David Goldman, whose Brazilian wife abducted their child to Brazil to start a new life with a lover in 2004, is finally set to regain custody of his son. Mr. Goldman has been battling the Brazilian court system for years to regain access to his own child. His ex-wife expired during childbirth last year, after which the boy, now 9 years old, was “adopted” by his wife’s adulterous lover without Mr. Goldman’s consent.
This is the kind of nightmare that fathers usually don’t dare to consider, and it underscores the dire need for family law reform. Allowing the removal of children from their home country without the father’s consent constitutes kidnapping, but in these days of widespread international travel it is a fairly frequent occurrence, and women get away with it all the time. Although it is almost never reported, the vast majority of international kidnapping cases each year are perpetrated by women. Sadly, they almost always get away with it, and fathers rarely see their children again. Some feminists, as might be expected, have been struggling to enshrine a woman’s right to abduct children.
Mr. Goldman is one of the lucky ones: he will be reunited with his son. Hundreds of thousands of men are not so fortunate, and must carry the pain of a lost child throughout their lives. It is a widespread injustice that cries out for drastic action, but far too many are reluctant to even address the issue.
In Goldman’s case, the most revealing thing so far is a letter written by his son’s maternal grandmother to Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. In the letter, she writes: “Our moral foundation values the mother’s role. In the absence of the mother, the raising should be done by the grandmother. That’s how it’s done in Brazil, from north to south, regardless of race, religion or social class. It’s natural that foreigners, with a different foundation, would not understand these authentically Brazilian feelings.”
I’m not sure whether this is actually the case – perhaps our Brazilian readers can verify her statement – but it is about the same thing one might expect from an American woman. In fact, I don’t think it is a matter of national tradition so much as it is a universal female sense of entitlement. Women instinctively feel that they own children, and that fathers have no real claim to their own progeny. This is the law of the jungle, and as firm a refutation of patriarchy and civilization as any opinion.
As we have stripped fathers of their place in the family, we have been deconstructing civilization, and sadly now we even have so-called “conservatives” who would lead us down this path to ruin. That a man has to fight for five years for the right to raise his own child speaks volumes about the state of our society. It is absolute proof that there is no patriarchy in the West, as patriarchy, first and foremost, is about the man’s legal and socially recognized stewardship of his own home and family. If that is trumped by his mother-in-law, there is no family as we know it, and we are already well on our way back to savagery.
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Feminists ‘feel’ that enforcement of real equality is too fair because then women cannot be advantaged. How sick is that?
zimmy,
It’s also a tacit statement of their own misogyny.
Woman tactic #765 – Speak for the child(ren).
Sean’s maternal grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, told ABC News that her grandson does not want to leave Brazil.
“He said he is very sad because he does not want to, and he is very sad because he had, he has the right to speak and to explain himself, but the judge here cut his right,” Bianchi said.
“… the best thing for him will be (to) stay there,” Bianchi said.
…of course denying him his father for so long wouldn’t put a strain on things eh grandma?
“As we have stripped fathers of their place in the family, we have been deconstructing civilization”
This has been said millions of times … to no avail.
Now, we must turn the page on this chapter and look elsewhere to fulfill ourselves.
I understand that as men we are being denied every right, but it happens only in the West.
I think that the next page in Men’s history will be very different from the present one. We are going to get out of this new Dark Age and spread civilization elesewhere.
I don’t know how long and how hard it would be to rebuilt this society but I don’t feel that any man is willing to wait after the end of his life. I’m not even sure it can be rebuilt.
The easiest route is to “change lane” and take another direction.
The MGTOW movement (yes, it has now become a movement) is the way to go.
As more and more men WILL emigrate, women will find themselves more and more alone: it will help them fix the damages they have caused. BTW: only women can fix their mess. If they don’t (and I don’t think they will, since they don’t know it’s broken).
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There was NO WAY IN HELL Goldman was supposed to win that case. Give him credit, though. He called in every last favor in the book and pulled a rabbit out of the hat:
Last week, U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey reacted to the case by blocking renewal of a $2.75 billion trade deal that would remove U.S. tariffs on some Brazilian goods.He lifted the hold after Tuesday’s ruling and the U.S. Senate quickly passed the trade measure.
So there it is.
The price of custody (for fathers anyway) is $2.75B USD. Wonder what the cost would’ve been had it been the boy’s mother?
LOL! Always, always, always follow the $$$$.
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And now you know why I don’t give my most valuable information away for free.
“As more and more men WILL emigrate, women will find themselves more and more alone: it will help them fix the damages they have caused. BTW: only women can fix their mess. If they don’t (and I don’t think they will, since they don’t know it’s broken).”
Rebel?-
They KNOW. It’s broken in their favor. They won’t accept the loss til it’s FINAL.
MGTOW.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aha51/i_have_no_problem_with_her_wanting_to_screw_my/
To all men thinking about marriage:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aha51/i_have_no_problem_with_her_wanting_to_screw_my/
About time.
