it’s pathetic. We’re lying there … and he says, ‘Are you going to sleep with other people?’ I thought: who are you; why are you asking me this? Obviously I’m having sex with other people. He decided he loved me; he was texting me and phoning me for days. After having sex once! What’s that about?â€
Wasn’t it possible he might have felt a real connection? The girls looked at me, shaking their heads — that isn’t how sex works.
“You don’t get so heavy with someone after one night,†said Ruby.
“I’m much more attracted to the guys who don’t really give a shit,†said Anna.
“God, yeah, there’s nothing attractive about a guy who gets all emotional on you,†said Bella. ”
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“There was this complete detachment from the act itself and what it means. This isn’t rape or sexual abuse, but it isn’t a positive experience. In some ways I find it quite disturbing. But people have so normalised this kind of sexual activity — it’s totally emotionless. The act itself is no longer about intimacy; it’s no longer about communication.†Esther feels that the culture she sees around her is not a true fulfilment of what feminists fought for in the 1960s: “People say that this kind of behaviour began in the 1960s, but I’m not sure. I get the feeling that the ideal of liberated sex in the 1960s was about really loving and valuing your body and being proud of it. Now there is a toxic mix, for young girls, of feeling they have to be sexually active but also feeling very critical of their bodies. So they will have lots of sex, but without pleasure or pride.”
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Frankly your assertion that FRA’s are a reaction to game are both insulting and attention seeking on the part of gamers, in exactly the same way as whiney feminazi bitches thing the world revolves around their cunt.
In his defense, the author wasn’t claiming that FRA’s were caused by Game, but that feminists may be “ramping up” FRA’s in response to Game–as more and more feminists become aware that men are employing Game to get laid, the likelihood that feminists will push for more FRA’s increases.
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Actually, this looks like the beginning of the attempt to destroy liberal universities.
Similar to television, if men stop attending various schools, those schools will shrink and eventually die. What would be interesting would be a “counter case”; the Fox News of college, if you will…
A strongly pro-male school would, I suspect, do extremely well in the current environment.
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Once I had sex with a woman who had really large, luscious breasts. I feel that her large luscious breasts were used by her in the form of a low cut top to coerce me into having sex with her. I was therefore raped.
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When I was in college 10 years ago I actually heard a male feminist authority figure state “Just because she pursues you, and goes somewhere private with you, and consents to sex, it does NOT mean the sex was consensual. The snorts from men and women in the room were audible. One punk rock woman said “That is one of the most insulting opinions against women I’ve ever heard.” The man then said something about how the male-dominated society makes a woman believe she wants to have sex, when in fact, the sex is rape.
These people are the liberal Taliban, but not nearly as logical.
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Just what I was thinking. Time for segregated further education?
Obviously this would be vociferously opposed by women’s advocacy groups, who are fully aware that male universities would achieve greater results than female universities, and with more students in the hard sciences.
So, guys, the choice is this – get falsely accused of rape, or don’t get an education. You don’t get a third option, because that would mean women not coming out on top.
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This reads like projection.
If there are smart guys, there are probably smart women there as well (though sometimes I have my doubts if there is such a thing). Imagine how manipulative and cunning a bunch of them working in concert would be at Duke – cream of the crop. They could convince innocent men they were rapists for political purposes that benefit women, then turn around and accuse the men there of being the rapists that they are because they have high I.Q.s, and that women are nothing more than unsuspecting dimwits being taken advantage of.
It’s a standard feminist pattern. When it comes to collecting benefits, women are as equally capable as men. When it comes to being held accountable, women are deficient in some way that excuses them.
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This is correct. Game does not cause false rape allegations. However, as we see with Denise Romano, she is trying to insinuate that the arch practitioners of game are somehow “rapists”. The problem is that the women involved (for the most part) will say that the sex was consensual so feminists need the way around it. Thus we have the Duke policy to involved feminist third parties to determine whether rape happened rather than the alleged victim.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some thick-headed feminists try to set someone up with an entrapment scheme.
BTW, Casanova was falsely accused of rape and had to flee Italy because of it. This stuff has been going on for a long time.
Gen 39:
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As I said on another thread, this would really be a shame if this type of ‘college-campus’ Marxism were to become the basis for a national polity, since this would further prevent most average men from getting into relationships with women, let alone having sex with them.
Paradoxically (or intentionally), this will effectively ensure that only the most aggressive and psychotic of ‘alpha’ males would be having sex and relations with most women, since they would, effectively, be the only one’s pursuing them.
Essentially due to this climate of intimidation, most women will, de facto, be out of the dating market for most men — through attempting to scare and shame average men from pursuing sex and intimacy with average women.
It’s too bad that such mentally-ill malcontents like ‘lady rain’ and the ‘tubby lady of many titles’ cannot (or will not) see that it is there envy and jealousy of decent, normal men and women that drive their raging psychosis to all that is good and beautiful in the world.
Whom the Gods destroy they first make mad
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A strongly pro-male school would, I suspect, do extremely well in the current environment.
Except feminists go after those as well–look at what happened to VMI and the Citadel 15 years ago. All-male schools are anathema to feminists.
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Pro-male school is different from all-male.
Were I 17 years old and looking for schools right now, I’d seriously consider a university in a moderate Muslim country.
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On a more positive note, India is fast becoming the preferred education on-line system.
Rather than spending all that good money in so-called “universities” where men are seen as scum, why not select an on-line university from India?
They offer a course in geology that I am rather interested in (for my own personal satisfaction). It is really inexpensive and their diplomas are recognized.
Food for thought, isn’t it?
This would seem to me to be a good cure: how can the feminist persecute you and accuse you of rape if you are not even there?
If men stay away from women, the feminists will be happy (more clits for them to suck). Having one’s life destroyed simply because the lesbos want more women is not worth the trouble.
Also, notice here that “common” women are not consulted: they are the merchandise that males and lesbos are courting: mere sex objects to be consumed.
Might as well buy a love doll, for all women are worth.
In any case, I thank God for being rid of the sex urge: it took a thousand pounds off my shoulders.
No more sex for me: I don’t even want that anymore… such a loss of precious time..
My mind is FREE. Until Nature frees you of the sex yoke, you can’t know the blessing of asexuality.
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I agree, though perhaps more sincerely than you meant it.
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One of those essays was so good that I am going to steal it for the Spearhead. Unless, of course, you as the author say no.
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Oh my! What an honour.
Go right ahead.
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Actually zed, it may be best if you email me first letting me know which of the articles you want to publish …
tomsnark@live.co.uk
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Here’s another false rape story. Not related to Game, but splendid in its hypocrisy.
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And, just for the fun of it, following a link from that article, I found – \
Young Swedish women more likely to have sex with each other: study
It may be a glitch in translation, but the simple statement that young women are “more likely” requires stating what or who they are “more likely” than. Reading the article indicates that they are “more likely” than young men their own age, but by inference it is probably safe to assume that they are also “more likely” than older people of either sex.
I think “hogwash” is accurately defined as a “fluid” of the sort that some people seem so proud of young Swedish women being.
BS, on the other hand, is generally considered more of a solid.
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I have seen them discussing “coercion” on some blogs. I think women really have a problem with men knowing that they respond to what they respond to. I think this also goes along with the “counterfeit alpha” aspect that others here have mentioned.
Personally, I think game allows men to get what they would otherwise get if we didn’t live in such a screwed up culture. Since feminism includes hatred for “average” men, those “average” men had to come up with ways to appear above -average to women. The reason women demand above-average men is because they are not realistic; most women simply don’t qualify for the alphas they want and will do anything not to admit it.
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Gregory is claiming that when it comes to intelligent men, most women won’t be able to determine that they were really raped because intelligent men can “trick†women into believing that they weren’t raped.So essentially she is saying that women are stupid.
Yep, this is yet another appeal to the “all men are rapists” school of feminist theology.
When women “trick” women into sex, are they also rapists?
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Lets be honest.
Women’s objections to Game is that they might have sex with a guy who is not “really Alpha.” That is the sole objection. Period. End of story.
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Whiskey: connectedly, if men know what turns women on, then female sexuality loses all of its mystique which feminists have tried so hard to cultivate. Accordingly, women lose much of their sexual-social power.
The fact that they are trying to get it back by criminalising men is just pathetic. It also means that women as a whole will end up having sex less. That’s the inevitable outcome of combining sexual libertinism with the ‘men = rapists’ equation. They want it, but they don’t want it. It’s more of what we’re accustomed to seeing: wanting to ‘have it all’, when ‘all’ consists of two propositions which are in contradiction. And when they can’t ‘have it all’, they blame men.
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That is feminism in a nutshell – that women throughout history have been so weak and stupid that the social structures they supported because they believed they were to their benefit were in fact “oppressive” to them.
Sadly, her position is not without some supporting evidence because so many women have allowed a few very aggressive and mentally ill women to redefine their reality for them and tell them that the things they enjoy and appreciate are not actually what they do or “should” enjoy or appreciate.
Sooner or later I expect women to wake up to the fact that life is a whole lot more unpleasant under feminist domination that it ever could be under male domination, but if they don’t I have pretty much run out of compassion for anything which affects women negatively. The reason being stupid generally hurts so much is to convince people not to do it.
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I wonder how much this kind of stuff relates to women’s low self-regard for themselves.
Game, after all, is merely female dating tactics adapted for men. The entire “dating strategy” for women is to coerce men into wanting to have sex with them enough to chase after them. They, like an accomplished PUA, always have a back-up plan. They use feigned disinterest towards a man they are interested in to increase their sexual value over him… I mean, it goes on and on, but, in the end, “game” is merely female sexual behaviour used back on them.
