An Everett Washington man met 19-year-old Ashley Dawson through MySpace, inviting her over to his place for what he hoped would be a night of passion. Instead, Andrew Scarbrough found himself stark naked and soaking wet as his Ford Mustang disappeared into the night along with his mobile phone, wallet, and laptop. Dawson had told him to get warmed up in the shower and wait for a “surprise” — in his excitement, Scarbrough apparently shed his common sense along with his pants.
Scarbrough says he would have chased her down, clothed or not, if he’d had a chance. It’s probably a good thing he didn’t, because we all know the likely result of a naked man chasing a young woman — even a thief — down a street at night.
As for Dawson, she showed up in court with a smirk on her face, probably because she got off easy on her last burglary two years ago. Dawson was arrested after stealing the car a second time — she was so bold that she went after the car again, at its owner’s workplace this time, even after police had located it and towed it back to Scarbrough.
It appears that Dawson lives in Lynnwood, Washington, and this is her MySpace account.
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Fatty.
Someone was going to say it. Might as well get it out of the way.
Happy New Years!
Fat, MySpace user, typical camwhore. Seen too many of them. Sluts, every single one of them. Sluts that get ego boost that they normaly do not deserve because they are ugly by the science of the Internet, quirky photo angles and PhotoShop.
Sluts that get the feeling that the world orbits around them because some guys use them as a masturbation material. No wonder she is a thief.
In other news, Happy New Year, let 2010 be a year of personal improvement.
I wish feminist society would stop telling girls that they’re beautiful even if they’re fat slobs. If men would stop fucking fatties it would help, too. Nearly every woman out there thinks she’s “all that” because men will fuck basically anything.
Male 8′s fuck female 2′s…….big problem!
If that girl lost a bit of weight she would be “cute,” but the biggest problem here as I see it is that she’s a lying little thief who apparently thinks she can use her sexuality to defraud men. In short, she’s typical for an American woman, except she’s a lot dumber than most, who not only make off with far more than her, but are congratulated by the courts for robbing the men they married.
Another local MySpace thief — http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=263890&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
In somewhat semi-related news:
http://deceiver.com/2009/12/24/domestic-violence-crusader-mary-j-blige-slugs-husband/
Well, she says she’s an aspiring artist. She is at least creative:
Good one. Hypocrisy value very high. I’ll have to post it.
Whoooah! Not saying what she did is good, but what about the guy? Can’t we at least expect that a guy would think with the big head and not the little one once in a while? What an idiot!
I tell the stupid little girls who cry to me that men lie to them and use them to go back to that quint old-fashioned concept of “getting to know you and your family” first before making their minds up about someone’s character and jumping into bed with them. It generally takes about a year to start getting to know someone a little bit, but about 3 years to really get to know them. And I am talking 3 years of being friends, not 3 years of artificial “dating” where each person bullshits the other as much as possible in an attempt to look better than they really are. Modern dating is nothing more than a big sell job of an often inferior product :0)
Meanwhile if you are patient and you really get to know someone – you’re sifting the wheat from the chaff.
But we live in an instant society. Fast food, Fast sex.
Once we begin to realise that really getting to know someone takes a bit of an investment of time and patience, girls like one this will be out of a job.
And many divorce lawyers will be out of a job too.
Stop beating on her…you brutes….Ssssshhhheeee a GIRRRRLLLL….!!!!!! WEAK, SHY ANGLE OF A CREATURE….PLUS…You men already know …somewhere, up in Patriarchy Tower, up on Patriarchy Hill ” You and your type systematically made her do it ! Poor little babe, my heart go out to her….lol …You already know its his fault. Ask any judge, ” Penisized = Penalized “… but the courts will really make her suffer this time …you just wait and see ! . Bet she’ll suffer the sentencing of having her precisious little nails done…twice !…No more wrist slapping allowed ! That would be domestic violence against women…couldn’t have that !
Whoooah! Not saying what she did is good, but what about the guy? Can’t we at least expect that a guy would think with the big head and not the little one once in a while? What an idiot!
Nice victim blaming, sugar.
Not that I applaud the man for trying to get sex via the internet from a fat girl…but, really, don’t bring that shit in here.
Yeah, I liked the rest of your post (and a bit), Sugar, but I had to roll my eyes at blaming the man. What, exactly, did he do wrong? No one deserves that for seeking casual sex, regardless of what our opinions might be on the pros and cons of casual sex.
Shame on him for trying to prey on this innocent, chaste, princess. I guess she turned the tables on him, right guys? Let’s put him in jail just for the fuck of it, and award her a small stipend.
