We reported on the shameful surrender of Peter Robinson in the face of his wife’s wanton adultery yesterday, but weren’t fully apprised of the heinous nature of Iris Robinson’s transgression.
It seems that Iris seduced a teenage boy who is 40 years her junior. She offered to help him in his business following a tragedy in his family, and then took advantage of him. This exposes the true nature of the “cougar” phenomenon — it is all about power and the consumption of innocent prey.
Western women have become so unhinged that not only are they willing to lay waste to their own families, but will also gleefully permanently destroy the reputations of young men as well. There’s no doubt that this kid will never live his affair with the predatory Northern Ireland MP down. For the rest of his life, his “relationship” with a married woman old enough to be his grandmother will haunt his steps.
Perhaps women think it is no big thing to have affairs with older men. If there is any disparity in adultery between men and women it is a mathematical certainty that this is due to young women being eager homewreckers, but for young men there is little in the way of forgiveness for such disgusting behavior. Certainly, the Maureen Dowds of the world may have reaped great benefits from their ancient dalliances with older men, but nobody has any respect for the young man who is seduced by a lecherous old lady.
Kirk McCambley, the boy who engaged in adultery with Mrs. Robinson, committed a heinous act, but given our female-worshipping society he will be the one to pay the heaviest price despite his lesser guilt. A young life has been ruined by vice, but is it fair that the boy will bear the greatest burden for this crime of passion?
Surely it isn’t. We live in a warped world in which there is nothing but encouragement for women to act on their most base instincts and then run away and hide under the cover of sympathy committed by the women in their lives.
Because, thanks to progressives such as the Swedes, adultery has been decriminalized, we can only hope that Mrs. Robinson’s manipulation of boy with her power and connections will be punished under the rubric of corruption. Unfortunately, it is only the economic corruption rather than moral, for which she may be held responsible. In a better world, the rotten woman would do time for both, but those in power, including her husband, want nothing more than to exonerate her disgusting crimes.
Mrs. Robinson indeed!
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How he got wood is pretty much a miracle. My dick would’ve crawled up my colon.
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if he can f**k that hag, he’s got no shame.
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The woman is unhinged alright. However this was a man not a BOY. He was nineteen and old enough to make his own decisions. Had it been a a fifty nine year old man who had an affair with a 19 year old woman, I would still have the same opinion.
I got married when I was 19.. very young, but I knew what I was doing, I was not a girl.
As a practicing christian, I find their behaviour to be abhorrent, however, they are both consenting adults.
Apart from the moral aspect, I cannot understand ( like wow) how a virile nineteen year old man could possibly engage in sex with such an older woman! (ugh!)
Perhaps he maintained the charade for as long as he could in order to get the loan for his business.
Now, had he been a boy of fourteen ( a minor.). Well…. Completely different matter altogether!
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Sorry for the dissonance, but I don’t think this young man was an innocent prey. He is a man and he was willing to pay the price for the service rendered.
I see this more like a business transaction: money and sex have always been a pair. In fact, those two are a pair that will never divorce..lol!..
The young man needed financial help and the old women needed some sex. A business transaction.
Sex is really no big deal: it’s a physiological function like all such bodily functions and nothing more. Glands being rubbed together.
I find it so amusing to read the zillions of comments about where Tiger dips his dingeling in the name of so-called and elusive “morality”.
Let’s not forget that adultery is caused by marriage… for if marriage was abolished, there could be no adultery.
Now, divorce is caused by marriage, for if marriage was abolished (as I hope it will), there could be no divorce.
The only person I would blame (that is IF I wanted to blame someone) is M. Robinson for beeing such a wussy.
But if he forgives his wife, why should we condemn her?
I believe in unlimited and unrestricted personal freedom for everybody. I even demand it.
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law”
The Equinox.
Aleister Crowley (Master Therion)
Marriage is the culprit. It is the state’s preferred way to enslave you.
Marriage was invented by the State and the Church with that single purpose. Other than state control of your lives, marriage is totally useless one one hand and quite harmful on the other hand unless it is a BUSINESS TRANSACTION.
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Says you what, Rebel? Marriage, as originally intended, was made so that all men who desired wives could get one, without the polygamists monopolizing them. It was made for men, not women or alpha dogs. And when properly practiced, it kind of does make Western Civilization. It’s divorce that’s the big, nasty sword hanging over the heads of marriages.