Since I have started studying these issues, the amount of projection from women that I see is simply astounding.
Psychological abuse is actually stereotypical female aggression – attacking self esteem and mosty operating through third parties… and yet, they scream and wail that men are doing this to women and it is condemned most viciously. Physical violence is stereotypically male, but psychological abuse is stereotypically female.
“The Patriarchy” as a grand conspiracy against women, simply does not exist – but, “The Matriarchy” certainly does exist. For example – in all of the places I have ever worked, I have never been involved with, nor seen or even heard of men conspiring together to keep women down… however, I have worked on a salesteam made of a dozen people – 11 males and one female. There were four other females working in support (3 receptionists) & one in management, and these four females did conspire together to ensure that the lone female got more “turn over traffic” and more incoming phonecalls etc. from new customers. When we guys figured it out, all five of these women denied it, and bitched and cried… until us guys (I was the only one who didn’t have a family – and the woman was doing the job as a hobby, and was not the sole income) got so angry with our boss, that several of us threatened to quit. He threatened to fire the women, and then they fessed up – it was one for, and then one for the men (divided by 11). They said they wanted to make sure that the woman was always the number one salesperson. (She never made it to that spot once).
Look at all of the calls of “misogynist” and so on… yet, Dr. Richard Driscoll cites a study that illustrates that only 14% of men are always, or nearly always bitter towards women – while the same study shows that 34% of women are always, or nearly always bitter towards males.
Women are just projecting their own behaviours onto men… thinking that if they were us, that is how they would behave. As in, if they had power over males, this is how they would screw men over… and yet, when men have this same power, they are obviously using it for ill will far less than women.
And that women quite instantly find this behaviour in men, which is really female behaviour, they instantly start to screech eeeeeevil!!!!
It might say quite a bit about how much they might loathe themselves, and what is in their own hearts when they deal with men.
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There is a reason why men AND women prefer male bosses, according to surveys.
Give a woman significant power and she will often screw up. There are exceptions, like Margaret Thatcher, but they are exceptions.
Why do you think the Catholic Church has lasted for two thousand years? Males in authority …
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Truer words my friend, truer words.
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Men value goals and accomplishments the most, women value relationships and social standing the most. Conversely, dark masculinity seeks to win the competition and kill the “other.” Dark femininity seeks to poison the relationships and shatter the social standing of the “other.”
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And when she does, she will just run to the bathroom and cry.
The whole point of being a leader is that you are burdened with responsibility. You have to keep your shit together when everything gets fucked up; even when you are the cause of everything becoming fucked up, because everyone below you is looking to you for guidance and instruction.
Anyone who can’t handle that pressure is not a leader. A lot of women seem to think that being a leader is benefits and power. What’s that truism about great power? Right … great responsibility. That’s not some optional extra. It’s a huge burden.
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Fedrz:
Truly, I got it right:
http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/10/06/eternal-solipsism-of-the-female-mind/
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Actually, if I had to identify one characteristic that is essential in a boss at work AND a head of house, it is that one, Snark. The ability not to panic. God, how women panic; and the nonsense they spout as they do!
90% of what wives say is static. Talk about low signal to noise ratio! If I took everything my wife said seriously, I’d be in the funny farm.
Women talk a great deal of nonsense. And they panic. Nearly every woman I have worked with has cried in my presence at least once. I have had female bosses cry on me.
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Oh, please. If a woman wants to avoid being taken for a ride–excuse me, “raped”–in this manner, all she has to do is read up on the subject matter. It’s not like Game is some deep, dark, secret. There are books that spell it all out. There are websites that explain it for free. A solid weekend’s worth of cramming will teach her all she needs to know to start making informed decisions.
Wait, did I just suggest that college students do their homework? Silly me.
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“One of those essays was so good that I am going to steal it for the Spearhead. Unless, of course, you as the author say no.”
I will most definitely say yes if you think it can help in any way.
It would also be an honor for me.
Tout le plaisir est pour moi-all my pleasure.
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@Ferdinand Bardamu:
I’ll second that. Excellent. ’nuff said.
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Is it a good idea to dedicate entire posts to this story? Extortion attempts like those mentioned in this article thrive in the sunlight, and they wither in the darkness. We’ve now dedicated at least two posts to this extortion industry’s latest crimes, vis-a-vis game/game practicioners.
These people can’t be reasoned with, and if it was up to me, I’d ban them from here and refuse to post any more topics dealing with the subject. It only enhances the publicity of their insidious cause.
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Snark:
Why don’t you explain that to our elites? Please?
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This is backwards. Whiskey has it right: the point is to take unattractive men out of the dating pool by preventing them from using Game to increase their attractiveness. Ever noticed how whether or not talking up a woman is sexual harassment depends on whether he’s “good enough for her”?
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I call these anti-male woman: ‘THE RAPE BRIGADE’S’ !!!
I call all woman groups in general: The anti-male leagues.
A load of pampered self-serving arseholes playing victim, so they can justify huge handicapp’s, and entitlements, power, protection and compensation’s by lieing about men and boys.
Most of the time the real bad guys aren’t even guys.
Rod!
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When you have no need for women, it all becomes irrelevant anyway.
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Au contraire, shining the harsh light of common sense on this kind of insanity is the fastest way to kill it. It’s kind of like a vampire.
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Who’s going to kill it, again? The MRA/FRA-sympathetic courts? The legions of non-feminist female lawyers? Obama-Biden? Just because your normal, not-insane individual sees it for the farce it is doesn’t mean it’s going back in the closet. The system thrives on expanding misandrist injustice; it expands its power and sucks up even more resources.
No, what happens instead is that, upon hearing about it, a million lightbulbs light up over the heads of the vultures. They smell blood and money (and the ability to get their names in the paper). Imagine how many hateful women would have loved to destroy Roissy, especially in the viper’s pit of DC. Being able to get paid and applauded for it just adds to the appeal.
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Bob Smith – “Ever noticed how whether or not talking up a woman is sexual harassment depends on whether he’s “good enough for herâ€?”
Here’s a public service clip to help emphasize this point “Sexual Harassment and You”
Yes, I realize it’s an SNL skit. Yet, the fact the that it would be taken as being so obvious as to be humorous seems quite telling.
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Thank’s for the link. It is indeed sad that it’s funny only because it’s true.
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You guys are all just a bunch of misogynists!
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I don’t know the answer to that, but the answer of last resort is tens of millions of men going ghost because anything else is too dangerous.
I don’t care about Denise Romano. I’m not involved in whatever is going on with her. She just provided an example of what I saw happening. What I am trying to do is warn men about a very possible long term trend. This is something that needs to be talked about.
Snark!
“But Game is just the codification of methods of attraction which have always existed; it hasn’t created anything new, only presented it in a system.
So essentially, any man who is attractive enough for women to want to have sex with him is a rapist.”
WIN WIN WIN.
Holy shit, you nailed it right there! No further explanation necessary.
By implication alone this means that men are basically persecuted for a woman’s intentional hypergamous ambitions.
Basically, if a man is good looking, and a woman is of the especially hypergamous sort (aren’t they all), that by their definition CREATES A POWER DIFFERENTIAL.
They INTENTIONALLY set themselves up to prosecute men for being out of their league.
Un FUCKING believable.
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@fedrz
Does this at least partly explain women’s hatred for so-called patriarchy? They’re hard-wired for narcissism and so assume under patriarchy men must exploit and oppress them because that’s what they would do (are doing) when handed the reins of power.
I’m researching an essay on altruism, which I believe to be primarily a male trait. I’ve not been able to find any studies that consider altruism by gender – yet another example of political correctness in the social sciences.
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Add Remasculation and Game for Omegas to the list of blogs Denise Romano has spammed.
@ Charles Martel
I think your ponderings are correct.
I wrote an article about this subject some time back, although, it is not one of my best pieces:
http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2007/06/when-shit-gets-sold-as-soap.html
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@fedrz
I just read it. Great article!
It’s cold comfort, but I get a lot of satisfaction from putting all the pieces together and understanding how it all works – the dynamics of relationships between men and women, that is. Now if I could just get all those years back when I thought there must be something seriously wrong with me.
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@ Snark
Absolutely. I am reminded each time I read some of the articles here of what old fart that I am. But I have to tell you I am laughing my ass off here.
The phenomena of each new generation thinking they invented things like sex, music, rebellion, is a constant, but I am floored at the extreme this is taken to by Gamers. Game is about as new and original as prostitution and igneous rock. And the idea that feminism is even noticing it, much less reacting to it and employing counter strategies, is absurd.
I understand why Gamers are Gamers. If I were a younger man with awareness of the current dangers inherent in long term relationships, I would employ game as well. But please gentlemen, let’s not dramatize that which doesn’t need drama, or attribute meaning to things where there is none.
If your goal is pussy with no risk, and only pussy with no risk, fine by me. Like I said I don’t blame anyone for that. But if you want to portray yourself as a political target, maybe you should be doing something more than scoring and actually take your activity into something that serves your fellow man as well.
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@Paul Elam
But the big difference, Paul, is that up until Game came onto the scene, everyone thought that feminism had conquered patriarchy and was here to stay. That’s why the revival of Game is so sweet… it nullifies all that feminism represents. Game, within the context of a receding feminism, sets the stage for a revision of theories of psychology/sociology/mind. In this sense, it is legitimate to regard Game as an original invention overturning a unique historical context.