I saw this on CNN this morning.
Three women were talking about this. All three agreed that it was not in the ‘best interests’ of the child to have him reunited with the father.
Cunts.
Worse, one of these imbeciles said that in the United States, custody is determined by what is in the best interest of the child. This is true. BUT, she said the child should go back to the mother because “he did not want to return to America.” Idiot. The Best Interest test is an 8-factor test, only one of which deals with the child’s interest, weighed upon age and maturity.
Does anyone find it notable that this is a BIG story?
Why? Because it’s goddamn rare.
i may take some heat for this suggestion, but I think with such draconian laws and pussified power brokers, men need to reconsider whether the fight is worth it altogether. All the time, money, and resources spent – almost frivolously. You won’t win like this guy did. And if that’s how it will be… why play their game?
Just a general thought I’m tossing out there…
Besides another “Don’t get married”, the grandma is bullshitting through her teeth. Probably she prefers defend the image that the slut painted about the guy that letting the child go with his father. Or she swallowed the bullshit at it’s fullest (unlikely).
That is a very good point. The practical lesson to be learned here (for Americans) is that marrying a foreign woman is not a guarantee of a successful marriage. It may improve your odds a bit, but adds the additional risk of her taking the kids and doing a runner.
Be very, very careful who you get involved with, and do keep eyes open at all times for that sense of entitlement. It can be disguised, but never hidden completely.
It would seem to me that every time a huge problem like this pops up, a viable solution is quickly found.
Maybe most of you already know this: You can have a surrogate mother to produce a child for you for tewnry thousand dollars. India.
The son of a friend of mine went to Nicaragua and had a young woman make him a child. Cost to him: $30 grans.
May sound expensive but no woman will take your child away.
Nice solution, isn’t it?
I am a Brazilian. 99% of people here sided with the father, as comments in the newspaper sites show. The orphan child stays always with the father, not with the grandmother.
The old hag is a liar.
The law is clear in Brazil, but a skilled lawyer can gain time with several tricks in the hope the other part just gives up.
The family is rich, and that was what they did, but it was a lost case from the start. And Lula is an idiot, every literate person in Brazil hates him.
The dead mother was not a typical third world mail-order bride too. She had a masters degree in Italy and worked in Europe and the US. She was very probably a modern feminist (yuck).
John Nada…oh my! It took politics to win him back.
Anyone know what it cost Goldman to get his son back????
Anyone…
Some guy who makes $50K a year would never see his son again…..
The last thread points to the biggest problem….this shouldn’t be a court issue. Custody shouldn’t be a court issue unless there is abuse, drugs, etc.
Marriage should have built in prenups, no lawyers…both parties know going in what they will get, assets, no alimony, 50% custody. Contract over, return to original life. This is signed prior to the wedding, spelled out in technicolor, the same for every new marriage.
Better…fuck marriage altogether
“Moral Foundation” means, whatever women’s whims and demands are at the moment.
Women instinctively feel that they own children, and that fathers have no real claim to their own progeny. This is the law of the jungle, and as firm a refutation of patriarchy and civilization as any opinion.
Following along this line of thought, was watching a piece on the morning news about the missing Utah mother of 2; an interview of the husband’s biological sister and her husband. She kept referring to her children as, “MY family” or “MY kids” instead of “our family” or “our kids” (keep in mind, her husband is RIGHT there)…she made the same references to the missing mom’s kids/family as well.
I definitely get the feeling that women think they OWNchildren. At the very least, get priority over men, if men have any rights or interests re children at all.
hmmmmm
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99% of them treat the fathers of their offspring, the head of the household and rightful ruler of the clan with indifference and blatant disinterest. He is but a mule, a packhorse providing her with the means and wherewithal to her accomplish her capricious whims.
The females of the Anglosphere all run the same shared operating system:
“Entitlement Feminism 1.o, Service Pack 3″.
The culture is morally bankrupt, with neither principles nor scruples. It is toxic and rife with misandry. Team Woman words and actions are on autopilot.
If knowing what you know now, you choose to live under that system then I would conclude one of 2 things:
A) that you are a warrior worth his weight in gold
or
B) {with zero condescension} that you are 100% addicted to pain.
You can be King Alpha but with age, everyone fades and most women will develop contempt for your weakness. Better to not be in the situation to begin with.
”’Mr. Goldman is one of the lucky ones: he will be reunited with his son. Hundreds of thousands of men are not so fortunate, and must carry the pain of a lost child throughout their lives. It is a widespread injustice that cries out for drastic action, but far too many are reluctant to even address the issue.”””””””””
Yea right this is just to create a president for guys who make a run for it. How many woman in us would leave with kids. Can we be realistic on this?
No need for woman to sneak anywhere they have the full support of the system behind them.
If knowing what you know now, you choose to live under that system then I would conclude one of 2 things:
A) that you are a warrior worth his weight in gold
or
B) {with zero condescension} that you are 100% addicted to pain.