But I am not your rhetorical opponent, nor the best man to make the argument that having many actually married people promotes independence from the state. This man is.
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At least Dustin Hoffman’s Mrs Robinson was only one generation older – and movie art was able to make Anne Bancroft interesting, if not exactly appetizing. But this one’s a bloody granny. Reminds me of some of the more hideous themes associated with the French aristocracy’s geriatric mesdames in their great era of excess – shortly before they were all beheaded. I suppose the same factors are present: most powerful wife in the land; increasing autocracy; wealth coagulating to the top; young men reduced to selling their bodies to hags.
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Interestingly, Bancroft was only 36 and Hoffman 30 when the movie was made. Hoffman played a 23 year old, however. Not sure how old Bancroft was meant to be but she was made up to look older than her 36 years.
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my first reaction was that no crime was committed here.
an omega male fucked an expired female for money. no evolutionary psychology was disrupted. i’d call the guy an omega because :who else: would bang a 59 year old hag.
after no more than 10 seconds of research, i changed my opinion. the kid definitely exceeded his p/q model x axis for sperm and hard cock. the woman is a shameful slut: big surprise, but it is only because she is married that she is called for it by our community. if she is self-made and single, this is completely Adam Smith savvy.
there is nothing interesting to be gleaned from this story. instead, let’s examine our own sexual moires. how much money would it take for you all to let a guy suck your cock?
seriously… i know a guy who knows a guy who is an amateur bodybuilder; he is into the “muscle worship” circuit where dudes pay to give YOU a massage… but you make more money if you also let them suck your cock!!!!
so how much to close your eyes and let a dude blow you???
of course, blowing a dude yourself is much different.
your past and present mindsets are the considered variables. i’ll start the bidding by saying i would let a dude blow me for $4000 and blow a guy for $250,000. these figures could conceivably go up or down, and i absolutely recognize the diminishing returns on the investment of my morals and mental mindset. holla back with your replies. i look forward to hearing from you.
yours, The Obsidian (just kidding obsidian, it’s me, Cannon)
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I think if you’re already pricing in your resistance price, you’re more than halfway there – and people have been known to blow more than $4,000 after a few too many drinks.
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It is truly amazing that men, particularly in the Anglosphere, have such spineless, weak-kneed attitudes towards women. If men refuse to get tough with their women, then they deserve the misery they receive from women. We as men do not rely on laws or movements to get what we want. As men, we take what’s ours.
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@ Canon
LMAO
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Questions to Ponder Over: 01
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/questions-to-ponder-over-01/
“An example: What will keep most men motivated to work themselves to death, when they have no advantage in doing so. The current dating and marriage markets are fucked. Kids have no social pressures to care for you in your old age. Your competence or ability in your job have no correlation with rewards, or any occupational security. Most people are a paycheck or two away from a downward spiral. The “elite”, whom many of you look upto, are busy sucking you dry with the active help of your elected officials.
While some of these conditions were present through most of history in feudal societies, they did not have the irreversible complexity, myriad possibilities, technology and communications that we now have. It also helped that they had very basic needs and simple supply chains, with high fertility rates. You see the problem..”
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@Kathy Farrelly
You claim that this ‘man’ could give perfectly valid consent because he was 19 and therefore not a minor (by one year – and remember boys develop later than girls). Therefore, you don’t see what the fuss is about. Feminists have continuously raised the age of consent via the justification that young people need to be protected from predatory older people with power. (Despite feminist’s efforts, America remains one of only 3 or 4 countries in the world where ‘sex with minors’ is in itself illegal i.e. the age of consent is 18). Feminists don’t, as a rule, condemn teenagers for having sex with each other – although the sexual trade union laws they create increasingly lead to teenage boys being jailed as paedophiles for having sex with their teenage girlfriends.
Now in this case, a 59 year old Government minister seducing a teenage boy who was recently devastated by a death in his family AND giving him financial ‘help’ while she is screwing him behind her husband’s back. But you’d happily see a sexually inexperienced 25 year old man locked up for having sex with a 16 year old slut?
If we’re talking about power differentials, as feminists are want to do in the jailing and criminilization of men, this is about as bad as it gets.