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@ Codebuster
OK, help me out here then. How is Game really having an impact on all this. I am not screwing with you. I have an open mind here. If game is able to nullify feminism in any way, I want to help promote it.
As of now, it looks like the devolution of men into the shallowness of third wave feminism. But like I said, I have no pride at all invested in being right about this. And it wouldn’t be near the first time I was wrong.
I just need some detailed rationale as to why I should believe it.
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Speaking of risk-free pussy, the first sex robot has finally been unveiled.
Love the way the guy is promoting it. He’s saying he developed the robot first as a likeness of a man that died young, so that their children could have an ‘in-the-flesh’ visualization of their father when they were older. Then we goes on to say that the robots are chiefly intended as companions for people, supplying a need to those people unable to have that need met by other people (read ‘socially disabled’ here?), and that the sex angle was only a ruse to make it marketable.
He’s got references to 9/11, home aids for the elderly and all sorts of good-feelings going on. Now with such generous motives, how could anyone stand in his way? Nobel prize candidate?
With so much human ingenuity coming out of just one man, wait until a whole team o corporate dudes start running the numbers over the potential market, the massive room for product enhancement with little investment, and the fact this guy is likely to get $9,000 a pop for an over-sized talking doll with crotch hair. The fems stand about as much a chance of stopping this as Dworkin had trying to stop porn, or everybody’s mother had trying to ban video gaming. Government tax revenue Rook takes Feminist pawn checkmate.
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@Paul Elam
I wouldn’t say that I agree with Game, but surely Game draws attention to the fact that men and women are different in very real ways, thus undermining the feminist myth that women can do anything that men can do (only better). It’s showing up women’s complicity in their own “oppression”. Indeed, Game and all that it implies serves not only to prove feminists wrong, but also to provide a basis for revising the epistemological foundations of the Anglosphere.
I wouldn’t encourage you to support or “believe†Game so much as to regard it, as a scientist working in a laboratory would, as a vital piece of important evidence establishing that feminism has nothing going for it whatsoever, because feminists don’t even understand women, let alone men. Feminism is a lunatic phenomenon that has somehow pushed past the fringe status to which it belonged, to shape whole countries. Game is showing feminism up for the rationally bankrupt phenomenon that it is.
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Behind… every strong man , is his behind…a woman…
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I have been meaning to post the words of this old Irish song. It is a perfect early example of “Game”.
I am not joking. Read the words carefully. The song was written by Irishman Percy French about 100 years ago. It is the story of a man named McGrath using “game” to get the prettiest girl in the village, Eileen. He initially ignores her; implies he knows a prettier girl; acts alpha; and so on. In the end, he gets the girl.
Eileen Og an’ that the darlin’s name is
Through the Barony her features they were famous
If we loved her then who was there to blame us
For wasn’t she the Pride of Petravore?
But her beauty made us all so shy
Not a man could look her in the eye
Boys, Oh boys, sure that’s the reason why
We’re in mournin’ for the Pride of Petravore
Eileen Og me heart is growin’ grey
Ever since the day you wandered far away
Eileen Og there’s good fish in the say
But there’s none of them like the Pride of Petravore
Friday at the fair of Ballintubber
Eileen met McGrath the cattle jobber
I’d like to set me mark upon the robber
For he stole away the Pride of Petravore
He never seemed to see the girl at all
Even when she ogled him from underneath her shawl
Lookin’ big and masterful when she was lookin’ small
Most provokin’ for the Pride of Petravore
Eileen Og me heart is growin’ grey
Ever since the day you wandered far away
Eileen Og there’s good fish in the say
But there’s none of them like the Pride of Petravore
So it went as ’twas in the beginning
Eileen Og was bent upon the winning
Big McGrath contentedly was grinning
Being courted by the Pride of Petravore
Sez he: “I know a girl that could knock you into fits”
At that Eileen nearly lost her wits
The upshot of the ruction was that now the robber sits
With his arm around the Pride of Petravore
Eileen Og me heart is growin’ grey
Ever since the day you wandered far away
Eileen Og there’s good fish in the say
But there’s none of them like the Pride of Petravore
Boys, Oh boys, with fate ’tis hard to grapple
Of my eyes ’tis Eileen was the apple
Now to see her walkin’ to the chapel
With the hardest featured man in Petravore
Now, boys, this is all I have to say:
When you do your courtin’ make no display
If you want them to run after you, just walk the other way
For they’re mostly like the Pride of Petravore
Eileen Og me heart is growin’ grey
Ever since the day you wandered far away
Eileen Og there’s good fish in the say
But there’s none of them like the Pride of Petravore
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David
Proof that this was not only well-known by earlier generations, but that when the men were virtually eliminated as fathers by misandric ‘family’ courts much of this knowledge did not pass from generations. I will also add that anyone who does not believe that this is effective should learn it and apply it. Then apply the opposite of any part of game you wish and watch the exact opposite reaction (if you can stomach doing so, since it means a supplicating approach. The opposite applied is actually useful for driving away someone you don’t want simply because she will lose interest very quickly. I have observed some very extreme reactions from women simply by dumping them, i.e. burning up my phone to knocking on my doors and windows late at night (I didn’t dump them using game, but for other reasons). The whole notion that this is somehow connected with ‘rape’ is not only insane, but as others have mentioned is damaging to the true victims of an actual crime. I have read some extremely weird statements from not only Dworkin, but Jessica Valenti which defy all logic. There is that old saying about all being fair in love and war. It seems to me quite often morally speaking there is not much difference between the two when defining Eros ‘love’. I had examples of both types of men in my life when I was young. My biological father was overly supplicating, feeling sorry for himself, etc. My stepdad was exactly the opposite. Although I cared about both of them, watching my biological father’s actions literally turned my stomach (and still does whenever I observe mangina/white knighting behavior). What I learned from my stepfather by simple observation along with my own personal experiences as a teenager was invaluable to me. They were the last generation to even carry the old knowledge which is now new knowledge. Personally, I consider the use of game to be invaluable in exposing how stupidly illogical the feminist agenda and feminists in particular are. If they are so concerned about their own ability to control themselves, what does that literally and glaringly state? Interestingly enough, my own son who is autistic and literally has no interest in women attracts even more attention because he does not respond (i.e. is unaffected) by all attempts to get him interested–and he is not even using game.
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I used to believe the practice of chaperonage was instituted to protect women, i’ve come to realize it existed to protect men from false accusation from women and from false assumptions by ‘society’
in gone with the wind, one of rhett butler’s “crimes against quality folk” was to take a girl out buggy riding in the late afternoon without a chaperone and then refusing to marry her. think about that, being forced to marry someone after being alone with them on the assumption you had seduced her! scarlett asks if a baby ensued and is informed in hushed tones “no, but she was RUINED JUST THE SAME”. CONSEQUNCES, not WORDS, REALITY, not IDEAS
you don’t bring about desireable social change by jaw,jaw,jaw–let the false accusations fly, let women be shamed for them, let men refuse to be alone with them–let fear of false accusation and shame once again be the consequences the old rules arose to shield us from ORGANICALLY, not by dint of some cabal or conspiracy, but by tried and true human trial and error.
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I must add, I have a grandson who is a natural by every definition. He is quick-witted, brilliant and charms every female in his proximity. This is actually a concern of mine simply because I know this can be both a blessing and a curse in our public school systems and the (ahem) morality of a seemingly expanding number of female teachers. He is already extremely masculine and there is literally no way to get anything by him. While his ability to do this will no doubt take away any interest in medicating him, there are most certainly other consequences. The public school system is not a good place for him, and I am pressing for alternatives which I am willing to contribute financially to–I would hate for that spirit and brilliance to be destroyed.
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Dana
“you don’t bring about desireable social change by jaw,jaw,jaw–let the false accusations fly, let women be shamed for them, let men refuse to be alone with them–let fear of false accusation and shame once again be the consequences the old rules arose to shield us from ORGANICALLY, not by dint of some cabal or conspiracy, but by tried and true human trial and error.”
Letting the false accusations fly under such a misandric system place men at great peril (and financial burden) defending themselves. IMO ANY woman who does this should receive exactly the same penalty as what her target would have received. Additionally there is the matter of evidence. Waay to many men have had enormous legal problems from just an accusation (no evidence asked for or seemingly desired). If you are female and I stated that you raped me and on my word alone you went to prison, how would you feel? That is an enormous issue now, isn’t it?
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i hate the misandrist system, i am wholly opposed to it in every possible form. my husband has suffered its abuse for a third of his short lifetime.
none of that changes the fact that ACTUAL change is ONLY brought about by massive consequences–it is ONLY by men suffering false rape charges that MEN will learn to STOP GOING ALONE WITH WOMEN. when men stop going alone with women, women will lose a weapon in their arsenal. a discovery of false accusations should not only subject a woman to criminal sanction, imho, but it should utterly destroy her PROSPECTS. it should be publicized and all males of quality should shun her. i am in NO WAY promoting consequences for men alone–it has to work in tandem for the desired social rules to reemerge. words will not do anything, only action.
if you thought i was promoting harm to men and not to women i was not clear. i am trying to bring about a return to the power of “reputation”. it will take men AND women.
thats why it will never happen–feminism depended on the promise of strings-free pussy to get itself over on the bulk of men and as long as that prospect exists out there most men will fight doing what it takes to rid themselves of the scourge of feminism
you all talk about a “marriage strike”, i am talking about a complete MALE strike, deprive them of your company, your cocks, your money, your work–let an entire generation of women die alone with cats as a lesson to their meager few replacements.