The usual kneejerk reaction from women every single fucking time another woman is involved!!!
Yes, Sugar, of course it´s the victims fault!!
Sarcasm may occur in the above.
LMAO, geez guys talk about knee-jerk reactions.
I am saying they are both idiots. GOT THAT?
If a woman jumped into bed with some jerk she met online and he robs her I’d feel the same way about her. If he bashed her up and left her half-dead I’d still say she was an idiot and partly to blame for the results of her ill-conceived actions. It’s about taking responsibility for the decisions you make that lead you to the results you got.
Isn’t that what you whine about with women all the time? That we don’t take responsibility for our actions? That we yell “victim” everytime we get hurt when we act stupid? In my book NO-ONE gets to act stupid and then play the blame game. Don’t think with your dick and then cry when you get taken for a ride. Same advice I give to women.
PS: that is not to say that I believe anyone should hurt anyone for being stupid, but when my sister hit her husband I supported him in court. What’s good for the gander is good for the goose & vise versa.
Sugar -
Keep in mind you prefaced your criticisms about the current state of women/dating…with a victim-blame of the male…on a male-issue oriented website….on an article where the victim was a male.
I wonder how feministing.com would feel if I went over there, started off by saying “women are fickle, irrational, emotionally led creatures that shouldn’t be allowed to vote” BUT then followed up with the thought that “men should be held accountable for their actions too.” Wouldn’t go over so well, despite my not-so-obvious equality standpoint.
Make sense?
That all said – poor guy probably wont’ get too much sympathy, much like Mary J Blige’s husband. Appreciate your sentiment in equality/fairness/responsibility, though.
I´m guessing you´d be verbally burned at the stake for heresy, before you got to the follow-up, Mr.M…
Sugar: Are you suggesting a Western woman make a man wait 3 years? Wait 3 years!!!!!! Then what? Sparks, marriage…..ass rape in court? No thanks!
3 dates maybe..if she’s lucky………and pays!
Well you’re quite out of the ordinary Sugar.
I’ve read quite a few stories of women meeting up with guys on the internet and getting fleeced. Haven’t yet heard anyone say ‘What an Idiot!’ or ‘Couldn’t she have thought with her head rather than her clitoris?’ Just doesn’t happen. About the nearest it gets is her own confession ‘I won’t be so trusting in future’ or ‘my heart overruled my head’.
It amounts to the same message, but the language belies different attitudes.Derision for male victims, and dignity for female ones.
This story reminds me of the “Seinfeld” episode where George is seduced by a good-looking woman on the subway. He tells her he’s rich and she invites him to a hotel room where she ties handcuffs him and finds his wallet. “Eight dollars? I wasted my day for eight dollars?” was her response when she found out George was poor. She stole his clothes and left him tied up.
The guy in this story – as well as George – is a moron.
A lot of noise for a little thing. He is a jerk and she is a whore. Simple enough. No big deal.
Why wouldn’t they settle their dispute between themselves? Why should the police be involved?
Years ago, my father was a victim of theft. He identified the thief and reported him to the police who did nothing.
So, he hired a professional pair of arms attached to a baseball bat. ($300). He got his money’s worth and that settled the problem in no time flat, to everyone’s (but one) satisfaction.
Nobody will fix your problems for you: do your own justice: it’s nobody else’s business. I call that “personal leadership”.
It’s like home cooking: always better when you do it yourself.
And the justice is more accurate.
Check out yet another misandrist wack-job :
http://eqwithdenise.wordpress.com/just-for-puas/
“No woman wants a man who uses game”
LOL.
At least she did not marry him, have a kid and rape him for alimony and child support.
Lol! Rebel,
Hilarious!
And I agree.
I dispensed some personal justice just the other day… benefited me quite handsomely. But the other person? No, not so much.
Don’t fuck with me.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Don’t let people chump you. Once you do, they will always chump you.
Fear me.
Mr M,
“Keep in mind you prefaced your criticisms about the current state of women/dating…with a victim-blame of the male…on a male-issue oriented website….on an article where the victim was a male…..women are fickle, irrational, emotionally led creatures that shouldn’t be allowed to voteâ€
Firstly I never said the guy was irrational or shouldn’t be allowed to vote. If I did that I’d pretty much be doing it only to stir you up and would probably deserve to be flamed to hell here or on a feminist website. Secondly I don’t think his “emotions” were leading him anywhere, I pretty much figure he was being led around by his little head. Not one of you can tell me that there is anything rational about putting yourself in such a position with a complete stranger. Maybe he just trusts people too much, poor bastard, but I, personally, wouldn’t invite a complete stranger into my house for sex and then leave them with my wallet and car keys while I went and got naked.