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You don´t complain about the boys age:
What annoys you all most is that now women are (capable of) doing the same thing that men does (using their status and power to screw much younger boys just as men do on much younger girls).
It is equality, isn´t it?
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If it’s equality, then Iris Robinson should be publicly hanged.
Everyone who is saying it’s a ‘deal’, ‘he needed money, she needed sex’, are forgetting that he needed money more than she needed sex. He was in a position to be taken advantage of, and that he was. We don’t give women carte blanche to be rapists and exploiters because they ‘need sex’.
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I don´t think to be a rapist an 59 (or 80¡¡) old man who have sex or whatever they want to a girl og 20 (it is their lives) and If you think that he doesn´t serves on his status and money (taking profit of her, according to your words) you are a little candid.
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Not taking profit – the guy was in need of financial help.
And along comes Iris Robinson to provide it, with strings attached.
In my opinion, that is blackmail.
In my opinion, that is rape. In my view, she raped him.
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no one “raped” anyone here. a nineteen year old omega male pays $250 for sex with a grandma, a lesser beta gets drunk and calls it a wash, and a teenage alpha charges her $500 and then puts the video up on youporn. short the video, this kid made out fine.
this wife would have fucked a kid who was 19, 16, or 22. her shame lies in the sexual selection of youth and virility over faithfulness, respect, and chastity. age of consent, whether or not it is a retarded feminist construction (it is), has nothing to do with this story.
there is one shameful asshole who is setting back the male gender: the testosterone-lacking apologist husband who forgives the affair. he is the shitstain who deserves your contempt. does he care if his wife had banged a 19, 13, or 85 year old? no, he forgives her on the grounds of not being emotionally available. an elected leader who loses manifest status to a broke teenager in the eyes of his post-menopausal wife… just try to conceptualize this in terms of evo-psych for a minute.
ready to concede that democracy is a farce?
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The age of consent is 17 in Ireland, Schopenbecq.
That is the law.
Boys develop later than girls?
Says who?
Like I said, what could a 59 year old female have to attract a 19 year old guy.. Money perhaps???
He was not a baby, he was a man!
He had a choice!
He knew what he was doing.
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@Canon Canon I agree with every single word except that I think that the age of consent issue IS revelent with this woman. Northern Ireland reduced the age of consent from 18 to 16 only last year (to bring it into line with the rest of the United Kingdom) yet many MPs voted against the reduction – I’m assuming that this woman was one of them. Then she goes out and in effect pays for sex with a vulnerable 19 year old boy.
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@snark
” Not taking profit – the guy was in need of financial help.
And along comes Iris Robinson to provide it, with strings attached.
In my opinion, that is blackmail.
In my opinion, that is rape. In my view, she raped him.”
Nope, in case that the guy has no fetish for older women, I would call that prostitution. Is prostitution necessarily rape?
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And what do you say about this? First legal male brothel in the US?
http://www.startribune.com/nation/80850102.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiacyKUUr
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He is not a boy!
A 19 year old woman is not a girl!
Vulnerable 19 year old boy???
Puhleeaase!
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defending female prostitution (in other posts), and considering this “affair” a rape??? (this is, at most and at worst, male prostitution), but I don´t thing this case to be prostitution, either; they simply “confort each other” in their neccessities.
Anyway, she was a married woman, she was the one who did it bad.
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@Kathy Farrelly
This may be your personal take on the matter – it might also be mine. And it may be that if the roles were reversed you might see nothing wrong with that either.
But imagine if it was not Iris Robinson, but her husband Peter who had had an affair with a 19 year old girl-women and paid her a small sum of money. How do you think the press and the public at large would react? Would Iris Robinson immediately blame herself for not being attentive to her husband’s need, and forgive him publicly? Would there be a general consensus that the girl knew what she was doing?
Would they heck!
His career would be over, the girl would be a victim and so would his wife. It would be front-page news on every newspaper around the world, and every TV news edition would bore us yet again with this tired old tripe.
That’s the world we live in. It’s nothing remotely like equal. If it was equal, Iris Robinson’s face would have been on every TV news bulletin tonight in my little corner of the world, and she would be the butt of every snarky joke or the target of every tut-tutting moralizer. Tiger Woods would finally be getting a break after more than a month of relentless rubbishing, even though he got clubbed in the face.