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Uh, what?
Why don’t we just roll over and die, hmm?
I guess it’s easy for YOU to say that men should just throw themselves under the bus and get it over with. YOU get to stand at the side of the road cheering us on.
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However, I do agree with the rest of what you said. I just think that change can be brought about in a more positive way.
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snark–please understand me–EVERYONE has to throw themselves under the bus of the mess we have wrought with bad ideas–EVERYONE, men women children, dogs. if men go on a real “male strike” like i envision I WILL DIE ALONE WITH CATS TOO.
its creative destruction, attempting to save already living people from the consequences of all the bad ideas that have been enacted since the progressive era while simultaneously trying to change things for future generations cannot work. it is PRECISELY this impulse that had caused our failing bureaucracy to layer bandaid on top of bandaid in an attempt to stem the blood from the wounds in our economy created by short sighted policies. an inverted pyramid of policies thats about to topple over on EVERYONE
there is ALWAYS a throwaway generation–did anyone EVER stop to think of the consequences to MY generation when they promulgated drugs, no fault divorce, the sexual revolution, black liberation, desegregation, diversity, affirmative action, abortion, birth control, dysgenic welfare state policies, hopeless nihilistic music and philosophy, atheism?
nope! only progressive policies get to be enacted with no thought to the throwaway generation that arises in its wake.
i am saying that anyone who wants to actually effect change has to recognize THEY will be part of and party to the creation of the throwaway generation–just like the bitter wife of the general in the handmaids tale who worked so hard to bring about new gilead and then had to suffer the presence of a series of handmaidens in her marriage.
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@ Dana
none of that changes the fact that ACTUAL change is ONLY brought about by massive consequences–it is ONLY by men suffering false rape charges that MEN will learn to STOP GOING ALONE WITH WOMEN.
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I ***am*** a victim of a false rape accusation.
There is NO POSSIBLE DEFENCE against being a victim of an FRA, an FRA is a lie, not being anywhere near a woman is not a defence against a lie.
Nothing can defend you from lies to the extent that others cannot tell lies about you.
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afor,
i mean no disrespect to what happened to you, my husband is a massive victim of the feminism establishment and vawa etc i GENUINELY sympathize with your plight, i want men freed of the burden of the feminist police state no matter what it means happens to ME as a consequence
i am making a meta point about bringing about a return to rules that kept men on top and kept women from being able to harm them–thats whatyou all want, right? maybe im wrong–maybe you want total sexual license and liberty without consequences for men and women AND male dominance AND safety from the threat of feminism–good luck with that
when there was chaperonage both WOMEN and MEN suffered the consequences of being around each other alone– a woman was UNABLE to rehabilitate herself from the stain of having gone alone with a man–game over–MAYBE if she was lucky she could catch a widower later in life who needed a helpmeet to take care of his kids MAYBE
false rape accusations didnt SPARE the women like they do today, she was rightly condemned as a worthless slut for having gotten herself into a “compromising position” and it ruined the rest of her life. women lived in abject terror of being compromised and did what they could to guard against it–THAT defends men from false accusations
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There’s no question rape has been de-valued as a crime. It traditionally depended on the idea of protecting female honor and virtue, i.e., chastity. Thanks to the women’s movement, this idea has been effectively destroyed.
There’s nothing much we as men can do to remedy this situation. Rape will become a severe crime in America only when female honor and virtue mean something again — and that won’t happen until after the end of western civilization.
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“There’s nothing much we as men can do to remedy this situation. Rape will become a severe crime in America only when female honor and virtue mean something again — and that won’t happen until after the end of western civilization.”
You can improve your self-protection by wearing a miniature camera. Some sell for as cheap as $100.
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@David Brandt
Proof that this was not only well-known by earlier generations, but that when the men were virtually eliminated as fathers by misandric ‘family’ courts much of this knowledge did not pass from generations.
Reading the poem I see that it is not so much the fathers of “good men” of Petravore [stone eaters?] taught their sons game; but that the fathers of hard men taught theirs: is not this usually the case?
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Don’t be WEIRD. Okay, a woman finds a miniature camera WITH PICTURES, and you haven’t told her about it?
She is justified in going for the face with her claws.
Get a digital voice recorder! Now, it’s true that she can technically be identified by her voice, it is also true that she can, like, lie about it. Also it’s much less reputation destroying.
Voice Recording is also easier, and provides a continuous ‘story’, that will probably cause said false accuser slut to run away in shame.
I’m going to look for an internet post about proper voice recording ‘spy’ equipment.
I’d appreciate help on this, as it is an actual safety measure that can protect, and keep out of jail, actual men.
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””””””’Snark January 11, 2010 at 06:22
it is ONLY by men suffering false rape charges that MEN will learn to STOP GOING ALONE WITH WOMEN.
Uh, what?
Why don’t we just roll over and die, hmm?
I guess it’s easy for YOU to say that men should just throw themselves under the bus and get it over with. YOU get to stand at the side of the road cheering us on.
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Naa whats happening is men are being turned into woman. So what will happen is when a guy wakes up and a woman is sucking his dick. He will make sure to call the local authorities and cry rape. When his woman goes down on him while hes driving and he didn’t ask her too another rape. Makes the teamwork between men and woman almost impossible and the west goes way of dodo. Couple laws get enforced on books. A nice add campaign and all the sudden you have females going to prison in record numbers. The french thing with the psychological thing and losing a percentage of support is a start.. That is gonna be woman who are doing the dirt on that. Also hell it is woman starting the pysical confrontations in my view just that guys are the ones who put a stop to it. When guys start carrying around cameras and use them gonna put a lot of shit out of business and woman will have to start going to jail too once they get looked at as really equal. Then they are gonna be fucked.
Probably make a killing selling the personal protector 2010 for only 3 payments of 19.95. This will keep a record of your entire life. If in no compromising situations just go ahead and delete the harddrive. It is that simple. Constant protection 24 hours a day. A contant record of who really said what.
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“What Denise Romano is most likely trying to do is imply that men with game are effectively rapists.”
Not that far from the truth, since rape is routinely downplayed and excused in PUA and MRA circles.
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dull – “Not that far from the truth, since rape is routinely downplayed and excused in PUA and MRA circles.”
BS!
I challenge to link some examples of any (real) rape being downplayed and excused.
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””””Not that far from the truth, since rape is routinely downplayed and excused in PUA and MRA circles.””””””””
False rape allegations. Like duke lacross thist happens too much.
Go watch a maury show where the chick tries to find the father and can’t. That is real life. Some woman really have sex with that many guys. Feminists downplay rape routinely trying to act like because a chick was drinking it was rape. Well so was the guy so they raped each other then. The crazy woman who call every secual act rape are the ones who routinely put down the suferring of real victims.
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Internetwood,
http://www.spygadgets.com/
Null,
What a crock of BS. I second Snark’s challenge. Bring on the proof, or stick that crap where it belongs.
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“What Denise Romano is most likely trying to do is imply that men with game are effectively rapists.â€
Not that far from the truth, since rape is routinely downplayed and excused in PUA and MRA circles.
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Lying whores.
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That was slwerner, not me. I don’t associate with null.
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Feminists and women in general have done more to downplay traditional rape than any man, PUA or MRA ever could.
Otherwise, they would not have convoluted the meaning of traditional rape with watered down versions, including spousal rape and date rape, and they have even gone further by decrying such lunacy as cyber rape and visual rape.
Except for traditional rape, all of these other false forms of “rape” ought to be mocked and ridiculed just as much as the idiots who spout them from their lips.
Don’t blame PUA’s and MRA’s when yours are the hands with the bullshit stuck beneath your fingernails. We weren’t the ones who raped the word rape.
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This is why I think you are lying whores who care nothing about ruining the lives of normal, average men -
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/c2f3bcee0a17af7f
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Btw, a lot of men here have been financially raped by their ex-wives in court, and emotionally raped by being separated from their children. Also, men falsely accused of various nonsensical “gender crimes” have been socially raped by vindictive politically corupted language rapists.
What the hell does the word “rape” mean anymore?
It must be identified which kind of rape we are discussing, in order for anything fruitfull to come from a debate.
1 – Traditional Rape
2 – Spousal Rape
3 – Date Rape
4 – Statuatory Rape
5 – Cyber Rape
6 – Visual Rape
7 – Prison Rape
8 – Financial Rape
9 – Social Rape
10 – Emotional Rape
11 – Language Rape
Exactly which type of “rape” have PUA’s and MRA’s downplayed, of the above list?
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If I had to guess, it would be
12 – ‘Having a Penis’ Rape
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I can see the day very soon where men will insist on a common law contract being signed for sex before even talking to a woman. We are already seeing men recommend videotaping all sex with any woman to avoid the false rape allegation.
My mechanism for avoiding false ANYTHING allegations is that I refuse to be alone with a western woman. As far as I am concerned they are all liars and dangerous people and I want nothing to do with them. They are ALL crap. By taking that position I am correct many more times than I am incorrect so I don’t need to try and sort through them to get the ‘good one’ who is really just a whore acting good. Yes. This does mean the so called ‘good women’ are tarred with the same brush. Bad luck. They should have done something about their ‘sistas’.
Western women simply do not comprehend that they are a small minority and are easily replaced by eastern women.
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codebuster January 10, 2010 at 23:42
Game has always been around. The alphas used it all the time. The betas not so much so because it was not necessary. A good beta, in my day just 25 years ago in Australia, could expect to find a very decent wife (at that time) without Game.