Thirdly I didn’t comment on the girl and what she did because I’m flabbergasted that most of you thought it was worse because the girl wasn’t skinny or good looking. I think she’s a manipulative disgrace to humanity, you just can’t believe the guy let an ugly woman get the better of him…would it have been OK if she was hot? Truly I was a bit stunned. I expected rational comments on how this happened and how guys can protect themselves against this kind of thing, not snide remarks about her looks.
Personally I don’t see how stereotyping women as you do gets anyone anywhere in this debate. I thought the idea was for everyone to get a fair deal and be rational about it. If you are going to go and get all emotional and irrational on me about everything that happens to every guy out there then you’re no different from the feminists. Just because these idiots share the same XY chromosome-type as you doesn’t naturally make them right or better. I had to learn that about my gender; maybe you should accept that the same is true of yours?
WOW – you should try having a human to human relationship with someone of the opposite gender sometimes, it can be an enlightening experience.
Piercedhead – you are right, everyone deserved dignity. Somewhere along the way it became funny to portray men as something at the bottom of the food chain, even men laugh at men acting stupid, incompetent and immature. Think Bart Simpson and Homer….do you let your sons watch that anti-male crap? Do you laugh at how Bart is a school drop-out, Homer is a sad sack with no brains and Marge and Lisa are the brainiacs? Ha ha ha, very funny hey? I didn’t call this guy an idiot because he was a guy, I called him an idiot because he was one and if he was a woman he’d still be an idiot for putting himself in a vulnerable position with a complete stranger.
Sugar sounds a lot like Lady Raines.
Let’s not feed the attention whore.
…I’m just sayin’…
Yep, she is a fat ass thief. But she has a vagina, which was all it took for this pathetic schmuck to turn his back on her with everything he had there for the taking.
Is it any wonder why feminism took forty years to even begin to be challenged?
For sure feminists and the like minded will see this woman as a sort of hero. Women stealing from men is not a crime in their thinking but an act of empowerment.
So your whole point is about how much better you are than the victim in this case? Empathetic gender, my ass.
No, the idea is to reverse female privilege. To this end, actually, letting women know that they are not beautiful, special, unique snowflakes is just one of many tools in our arsenal. Women have been saying “big is beautiful!!” and actually believing it; we’re here to correct that misconception. “No it isn’t. It’s disgusting. Cover up, for God’s sake.”
Since women get more than a ‘fair deal’ in every area of life, I don’t think that’s really an issue here. Though I suspect that by ‘fair deal’ what you actually mean is ‘protection from hurt feelings’.
Well, sorry miss, but there’s going to be more and more hurt feelings as time goes on.
And really, how arrogant of you to come to a Men’s Movement site and try to tell men how we should carry out our own movement. Who do you think you are?
Such shaming tactics. You just confirmed to everyone here that you are a troll. What next? He can’t get laid? Small penis? Gay? Take that shit to feministing where misandry is appreciated.
@ Snark
It wasn’t shaming tactics, just a general comment. Imagine I’m a guy and reread it – bet you don’t find it so upsetting the second time around.
As for being the empathetic gender..HUH? Are you buying that feminist bullshit? Next thing I’ll be hearing you say we are the weaker sex. Where have you been the last century or so? I simply have just as little patience for the next idiot as any man or woman going.
“Well, sorry miss, but there’s going to be more and more hurt feelings as time goes on….And really, how arrogant of you to come to a Men’s Movement site and try to tell men how we should carry out our own movement. Who do you think you are?”
Look Snark you can’t hurt my feelings. I am a well-loved woman without any hang-ups. Hard to hurt that. The reason I am on here is because;
a.) I am an ex-feminist and I have realised how dangerous the feminist movement is to both men and women.
b.) I have four sons and feminism is causing them and the women they care for a lot of grief and I would like to support any reasonable movement that aims to shake that lot up and stop the madness.
So I am not telling you how to do anything, I am just sharing my point of view. Like I said before….you can sit on your dung heap and spew poison over everyone or you can crawl from your hole and try to make a difference. I intend to make a difference.
I am re-educating all of the young woman and men in my sphere of influence about the negative impact the feminist movement has had on them. I’m also a psychologist who specialises in marriage and relationship counselling and I am spreading the anti-feminism message there as best I can too. It seems once you stop believing you can have it all and that you’re super-special a lot of people get more joy out of their relationships.
Fair enough, Sugar.