But the fact is her name won’t appear in my local newspaper, she will not be mentioned on the local TV news and no-one will be saying a word about her on local talk-back radio. I will be one of only a handful of people in my area who will have ever heard of her and what she’s done, and only because I visit web-sites like this.
And you must know that this is true. What you or I personally think of their conduct only obscures the more obvious double standard that should shock all of us who know what she’s done – the rest of the world has a better excuse than us because they will never learn about it. Could anything demonstrate how grossly mistreated men are than this?
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It does not matter what you or I think piercedhead, mate.
Robinson’s behaviour is reprehensible, I do not condone it.
The fact is , the 19 year old man concerned was not taken advantage of!
Come on! What young bloke of 19 would have sex with a 59 year old woman, when he could have it with a nubile and sexy woman his own age???
It beggars belief… Truly!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Now, there’s a good reason why!
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It is exploitation, not prostitution. If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. This is rape, in my opinion.
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The man did not simply profit from this ‘exchange’.
He was in need of financial help. It’s like if you were starving and I offered you my bread in exchange for sex. Do you profit from that? Could I say you did it for the $$$$$$$$? Could we say it is not exploitative?
In my opinion, this was a rape, and in my opinion, all the women here who are excusing it are rape apologists.
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In need of financial help to start a business?
He could have obtained a low paying job and saved up like the rest of us!
No, not the same as starving……Then..you do not have a real choice.
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If got to say I agree with this. He got £50K for a new business out of the deal, that’s a hell of a lot of money for a 19 year old. I would say he’s done very well out of the deal. He’ll probably have a bright future out of this, his life is far from ruined.
Having said this, I do think she’s bad for having an affair.
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Well, maybe I will argue that there is a rape ‘spectrum’, and that the things a man needs to live a fulfilled life include more than just bread; they may include self-actualisation.
I may demand to know, who you think you are, missy, to deny or invalidate men’s opinions and their experiences of the world.
I may state that, if a man says it is rape, it is rape, period!
When it comes to rape hysteria, I’m all about equal opportunities!
They’ve been having fun with the concept of ‘rape’ for a long while now, why can’t we do the same, with our own counter-definitions?
Watch out girls … that ‘consensual’ sex you had? Well, a man might just decide it wasn’t so consensual. And why not? Feminists have shown us that this kind of trickery is fair game. They’ve also made it quite explicit that we are embroiled in a gender war, and what’s that saying? Something about all things being fair in war … one should never be more honourable than his opponents, else he sets himself up to lose.
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No argument with you at all. Why would a 19 year old girl have sex with a 59 year old man? Also for money. That’s probably what motivated Silvio Berlusconi’s young ‘escorts’, along with the celebrity factor. But the whole world has heard about him, and he is Italian – character assassination of men over matters sexual is an Anglo specialty.
As a man, I’m sick to the back teeth of the whole hypocrisy of it, and the defensive position it puts men in. The only way I can think of is to fight fire with fire, and that’s to condemn this woman is a vile, carnal beast and excuse the lad as an innocent victim exploited by a sexual predator.
This may sound ridiculous to you, and I can assure you – it’s ridiculous to me as well. But after being subjected to this one-way farcical morality for 30+ years, I’m perfectly ready to shelve any sense of perspective and start pretending moral outrage at situations just like this. The danger is, I might get too fond of it.
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“I may state that, if a man says it is rape, it is rape, period!”
No argument with that Snark.
Did this 19 year old guy cry rape?
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“No argument with you at all. Why would a 19 year old girl have sex with a 59 year old man? Also for money. ”
Exactly, piercedhead!
I have no doubt at about that either.
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19 year old woman not girl
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Too late!
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Heh heh heh
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Actually, I think if we’re going to defeat the feminists, we have to play the game like feminists.
Dishonoruably.
Honour is what has held us back so far. They do not argue or agitate according to any values that we recognise; arguing honestly and logically has been a handicap so far.
Or maybe I’m wrong, just throwing it out there.
My posts above were facetious, which I’m sure you recognised; but wouldn’t it be nice if it wasn’t just men who had to worry about their consensual sexual encounters becoming ‘non-consensual’ later on?
Obviously, what would be best is if no one had to worry about such a thing;
but I don’t see feminists agitating for fairness when it comes to women’s treatment of men.
