Commenter Puma pointed out that Joe Iannicelli, the “Old Roman,” has uploaded a video to YouTube. In the video, he details one case of corruption that exemplifies what occurs in courts around the country, which explains why men are so often burned by a justice system that is anything but “just.”
Mr. Iannicelli’s website can be found at the following URL:
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Thanks for the HT Welmer! The credit goes to Hindustan who brought it to the MGTOW forum’s attention this morning.
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Awesome!
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Rebel wrote:
Now this bugs me. This guy is incarcerated and we have people listening to his video, spitting out a 1-2 line comment in approval, and then they go on with their lives and forget about it. What are you doing personally to carry this movement forward just a bit further?
* If you have a blog, then use it to share this video.
* If you network on other blogs or forums, then share the video there.
* If you have a Facebook account and at least a few friends, then post the video to your wall.
* Call the newsroom at your local newspaper or TV News station, and ask them to assign this story to one of their reporters.
* If you can donate money, do so. I suggest donating money to organizations that have successfully challenged government statutes, such as Fathers and Families or the National Coalition For Men.
In other words, do something! But don’t just yell “Awesome!” and then move on. Don’t be like 95 percent of MRA commenters on the various forums in the men’s rights movement. Expend some effort if you believe that it’s awesome, and after you’ve done so, tell us (and your network of like-minded friends) what you did.
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This is a start
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1. A man is not put on this earth to be made responsible for another adults food, drink, clothing, shelter or pocket money, on account of their sex, however much of a dependant that other adult is or is conditioned to be. And neither does a man have legitimate children in order to owe child support to another as a ransome on their behalf.
2. It cannot be made the responsibility of one households members, the provision of sustennance for another households members. Otherwise degeneracy, weakness and immorality result from the fact of freely obtained fodder for bastards, their single parents and other anti-socials. Any free provision for this lot isnt social justice but social suicide.
3. It only serves as encouragement to other criminals who also wish to live for free on other peoples property; when they see ex spouses entitled for free, purely as a matter of their sex, to ongoing subsidies off other peoples property and earnings.
4. Over the long term in a society of freely obtained alimoney, child support and other legal parasitisms, the number of workers prepared to work honestly and legaly for their daily bread decreases in direct proportion to increases in all other economic vermin. You see this inevitable result in the western nations crime statistics and incarceration rates.
5. The forcibly making of fathers via mothers accountable to their children is no business or right of anyones, not least the state. Well adjusted, healthy and respectful children are products of good parenting and not good state intervention. Especially as the alternative result is not better fed, well educated and adequately clothed children, but a better empowered and better resourced state that doesn’t know its boundaries.
6. Until the state dips its nose in, a child living with its father and mother naturally eats at the table where its parents eat; sleeps under the roof where its parents sleep and defecates at the latrine where its parents do the same etc, etc. Only after the state interferes does the political question of child poverty that itself has deliberately caused become an issue.
7. How is the absent parent made accountable on the one hand but themeselves in turn shown no accounts of expenditure for their child on the other. Are we to assume the non-sequitor of the childs welfare being met because child support is paid ?
8. Child support encourages bastardisation of previously happy children originally born legitimate. It encourages enprostitution to the state in those who stand to gain a free something on account of their sex alone. It promotes general bad character and weakness in the children and recipients of the said support, as they literally start to live for free and come to expect to continue doing so. Lastly, it creates the impression in other bad peoples minds that if women and children are entitled to live for free owing no single duty to others, especially the paying father, then they are themselves also entitled to live this way. That is as crooks !
9. Note also that the expectation of posterity in children rightfully belongs to parents [fathers too] who have a natural and personal stake in it, and not the inanimate state that neither conceives, delivers nor bears the burden of nuturing children.
A very important ethical question that amoral societies as ours, of freely availiable child support and alimoney-for-nothing, deliberately overlook is this:
How does a woman know the true source of alimoney or child support she eagerly receives, if she does not herself live within the household of the man whom is forced at gunpoint to pay it to her ? How can a woman know the provenance of that money she readily accepts without question, in the absence of residing with the paying man ?
1- What if the alimoney or child support sums first has to be stolen from others ?
2- What if the alimoney or child support is generated as a result of pimping others ?
3- What if the alimoney or child support paid are the proceeds of cocaine smuggling ?
4- What if the alimoney or child support paid first arises as a result of criminal activity ?
5- What if the alimoney or child support paid is actually blood money ?