But people here aren’t going to look kindly on people who say ‘try having an actual relationship with a woman’ or ‘seek professional help’, etc. Because those are shaming tactics used by actual trolls. You probably don’t want to associate yourself with that if you are sincere.
Wow, what a dumb b*tch. No, not dumb, but crazy. No attempt to hide her identity. Apparently doesn’t care, either.
Welmar, when you said “probably because she got off easy on her last burglary two years ago” and “Dawson was arrested after stealing the car a second time,” was this car the Mustang, and she’s stalking the current victim, or is the Mustang her third GTA? Does Washington state care about repeat offenders?
Sorry, but I have to blame the guy on this one. Control your sexual urges, or they will control you.
Fair enough Snark, I am not a troll.
Paul Elam, Sugar, djc wrap up my thoughts on the matter. What a loser, letting this trollop bag him.
In a previous thread/topic, a couple of men (I can’t remember who) commented that they had positive experiences with European (mainland) and Asian women. This concurs with my own experiences, and it concurs with my view that European feminists are not as toxic as the Anglos are. This begs the question… why do European/Asian women seem to be less hateful of men? Is there something about Anglo-morphs that is more unsavoury than Euro-morphs? The loser and the trollop in this article seem to suggest that there is, because it points to a particular attitude between men and women that is self-generating. What is it about the Anglosphere?
We know that Sweden and Spain are perhaps among the most feminist-dominated cultures, yet their women don’t hate men like Anglos do. Here’s one clue… the frat-boy/lad cultures that dominate the Anglosphere are quite alien on the Continent. Here’s a guess… Sweden and Spain… and other European cultures like Germany, Austria, Czech republic, France, etc, have all partaken of the feminist experiment, but because their inter-gender hatred does not have the same sort of reach that the Anglo-feminism has enjoyed, it won’t sustain itself. It’s almost like it’s a passing fad. It will peter out once they’ve realized the horror of what they’ve done and how they’ve been conned by the fashion of westernism. In fact where Anglos seem to be digging their heels in, it seems that in Sweden, where they once actually entertained introducing laws requiring men to sit to pee(?), we hear reports that they are increasingly allowing reason to enter into debates. So there seems to be a major divide between the feminism of the Anglosphere (Canada, Australia, United States, England, New Zealand) and that of the non-Anglos.
So what is it about the dynamic between the loser and the trollop of the article, as an example of something about the Anglosphere, that sets it apart from gender dynamics on the mainland (Europe)/Asia/Anywhere else in the universe? This is an important question, and we have to take it seriously, instead of leaping to this loser’s defence because he was helpless schmuck ruled by his dick. Men do NOT have “needs†that need to be met, any more than women do, and so long as we keep clinging to this peculiarly Anglo myth, we will continue to have chivalry, feminism, female-idolatry-worship and cultural decline.
The following caught my attention – I wonder if this site might be onto something:
http://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/
The loser guy may be a loser, but he was still conned. Should we look at every victim of a con as someone so stupid that they deserved it? The fact that she had pussy power just makes the con easier. I have to disagree with you on one thing Codebuster. Men do have needs. Just because men have the willpower to repress them, does not deny them. Men also go on starvation protests. Doesn’t mean we don’t need food. Sex is a biological directive. It is powerful. It is a weapon used against men. Many male outliers are probably not that horny, but imagine the ones on the other end of the bell curve. Sex would be like a drug, a drug you can never detox from.
@Sugar-
We are not trying to be recognized as moderate, calm, or even always rational. First, we are just trying to be recognized. Something with out a name has no power. Our name, “MRA”, must be heard, spoken, and discussed to even begin to have power. As you should know, our cause is just now, after decades, much longer actually, of work trying to be recognized, is just now being noticed by a tiny fraction of the population. Our voices were not heard, our ideas were not considered, because people did not, and do not care about men’s feelings, except for one:
Anger.
People fear and despise the very same emotion that paradoxically often drives justice, because that rightous rage will seek anyone out who takes unfair advantage of others, and that might mean them. It is men, nice, intelligent, self sacrificing men, who have been taken advantage of the most unfairly of all. Now we are pissed. And until we are invited to the table for a rational, honest, fair debate, until we have Men’s Studies programs, and Departments of Men’s Health that rival that of women’s, we don’t have the luxury of polite discourse and calm idle chit chat. This war was started on us. We aren’t going to play nice. Some men will eventually, but we are not the peace makers here, we are not the negotiaters, we are not the diplomatic entourage hear to discuss terms, we are the spearhead, the tip of a coming army, a pissed off army of men who have had enough. If you know history, you should know what that means. Sorry. A nice soldier, a thoughtful soldier, is not the type of soldier you need when storming the beaches of mass consciousness. To deny us our rage, is only to stoke it. It is the same as denying us our voice as feminist like to say. We will not be muffled. Not yet. Not soon. Not for a long time. When the other side makes concessions first, when they recognize our grievences, then we will consider playing nice. Until then, it will most likely get even uglier.