I agree – and to be honest expatting seems like a very viable option. Personally, I’m not quite there yet. I would probably only expat if I had my life crushed via the legal system.
On that note I have a question – do the countries you help people relocate to honor those kinds of debts? That is, if caught, well the country turn you over for outstanding child support/alimony?
Guys are losing kids in front of their eyes living in the same town and this story is somehow tragic. Come on now.
To not get involved in us system all you have to do is not have kids or a wife. Simple shit to sidestep is your a younger guy who hasn’t fucked up yet.
Yes, it is a very valuable lesson. I think it’s also advisable not to bring foreign wives back to the US, at least not for the long-term.
When are the “WIMMIN” going to catch on to the fact that ” Children are gifts, not an income”?????
Which would actually be okay if the law followed through on that idea consistently. Not okay for society, mind you, but okay for men. In other words, it seems to me that the consistent choices would be:
1. Acknowledge fathers and mothers have equal rights and obligations with respect to children and enforce this legally; or
2. Acknowledge mothers have primatial rights over children, but, to be consistent, do not saddle fathers with ongoing responsibilities, financial and otherwise, in the face of a lack of rights with respect to the children.
The current system is messed up because it is a bastardization of both of these ideas. Equality in terms of “responsibility” ( effectively meaning that the parent who is not custodial is equally responsible financially nonetheless), but inequality in terms of rights relating to the children. In other words, the current system is “women win”. It’s internally inconsistent, viewed logically, but in terms of fem-logic it makes sense because it ignores rational logic and simply reaches the rule that is most beneficial to women and “their” children — which in the eyes of many women, is the higher form of logic.
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GREAT QUESTION. Glad you asked.
#1) YES. There are about 7 or 8 countries that have standing agreements with the U.S. outlining that alimony/child support payments are valid in your new country just as much as they are stateside. Avoid them like the plague.
#2) NO. I’ll leave a fascinating quote from MarkyMark’s blog I came across from a true “Runaway Slave”
…Most of the world doesn’t even realize that county “family” court even exists much less the real implications of same. Your “civil” violations won’t mean jack shit to places like Cambodia, Chile, Brazil, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, Russia, China, etc. so shut up, stop whining, and live. The cops of Paraguay don’t care your nation labels you a deadbeat.
I knew that it was weird that the grandma defended so hard that bullshit. No women of that age, that lived in an age of no alimony and hard work would defend that shit. On the other hand, someone brainwashed in college with femshit is going to put the sisterhood above all else.
Elian Gonzalez unavailble for comment.
Nova – I agree 100%. If option 1 were the status quo, then it would alleviate a lot of problems with the current system. If legal decisions were dealt out equally and fairly on a consistent basis…well, things would be equal and fair, heh.
John – That’s kind of what I was expecting. Good to know, in any case. I don’t fault a man for wanting a family, even for wanting a family in the west (where he has been born/raised)…I think that is only a natural inclination.
On the flip side, I do not agree with feeding the money hungry industries that are in a position to profit from a fallout (divorce) of that said family. Specifically, the legal system and the government that controls it.
I don’t think one should RUN from obligation, if its fair. That is, if I were to get 50/50 custody of kids and not pay any child support (dream world, right?), I wouldn’t have any qualms about it. But if the situation is like that one linked above, where the father sees the kids 2x / month AND pays hefty alimony/CS on top of it? Fuck that. Time to cut your losses and leave town.
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Concurred 100%.
I should’ve prefaced that quote by saying that is NOT what I advocate. One must be responsible for one’s actions and it’s best to stop problems before they start.
Now, I understand his predicament. On a cold winter night outside a Las Vegas casino with the original, signed divorce decree/court order in hand, the police officer refused to enforce the law. In fact, when he returned Said it was a civil matter when my son’s mother refused to turn him over to me for Xmas visitation.
In fact, when he returned from her house with her reason for refusal, he approached and drew down on me as if I were a criminal. (Mind you, we had spoken amicably and civilly face to face 20 mins earlier.)
But if a man runs, he should do so with full intention of going back and handle unfinished business. At least off the plantation he can have some breathing room to make the scratch necessary to tie up any loose ends. For his own sake, every Men’s Righter should be doing whatever it takes to make more money.
Remember, the Family Court star chamber is all about $$$$ extraction.
Women have definitely voided the social contract that existed between the genders.
There seems to be no doubt left that men and women ARE NOT made to live together.
Women want children and quite of few men do, too.
There exists only one solution: men and women have to go their separate ways and have their own families.
Two ways to reach that state of bliss:
1-Surrogacy
2-Artificial uterus.
Solution number 2 would free women some more.
Maybe some men and women can still find a way to live together and surmount all obstacles, but those who can’t (and I guess they outnumber all else) should still have the possibility to raise a family.
Who knows: one man could have one child and one woman could have one child. No more than that.