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Dishonourably *
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“but I don’t see feminists agitating for fairness when it comes to women’s treatment of men.”
Sad… but so true, Snark.
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The point is that it fits the feminist definition of rape.
Rape, per feminism, exists whenever there is a significant enough power differential between the parties such that one party has an ability to “effectively coerce” the other person into sex. That power differential can be hierarchical in a workplace, in an educational setting, or also in economic and social ways. Feminists are quick to label all of this as “rape”, and as men we should shove that definition right back down their throats in cases like this one.
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It’s time to bring back the “skimmington”. Look it up on Wikipedia, where it is featured today (Jan. 8). In fact, I can’t believe that it hasn’t been highlighted in an article of its own yet on this site!!!
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@novaseeker
“Feminists are quick to label all of this as “rape”, and as men we should shove that definition right back down their throats in cases like this one.”
But by doing so you validate their definition. And by validating their definition you validate their belief that in a strict urban patriarchal society where a women’s option is marriage or prostitution (since convents used to require dowry) it would be obvious that most women marry men under material duress and are therefore raped in the marriage? Do you agree?
But as far as double standards let us consider Anna Nicole Smith. She married an old, old men for money sakes. The whole society was condoning her as a gold digger. Nobody was crying rape because nobody forced her to marry him for money. And this is the case here. This “boy” is an adult, he has a vote and he can find employment. Or would you say Anna Nicole was being raped? Is the gender war then all about who rapes whom? …
no wonder marriage rates are declining.
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Thousands of men travel to second world countries to find brides who are decades younger then them, and if not for their economic statues would have no interest in them.
If you are to call this rape, then you must be fair and call that rape as well.
Ever been to Russia or a tourist destination where wealthy South African or Russian men bring their mistresses? Do you believe those stunning very young women would choose to be on the arm the seventy year old men or it’s a case of prostitution?
It is hypocrisy on the highest level to consider this young man a victim, while considering his female counterparts not.
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Live this “triangle” alone, for God sake.
She has been unfaithful to her husband, she has been a bad, untrust wife, so she is the one to blame. Her husband must do what he best consider.
Live them alone¡¡
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sorry, when written”live” I intended to say “leave”.
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‘Thousands of men travel to second world countries to find brides who are decades younger then them, and if not for their economic statues would have no interest in them.’
@Kave You really are missing the point here. Such men are indeed increasingly criminilized or at least stigmatised as ‘sex tourists’ and/or paedophiles (by middle-aged women in power, such as Iris Robinson). Even ex-pat males who have gone to places like Thailand for the cuisine or the climate feel ashamed at admitting as to where they live these days.
Secondly, marrying a beautiful Russian bride who seeks a better life and afinancial environment in which she can raise her children free from poverty is hardly equivalent to a 59 year old government minister having a bit on the side with a boy scarcely out of school.
Somebody mentioned Ronnie Wood – he was actually butchered by the tabloid press when he began his relationship. In fact the Daily Mail more or less claimed he was no better than a paedophile :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1184701/Look-away-youve-got-weak-stomach-Ronnie-Ekaterinas-public-display-affection.html
And this is not just a woman with far greater wealth than her lover, but someone with massive political power.
I don’t honestly think this boy is a victim, although I’m sure he’ll look back on it with a bit of shame when he has more self-esteem and fewer financial desperations. However, tens of thousands of men are being raped and beaten in prison cells right now for engaging in sexual relationships where the power differential is far, far less (thanks to western feminist laws designed to limit sexual competition to themselves).
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First, the IRA surrenders its balls.
Then, the Guiness factory burns.
(I actually don’t care about this one.)
Finally, this.
Ireland is finished.
Erin Go Diegh
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The same thing for Ronnie and Ekaterina …he is now divorced so “leave” them alone.
Although I must say he looks like a mummy.
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Those men might be demonized by feminists, but they are enjoying the life – the fruits of their labor allows them the power in essence to buy a piece of eye-candy.
I see nothing wrong with that, being that my wife and I are of the subset of power couples if she was to pass before me I would not look for another partnership but instead I’d grab myself a young hottie. I’ve had the privilege to married for love, mutual admiration and goals, I wouldn’t want to replace her. I would however use my money and status to buy something nice to have on the arm.