Jabberwocky from home
I understand this tactic. Many times in the past those who have felt they had nothing to lose employed it. However I would like to point you towards a great and powerful man named Ghandi who defied an empire and led massive change in the world without ever resorting to violence. Here are some of the gems he gave us;
To deprive a man of his natural liberty and to deny to him the ordinary amenities of life is worse than starving the body; it is starvation of the soul, the dweller in the body.
A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble.
Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress.
and finally…
I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
I am not suggesting negotiation in the least. Nor compromise. The fact that men need to fight for basic human dignity, freedom from being pre-judged and the right to be who they are is beyond belief! These are basic fundamentals. Basic human rights.
Another Ghandi gem:
All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is surrender. For it is all give and no take.
What I am suggesting is being rational and clear about what you want. Feminists know how to dismiss men who conform to their stereotypes. They don’t know quite what to do with articulate, rational men who confront them with their own hypocrisy and who demand the same “rights” clearly and consistently. If they can frustrate you to the point of incoherent rage they will use that against you to prove their point.
Remember that they operate from the premise that they are intellectually superior and occupy the moral high ground. Rip that mat out right from under them!
Sugar December 31, 2009 at 17:19
“I am saying they are both idiots. GOT THAT? ”
Typical stupid fucking woman. The man was an idiot, yes. But being stupid is not a crime or ALL women would be in jail.
The woman, on the other hand, committed a crime. It’s called ‘theft’. The idea of depriving a human being of his property thereby violating his property rights. The trouble with stupid women like you sugar is that you can’t tell the difference between simply being stupid and committing a crime.
And gents, you want to remember that sugar is ‘normal’ now for a woman in the west. Women like sugar excuse crimes when committed by women and blame the victim when it is a man. And all you have to think about is whether you want to associate with disgusting and disgraceful women like sugar.
Sugar -
Firstly I never said the guy was irrational or shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Obviously the example I drew about posting on a feminist website didn’t have the same “story” (albeit reversed roles) as this article; I was using a different context to explain a point. How did that escape you?
Secondly I don’t think his “emotions†were leading him anywhere, I pretty much figure he was being led around by his little head.
See above.
Thirdly I didn’t comment on the girl and what she did because I’m flabbergasted that most of you thought it was worse because the girl wasn’t skinny or good looking.
You’re pretty much making shit up at this point – I spoke at no length about the girl except that she’s fat. In fact all I did was say you were victim blaming – which, you were, in prelude to your other points.
would it have been OK if she was hot?
If she were hot she probably would have gotten an even BETTER sentencing discount.
I expected rational comments on how this happened and how guys can protect themselves against this kind of thing, not snide remarks about her looks.
Lol – I didn’t come to spearhead to find a guidebook on how to avoid internet sex scams. Did you?
If you are going to go and get all emotional and irrational on me about everything that happens to every guy out there then you’re no different from the feminists.
Lol.
WOW – you should try having a human to human relationship with someone of the opposite gender sometimes, it can be an enlightening experience.
Who’s being emotional/irrational now? Miss shaming language.
The discussion of this crime reminds me of how Feminists cry “blaming the victim!” whenever anyone points out how a woman’s own stupid choices contributed to a crime against her.
Fortunately MRAs are capable of intelligent, nuanced understanding, rather than the hysteria that the Feminists bring to the table.
I have heard nobody deny that he was foolish. That’s mitigated by the fact that he was horny, maybe desperately so, and the fact that the media and society present a misleading innocent image of women. But still foolish.
This does not prevent us from recognizing that a crime was committed against him, and that the woman is a criminal. Not another idiot. A criminal.
Feminists just can never seem to hold those two thoughts in their heads at the same time. But we can.
Sugar,
You’re probably unaware of the offense you cause by the manner in which you use language – that’s hardly surprising in that you’re not speaking in a way that would be considered offensive by most people. But we are not most people. Our ears are well attuned to the language that underpins the hypocrisy of modern attitudes, and it screams at us when we hear it.
It’s interesting that you should say one of the reasons you are no longer a feminist is because you have 4 sons. It is legion amongst those of us who pursue men’s rights that nearly all women who speak of sympathy with us do so because the men in their life are being hurt by the sub-status of men in the eyes of the law. They are most often 2nd wives or mothers of sons who have been persecuted by bad law. It is worthwhile trying to understand why this is so.