Now, many people will not want any responsibility, so the world population would decrease.
Suppose all of this was to happen:
a-Abolition of marriage
b-Artificial reproduction
c-Men and women totally free from one another (this one would benefit women, so they could be convinced easily)
d-Unlimited freedom for everybody.
e-Absolutely no law regarding sex.
f-A very minuscule microgovernment. (or none at all)
g-Live to the fullest.
Wouldn’t that be Shangri-la?
Rather than looking at the past with regrets, wouldn’t it be better to enjoy our newly discovered freedom?
And it’s so easy! Just don’t sign the bloody marriage paper! Don’t have a child “with” a woman: rather, get one from a woman: one that remains yours.
None of the problems discussed here would occur if men would simply “unplug” and avoid the two crimes mentioned here above (marriage and kids are a deadly combination for men).
How could anyone cause you any harm if you arrange your life that way? What woman are you persecuting if you talk to none. Or if you abandon them completely?
Why not give women what they really want: your absence and your non-acknowledgement of them?
But most of all, why wouldn’t men, ALL men, do strictly what they want?
Who on earth has said that we have ANY obligation at all? I say that’s bull shit. We are not obliged to do anything. And nobody has any right to tell men what to do.
Rebel,
While I certainly do believe you are onto something, and very much relate to what you’ve said, I think our enemies are a little more devious than that.
Your point ‘c’ is “Men and women totally free from one another”. This isn’t actually what feminists want. Feminists are totally dependent on men. They divorced men and married the state, which bullies men into giving up their incomes for women. They still very much depend on men and their labours; that has not changed.
And as we all know, marriage has become more and more of a risk as time has gone by.
And that’s why, if men stop marrying, feminists will push for new legislation, which will allow them to continue fleecing individual men, as well as men in general through state redistribution.
For instance, cohabitation laws which have recently come into practice in some places, and are being seriously considered in others. In the event of a breakup of a cohabiting couple, the ex-girlfriend is able to claim exactly the same things that a wife could, had they been married. House, property, alimony, kids, etc. Men stopped marrying, so new feminist legislation allowed women to circumvent marriage altogether.
And so men will up the ante, and refuse to cohabit with women.
What we can expect to see in the near future – and I am perfectly serious about this – is new legislation which applies the same privileges to women in the event of a breakup between a couple who have only been dating, not even living together (there will probably be a minimum time period, e.g. two years, which will gradually become less with further amendments).
Just think – soon enough, exchanging phone numbers will entitle a woman to claim your house and half your property, and a monthly paycheque under the threat of imprisonment.
That’s the way things are headed. The message is, we WILL get your money, one way or the other. Men try to back away, they simply follow us.
All the while, trying to shame us into submission with cries of ‘irresponsibility’.
Feminism can be broken down to this:
- as many choices for women as possible,
- as many obligations for men as possible,
- maintainted by and through the state.
A marriage strike, though obviously the correct course of action, will not by itself be enough to defend ourselves. They will meet us every time we move the goalposts.
Let me begin by saying I am a married woman with two sons. I stumbled across this website via a google search and felt compelled to leave my own comment after reading some of the above. Every woman I know who is familiar with this story felt it was a travesty of justice and was on the side of the father. I would never in a million years dream of denying my sons their relationship with their father, even if we were to divorce (we are currently married for 15 years.) I was overjoyed to see that Sean and David are on their way home together, and hope they can have a peaceful and media-free chance to heal and that the boy receives the necessary support to recover from this devastating experience. This may be shocking to some who see us “wimmin” as devils who despise “pack-mule” men, but most women I know feel their children are best raised by two loving parents, usually a man and a woman, who have equal parental rights and responsibilities. What Sean’s mother did was selfish and evil, and what her family continued to do to David and Sean was unconscionable. It’s unfortunate that both misogynists and misandrists use these types of experiences as a platform to further their hatred filled agendas and widen the gap. I hope my boys grow up to be comfortable men who love women and can raise healthy sons or daughters who can do the same.
@ KC Collins,
“wimmin” is feminist slang, not MRA slang.
KC Collins –
The main concern/fear for me, personally, is that if my chosen wife/mother wants to divorce me, steal the kids, get big monthly payments from me, have me arrested for false rape or DV allegation, the courts will, on the average, side with her.
I’m pretty sure the majority of men commenting on this site will admit that not ALL women are evil. Otherwise we probably wouldn’t be here discussing it in the first place.
Yes, the father got his kid back, after FIVE years of, no doubt, high amounts of stress and expenses.
Also – I guess I have to ask, for arguments sake: Would you be willing to be the utmost and most fair with respect to your children if your husband did something VILE to you and caused the marriage to end? Would you rough it out, for sake of your children – or instead be spiteful and attempt to hurt him through various means? Now – do you think most women (or people) would be benevolent or malevolent?
Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is people are emotional, subject to changes. That’s fine. But you cannot trust everybody to stick to their guns as circumstances change. You might say “i would NEVER deny my kid’s their father” now, you might not think the same way in the future if certain circumstances occurred.
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I understand what you’re saying but
#1) men and women COMPLEMENT each other. It’s the Gramscian-style hijacking that has turned the culture on its ear. Remember, (paraphrasing MarkyMark–2/2 today) culture and laws are to women what operating systems are to computers. It’s been my own personal experience and that of many others that say male-female relationships OUTSIDE Entitlement Feminist societies are for the most part, normal. Why? Because the culture and laws have not been hijacked. Much of the analysis I see is as I mentioned awhile back, skewed because of the Anglosphere “Context vs. Content.” factor, and understandably so.
#2) If you’re out to bring down the System by sacrificing your own genetic legacy I’m in total agreement. But children are the game-changer. The traditional family is the fundamental unit of any society and healthy societies begin with healthy, mother-father families. Both sexes are fallible, human beings but to deny a child access to either parent is a recipe for disaster on so many levels.
#3) Lastly, wouldn’t that make us no better than those females we call to the carpet for their selfishness and narcissism for doing the same thing?
Ms. Collins,
Upon separation from my ex, she presented me with a separation agreement, via her lawyer, that would give me my son one Saturday night a month and every Wednesday for dinner only. I was 100% involved in every aspect of his life and basically a superdad. She had no qualms with me going from a 100% dad to a 14% dad overnight. Spare me your bullshit.
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With all due respect, if I were to receive a dollarl for every time I heard that, I’d have the $2.75B USD and political pull that Sean Goldman had to get his boy back.
Of course, “not all women are like that”. However, if you truly feel the way you say, by all means GO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
You can begin by not talking to other men, but to OTHER WOMEN. Seeing as how you represent 54% of the voting populace, I’d ask that you organize women and vote to repeal these 3 key pieces of legislation:
1. VAWA
2. IMBRA
3. Bradley Amendment
That’s a very uphill battle, KC but I believe in you! You can do it!
Until then, I really have nothing else to say to you or any other 1st World Female. No ill will. I’ve learned that minimizing the contact minimizes the conflict.
Merry XmaKwanzaKahFestivus!
To respond to the above:
Mr M – You don’t need to remind me that it took 5 years to get Sean back, I originally stated that it was horrendous and I have been following this for quite some time. He was 100% wronged, period. As for whether or not I would let my kids see their dad if he did something vile – I would let my kids see their dad unless they were in danger in his presence, i.e. sexual abuse, active drug use, etc, just as I would not be able to see them if I was doing the same. If he cheated on me or something like that, yes they would still see him. Of course like you said, it is hard to know what you will do in any emotionally difficult situation until you are there, but that is how I feel about it now.
Snark – I am unfamiliar with the term wimmin and only used it because the first time I have seen it is here tonight.
wow – Obviously your painful situation causes you to see my opinion as female bullshit, sorry about that and I guess there’s nothing more to say about that from my end.
John Nada – What you said above and especially in number #2 I agree with, children should not be used as pawns and it is so sad when it happens, I have seen both men and women go insane with vindictiveness and of course it is the children who suffer.
KC Collins,
What we object to here is a system of laws which enables and encourages women to do these things, at the expense of fathers and, as you quite rightly say, children.
Many people who post here have had experiences not incomparable to the man featured in the article, and usually without his level of resources available to them.
Add to all this the popular notion of the pedestalised woman, a leftover relic from Victorian chivalry which has been seized by feminists for their own gain; and that this notion has been earth-shatteringly destroyed for these men as they have found the women they married to have become the most savage, vindictive monsters, intentionally driving them to the brink of despair and beyond, doing this seemingly for its own sake.
And understand that we get quite a few women coming around here reminding us that “not all women are like that” …
And maybe you’ll appreciate that some men are understandably bitter with the way things are, and that catharsis expressed against a legal system and a culture which entrenches female privilege will sometimes – in the emotional heat of the moment, driven as some are to disgust and despair – appear to have misogynistic undertones.
Maybe you’ll understand better why some men have actually given up on women altogether, unable to afford, financially, physically, emotionally and spiritually, to put themselves in such a position where this could all happen to them again.
And even those men who are devastated and destroyed by a vindictive divorce, or a false allegation of sexual assault, or a violent partner; I believe that they are aware, deep down, that not every single woman is “like that”.
Indeed, I would like to commend your own perspective on what you would do, as it is responsible and mature, not based on whims or emotional fancy. I certainly don’t think we in the MRM should be making enemies out of women who pose no threat to men.
Though I do echo the above sentiments that if you really oppose such privilege, you should do something about it. It’s very easy to remain silent when you know something is wrong, but it’s not you who has to face the injustice.
There only has to be a small number of women who are “like that” for this to be a problem, when laws and social norms are in place which enable and encourage them to behave in this way.