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Now Robinson‘s in trouble: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6980498.ece
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Lara writes:
She has been unfaithful to her husband, she has been a bad, untrust wife ..
Judging be her looks, it’s unlikely that her husband has had sex with her since approx. 1995. Can a wife really be ‘unfaithful’ to a husband who finds her so unattractive that he is no longer physically able to fork her?
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No details on line about Iris Robinson’s alleged ‘suicide attempt’.
So which female-style ‘attempt’ was it?
- took three valium tablets instead of the usual two?
- jumped out of the ground floor window onto the lawn?
- slit her small finger with a razor blade?
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@Carolus-
Female suicide jokes are the best! Keep up the funny! They can’t do anything right, can they?
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Kathy Farrelly opined…
Says I.
Girls typically enter puberty some two years earlier than boys and consistantly demonstate better social adaptation until the early twenties. Most men are not really adult men until they are well beyond twenty one. I represented my country in open sport at nineteen. I was a strong, athletic young man who presented outwardly as a very intelligent, confident and competent individual. However in hindsight I was not an adult until about twenty two(notably I entered puberty very, very early at nine so I had a huge head start over my male peers). In that international competition the thing that really disadvantaged me was that I genuinely was a boy competing against men. Physical aspects were the least of this difference. The same elements are present in my professional life.
I, too, question your capacity as a woman to judge what constitues adulthood in any male.
A constant argument in the service of girls is that teenage girls are more mature than their male peers. I’ve heard various forms of this position through my entire lifetime. A recent, common manifestation of this is it’s use to deny the validity of the “boy crisis” in western education systems. Contrarily, in any matters relating to sex, the opposite view prevails. The boy will always be deemed unquestioningly a willing, competent participant if not the instigator. Unless it’s absolutely impossible any girl or, indeed, any woman will be defended as a victim or, at the least, an entirely passive agent. Never an instigator. Never “at fault”. Even when a woman unquestionably sexually abuses a boy part of the “blame” accrues to the boy.
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Welmer, go back and read your essay again. You treat and portray this young Irishman exactly as if he were a young girl. At nineteen, most healthy guys would bop nearly anything, and not think a thing about it.
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Oh this is rich -
OT: 58-year-old wife of N.Ireland leader had affair with 19-year-old man, and — her husband is being urged to step down?
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/01/ot-58-year-old-wife-of-nireland-leader.html
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“Most men are not really adult men until they are well beyond twenty one”
I have seen no evidence to support this supposition, gwallan.
My own husband, at a mature nineteen left home at that age and obtained a job in another city some distance away. He rented a home, bought himself a car and taught himself to cook. He never moved back home. Some years later he established his now flourishing business.
He had a fairly tough upbringing, having been bought up on a farm with six siblings. He was expected to do his chores and help out. Money was tight. So when he eventually left home he was a responsible and mature young adult, who made his own way in the world.
My father married at twenty one, was a father himself at twenty two and started his own business (with a loan ) when he was twenty three…..He is still in THAT same succesful business .
Anyways, this is all anecdotal.
However, I do think upbringing has a huge impact on one’s maturity, be they male or female.
“Girls typically enter puberty some two years earlier than boys”
Agreed. But, both sexes are considered by law to be adult by the time they reach 18.
They are therefore for instance, free to pursue sexual relationships and also to marry if they wish. They can buy a house or car, or ( as in Ireland) have a drink at the pub.
“I, too, question your capacity as a woman to judge what constitues adulthood in any male. ”
Remember, it is ultimately the law, not I, that deems a 19 year old man or woman an adult.
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Schopenhauer, in his essay on women, noted that women mature more quickly than men. He said that a man is not fully matured intellectually until he is in his late twenties. I think he was onto something.
I have a private theory that women grow quickly mentally so that they are in a position to judge accurately a man’s intelligence, to help her with successful pair bonding. That is, the function of women’s intelligence is largely to allow them to accurately judge a man’s mental capacities. Whereas a man’s intelligence is more important to his actual functioning, and develops longer and more deeply.
I think this explains why girls do well in school, but tend to perform less well in the real adult world, and why boys tend to eventually do better than one would predict from their performance in high school. They simply take longer to develop, but eventually overtake women.
