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		<dc:creator>You&#8217;re in the army now STATUS QUO &#124; AboutMilitary.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Icaros2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icaros2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, apparently this threat to U.S. sovereignty is being exaggerated. Obama isn&#039;t sending Interpol agents to take you all to Guantanamo just yet.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;It&#039;s merely an administrative organization that services its member countries (currently 188 in number) by facilitating and coordinating the sharing of law enforcement organization.&quot;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/interpol.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, apparently this threat to U.S. sovereignty is being exaggerated. Obama isn&#8217;t sending Interpol agents to take you all to Guantanamo just yet.</p>
<blockquote><p>Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s merely an administrative organization that services its member countries (currently 188 in number) by facilitating and coordinating the sharing of law enforcement organization.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/interpol.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/interpol.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MSM discovered this over the holiday in response to all the internet worrying.  They actually go to the trouble to actually do some reporting, rather than to go into full hysteria instantly.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world/31interpol.html?_r=2

Here are some useful quotes :
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œWe donâ€™t send officers into the field to arrest people; we donâ€™t have agents that go investigate crimes,â€ said Rachel Billington, an Interpol spokeswoman. â€œThis is always done by the national police in the member country under their national laws.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and
&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. Reaganâ€™s order did not include other standard privileges â€” like immunity from certain tax requirements and from having its property or records subject to search and seizure â€” because at the time, Interpol had no permanent office or employees on United States soil.

That changed in 2004, when Interpol opened a liaison office at the United Nations in New York City. The office consists of &lt;b&gt;five staff members&lt;/b&gt;, Ms. Billington said, and they have access to law enforcement information submitted by other countries with restrictions on who may receive it.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and

&lt;blockquote&gt;
LaTonya Miller, the spokeswoman for the Justice Departmentâ€™s Interpol bureau, said the order would have no effect on the bureau. It routinely receives and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests, she said, and will continue to do so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MSM discovered this over the holiday in response to all the internet worrying.  They actually go to the trouble to actually do some reporting, rather than to go into full hysteria instantly.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world/31interpol.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world/31interpol.html?_r=2</a></p>
<p>Here are some useful quotes :</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œWe donâ€™t send officers into the field to arrest people; we donâ€™t have agents that go investigate crimes,â€ said Rachel Billington, an Interpol spokeswoman. â€œThis is always done by the national police in the member country under their national laws.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Reaganâ€™s order did not include other standard privileges â€” like immunity from certain tax requirements and from having its property or records subject to search and seizure â€” because at the time, Interpol had no permanent office or employees on United States soil.</p>
<p>That changed in 2004, when Interpol opened a liaison office at the United Nations in New York City. The office consists of <b>five staff members</b>, Ms. Billington said, and they have access to law enforcement information submitted by other countries with restrictions on who may receive it.
</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>
LaTonya Miller, the spokeswoman for the Justice Departmentâ€™s Interpol bureau, said the order would have no effect on the bureau. It routinely receives and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests, she said, and will continue to do so.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jay Hammers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Hammers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right that I&#039;m being naive regarding one government.  It&#039;s likely that humanity&#039;s very nature will prevent a sustainable and fair global government from ever being formed.  Perhaps the only way for human beings to achieve an equilibrium is to have competing states which MAY work together when the need arises.  As we expand into the stars isolated colonies will seek independence and evolution will start over once again.  The strongest will prosper.  But not necessarily the brightest.  Ah well, I guess it&#039;s something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right that I&#8217;m being naive regarding one government.  It&#8217;s likely that humanity&#8217;s very nature will prevent a sustainable and fair global government from ever being formed.  Perhaps the only way for human beings to achieve an equilibrium is to have competing states which MAY work together when the need arises.  As we expand into the stars isolated colonies will seek independence and evolution will start over once again.  The strongest will prosper.  But not necessarily the brightest.  Ah well, I guess it&#8217;s something.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right Icaros, but the important part is to stall any effort that could end in a 1984-esque police state. We also know that socialism and it&#039;s ugly offspring, the welfare state works to that end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right Icaros, but the important part is to stall any effort that could end in a 1984-esque police state. We also know that socialism and it&#8217;s ugly offspring, the welfare state works to that end.</p>
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		<title>By: Icaros2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icaros2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ragnar: &lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Global Government is, on the contrary, the nanny state handing out benefits to those who present themselves as the most needy â€“ in theory.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, global government could mean pretty much anything from minarchism to a full blown 1984-esque police state, if we don&#039;t draw a definitional sketch first. But as I don&#039;t think that anything like that will happen in the foreseeable future, I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s worth spending time on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ragnar:<br />
<blockquote>
&#8220;Global Government is, on the contrary, the nanny state handing out benefits to those who present themselves as the most needy â€“ in theory.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, global government could mean pretty much anything from minarchism to a full blown 1984-esque police state, if we don&#8217;t draw a definitional sketch first. But as I don&#8217;t think that anything like that will happen in the foreseeable future, I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s worth spending time on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Icaros2010 December 31, 2009 at 02:25

&lt;code&gt;On the other hand, I do see value in global co-operation simply because interdependency lowers the risk of war and conflict. &lt;/code&gt;

Right, but isn&#039;t co-operation the absolute opposite of Global Government?