And betas like me did NOT want to be screwing every chick we saw. I had plenty of women hit on me for sex. I even did have sex with one of them because I knew here pretty well. But she turned into ‘crazy bitch from hell’ who attacked me with a carving knife in the end for calling her a slut. LOL!
Not 25 years ago in Australia you didn’t need ‘game’ to find a wife. Game got you a slut which was not a desireable wife. Now? Game still gets you a slut. But that is perfectly ok if you don’t want to get married and be with one woman all your life. I barely need to lift by ‘Game’ above ‘terrible’ to get laid now. The women really are that desperate.
I am very familiar with Game because my brother, cousin and another guy in our town all made the national football team and the sluts used to want to get fucked by all three of them. So they would run their ‘game’ which was well matched by the ‘celebrity’ status of ‘national football players’ and get all the girls to fuck them. I was pretty disgusted at the whole thing as a 15 year old so I rejected ‘game’ because I was looking for a wife.
Internetwood January 11, 2010 at 10:27
“I’d appreciate help on this, as it is an actual safety measure that can protect, and keep out of jail, actual men.”
I would suggest a flip mino as an excellent video recorder. It is so small and unobtrusive that most women would not even recognise it as a video recorder. It can video up to 1 hour which is enough for most guys…LOL! I bought one for my run ins with police.
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”””””””’Internetwood January 11, 2010 at 10:27
“I’d appreciate help on this, as it is an actual safety measure that can protect, and keep out of jail, actual men.â€
I would suggest a flip mino as an excellent video recorder. It is so small and unobtrusive that most women would not even recognise it as a video recorder. It can video up to 1 hour which is enough for most guys…LOL! I bought one for my run ins with police.
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Well obviously there is room to make some moeny. If you can have a thousand songs on a ipod then you should have the capability to record for days.
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Oops. Sorry Snark. My bad.
Globalman/gunslingergregi,
at that link I posted, there is an usb voice recorder that is good for up to 5 hours. That should be MORE than enough to cya.
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You know, you just gave me an idea. Could you or anyone you know write an article about how to prevent and fight false rape accusations? I think this is important info that I’d really like to see published here.
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Welmer – “Could you or anyone you know write an article about how to prevent and fight false rape accusations? I think this is important info that I’d really like to see published here.”
Just for clarification, did you mean how to avoid them in the first place, how to deflect them if they are made, how to prevent women from making them, or both?
The key to just preventing women from making them is to have a greater range of penalties (based on the level of damage they’ve caused) and the where-with-all to actually apply such penalties to women who make False Rape Accusations (FRA).
As for avoiding them, that’s the real conundrum. Often, one cannot even see them coming, because they had no sexual involvement with the accuser – they may have simply been involved in a traffic accident with them months earlier, or a cabbie who wouldn’t let a woman smoke in the cab.
At the False Rape Society site, they’ve got a section on What to do if you’ve been wrongly accused in the right-hand side-bar.
But, how one can reasonably avoid them turns out to be the really tough one.
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All of the above. I know it’s difficult, but it isn’t my area of expertise, and I’d like to post a piece here on that.
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I am glad the words of the song were of interest. I listen to a bit of Irish music, and the words of that song just leaped out at me recently, as I thought, “He was using ‘game’!” The song actually advises young men how to use game, the basic message being – don’t supplicate.
I have had some very extreme reactions when I dumped a girl, a fiancee actually. She had been driving me crazy for months, and I finally pulled the plug. My God did she supplicate! Too late. Sometimes women only start acting like real women when it is too late.
Not long after that, I dropped another girl at once, because she started to show the same “queenly” and imperious tendencies. I saved a lot of time and effort.
I would actually advise a young man that if your girlfriend doesn’t occasionally treat you with real deference, when all her feminine juices should be flowing, she will not make a good wife. She certainly won’t get better after the wedding.
I think the best model for a marriage, after 24 years of experience of a fairly successful marriage, is a mixture of egalitarian and male authoritarian. When things are going well, the egalitarian model works fine, but when times are tough, bring out the more authoritarian model. Don’t rant and rave. That looks weak. Just go cool and directive, and give her time to get back in line.
I would like to see some speculation about why game works. I have been thinking about this. I notice that women want what they can’t have, or whatever is difficult to obtain. Women like complications and I think rather enjoy tough situations. My wife reads a lot of lowbrow women’s magazines, which are mostly full of sad stories about women having a shit time. Also, women like drama. A man who is too easy to please offers no excitement and conveys an impression of weakness.
I think I have natural game because I am quite big and masculine looking (although I am actually a bit of a softie), I am not very emotionally demonstrative, I have a cold and unfriendly streak, and I am not at all “romantic”. (I have always despised men who suck up to women. If she doesn’t like me, I am not interested.) I have added to this recently by being more taciturn and less emotionally responsive (I don’t mirror my wife’s emotions). Also, I don’t listen to my wife’s initial response, but watch her later actions and reactions.
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Make sure you research your local laws.
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Welmer,
I’ll put something together and shoot it over to you. Hopefully before the end of the week.
WordsTwice,
One clear cut way around all of that. State that you are recording, when you first start the recording process. As long as notice is given, and if you record you giving notice, then you should be in the clear.
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False Allegations of Sexual Abuse, Sexual Assault, or Rape of Child: How to Defend Against Them << FalseAllegations.com
“Child Support by Nonbiological Fathers”
http://www.falseallegations.com/child-support-by-nonbiological-fathers.htm
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@Globalman
Interesting point. I’ve spent a good number of years in Australia, and it has been my observation that Australian women don’t expect much of men. The number of women you’d think can do better, choosing knuckledraggers and troglodytes, always blew me away. It seemed that to get a gal in Australia, men had but one requirement to meet… they had to be ‘normal’. By this definition, the staples of income and house-ownership were sufficient. I found them insufferably average, and the laws of luck of a gaming house seemed to dominate over standards and self-determination. The same thing with men, too, btw. A friend of mine and I have a standing joke where we look at a middle-aged couple and try to guess whether the woman he is with is his wife or his mum (as per previous discussion thread on obesity, young nubile women don’t keep their form very well once they’ve snared a partner).
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codebuster,
Australia is a less competitive country. The amount of money a man makes is less important. Manhood has a broad definition in Australia. Being a “good bloke”, having a sense of fun, being good at or just interested in sport, being relaxed and confident, all that can stand you in good stead.
Australia has been good to this Australian man. I have had my meals cooked and my shirts ironed for 25 years (she started doing my laundry before we were married). And my wife’s long legs spread around my back with pleasing regularity. Many Australian women still know their place. It’s nice.
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Lately I’ve been laughing my ass off at these articles. Not at how the articles are written, but how women try to stick it to men. What’s next they are going to complain that we breath?
You can discuss this intellectually all you want, but nothing is done about this( I repeat, nothing is done about this. You guys are a small community, that you don’t even make a sound even if you screamed). Feminists and beta losers that feminists have by the balls are making our life worse every day with some stupid law or some stupid rule of conduct at some stupid school.
Give it 20-30 years when men finally get fed up, then something is going to happen or men will wear the skirts in the family.
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@ Paul Elam
“As of now, it looks like the devolution of men into the shallowness of third wave feminism. But like I said, I have no pride at all invested in being right about this. And it wouldn’t be near the first time I was wrong.”
Might I say that I’m a fan of your blog and your youtube videos, first off.
And I would concur with you that a “head first” application of game in all of it’s facets is exactly as you depicted.
In my opinion it’s a barometer that indicates the dire nature of this gender conlfict. Employing game, as I see it, is basically the “nuclear option”, suicide bombers, etc.
Game represents the “play to win” mentality that men have basically been forced to adopt to turn back the tide.
The whole idea of gaming one’s spouse and the relationship somehow not being a coercive, manipulative sham is laughable to me. The massive adoption of game theory is the final consensus amongst men that the traditional concept of a healthy relationship is no longer attainable, and that now we simply need to beat back the hordes by any means necessary.
… but that’s just me.
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snap:
The whole idea of gaming one’s spouse and the relationship somehow not being a coercive, manipulative sham is laughable to me.
David: If it keeps your wife and you both happy, where is the harm? Do you think it is possible to have any human relationship without some manipulation?
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David
As a matter of fact I do, it’s called cutting the pretentious egotistical B.S and being honest at the expense of making yourself vulnerable.
Trust is the common factor.
The problem is, our society is so utterly debauched that everyone seems to be extremely reticent when it comes to anyone having the potential to exploit a given situation and take the “upper hand”.
I would also contend that individuals who are content gaming one another suffer from the same level of capriciousness across the board, and that such relationships are confined to a definite shelf-life.
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Vulnerability entails much more risk in 201o than it ever did in history, given the state of family/relationship law. Game (including LTR Game) is a more adaptive approach to the current risk matrix for men.
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snap
I am really interested in your views on this because I like being honest and candid with people too. But I have just found that it doesn’t work on a wife. I have been married for two decades now, and I can honestly say that the times when I have consciously or unconsciously used “game” have been the happiest for us both.
I have come to realise that women really don’t want vulnerability in their husbands. I remember once saying coldly to my wife that something was “her problem”. It was not characteristic of me at all, and I was ashamed with myself for saying it, but it weirdly seemed to turn her on. She kept on referring to it. At the time, I didn’t understand, but now I see that it turned her on, and why.
Women are often turned on by cold, hard behaviour from men. I think I can sort of understand why, by imagining myself as a woman. One can have some insight.