Most of the women I know are not very intellectually interesting. They have often had excellent educations, read all the right books, but they never do anything with it as adults. I actually think women become stupider in their late twenties. By then, they have often selected their man, and their own intelligence becomes less important.
I call this the Jerry and Elaine theory. In Seinfeld, Jerry is the truly clever man, whereas Elaine is not as smart, but is smart enough to get his jokes.
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I can say that there’s no way in the world I would have taken up with a 60 year old woman when I was 19. No matter how intense the libido, young men are also much more emotionally intense. A young man will be affected by all manner of things an older man has become numb to. I don’t think a single man reading this site would say he can’t recall being emotionally affected by his first encounters with women, and that the emotional intensity of those early years burns memories that last the rest of his life. While most men strive to not be emotion-junkies and to become more reason-oriented and steadfast as they age, it’s wrong to dismiss young men’s emotional states as something old women are free to abuse as they like because ‘young men will fuck anything’. Generally they won’t, but if under inducements they depart from natural inclinations, they are left with impressions that will probably disgust them for the rest of their lives. They may well come to see themselves as freaks – different to all the rest by experience and some inner demon. I’m not a fan of the rape rhetoric, but I see nothing in it that doesn’t apply to both sexes.
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@David
Girls mature earlier than boys… I love this, it’s so rich in fiction and nonsense.
The childhood of women extends into adulthood more so than it does for men. Boys and girls are taken care of by their parents, but girls grow into adulthood being taken care of by their provider (husband/government), while boys are required to quickly learn to stand on their own two feet. So while women may “mature” physically fairly quickly, their psychological development is more likely to remain stunted at the child’s level. What is commonly misinterpreted as “maturity” is nothing other than reserve and inhibition – the disinclination to reveal one’s hand. In this sense, someone in a coma behaves with more maturity than someone being pursued by a swarm of bees.
Besides, what do we mean by “maturity”? More specifically, maturity of character? The crafting of a mansion takes much more effort and input than the crafting of a tent. There is only so much you can develop in a tent, but the scope for development of a mansion is infinite, and will take a longer time. The gender that is permitted to remain locked in perpetual childhood has less to develop than the gender that is required to develop a career, compete with others, etc. The gender that has less to develop will reach their peak much more quickly than the gender that crafts a character where wisdom and courage are involved. The so-called “immaturity” of men can be attributed to the fact that they are required to show their hand more often, because competition and survival require it.
I suspect that the only reason that girls do better than boys in school is that school (and university) curricula have been dumbed down to accommodate the feminist agenda, consistent with the spirit of affirmative action. Courses have been made more “facilitative” and “co-operative” and relieved of all that nasty competition that inspires boys. But I’m not employed in education, so don’t accept this hunch of mine as gospel.
I don’t think that men realize how child-like women really are. They attribute all this strategy and cleverness to women oblivious to the reality that most every woman has within her (whether or not she acknowledges it) a hokey mom just yearning to be realized. They are impulsive, like children are. They allow fear to dominate their choices. For all their sophistication, slutiness and sanctimony, they are really not all that different to our moms (god bless them).
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I think, codebuster, that you might find that Schopenhauer is actually saying most of what you just said. He is arguing, and I tend to agree, that women mature faster but reach a lower intellectual level than men.
It’s a paradox.
Feminists are endlessly disappointed that women never seem to achieve what they seem to promise as girls and young women. But there is a reason for this, and I suspect it is rooted ultimately in evolutionary psychology.
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By the way, codebuster, have you read Schopenhauer’s Essay on Women?
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It’s a good essay. Read it. It is codebusters post put more eloquently.
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@David, Migu
No, I haven’t read Schopenhauer until now. Interesting parallels across the generations, suggesting the timelessness of some basic truths. A couple of observations:
Schopenhauer formulated his views long before anything like contemporary feminism so soiled contemporary society;
My perspectives are based in principles that are antithetical to mainstream biology/psychology. So too, it would seem, are the thoughts of Schopenhauer. The situation is ripe for the development of a radically different paradigm;
Now that we’ve experienced feminism, we can put our theories into a more robust form that will withstand any test, any onslaught, that might be thrown at it at any time in the future.
While I haven’t read Schopenhauer before, Otto Weininger is another worth reading… so too are Anais Nin, Friedrich Nietzsche and others from that era.