It is not women which the MRM opposes, but the legal and social/cultural structures which enable and encourage them to behave atrociously and to exploit men for their own gain; structures which have grown directly out of the feminist movement. To put it simply, the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction that grave injustices like the one featured in the article are perpetrated daily.
KC -
it is hard to know what you will do in any emotionally difficult situation until you are there
That’s my point. Not everybody is a rock. Further along those lines, not everybody has the same degree of upholding themselves to do what is right, versus what is easy, or what they want to do. Of course you open up a can of worms when you try to define what one thinks of as “right” … See the dilemma?
Ergo, most people need an impartial 3rd party, or mediator, to help guide people to do what is “right” if 2 individuals would be unable to work out the details… but, from the perspective of an average male (myself), this 3rd party (the government/legal system), is anything but impartial.
Actually, John has a good quote, which is: “culture and laws are to women what operating systems are to computers.” The culture and laws present in the West give incentive (as opposed to being neutral, or punishing) to gain custody of the children. The government rewards a lot of “bad” behavior, currently.
So tying back into what I said, everybody has their own moral code, agenda, and beliefs. If you add in a 3rd party that rewards certain behaviors, don’t be surprised if people take the money without thinking out the ramifications for any party involved.
I hear what you are saying Snark, believe me I know some self-righteous man haters and if one of my sons ended up with one it would be painful indeed. I kind of think of the feminist movement as a parallel to the labor unions – it came from a necessary place but has gone too far and breeds laziness and a sense of entitlement. I also have a female friend who is going through a terrible divorce right now and has been portrayed by her estranged husband as everything from an alcoholic lesbian to a mentally ill child abandoner (none of which are true), he has tremendous financial means and she does not and the damage already done to their four children is extreme already and the divorce is not even final. I mention this only to point out, as I’m sure you know, that bad behavior certainly exists among both sexes and once again, the focus needs to be brought back to the children.
I don’t have time to say more now as I am heading out for holiday plans, but you’ve given me food for thought and I will look into the things mentioned. I wish for everyone here to find a little peace and healing in the New Year.
@Snark
“Just think – soon enough, exchanging phone numbers will entitle a woman to claim your house and half your property, and a monthly paycheque under the threat of imprisonment.”
I think that if it comes to that, if women start playing that kind of game, then I would hope that no man on earth could be stupid enough to still want to deal with women.
And if there are men who are so completely addicted to pussy, then let them sink into hell where they belong.
In my opinion, a man who is not prepared to die for his own freedom does not need to be free. He should not be free.
In fact, all he needs is to be transformed into a woman.
“Just think – soon enough, exchanging phone numbers will entitle a woman to claim your house and half your property, and a monthly paycheque under the threat of imprisonment.”
It’s been tried in Canada twice already – Ontario and Manitoba. It made it as far as the legislative assembly before getting shot down.
But they haven’t given up.
It’s just a matter of time.
Women instinctively feel that they own children, and that fathers have no real claim to their own progeny.
So why should the man be required to pay a huge ‘child support’, by that logic?
Oh, I made the mistake of using the ‘L’ word.
Almost no hypocrisy can shock me anymore.
The only reason he got his son back is because the ex-wife died, and the boyfriend didn’t want the kid (obviously).
He never would have won if the ex-wife was still alive.
A new post.. BTW Why did that guy spend so much effort on getting his kid back? Is it worth it?
How to Use Escorts- I
http://dissention.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/how-to-use-escorts-01/
KC –
That’s the same kind of thing my ex-wife used to say until she got all damp in the panties for her professor at school. Then she started regurgitating all the bullshit about it “not being good to stay together for the sake of the child” and all the anecdotes about children who have absolutely thrived since their parents divorce.
Women say all kinds of shit until the point it contradicts what they “feel” they want to do.
I, however, am lucky to live in Sweden – a country that gets a lot of stick around here for its feminist ways – where the default in the case of divorce is joint custody. I get my daughter every other week – for the whole week. I can be a proper father to her. The advantage of this is that I don’t have to pay child support or alimony either.
Of course, none of this stops my ex-wife from treating our daughter as her “own” property and she’s not above – as she did this morning, Christmas morning, when I went to pick up my daughter – from making weird comments about the custody arrangements when she doesn’t get her own way.
I love my daughter and it’s my deepest, dearest wish that she turns out nothing like her mother.
Blige hauls off on husband
Mary J. Blige punched husband Kendu Isaacs in the face at her record release party at club M2 Tuesday night. The singer slugged Isaacs, drawing blood, after she thought he was flirting with a waitress. “She turned to him and was screaming, ‘You’re not going to ruin my night,’ ” our witness says. “They got up in each other’s faces before someone tried to separate them, at which point she shoved the guy aside, pulled back and popped [Isaacs] in the face.” The source said Blige, Isaacs and their entourage were whisked through a door to the attached club Pink, which was closed. Our witness relates, “She was yelling at him, ‘What are you gonna do, Chris Brown me?’ Four of her bodyguards and two of the club’s kept them apart.” Isaacs was kicked out. Blige went to the bathroom to fix her hair and makeup, but soon fled, creating an uncomfortable scene for partygoers Jay-Z, Beyoncé and Busta Rhymes. Her rep said only, “People lie and don’t know what they’re talking about.” NY Post.