I know it’s not nice, but who said life has to be nice?
That’s just one example.
Women really are paradoxical. They really do say one thing and do another. This is not just outdated bullshit. It is true.
Unless a man realises this, eventually, he is setting himself up for disappointment. It is better for him, and his wife, if he gets this, either from the culture, or his father, or from websites like this.
I am very interested in evolutionary psychology, and a major theme in the field in recent years has been the important role of deception (including self-deception) in animal and human behaviour. We aren’t robots.
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Some other insights from evolutionary psychology could be applied to “game”. I would think that the concept of the “supernormal stimulus” would be relevant, with an arms race between men and women going on. Men are exposed to supernormal stimuli by women in high heels, makeup, with breast implants and so on. Women are exposed to supernormal stimuli by being able to at least see super-alpha males (movie stars and so on) on TV and sometimes in real life. This feeds tremendous romantic dissatisfaction, particularly in big cities.
James Tiptree Jr ( a woman actually) wrote a terrific SF short story called “And I awoke and found me here on the cold hill’s side” which discusses the supernormal stimulus in human mating. Well worth a look.
In terms of another evolutionary psychology concept, self-deception, it might be productive to think about why women tell themselves that they really like “nice guys” when they really don’t deep down in their unconscious.
I think it is fairly clear why a woman would be attracted to an apparently uninterested man. His behaviour appears to signal that he is high value. That logic is not hard to fathom.
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Novaseeker
I’m not disputing that fact, however what I’m plainly stating, is that if society wasn’t so fucked up, we wouldn’t be going to such extremes to socially engineer our relationships.
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True enough. But that can’t be fixed. Bigger forces than you and I, mate. That’s why Game is the most relevant solution for most men under these conditions. The social fabric isn’t changing anytime soon in a male-friendly way. So men need to adapt to the status quo. Game does that very well. It doesn’t serve the interests of women or society, but women gave up decades ago serving the interests of society. Why should we, as men, have any concern about social impacts? Let society burn. It has turned its back on us.
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David
You’re correct, I’m not disputing you in the slightest.
However my response to Novaseeker also applies to your response as well.
Granted, I do accept that possessing an understanding of “game” and evolutionary psychology is an invaluable resource for negotiating your way through life in general and potentially “bad” relationships.
In an MRA blog article I read, sorry for not remembering which. The author basically stated that in a feminized society that civilized behavior, specifically behavior regarding sexuality amongst females is a: “race for the lowest common denominator”.
Part of being a healthy, intelligent, and enlightened human being is knowing that we possess the desire to fulfill sublimate animal instincts, but the wherewithal and presence of mind to realize the virtue in controlling, and restricting such indulgence.
Novaseeker, you’re 100% correct in that game as it is being chiefly espoused today is adaptive to a generally toxic inter-gender atmosphere between men and women as a whole, not just in the field of sexuality and relationships.
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Novaseeker
“True enough. But that can’t be fixed. Bigger forces than you and I, mate. That’s why Game is the most relevant solution for most men under these conditions. The social fabric isn’t changing anytime soon in a male-friendly way. So men need to adapt to the status quo.”
Quite, however, I have an exceptionally cynical attitude towards this approach, and personally, I refuse to “run game” on women, and I could never conscionably run game on a woman whom I deeply cared for. Not that I think I could ever be deluded enough to care for a modern westernized woman. I find it beneath my expectations and dignity to have to employ “carrot and stick” coercion methods with somebody I would supposedly be connected to in a way I was not with anyone else. I realize this is highly unreasonable in our modern society to expect.
This leaves me basically divorcing myself from the arena of sexuality and relationships almost entirely, by choice. For me it’s all about principles and pride. I don’t expect anyone else to make this choice, but I call it as I see it.
Animals do not straight up run my show, whether they have four legs or two and wear too much make up and lipstick. I have no use for an animal that cannot be trained, and no use for a human who insists through aggressive solipsism to behave like an animal.
Having said this, I 100% believe game is a -must- in our modern society.
Feminists have pushed us to the brink, and as mentioned before, this is essentially the “nuclear option” in the ongoing gender war.
The reciprocal of the male “nuclear option” is essentially criminalizing and enslaving men, and this is when society will fall apart and men take the reins once more. Just to reiterate, in no way when I criticize game, am I “player hating”, or chastizing men for employing it. It is 100% a necessary recourse in society today.
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OK snap. But let’s get down to brass tacks. My wife has taken in recent times to threatening to never have sex with me again. This is just a “shit test”. I know that. But it is still kind of upsetting for a man, even a man who is not a young bloke any more and not that “horny”, as Americans say.
Now, I could try to get her to “put out” by doing more housework or buying her flowers. This might work, but it is a lot of effort, and kind of humiliating. Alternatively, I could playfully smack her on the bottom a couple of times. This worked nicely recently. As she admitted later, it turned her on. Simple and inexpensive. She “puts out” and we are both happy.
Now I’m a lazy bloke, like most men. Housework or a smack on her tail? I’ll take the latter any time. But you won’t read that suggestion in a book of marriage advice.
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Personally I do not run Game either. It helps that I am well past prime mating season. But in any case, your course is not a dishonorable one in the least. It is rather the rational, and moral, response by a man faced with the current situation between men and women in our society.
To me, the main silver lining of Game, on the societal level, is its disruptive impact. It is already having that. And it doesn’t even need to be majority-used (and in fact ought best not be) in order to be effective as a massive, grass-roots based, source of social destabilization.
The current status quo sucks, and most men aren’t willing to lift a finger to change things. I accept that as a given, so I support, strongly, the use of Game among the younger set of men, precisely because it will help bring the whole applecart come crashing down sooner rather than later. And allow us to move on to the next thing thereafter.
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I’m pretty much there myself. Women are no longer “fun” anyway. I don’t enjoy their company as much as I used to — they’ve become these aggressive, hostile creatures that offer no comfort at all, only hassle.
Were they always this way? Sometimes I think it’s really sad what’s become of our society.
I have this idea that couples used to enjoy going for walks in the park, having a picnic on a Sunday afternoon, etc., but I never see people doing that these days. I really almost never see couples enjoying themselves together out in public.
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“I am really interested in your views on this because I like being honest and candid with people too. But I have just found that it doesn’t work on a wife. I have been married for two decades now, and I can honestly say that the times when I have consciously or unconsciously used “game†have been the happiest for us both.”
Sadly, I would have to concur with your assessment, as it applies on a broad scale.
“I have come to realise that women really don’t want vulnerability in their husbands. I remember once saying coldly to my wife that something was “her problemâ€. It was not characteristic of me at all, and I was ashamed with myself for saying it, but it weirdly seemed to turn her on. She kept on referring to it. At the time, I didn’t understand, but now I see that it turned her on, and why.”
The thing is, it’s not true vulnerability, only perceived. It’s only vulnerability if the other party is willing to pull the trigger. Women at their most base are incredibly pernicious and self destructive.
Women will quite literally pull the trigger, even if the gun is held to their own head and they don’t even know it just because they can.
This is the very definition of the western woman, and I have positively no use for them whatsoever. I suppose in a sense I’m exceedingly chauvinistic in that I demand a basic standard of decorum and sensibility from a woman that is far more than most could ever hope to achieve, for the sake of my own pride.
“Women are often turned on by cold, hard behaviour from men. I think I can sort of understand why, by imagining myself as a woman. One can have some insight.”
Ah, you see I don’t consider censoring one’s emotion to be a component of game. Perhaps some do, but I believe that’s simply an evolutionary component of the male survival skillset.
I have no problem with that, however I utterly loathe the idea that somehow women are put off by the idea of being blunt and honest, and conversely a man doing the same. I refuse to play stupid little games to validate her feelings, or to compel her to perceive me in a certain way.
“I know it’s not nice, but who said life has to be nice?”
Life is most certainly on average, not nice. However a relationship should ideally be a refuge from the bestial nature of the world. I’ve spent my life overcoming adversaries, unfavorable circumstances, outright physically and psychologically hazardous situations.
I will not welcome such a liability into the inner sanctum that is my my peace of mind with the compromise of receiving companionship or sex. This completely contravenes what I have informally dubbed: “samurai logic”.
“Women really are paradoxical. They really do say one thing and do another. This is not just outdated bullshit. It is true.”
Absolutely agreed.
“Unless a man realises this, eventually, he is setting himself up for disappointment. It is better for him, and his wife, if he gets this, either from the culture, or his father, or from websites like this.”
Absolutely.
“I am very interested in evolutionary psychology, and a major theme in the field in recent years has been the important role of deception (including self-deception) in animal and human behaviour. We aren’t robots.”
No, we’re not robots, and yet we’re capable of being so much more than animals.
Perhaps I’m both an extreme narcissist and chauvinist, I’m not interested in any way shape or form that which conforms to the common denominator in society.
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“My wife has taken in recent times to threatening to never have sex with me again.”
You know David, that is something that I find hard to fathom.
If a woman loves her husband and enjoys making love with him why in hell would she do such a thing? Why cut off her nose to spite her face?
It is not something that I would do, because I love my husband and I enjoy sex too much.
Like I said in another post, if hubby misses out so do I!
And, if a woman refuses to have sex or uses it as a weapon against her husband, then she should be held accountable for it.
She is breaking her wedding vows.
Give her a good clip across the ear… David. Knock some sense into her!