Real co-operation includes the right to turn your back on anyone else if you do not want to co-operate, thus it is a vital part of the pressure of negotiations. So basicly the ultimate treath of war ensures the best forms of co-operation. 

Global Government is, on the contrary, the nanny state handing out benefits to those who present themselves as the most needy - in theory.
Basicly Global Government only serves the &#039;administrators&#039; and delegate everyone else to the state of slavery.

It is possible to write lengthy essays on this subject . . . 

So it is much easier to simply say;

&quot;Burn Feminists (of any gender) on the stake!&quot; [ . . . or something to the same effect.]

This will scare some women and might result in some women getting burned*, as you cannot be sure it will not happen. It also burn mental calories among liberals and exhausting the enemy is a good thing - for the moment.

This is mainly a psychological war and we need to be better fighting it!

*) I&#039;m not advocating this, just saying it to scare women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Icaros2010 December 31, 2009 at 02:25</p>
<p><code>On the other hand, I do see value in global co-operation simply because interdependency lowers the risk of war and conflict. </code></p>
<p>Right, but isn&#8217;t co-operation the absolute opposite of Global Government?</p>
<p>Real co-operation includes the right to turn your back on anyone else if you do not want to co-operate, thus it is a vital part of the pressure of negotiations. So basicly the ultimate treath of war ensures the best forms of co-operation. </p>
<p>Global Government is, on the contrary, the nanny state handing out benefits to those who present themselves as the most needy &#8211; in theory.<br />
Basicly Global Government only serves the &#8216;administrators&#8217; and delegate everyone else to the state of slavery.</p>
<p>It is possible to write lengthy essays on this subject . . . </p>
<p>So it is much easier to simply say;</p>
<p>&#8220;Burn Feminists (of any gender) on the stake!&#8221; [ . . . or something to the same effect.]</p>
<p>This will scare some women and might result in some women getting burned*, as you cannot be sure it will not happen. It also burn mental calories among liberals and exhausting the enemy is a good thing &#8211; for the moment.</p>
<p>This is mainly a psychological war and we need to be better fighting it!</p>
<p>*) I&#8217;m not advocating this, just saying it to scare women.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragnar</dc:creator>
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		<description>@ Jack Donovan December 30, 2009 at 23:17 
&lt;blockquote&gt;At least heâ€™s honest about his childishly naive beliefs. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for many good posts.
Global Government is the ultimate evil as it is the idea of total control over human nature. A supporter of this may be childishly naive, but I question if we can afford to regard them as that. 
That is too dangerous for Mankind. 
We got to regard them as evil - as enemy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jack Donovan December 30, 2009 at 23:17 </p>
<blockquote><p>At least heâ€™s honest about his childishly naive beliefs.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for many good posts.<br />
Global Government is the ultimate evil as it is the idea of total control over human nature. A supporter of this may be childishly naive, but I question if we can afford to regard them as that.<br />
That is too dangerous for Mankind.<br />
We got to regard them as evil &#8211; as enemy!</p>
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		<title>By: Icaros2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icaros2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parts of this discussion remind me of some of the ideas seen in &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidbrin.com/newmemewar.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Survival of the Fittest Ideas: The New Style of War -- a Struggle Among Memes&lt;/a&gt;&quot; and put forward by, among others, David Brin.

According to this helpful but crude categorization, there are four basic worldviews:

-- &lt;b&gt;Paranoia&lt;/b&gt;, &quot;Take the best recent example: one can understand Russian traditional xenophobia and dread of enemies lurking on the horizon, given their history of repeated invasion at least once per generation, for a thousand years.&quot;
-- &lt;b&gt;Machismo&lt;/b&gt;, &quot;Wherever you see women oppressed and the environment ignored, wherever professionalism and skill are downgraded in favor of strutting and male-bonded loyalty groups, it&#039;s a good bet that Machismo sets a culture&#039;s major chord.&quot;
-- &lt;b&gt;The East&lt;/b&gt;, &quot;Everyone should subsume their sense of self to the larger group, to the nation, to the tribe, whatever. It&#039;s more complicated than that, of course. For example, while the Eastern Meme hews to the ancient human pattern of pyramidal social hierarchies and a highly privileged leadership class -- just like Paranoia, Feudalism, and Machismo -- it also moderates many of the worst effects of hierarchy. The crux: individualism is dangerous. Deviation and eccentricity are worse. The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.&quot;
-- &lt;b&gt;Dogma of Otherness&lt;/b&gt;, &quot;The Dogma of Otherness is a worldview that actually encourages an appetite for newness. A hunger for diversity. An eagerness for change. Tolerance, naturally, plays a major role in the legends spread by this culture. (Look at the underlying message contained in most episodes of situation comedies!) A second pervasive thread, seen in the vast majority of our films and novels, is suspicion of authority.&quot;

You could use that classification to better understand some of the perspectives found on the &quot;manosphere&quot; as well. Machismo could perhaps be connected to the practioners of game (in addition to DoO) and the upholders of traditional masculine virtues and values. Some parts seem very traditional and religious in their outlook (the East). Jay Hammers&#039;s views in this discussion seem to resemble &quot;dogma of otherness&quot; mixed in with &quot;the East&quot;. I&#039;m personally in the same &quot;Dogma of Otherness&quot; boat, though I try to look at all the evidence and to refrain from idealistic or implausible political thinking.