In my experience, women have very little regard for law – they don’t think of it as an essential part of a coherent and sustainable society. Women don’t advocate for more laws to control women, but they have no difficulty in supporting more laws to regulate men. Whereas most thinking men would see that application of such a bias would eventually lead to the subjugation of men, which could easily lead to violent revolt, I’ve never heard a single woman consider that possibility. Clearly men and women think very differently.
Since women generally see law as something useful to them, rather than something that they agree to be bound to, it begs the question to what, if anything, do women feel any responsibility? I suspect you’ll agree with me that women feel responsible for those with whom they have good relationships. Husbands, sons, lovers – they are always a woman’s first allegiance. A woman will lie in court to protect family, and retain a clear conscience. Indeed, many women would consider it their duty to lie to protect their own. Some women will even falsely accuse a stranger of rape to protect a family member or a lover – and let them go to prison for it. What is ‘right’ is less important than the welfare of an ally.
To put it bluntly, women see the world in terms of allies and enemies – the former get loyalty, the latter are disposable. A woman without husband or sons and a poor or non-existent relationship with a father will align herself with other women. Her allies will be all female. She will be a feminist, even if she has never heard the word. As soon as she forms a positive relationship with a man, former alliances will end and a new one will take its place. Should her relationship with the man break down, her loyalty will shift elsewhere and all history with her former lover will be forgotten. Affection lives only in the here and now, to people with whom she has a strong alliance (‘relationship’).
This is probably why you were a feminist, and why you claim now not to be now that you have sons. Once your sons reach maturity, you will lose all interest in men’s rights and re-align your efforts with whoever is current in your life. Many women find their feminist tendencies re-ignite and become even more intense when their families grow up, if they are divorced or widowed. I don’t say this to be rude or to aggravate you. It is just how I see things. I suspect others have also arrived at the same conclusion, and many before me. I also think that this is why political leaders always play to women – if a woman’s allegiance can be won, it will be at the cost of her loyalty to her existing allies. When she sides with the state, she deserts her husband. It is no coincidence that women are divorcing men in droves at the same time that the state is making greater and greater overtures to women. And men without families are men without allies. They are easy to control and rule over.
Before you get involved in men’s rights, you should first ask yourself how likely you are you to feel any loyalty to it. What do you personally stand to gain (not your sons)? If you can come up with a strong answer to that, then it would be worth your while to persist. But if you are only doing it for your sons, you would be wisest to quit now and let them look after their own interests once they are able.
@Jabberwocky:
Why do you say this, Jabberwocky? Do you think that women don’t have a sex drive? Or that they have a weaker drive that is more amenable to control? There is a theory about the female sex drive that I have developed in the course of researching my writings. I was going to post a more complete response here, but because it’s turned out to be rather lengthy, why don’t I refine it and maybe make it into a feature post for Spearhead? Let me leave you with something to think about… the most primal manifestation of the female sex drive, when it is realized, is actually stronger than the male sex drive. The key lies in Woman’s discovery of the thrill of the forbidden. Beyond the bounds of the forbidden, dangers lurk in the shadows, and it is principally fear that keeps most women functioning in the bright sunlight of safe, predictable lives in denial of their most primal natures. Refer to Spearhead’s previous topics about rape fantasies, to see where this theme has the potential to take us. And once we realize what I’m getting at, there is no reason why men, in control of their own urges, cannot also control the supply of sex.
@Codebuster-
From personal experience, observation, and understanding, men’s sex drive is stronger and more consistent, less directed, and is an urge more isolated emotionally, linked strongest to visual stimulus (something young men cannont ecsape in our modern culture need I remind you). It is as if young hormonally driven men exist in a constant soup or static of sexual signals, innuendo, and titilation. In that sense, it affects young men more. (For a personal example, I remember practically staring at a girls legs for an entire biology class. She was wearing a short skirt.)
Womens sexuality is tied more directly to their emotional needs and desires, to a fantasy of hypergamey, for a need to be desired and irresistable. To them sex is interlinked to something that is far more important to them, the fantasy of love and romance, and so when that fantasy seems real or close, the sexual drive probably does become stronger than a man’s, but it is not something they live with daily, or constantly have to deal with.
A women in love is on a powerful mission to have sex with a singular romantic focus. If that desire is not met, the women becomes heartbroken, or as we’ve all seen, uses her complex emotional ego defense mechanisms to justify the man as being unworthy anyways.