Er.. on second thought, maybe not
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Yes, keeping cool in one’s emotions is very useful for a man. Taciturn is good. On the other hand, I noticed a long time ago that, unless my wife was already really upset, speaking harshly to her and even lecturing her doesn’t bother her at all. She hardly seems to mind. I think she expects it.
My wife is a pretty good girl really. She listens to me. In fact, she often repeats my opinions and phrases back at me. She just needs a bit of guidance.
I don’t think she is terribly sensitive. Most books of marriage advice will advise you to consider your wife’s sensitive, feminine feelings. This does not fit with my experience. Maybe there are women who mind very much what you say, but I can say almost anything to my wife and she hardly bats an eyelid.
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Kathy
Women differ.
She has always been very generous with sex. Just lately she has taken this new tack. I don’t take it too seriously.
I think what it actually is just one in a string of “shit tests”, things she says to get a rise out of me. I have learned to ignore all this stuff. It stops soon enough and she is back to normal.
I hope you won’t think me crude if I say that when she threatens never to have sex with me again, my stock response is “I’ll remind you of that threat next time you have your legs in the air.”
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That’s true, but there is no way of enforcing that. Legally, that won’t get a man a reasonable divorce. On the religion side of things, most priests/ministers/pastors will give a man BS about how his wife doesn’t want to have sex with him because he wasn’t showing enough “male leadership”.
This is another reason to never get married.
I have to amend some of my statements on game concerning marriage.
I consider myself first and foremost sympathetic to men, and given the points David has illustrated I would have to agree that game is an acceptable recourse for men that are already married, especially for a significant length of time, well before marriage became so incredibly hazardous to the wellbeing of men everywhere.
Divorce is a strike against men, and if game makes the difference between financial and psychological hardship, I am all for it.
However, this new breed who are proponents of “LTR game”, in which they now, knowingly pursue marriage or long term relationships with the express purpose of exercising game to redress the glaringly stacked odds placed against men – is basically like shooting yourself in the chest and putting a bandage on it from my perspective.
Nothing good can come of it. My generation needs to completely re-evaluate their expectations and goals when it comes to cross-gender interactions. I don’t have all the answers, but I know a fantastically bad idea when I see it.
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Only other option is avoiding commitment.
Marriage/LTR whatever is a mess now. For men, that is. For women, it’s a total boondoggle now. But not for men. It’s a legal issue. As long as the law is what it is, marriage sucks for men. And as long as men make excuses for each other as for why this or that marriage is a good idea, the current male-enslaving form of marriage is perpetuated. Mostly by men.
The MRA movement is, in many ways, a movement (such as it is … I do not think that is a very appropriate word for it really) that exists to counter the ideas of *other men*. They are the main problem, the main obstacle and so on.
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Well, snap, you have to consider the context. I am in late middle age now, I am an Australian, I am a serious Catholic. My wife is a fairly reasonable woman who is a good wife and mother most of the time. We are both pretty conservative. She was a virgin when I met her. I was only slightly more experienced.
What would I do if none of the above were true, and I was living as a young man in America? Don’t know.
All I do know is that I can feel it now when I am “supplicating”, “walking on eggshells”, all those things. As the feminists found, having a ready vocabulary for what bothers you is enormously powerful.
“Game” seems like the latest gambit in the age-old sex war, a war which women have been winning a lot lately (although arguably making themselves less happy in actuality). I am very proud to be a man. (I always say, it is good to be a woman, but better to be a man.) So, I like to see my sex win a few for once.
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““Game†seems like the latest gambit in the age-old sex war, a war which women have been winning a lot lately (although arguably making themselves less happy in actuality). I am very proud to be a man. (I always say, it is good to be a woman, but better to be a man.) So, I like to see my sex win a few for once.”
I agree, and I find myself sympathetic for your generation, as yours was the one with far more promise, relationship wise than ours.
It is the poison of our generation that is causing the ill effects that most people of your generation experience in marriage today.
In that respect I feel that, yes, exercising game in that context is somewhat necessary and beneficial. However only because you didn’t ASK for the situation you find yourself in now.
I look around and see the options available to me now, and I must say that I have no illusions as to what is really going on before me, and I cannot turn a blind eye.
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snap:
“In that respect I feel that, yes, exercising game in that context is somewhat necessary and beneficial. However only because you didn’t ASK for the situation you find yourself in now.”
David: Exactly. One hundred, or even fifty, years ago my wife would have given me much less trouble. The Church and society would have told her firmly that she should revere and obey me, simply because I am her husband. A lot of that societal support has gone. (The poor fucking Anglicans now have women bishops!) These days, I have to convince her personally to “revere and obey me”. The only legal, practical and moral way to do this is to appeal to her subconscious feminine nature using what could roughly be called “game”.
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“The MRA movement is, in many ways, a movement (such as it is … I do not think that is a very appropriate word for it really) that exists to counter the ideas of *other men*. They are the main problem, the main obstacle and so on.”
I agree with this in that as with all aspects of the male world, it is an ever changing series of conflicts, challenges and discoveries.
As men we measure personal interest against reason and logic and the result is compared and contested against the ideas and concepts put forth by others. This is how we develop a clear and reasonable assessment of what is happening, what works, and ultimately, what doesn’t.
This is analogous to the way men have solved problems and created a something as a whole that is larger than the sum of it’s parts.
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I’ve believed all along that the people who were cackling about women being triumphant in the gender war were premature and counting men out far too soon, and that men would innovate something and come up with a way to adapt to the change in the balance of power. The only real “losers” are the traditional cultural values and the people who hold them. When women use those cultural values as weapons against men, sooner or later men will lose those values in order to disarm women.
The last holdouts of chivalrous values will be mostly dead in another 20 years or so. It’s going to be really interesting to see how women cope when they really are on their own.
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Berkimer “I challenge to link some examples of any (real) rape being downplayed and excused.”
Of course you do. One of the many things feminists and MRAS and PUAs have in common is that they all refuse to stand behind their words.
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Good reply, null.
Make a ridiculous accusation… accuse others of not standing behind their words… when it is actually you that is not standing behind your words.
You made the claim, now back it up.
What kind of circular logic are you using here?
How about I accuse you of being a Martian, and then when you say “prove it,” I move the goalposts and say you refuse to stand behind your words.
If you make the accusation, the onus is on you to prove your accusation holds truth. The people asking for proof are dodging nothing at all. You, on the other hand…
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Yeah, null, that didn’t make any sense. Clearly, you failed the challenge. But I don’t associate with you, so don’t bother replying to me.
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fedrz “Make a ridiculous accusation… accuse others of not standing behind their words… when it is actually you that is not standing behind your words.”
It is self-evident that rape is routinely trivialized and excused by PUAs and MRAs. Anyone reading these sites can see that. But of course you will always deny it, just like feminists always deny everything. I cannot comprehend such logic at all. Why say something if you will just later deny it?
Snark, if you don’t “associate” with me, then why are you talking to me?
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null, I don’t think you understand what “self-evident” means.
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@Null-
Listen man. Seriously. We don’t advocate rape. That shit don’t fly. You make and accusation like that, then you need to show some evidence. Rape is horrible. Everyone here agrees. But saying that it is equivalent to other horrible things, like raising a child not knowing it isn’t yours, or various forms of brutal violence men suffer from much more often than females, or incarceration for crimes one did not commit, or murder, or torture, is not down playing rape, it is putting it in context of a brutal world that men deal with far more directly than women. You need at least show us some respect in your diagreement, as you come off, intentionally or not, as a pompous blow-hard who hold other people to standards that you yourself ignore. No one here claims to be perfect. Can you not see some of the mistakes you’ve made in your dialouge here in terms of tone and candor. Why would everyone here simultaniously declare you annoying, pointless, or a troll, if you have made no legitimate offense. Is everyone here insane, and you are the only rational player here? Do you really think that? Come on man, lets start over some, and go from there. We apologize that our extreme emotional reaction to the injustice of feminism rubs you the wrong way, and we apologize if our facts and information are not 100% correct 100% of the time. Do you have something you would like to say?
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It is self-evident that rape is routinely trivialized and excused by PUAs and MRAs. Anyone reading these sites can see that. But of course you will always deny it, just like feminists always deny everything. I cannot comprehend such logic at all. Why say something if you will just later deny it? — Null
Shouldn’t be tough for you to provide several clear examples of men trivializing traditional rape then, should it?
Still.
Waiting.
With.
Bated.
Breath.
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dull – “It is self-evident that rape is routinely trivialized and excused by PUAs and MRAs. Anyone reading these sites can see that”
Again, 24 hours later, the same challenge – link some examples of this.
You’ve already had time to find some (I suspect you’ve tried, and FAILED; so now your just going to go with bluster, in the faint hope that repeating a lie often enough will cause others to believe it), so… let’s see them.
You should take your BS where it will be better received – the “echo chamber” of radical lesbian sites.
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I can provide you with a clear examples of prominent feminists and their enablers trivializing the false accusation of men for rape (whichever definition is meant by rape though, is certainly not clear):
“If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them.” — David Angier (Massachusetts District Attorney)
“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience.” — Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time.
“And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.” — Susan Griffin “Rape: The All-American Crime”
“We live in a culture that condones and celebrates rape. Within a phallocentric, patriarchal state the rape of women by men is a ritual that daily perpetuates and maintains sexist oppression and exploitation. We cannot hope to transform “rape culture” without committing ourselves fully to resisting and eradicating patriarchy.” — Bell Hooks, “Seduced by Violence No More,” in Stan, Adele ed. Debating Sexual Correctness (New York, 1995) p.231.