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I don’t usualy get involved in discussions regarding male and female intellectual abilities. However these have been mentioned above and so I will say something that has been on my mind.
I honestly don’t think Obama ,Bush or any other big leader you can think of are where they are because of their astonishing intelligence. In fact power and intelligence seem to me to be hardly related. If men have been the rulers throughout history I don’t think this was because these men where the most intelligent. May be they where the most egotistical and may be the most eloquent but this is not really intelligence as I understand it. I don’t think success and intelligence are in anyway the same thing though those who are successful like to make out they are.
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While we’re on the topic of developing insights into female psychology, I think that our gamer theorists can help immensely. While I respect the hell out of how David DeAngelo has developed his methods from first principles, I cannot help but think… with women this stupid, why would anyone bother?
For example, just recently, he observes:
He’s right, of course. Think about what this says about how superficial women are. Women really are slaves to their “first impressions”. David DeAngelo’s “cocky and funny” routine does work, but I’ve never associated “cocky and funny” with formidable manhood. I’ve always associated such conduct with manhood lite – lads and chavs and an assortment of knuckleheads that are more prone to biffing it out on football fields. A man with much more to offer need make but one faux pas, and a woman’s sensitivity to first impressions will consign him to the dustbin of has-beens.
It’s incredible when you think about it. This calls for a radical revision of how we value women, within the context of morality versus slut-hood. How has this come to pass, that men are allowing sluts to pass judgement on them? Moral women (insofar as there are any left) do not make such superficial, arbitrary judgements. Only sluts do. Moral women (in some other time, some other place in the universe) know that men are only human, and will require more evidence before passing sentence on the basis of a single faux pas. Before my enlightenment, I never understood why sluts were despised so much throughout history. Now, thanks to feminism, my conversion is complete. We need to free the word “slut”.
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codebuster: “We need to free the word ‘slut’”.
David: We need to call women who deserve it, sluts. And we need to call men who marry sluts, fools.
The way it used to be.
I have said it before, and I’ll say it again. I cannot fathom why a man would be happy marrying a woman who had been fucked by other men. That is just volunteering to be a cuckold.
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Schopenhauer says that women maturate faster than boys, which they do – in order that they are better able to care for children. Evolutionary wise, it is not smart to have women able to physically to have babies at 14 years old if they are not mentally mature enough to actually care for the baby… so… they maturate pretty much from a point of view that they are able to care for small children without killing them.
However, Schopenhauer, and most of his contemporaries, also say that a woman’s maturity is more child-like in the first place. They are designed to care for children. Hips, boobs, and mentality, are all designed for children. This is why, according to Schopenhauer, that a woman can find immense joy in cooing and awing at children and playing senseless mindless games with them and find complete satisfaction with themselves.
Schopenhauer says that women reach the peak of their maturity at the age of 18… and that men do not catch up to them until the age of eight and twenty.
However, he also says that nothing worthwhile is created quickly, and that men continue to maturate beyond that point into something that only becomes more spectacular.
A man can mature until old age, whereas a woman pretty stays at her original “ripeness.” A 20yr old woman and a 45yr old woman don’t really behave all that much differently… compare this to men. Lol! Hokey Momma, do 20 year old men behave differently than 45 year old men. And, a man can keep maturing until he dies.
Remember, even the mighty oak, was once a nut like you!
All through nature, things that mature fast are the lesser.
Think of a rain forest, where trees grow very fast, but the annual rings are large, soft and pulpy, and often rot… compared to a northern tree that grows with a much slower rate, with tight rings, and the wood is of the highest quality.
Or, think of that “box” of wine that your wife likes to drink… pouring it out of a rubber hose. It took no time at all to ferment that crap.
Then think of a bottle of single malt scotch… aged for a dozen years in an oak cask… Mmmmmm… that is the glory of man.
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Hey fedrz! I may act like a child from time to time but ..my taste in wine has definitey matured.. Probably haven’t had a glass of “chateau cardboard” (wine cask) since my early twenties. TERRIBLE STUFF, THAT!
Now.. give me a glass of Wirra Wirra Church Block 2006… cab sav , syra, merlot (Aussie of course!) accompanied by a juicy sirloin steak and I am in 7th heaven.
I may be childish but I ain’t stoopid….. much!
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Chateau Cardboard, LOL!
I’m gonna keep that one!
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