So the lesson learnt is that any woman whom stoops to accepting coerced alimoney or child support, is herself complicit in crime, in violence, in theft, in murder and in white slavery. She is justly regarded as a wretched, imoral or wayward person, not least because other women as herself, may be subjected to harm or personal violations in a mans forced pursuit of alimoney or child support.
And such a woman receiving it, is herself as corrupt, as unworthy and as incriminated by indecency and low morals, as anyone else surborning such an absurd notion as paying child support and alimoney in absentia or exile.
Do such women receiving it think that because the government promotes, encourages, collects and enforces alimoney and child support, that its amoral origins are somehow cleansed and washed away? Of course not. That would be to absolve the Nazis’ German wife of moral responsibility and implication for willfully receiving as gifts, a murdered peoples property. She is as much a big shit as he was.
In this whole world, the only valid and honest child or spousal support is that mutual and loving support, family members of the same household, reciprocally and voluntarily provide for each other.
Any other thing is extortion and theft, no matter the theories and allegations justifying or excusing it !
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Awesome!
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Who is giving the ex-wife power, and for what reason?
I think it’s pretty clear who is the tail, and who is the dog.
This is just another American Shakedown.
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@ John D,
Believe me, I understand your frustration. I am frustrated, too. Probably more so than you.
I am not criticizing here, but you seem to believe that such actions will have some effect and this is good: we should not lose hope.
Personally, I have lost all trust in the system.
Writing letters and sending some money is fine, but this is not even one drop in the ocean, according to me, of course.
Nothing short of a tsunami can help. Remember the American Revolution. If it had never taken place, the American people would still be under British rule.
Now: THAT was a solution.
Words will do nothing now. TOO LATE FOR THAT.
I can go no further than this now, or can I?
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Rebel
Words will do nothing now. TOO LATE FOR THAT.
I can go no further than this now, or can I?
Understand loud and clear. And the reason for it is that it is a lucrative ‘game’ run by those pulling the strings. If it were to be made not so much, i. e. some very strong penalties/actions against this, I suspect it would change depending on the number and type of penalties.
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If you’d like to send a line to Joe, his address is:
Joe Iannicelli
Prisoner, Glynn County Jail
1812 Newcastle Street
Brunswick, GA 31520
I’ve never done time, so I don’t know what it’s like to get mail while in a jail-house – especially from strangers. Maybe someone here could let us know more about it. But my guess is that mail from the outside would be one of the focal points of the day, something to look forward to if there’s any chance of something coming. For prisoners of conscience, I expect letters from strangers would be especially welcome and would make the time inside feel more like a mission with purpose, rather than a exercise in futility.
Who knows, just a few sentences from thousands of miles away could have an effect none of us could foresee.
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Actually, a man could do one helluva lot more damage on the inside than on the outside.
If I ever get thrown into the clink, I excpect one of you to send me a tin cup to rattle on my bars.
This guy won’t be going into Sing Sing. But he will be surrounded by gobs of disenfranchised men who have lots of time on their hands. Many of them might be doing time with him for charges relating to their divorce, or for being an impoverished father, or similar such circumstances. He will have many willing ears around him. I imagine he might get instant respect for being and old man sticking it back to the system.
Besides, what’re they gonna do to him for rattling his tin cup? Throw him in jail?
Three hots and a cot. What more do you need?
I have a friend who has done some time here in Canuckistan. First in minimum security. He said it was alright. He had his own room, and because he had an arm injury he was assigned to be a cook, rather than chopping firewood with the other inmates. He said they had a lounge with a TV, a foosball table and a pool table. Lights out by 10pm.
He got busted trying to smuggle some dope through the fence one day… and they sent him to a medium security prison, which he said kinda sucked compared to minimum security. I drove four hours to pick him up after a year and a half – he did the full stint. We went directly to the strippers for a beer and eye-candy. Lol!
But, I’ve thought of this situation before, and whooo boy, would I become one helluva mean activist from my jail cell. Just need my tin cup.
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Be careful what you ask for – you might get a truck-load.
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Heh… maybe I can trade them for smokes, eh?
Actually, Welmer, perhaps we could send him a letter with an address he can write back to so that he can write letters and have them published here on The Spearhead.
That way he won’t get forgotten, plus he will have his voice heard on the outside.
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I’ll write him a letter, if you would be willing to put them up.