This post itself about Obama and goverment powers maybe could be classified as partly &quot;paranoia&quot; and partly &quot;suspicion of authority&quot; (SOA).  Global government is perhaps more about &quot;The East&quot;, or at least would be if put to practice under the current global situation. Yes, it could easily mean totalitarianism; after all, China represents 20 % of the world population. In my opinion, it&#039;s still good to have alternatives and healthy competition between national states.

On the other hand, I do see value in global co-operation simply because interdependency lowers the risk of war and conflict. Standardization is also useful to have to a certain extent. But currently I fail to see the advantages of One World Government or such, even if it would be somehow possible to create one. The question seems more theoretical than anything else for the foreseeable future.

@Jabherwochie: why, thank you. I aim to please. Mostly myself, tho, I&#039;m no angel.
@Firepower: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Jay Hammers is a mindless fascist&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. I think you actually mean &quot;mindless communist.&quot; HTH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parts of this discussion remind me of some of the ideas seen in &#8220;<a href="http://www.davidbrin.com/newmemewar.htm" rel="nofollow">Survival of the Fittest Ideas: The New Style of War &#8212; a Struggle Among Memes</a>&#8221; and put forward by, among others, David Brin.</p>
<p>According to this helpful but crude categorization, there are four basic worldviews:</p>
<p>&#8211; <b>Paranoia</b>, &#8220;Take the best recent example: one can understand Russian traditional xenophobia and dread of enemies lurking on the horizon, given their history of repeated invasion at least once per generation, for a thousand years.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; <b>Machismo</b>, &#8220;Wherever you see women oppressed and the environment ignored, wherever professionalism and skill are downgraded in favor of strutting and male-bonded loyalty groups, it&#8217;s a good bet that Machismo sets a culture&#8217;s major chord.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; <b>The East</b>, &#8220;Everyone should subsume their sense of self to the larger group, to the nation, to the tribe, whatever. It&#8217;s more complicated than that, of course. For example, while the Eastern Meme hews to the ancient human pattern of pyramidal social hierarchies and a highly privileged leadership class &#8212; just like Paranoia, Feudalism, and Machismo &#8212; it also moderates many of the worst effects of hierarchy. The crux: individualism is dangerous. Deviation and eccentricity are worse. The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; <b>Dogma of Otherness</b>, &#8220;The Dogma of Otherness is a worldview that actually encourages an appetite for newness. A hunger for diversity. An eagerness for change. Tolerance, naturally, plays a major role in the legends spread by this culture. (Look at the underlying message contained in most episodes of situation comedies!) A second pervasive thread, seen in the vast majority of our films and novels, is suspicion of authority.&#8221;</p>
<p>You could use that classification to better understand some of the perspectives found on the &#8220;manosphere&#8221; as well. Machismo could perhaps be connected to the practioners of game (in addition to DoO) and the upholders of traditional masculine virtues and values. Some parts seem very traditional and religious in their outlook (the East). Jay Hammers&#8217;s views in this discussion seem to resemble &#8220;dogma of otherness&#8221; mixed in with &#8220;the East&#8221;. I&#8217;m personally in the same &#8220;Dogma of Otherness&#8221; boat, though I try to look at all the evidence and to refrain from idealistic or implausible political thinking.</p>
<p>This post itself about Obama and goverment powers maybe could be classified as partly &#8220;paranoia&#8221; and partly &#8220;suspicion of authority&#8221; (SOA).  Global government is perhaps more about &#8220;The East&#8221;, or at least would be if put to practice under the current global situation. Yes, it could easily mean totalitarianism; after all, China represents 20 % of the world population. In my opinion, it&#8217;s still good to have alternatives and healthy competition between national states.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do see value in global co-operation simply because interdependency lowers the risk of war and conflict. Standardization is also useful to have to a certain extent. But currently I fail to see the advantages of One World Government or such, even if it would be somehow possible to create one. The question seems more theoretical than anything else for the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>@Jabherwochie: why, thank you. I aim to please. Mostly myself, tho, I&#8217;m no angel.<br />
@Firepower: <i>&#8220;Jay Hammers is a mindless fascist&#8221;</i>. I think you actually mean &#8220;mindless communist.&#8221; HTH.</p>
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