He should have ‘Chris Brown’d her.
Ho ho ho!
I have said this before and even though I don’t think anybody takes it seriously I will repeat it here. A man looses his children even if they are not taken away from you in divorce. A man can live with his children in the same house but still he looses them. This is how families work. There is the mother and children on one side and the man on the other. The man will always be put on the outside. Living with your children and having ‘custody’ will not stop your wife gathering the children about herself and recruiting them into her force for pressurizing you.
In the end if you are a man then you are alone.
The Truth December 24, 2009 at 7:40 am
“To all men thinking about marriage”
Just don’t do it. It’s that simple. Leave the wimmin to their vibrators and cats.
KC Collins December 24, 2009 at 3:56 pm
“I would never in a million years dream of denying my sons their relationship with their father”
Guess what KC. Every cunt who ever married said this to their husband to be. We don’t believe you any more. You are all lying cunts as far as we are concerned. Ok? Is this clear to you? WE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU.
Guess what else? When I ask women to sit on a jury to try my ex for the crime of kidnapping my former children they say ‘NO’.
So here you are: Are you willing to sit on a de jour jury and judge and incarcerate women found to be guilty of kidnapping? Go ahead. What is your answer?
And if it is not a resounding yes? Take your lies and deceit and fuck off.
If it is a resounding Yes then join the forums where I can PM you. And start enrolling OTHER women into making the commitment to try women who commit crimes against men like kidnapping.
Guess what else? There are plenty of women on this site. Guess how many have written to me that they are willing to jail women who commit crimes against men. Yes, you would be correct in thinking this number is zero. This is why I say women have NO PLACE in the MRA movement. Because they are lying cunts only interested in their own best interests.
Gentlemen,
it is as simple as this. Every man attacked by his wife is well advised to dis-own their sons. Exactly like I did. It is tough to do but it is the best thing for the man by a mile. Just leave the boy(s) behind to whatever fate awaits him and go out and date as many hot women as you can for as long as you can. All that ‘alimony and child support’ that you don’t give to your ex makes it that much easier to get women. Disowning my younger son nearly killed me. But I am very glad I did it. Bad luck for him he has a cunt for a mother and that all the other women around her, like KC, protested how ‘good’ they were but would not stand up against his kidnapping. Western women ARE that disgraceful and any man who is stupid enough to give any one of them the ‘benefit of the doubt’ deserves to get totally shafted. What most men do not ‘get’ is that ALL the wmmin know this bullshit has been going on for years and the wimmin have not stood up for their men.
I only realised this as my closest female friends refused to assist me when my children were being abused.
Stu December 25, 2009 at 4:05 am
“I love my daughter and it’s my deepest, dearest wish that she turns out nothing like her mother.”
Stu, western daughters are worthless. They turn out like their mothers. Don’t waste your time. Yes, I have two daughters 29 and 18. Both have extremely disgusting personalities and attitudes. Raising them was a complete waste of MY time.
I don’t even bother now saying to men they should dis-own their daughters in divorce…they should just dis-own them right from the start because the femnazi system is going to brainwash them. Any man now stupid enough to be having babies who gets a daughter really deserves the total waste of time and effort he has created for himself.
By the way. I do not mean just my daughter. My youngest went to the best school in Ireland. When she and her friends would come to my house they would speak in front of my like I was not there. And they things they said disgusted me to my core. These are the ‘femnazis’ of the future.
Some men say that we should help these girls understand that they are brainwashed and assist them live useful lives. I disagree. They are worthless as people and human beings. Alas, since we can’t kill them the best we can do is ignore them and let them fall into poverty by promoting open competition in the commercial world. Once poverty stricken they might do as they are told in return for food. I couldn’t care less about the quality of life of a western feminised girl or woman because they couldn’t care less about me.
Thanks for the responses. Clearly this is not a site where I will visit again, being the lying cunt I am as globalman so eloquently stated. I appreciate your input as it has given me more insight into this movement and the men it attracts and so I am aware of one more thing to protect my BOYS from, and you are correct, I have no place in the MRA movement. After one evening of reading some of the other posts I felt great compassion and actually would have been willing to look more but your post has immediately convinced me otherwise. Let me ask you this Globalman – how much time did you spend this past year being an activist for AIDS patients? For victims of genocide? For homeless refugees living in camps in the harshest of winters? I’m guessing none, because it is not your own personal problem. Yet you expect every woman to jump onto your platform and fight for your rights, and if they don’t they are a cunt, which I’m sure they already were before you met them anyway. I’m sure there is really nothing more I could say as you are so distorted by hatred already, but I did want to say I thought a lot last night about some of the other posters here and their struggles and hope that the law begins to change to better serve the needs of both fathers and children. I am off now to work, on Christmas Day, as I am a nurse and work in an inner city emergency room where I will take care of many sick people, both male and female, who have no one else. Being the selfish cunt I am, it’s the least I can do. Happy holidays.