I’d need your address… which you could send to my e-mail address:
robfedders@yahoo.ca
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Rob,
Just in case Welmer’s out for a few hours, you can submit a letter to him via the ‘Contact’ tab at top.
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@Rob,
“Actually, Welmer, perhaps we could send him a letter with an address he can write back to so that he can write letters and have them published here on The Spearhead. ”
What an excellent idea! I go along with that.
In any case, I do plan to send him a letter to show him support.
We might be able to rattle the system, somehow.
@John D,
Nothing gets lost. See?
Thanks for your comments.
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I’ve already written my letter, goes out on the next post.
Hat tip to BettySwollocks on the MGTOW forum for suggesting the idea to me, and hindustan for finding out Joe’s prisoner address.
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So this 80 year old dude is actually in prison right now. Even though he brought up the various problems like the lawyer was the judges son.
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Wife abandoned the kids with him almost 40 years before.
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There’s something exhilarating about what Joe Iannicelli has just done. It is awesome. This is what blacks felt 40 odd years ago when Rosa Parks refused to sit in the back of the bus, come what may.
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Here is the letter I just wrote to the governor of Georgia, Sonny Perdue. I initially tried to use the contact form on the state’s website, but it doesn’t seem to be working, so I had to resort to the post office. If you want to write to the governor, here is the contact info:
The Office of the Governor
State of Georgia
203 State Capitol
Atlanta, Georgia 30334
Phone:
404-656-1776
Fax:
404-657-7332
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Dear Mr. Perdue,
I am an American living abroad, and I am writing to demand justice for Mr. Joe Iannicelli, who is being held in debtor’s prison in your state for failing to pay alimony to an ex-wife who abandoned him and his two sons about 40 years ago. Civilized society abolished debtor’s prisons centuries ago because it realized that imprisoning someone for a debt was cruel and self-defeating. And yet, Georgia’s legal system has effectively reinstated debtor’s prisons for people like Mr. Iannicelli. The eighth amendment to our federal Constitution states that “cruel and unusual punishments” shall not be inflicted. The state of Georgia’s legal system forcing Mr. Iannicelli to pay money for 40 years to a person who broke their marriage contract is unjust, and is cruel and unusual punishment. The state of Georgia’s legal system throwing Mr. Iannicelli into debtor’s prison for refusing to follow an unjust law is a gross violation of his human rights and his rights as an American. Fifty years or so ago, Georgia had laws against blacks using white drinking fountains, riding in certain seats on the bus, et cetera. People such as Rosa Parks refused to recognize those laws and claimed their rights as human beings and citizens, risking their lives and going to jail for what they believed in. Around the time that Mr. Iannicelli’s wife abandoned him and his sons, Georgia changed those “whites only” laws, because the people and government of Georgia realized those laws were indeed unjust. Mr. Iannicelli’s situation today is similar to that of the blacks then. There is an unjust law presently on the books in Georgia, and Mr. Iannicelli is in jail because he has refused to recognize it any longer. I urge you to make freeing Mr. Iannicelli and the men like him who are now languishing in Georgia’s debtor’s prisons your top priority.
Respectfully,
Laikastes
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“What are you doing personally to carry this movement forward just a bit further?”
I have charged two magistrates with common law crimes and I am trying to get juries raised in Sydney to try these two magistrates and incarcerate them. I have noticed the PM and AG of Australia that they too may be charged, tried and incarcerated if they do not address these issues as ‘accessory after the fact’. I have also noticed the PM/AG that I believe the Geneva Convention supports the lawful assassination of all members of the Australian Law Society. Quite provocative.
The question I have is this. What else are you OTHER guys doing about the crimes being committed by your guvments and legal fraternity? And if you are not getting off your arses and doing exactly what I am doing then why the hell not? There is nothing special about me except that I put in the time to understand their system learning from great men like Robert Arthur Menard and John Harris.
Laikastes
“I am an American living abroad, and I am writing to demand justice for Mr. Joe Iannicelli, who is being held in debtor’s prison in your state for failing to pay alimony to an ex-wife who abandoned him and his two sons about 40 years ago”
And you think this might work? What are you two years old? How about:
“I am a sovereign and in my capacity as a sovereign acting on behalf of Mr. Joe Iannicelli I am charging you with the common law crime of violation of the right to be free. You will be tried, in absentia if necessary, and incarerated if found guilty. Should you refuse to be incarcerated you may be subject to lawful assassination. In the meantime, each hour Mr. Joe Iannicelli remains incarcerated after your receipt of this lawful notice you will be charged a fee of one troy ounce of gold.”