A man who is horny is on a mission to relieve a pent up, indescribable urge to spread his seed. Even if he succeeds, that urge simply manifests itself again within a matter of days, and if it fails, he if filled with a sense of failure, confusion, doubt, and anger.
Women are sometimes super horny.
Men are often times very horny. (and when you factor in outliers, some men are always super horny)
I’d rather fast for a few days once a month, than only eat a few hundred calories a day (masturbation) and be hungry all the time.
I’d like to see some scientific data and such on this, but I know I’ve heard that men think about sex significantly more often than women, want sex more often than women in marraiges, and more often want sex with a variety of women. I think men’s superior ability to control and deny themselves, of various wants and needs, creates the perception that women need sex as much as men, when in reality they just cannot control themselves like a man, despite a less prevalent and weaker urge for intercourse (Sorry Sugar, I meant to say fucking like two adolescent shaved monkeys slathered in KY and dosed up on XTC and Viagra. MMMmmm, mental images).
You hit the nail on the head. Even if women’s sex drive is much higher than men’s, women are not constantly bombarded by imagery intended to put them into a state of arousal.
http://remasculation.blogspot.com/2009/12/oversaturation-of-female-flesh.html
That’s a good point Snark.
Lynnwood is pretty white-trashy. I’ve lived in that area most of my life. It always makes me proud.
This story is a terrific example of the sick society we unfortunately inabit in AmeriKwa today … where a fat, homely warpig can attract a man’s attention, just based on the promise, either real or IMPLIED, of sex and female attention.
Actually, this is all the more reason why promiscuity destroys society — men, in their desperation to have ‘cheap’ and ‘easy’ sex, will chase and supplicate to virtually ANY slob of a female that offers.
Guys, for the love of all that is good, HAVE SOME FUCKING STANDARDS when it comes to women, no matter how ‘desperate’ you may be for ‘nookie’.
And as we see with this poor schmuck of a guy, it wasn’t at all ‘cheap’ or ‘easy’ in any way!
Not only did he even ‘get any’, rather, his experience was rather quite ‘expensive’, wouldn’t you say …?
“You hit the nail on the head. Even if women’s sex drive is much higher than men’s, women are not constantly bombarded by imagery intended to put them into a state of arousal.”
Snark,
Truer words my friend, truer words indeed.
*You guys may like this one as well -
“Female Sexuality, Ambient Porn, and the Pink Wurlitzer ”
http://biblicalmanhood.blogspot.com/2010/01/female-sexuality-ambient-porn-and-pink.html
Don’t forget, she doesn’t owe him sex, and she should have been allowed to back out at any time. The fact that she had to steal his car and clothes and money is just a sign of how desperate and threatened she felt.
By sympathizing with this man, you’re condoning rape.
Did I get all the fembot arguments right?
@ piercedhead
“Our ears are well attuned to the language that underpins the hypocrisy of modern attitudes, and it screams at us when we hear it.”
Firstly, don’t get so stuck on semantics. I am a woman who grew up in a feminist home (only sisters) in a world dominated by a feminist culture. If I don’t speak “man” quite the way you like it please bear my history in mind and build a bridge. There are very few women or men today who would be able to say a single sentence without using “culturally popular” words and terms that would offend you.
“Once your sons reach maturity, you will lose all interest in men’s rights and re-align your efforts with whoever is current in your life. …..”
Actually my sons have come of age. They live their lives and are outspoken, independent-thinking adults who know who they are as men. I am still as committed to supporting anyone who is willing to reverse the tide against men as ever because I do not want to see my sons impacted by unfair laws and assumptions. You are partially right there, but it has nothing to do with alliances and everything to do with realising that the situation cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be imagined to be anything other than viciously anti-male. Like many women who grew up in a female dominated world I never realised what was going on until I grew up myself and saw the effect this had on men of my acquaintance. Where else was I going to see it?
To claim I am only endorsing it because of my sons and husband is the same as me claiming you’re only against feminism because you had a bad experience with a woman. I’m not and neither are you. We’re against it because it is fundamentally wrong.
I had other ideas about some things too as a child, and these were changed as I saw the realities of my world. I think that’s how people see the light. How else did you expect it to happen? Magic?
“Before you get involved in men’s rights, you should first ask yourself how likely you are you to feel any loyalty to it. What do you personally stand to gain (not your sons)? If you can come up with a strong answer to that, then it would be worth your while to persist. But if you are only doing it for your sons, you would be wisest to quit now and let them look after their own interests once they are able.”
My sons are quite able to take care of themselves and are as opposed to feminism as their father and I are. Like us their methods are of the one-on-one personal influence variety.