“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’ — Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)
“Compare victims’ reports of rape with women’s reports of sex. They look a lot alike….[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it.” — Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, “Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation,” Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.
“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” — Catharine MacKinnon
“Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.” — Catharine MacKinnon
“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” — Robin Morgan
See, it’s not so hard to show that prominent feminists are trivializing Traditional Rape.
Not hard at all.
You claim that there examples all over this site of men doing something similar.
It ought not to be difficult for you to provide some clear examples so that we can begin a proper debate about the trivialization of Traditional Rape.
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“Of course you do. One of the many things feminists and MRAS and PUAs have in common is that they all refuse to stand behind their words.”
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Oh, how cute, equating MRA’s with PUA’a — and feminists?!?!
Nice attempt at pretending to be ‘even’-handed.
Yeah, like you are really against feminism — especially with your PARROTING the marxist-feminazi LIE-ne on false rape!!
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Jabherwochie “Is everyone here insane, and you are the only rational player here?”
You’re learning.
fedrz “Shouldn’t be tough for you to provide several clear examples of men trivializing traditional rape then, should it?”
A waste of my time. What happens when you provide clear examples to feminists? Denial, denial, denial and even more denial.
slwerner “You should take your BS where it will be better received – the “echo chamber†of radical lesbian sites.”
Why would I go there? You may as well tell me to go to a potato farming website. Would make about as much sense.
Get Real “Yeah, like you are really against feminism — especially with your PARROTING the marxist-feminazi LIE-ne on false rape!!”
I’m pretty sure I’ve never parroted any marxism or feminism of any kind.
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Thats it. I vote to ban Null. Lets give him what he wants.
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A waste of my time. What happens when you provide clear examples to feminists? Denial, denial, denial and even more denial. — Null
You mean like how you just denied my clear examples to you, and yet fail to provide even one example of your own, of which you claim are rampant all throughout this site?
And, btw, aside from you, there are no feminists here… again, I feel to see the point of your argument.
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“You mean like how you just denied my clear examples to you, and yet fail to provide even one example of your own, of which you claim are rampant all throughout this site?”
You fail at reading comprehension.
“And, btw, aside from you, there are no feminists here… again, I feel to see the point of your argument.”
I have not expressed any support for feminism. You are delusional.
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Jabherwochie “Thats it. I vote to ban Null.”
I thought MRAs were better than feminists. I guess I have been misinformed.
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I said I would give you what you want, that is your victory in bringing us down to the level of feminists, but you have succussfully trolled us that far. You win.
Ban Null!
BanNull!
BanNal!
Bannal!
Banal.
Yeah, that sums him up.
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I’m not surprised at all. The females at Duke are thoroughly infected with 3rd wave feminist groupthink. I love bringing feminine women to Duke events to see how uncomfortable the typical Duke “girl” gets around them.
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You fail at reading comprehension. — null
Could you explain that further please?
I have not expressed any support for feminism. You are delusional.
Not directly, but, you obviously support the feminist notion that gender is a social construct – as is evidenced by your claims that the motivations, conditions, and results of promiscuity are identical for both sexes. And, you are unable to screech anything except that we are trying to minimize rape – which is also a stereotypical feminist argument, of which I have previously provided clear examples. Examples that your “arguments” support, rather than deconstruct.
Hmmm… and yet you cite that your reasons for not providing non-feminists with examples of your unfounded accusations against us is because feminists ignore them. Could you expand upon that and show the path of logic you have followed to use that as an excuse to not provide the examples we requested… the ones that, you know, you claimed were all over the place on this site?
If it looks like shit, smells like shit, and tastes like shit… forgive me for calling it shit.
You feminist.
***Spits***
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Jabherwochie “I said I would give you what you want, that is your victory in bringing us down to the level of feminists, but you have succussfully trolled us that far. You win.”
You are the troll, not me. I have demonstrated this multiple times.
fedrz “Not directly, but, you obviously support the feminist notion that gender is a social construct”
I have never supported this notion.
“as is evidenced by your claims that the motivations, conditions, and results of promiscuity are identical for both sexes.”
They are not identical, they just don’t make any difference. They are just excuses people use to justify their own hypocrisy.
“And, you are unable to screech anything except that we are trying to minimize rape – which is also a stereotypical feminist argument, of which I have previously provided clear examples.”
Pointing out the obvious fact that rape is frequently trivialized and excused in PUA/MRA circles has absolutely nothing at all to do with feminism.
“Hmmm… and yet you cite that your reasons for not providing non-feminists with examples of your unfounded accusations against us is because feminists ignore them.”
My reason is that you would simply deny everything. Just like feminists.
“You feminist.”
You’re delusional. Maybe you should try some kind of medication.
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If your time is so precious that you won’t substantiate your claim because it will meet a wall of denial, why exactly did you make the claim in the first place? Wasn’t that a waste of your time too?
In fact, why are you wasting your time by commenting here at all null? You must know by now that few take you seriously, and by your own comments, you don’t appear to be open to changing your own view of things. I’ll grant you that you do present a certain curiosity value, in that it’s interesting to me that people like you would persist so doggedly for no clear purpose, but I doubt you’re motivated by a desire to intrigue and entertain others.
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Rape does occur in the present time and has always occurred. There’s even a story in the bible where Tamar is raped.
The fact that there are individuals out in the world who think nothing of making false accusations is wretched, and when considering that the primary motivation for such schemes is money, that makes it all the worse. They not only are damaging the lives of the accused, but they are also screwing up things and making *real* cases of rape with victims that *should* be believed and are instead viewed with skepticism and distrust.
The media loves to cover “breaking news” on cases like what we saw happen with the students from Duke, and the other notable case in NY – even though it’s more than likely going to turn out to be completely false. Heck, even when they find out that it is, the name-calling and public humiliation of the men who have been exonerated continues. It’s as bad as the trend towards expecting a public apology from politicians and celebrities who have been unfaithful (which of course seems to only apply to men…a ridiculous practice) as if the public had been betrayed. Crap like that makes me wish that the courts would start imposing mandatory gag orders on all similar situations.
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Seriously, null, every time you say this, I just crack up laughing. It’s almost become a personal meme of yours. If you are actually doing this intentionally (as I strongly suspect you are), I must concede to you that it is comedic brilliance.
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Pointing out the obvious fact that rape is frequently trivialized and excused in PUA/MRA circles has absolutely nothing at all to do with feminism.
Null,
OK, fair enough, just please provide a specific instance where MRA’s and/or PUA’s have either trivialized or excused rape.
In reality it seems as if the only people who are trivializing are the feminists themselves, with their tremendously broad and ludicrous definitions of what constitutes rape.
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“In reality it seems as if the only people who are trivializing are the feminists themselves, with their tremendously broad and ludicrous definitions of what constitutes rape.”
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Such as these fine, upstanding ‘scholars’:
“And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.†— Susan Griffin “Rape: The All-American Crimeâ€
“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.†— Catharine MacKinnon
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””””Crap like that makes me wish that the courts would start imposing mandatory gag orders on all similar situations.””””
Makes sense until convicted. Then fine post it but the guilty till proven innocent should stop.
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”””””””fedrz January 12, 2010 at 11:36
I can provide you with a clear examples of prominent feminists and their enablers trivializing the false accusation of men for rape (whichever definition is meant by rape though, is certainly not clear):
“If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them.†— David Angier (Massachusetts District Attorney)
“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience.†— Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time.
“And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.†— Susan Griffin “Rape: The All-American Crimeâ€
“We live in a culture that condones and celebrates rape. Within a phallocentric, patriarchal state the rape of women by men is a ritual that daily perpetuates and maintains sexist oppression and exploitation. We cannot hope to transform “rape culture†without committing ourselves fully to resisting and eradicating patriarchy.†— Bell Hooks, “Seduced by Violence No More,†in Stan, Adele ed. Debating Sexual Correctness (New York, 1995) p.231.
“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’ — Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)
“Compare victims’ reports of rape with women’s reports of sex. They look a lot alike….[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it.†— Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, “Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation,†Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.
“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.†— Catharine MacKinnon
“Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.†— Catharine MacKinnon
“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.†— Robin Morgan
See, it’s not so hard to show that prominent feminists are trivializing Traditional Rape.
Not hard at all.
You claim that there examples all over this site of men doing something similar.
It ought not to be difficult for you to provide some clear examples so that we can begin a proper debate about the trivialization of Traditional Rape.
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Needs its own post.
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Snark “Seriously, null, every time you say this, I just crack up laughing. It’s almost become a personal meme of yours.”
It is merely a factual statement. Many people here, including the site’s writers, engage in blatant trolling, whereas I have not done so.
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“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’ — Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)
Interestingly, Judith Levine wrote a book,”Harmful to minors”, in which she tries to downplay statutory rape between teen females and twenty-something males.
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Umm, if you are using sexual coercion, isolation, light hypnosis, psychic suggestion, LMR, or anything else that unfairly influences a person into or out of something (a resource like money, sex, belongings, etc) you ARE a criminal, a con artist, and are sexually assaulting that woman.
I’d call a “group of women” who are teaching other women to literally trick, deceive, and steal the money from any and all men as fast and as deceptively as they could, you’d call them con-artists, criminals, and abusers.
You’d be correct. That’s why any sexual coercion SHOULD be prosecuted and SHOULD be frowned upon, shunned, shamed, and punished.
There has never been a time where more “sleaze” is something that is good for society and PUA’s are definitely “more sleaze”. So if they’re prosecuted and jailed one by one it is still doing society a huge favor.
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