Welcome to the world of common law. That letter can be sent to the Governor and he can then choose what he will do. All it would take to enforce the jury and incarceration if found guilty is 12 good men. Are there 12 good men in Atlanta?
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Globalman
“I am a sovereign and in my capacity as a sovereign acting on behalf of Mr. Joe Iannicelli I am charging you with the common law crime of violation of the right to be free. You will be tried, in absentia if necessary, and incarerated if found guilty. Should you refuse to be incarcerated you may be subject to lawful assassination. In the meantime, each hour Mr. Joe Iannicelli remains incarcerated after your receipt of this lawful notice you will be charged a fee of one troy ounce of gold.”
Yes, they only fear teeth as in something happening to themselves for their actions. After finding them guilty, it then becomes a matter of enforcing it. In a state such as Georgia which is heavily armed, that may involve a picking up of arms, something I have observed may be the only way to alter the paradigm in the US. Although the founders (yes I know of their affiliations) could have conceived of future warfare, I tend to wonder about that 2nd amendment.
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Welmer, I hope it’s ok to re-post this video on my blog–we’ve gotta get this story out there.
I did a Google News search, and found only one article covering this story: South Georgia man went to jail out of ‘principle’
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You don’t specify what it is that ‘might not work’. If the intention is to bring the name ‘Joe Iannicelli’ to the attention of the state governor, it has every chance of working.
Do you think refusing to sit at the back of the bus would have worked for anyone before Rosa Parks? What was so special about her that she went down in history, but all before her were probably beaten up and/or thrown in jail? Why is it we know her name, and not the name of anyone else who refused?
Why did the keepers of the Berlin Wall finally give up killing anyone who tried to get over it, after doing so ferociously for 40 years?
Few of us is going to achieve a great victory. We are not Patons marching into Rome. We are more like termites eating away at the inside of something, one little bite at a time. Each bite isn’t a failure because it’s not the one that brings everything down – the termite isn’t a loser because it cannot eat up the building on its own. Everyone of us, no matter what we do, is probably never going to see a tangible outcome for our efforts, but that doesn’t mean a vital difference hasn’t been made.
Everything worth doing is full of steps that don’t seem to make a difference.
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Globalman,
I usually ignore you, but since you addressed me directly, I will respond. No, I don’t think my letter is likely to make much of a difference, if any at all. But my letter may have an infinitismal chance of being read by the governor, whereas yours will not, as it will not make it past his staff, because it sounds like it was written by a paranoid, tinfoil hat-wearing, homicidal crackpot who should be undergoing intense psycho- and pharmacotherapy. And my age is clearly stated on my forum profile. Read it and spare me your rhetorical idiocy.
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Joe Iannicelli is courageous. But odds are he will be as well remembered as Bob Cheney. Does that name ring any bells? Even here, it probably doesn’t.
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A point about this case:
http://m.jax2go.com/articles/195424635
I will say IMHO that woman hated males why else would she have dumped the sons off as she did? And she expects to be paid while her ex-husband cared for and paid for his two sons, undoubtedly having to send them through college as well by himself while she paid nothing in support to him? What nerve she has to do that!
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Thanks to those folks who wrote to Joe Iannicelli in prison.
It looks like being bunk mates with Biff & Bubba was too much for our 80 year old hero. He was forced to pay the alimony arrears to his child-abandoning-ex-wife and was released from prison at 11am Eastern today.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-01-28/story/iannicelli_released_from_jail_after_paying_back_alimony
Remember: When you’re a woman, it *pays* even when you abandon your children in a Jekyll Island, GA parking lot. You can do no wrong in the eyes of the Family Court.
Men: Don’t Get Married!!!
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Correction : He was released *yesterday* at 11am Eastern.
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Dam he capitulated course what happens when you don’t have the money. As usual it is proved that money is everything.
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Perhaps this was his plan all along. To go to prison just long enough to draw attention to the case and to the alleged legal corruption i.e. the GA Supreme Court Judge’s lawyer-son representing the ex-wife, and the alimony reinstatement (of the ’78 order) being handed to the lawyer-son by his momma’s Court Clerk.
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… I have a feeling that the fight isn’t over for the Old Roman.
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Hi Grandpa Joe, It’s wrong what Grandma is doing just want to let the world know that no matter what, you have our support… Love You!
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