Personally I am supportive of the men’s movement because I don’t believe the feminist movement did men OR women any favours. I’m not just on here simply because I want men to be treated like human beings, I am on here because the way things are now is WRONG. I wrote my bit about it elsewhere so I won’t repeat myself, but let’s just say that I believe feminism is a movement that makes Stalin and Hitler look like sissies. Those guys could have learnt a few things about ruthlessness and propaganda from the feminists.
I also can’t stand the feminists because I hate liars and schemers with a vengeance. I hate being lied to even more. Imagine spending 20 years of your life believing something and then realising it was all a brutal lie? If I could purge myself, my language and my world of every bit of feminist crap right now I would, but the reality is that I can’t. So I do my best to undermine them and educate the new generation about their lies and nonsense and the tools they use. For example we regularly hear about how most serial killers are men (90%) and so on and so forth. But considering that serial killers make up less than 7% of the total world population, what’s the benefit in touting the 90% of serial killers are men figures? At anytime we have between 35 and 200 serial killer in America, population 305,529,237. Of these 90% are men. Of those the 86% are heterosexual. But wait for it…. 65% of victims are female. Run, Hide! Pass another law against those evil, evil men. Can you smell the scare tactics? Most women would never meet a serial killer in their lives, but now they are being primed to be afraid of all men, or at least that wicked 90%. This is how psychology works. Throw big figures in there and that’s all people remember.
Then there’s the media. Damn that Tiger Woods is a rat…but didn’t his wife threaten to brain him with a golf club? Yeah shout the feminists, he deserved it. Yet if he’d threatened to hit her for fooling around he’d be in jail right now.
And then there’s the media and the sexual objectification of women. I hate to tell you this but that’s just another feminist lie. That little, innocent, helpless little honeypot is using sex to manipulate men. Who’s in control when you’ve got your pants around your knees and half your blood supply is tied up below your waist? Women do not have that much of a problem here biologically. In fact our women today have been primed on how to use that sex-tool most efficiently and to the exclussion of all other tools for attracting a decent man. Look great – be hot in bed and you can be a bitch outside of it with nothing more to offer except your looks and sex. Hence todays women pride themselves on being unable to cook or clean. They’re sex-objects and goddesses, not maids and slaves. Think on that next time you grab that porn mag and think it’s showing you your women just the way you like them!
How did I come to this conclussion? Not only by being a woman who grew up in this way, but by listening to my sons and their experiences with women. Most girls offer sex straight off. Without the sex-appeal they really have nothing to offer these guys. They freely admit they can’t do anything in the house, most of them don’t want children or, at most, want one which they will be farming out to creche within minutes of it’s birth. They want a “house-husband” while they pursue a career. They offer sex and themselves freely, but when discussing sex amongst their girlfriends readily admit it’s a “chore” for them. Why would any clear-thinking man bother with them? But get him horny……
Years of educating my sons finally fell into place after their first nasty experience with these shallow women. Now they know better and hence the getting-to-know-you plan. First find out whether this is a woman who can take care of her family and who shares your values for the way you want to run your home and raise your children before investing any time, energy or money on her.
So tell me piercehead and the rest of you…am I not welcome here? Is what I am doing to bring down feminism not every bit as important as what you are doing? Do we not have a common enemy? Is the enemy of my enemy not my friend?
Your welcome here from my perspective. Just as many don’t want women to be allowed here at all. Just don’t be so sensitive that you lash out with false accusations. We’re mean to everyone, not just women. Men are used to talking shit to each other. Women are used to back handed compliments and stabbing each other in the back. Its your style, not your substance. And don’t worry about it, I’ve made an ass of myself here plenty of times, way worse than your couple of missteps. I’ve been called pathetic and told I don’t make any sense. You will be called a bitch and cunt. Its part of our freedom of thought and speech. That freedom has an ugly side. Feminist suppress thought and speech. We don’t. It has negatives that we have to deal with. Best to ignore the insults for now. That would be the surest sign of being in control of your emotions vs vice versa. I don’t know what to say beyond that. Its a male space, and we play rough.
Actually, she did hit him in the face with a golf club, knocking out two of his teeth.
From what I have seen, feminists are revelling in the divorce settlement she will receive.
Thanks for that post, Sugar, you have clarified your position quite well. I’m seeing quite a lot of women coming around to the same position lately – realising that feminism has been very bad for women as well as men.
@ Jabherwochie
Thanks. I hear you and appreciate the advice.
@Snark
Drat, I try not to read too much news ’cause it’s all just so much propaganda so I missed the bit about her knocking his teeth out. No wonder she ran home to hide!
Is she getting away with it?
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