I have said this before and even though I don’t think anybody takes it seriously I will repeat it here. A man looses his children even if they are not taken away from you in divorce. A man can live with his children in the same house but still he looses them. This is how families work. There is the mother and children on one side and the man on the other. The man will always be put on the outside. Living with your children and having ‘custody’ will not stop your wife gathering the children about herself and recruiting them into her force for pressurizing you.
In the end if you are a man then you are alone.
I agree with you completely, Paul.
In fact, “game” illustrates what your fate is as a man quite clearly. Should you treat your wife as your equal, she will run you over and destroy your life. The only way to keep her around is to “game her,” and if this is what you must do, then large parts of you will always be alone.
It is similar if you keep company with children. Physically, you are not alone, but mentally, you are more alone when relating to children, then you are to another man who is of similar intellect and status as you are – your equal.
But, you can’t treat your wife as an equal, or she will disrespect you and destroy you… so, you’ve always got to be running on that treadmill, one step ahead of her with your “game.” That is not an equal relationship, and you are alone, mentally.
The man takes all the blame for everything that goes wrong, and gets very little credit or thanks. None, actually.
If you work 70hrs a week to pay off the mortgage faster, and ensure financial security for the family, you will be a failure for not spending enough time with them.
If you work 40hrs a week and don’t try to get ahead, your family will resent you for not being able to provide them with the things they desire.
If your kids do not get a $150,000/yr job by the time they are 30, it will be because you failed to afford to send them to Harvard.
If your daughter grows up to be 25 and watches on Oprah that children who were spanked were actually physically abused, the daughter will burst into tears and claim she was abused. (Seen this one before, lol!)
If you don’t dance and do cartwheels and backflips everytime you walk through the door, your wife and kids will somehow say that you were emotionally distant, and all of their problems stem from issues with you.
Fact is, the buck stops with you. You are the top dog, and so you get all the blame… but, if your wife cooks you some Kraft dinner, she is marvellous.
It really never is good enough.
When I look at my father, I think to myself, “he fulfilled his obligations 100%” – he did what he was supposed to do.
He put food on the table and put a roof over our heads.
He loved his children and wife, and remained sexually faithful.
He was not a drunk, nor was he abusive – he never even spanked us, that was my Mom’s job, although she threatened us that Dad was gonna spank us.
Basically, he did everything that promised he would do. He ought to be without fault, and thanked for his sacrifices.
He not only did what he was supposed to, but he went beyond.
He made our family wealthy, and then passed that wealth around to help his kids go through college, start up businesses, and purchase their own homes.
When he died two years after retiring, he left my mother as a very wealthy widow – one that easily afforded to travel around the world at the drop of a hat. Since he died, my mom has been across Canada, to Alaska on a cruise, twice to California, twice to Hawaii, twice to Mexico, Fiji, China, Japan, Singapore, England, Ireland, Holland 4 times, Austria, Germany, France, and Italy… I’m sure there are some that I am missing. She’s not hurting, and living well.
But, she complains about how rough she had it because she had to stay at home until I was five.
My brother and sister, one a reasonably wealthy businessman and one with a Ph D – both financed by my father – they both complain that my father was responsible for the faults currently in their lives as well.
It appears to me, that everywhere along the way, my Dad is the pre-made excuse for everything wrong in the family.
And yet, he upheld his part of the bargain and went much beyond.
Seems like a crap deal to me.
I think something has changed, regarding marriage & family, when the home ceased to be a place of economic production and became a place of consumption instead.
A few hundred years ago, your family was asset to you, even if they were miserable and a pain in the ass. The wife was making clothes, preparing food, caring for children, and then, worked beside you in the field to help the family survive.
As soon as children could, they were out on the farm doing chores, and helping to produce more for the family overall.
In other words, there once was a time that having a family meant that you gained something from the deal. A man with a wife and seven kids was able to produce more than a man who was alone.
This would at least offset the negative aspects of being top dog. Just like the boss of your company gets all of the negative aspects of his position – the buck stops with him – but, there is value in him owning a business and having 15 employees under him. He gets value from his position.
Today, the family and the home have become a net drain. Everything and everyone costs you something, and produces very little in return for the cost.
Would you want all the responsibilities of being a business owner, if you were guaranteed to earn less money, with more hours? This is essentially what the family has evolved into. A net drain rather than a net gain.
KC:
We’re not looking for your sympathy.
If we wanted sympathy we’d look in the dictionary between shit and syphilis!
And yet, he upheld his part of the bargain and went much beyond.
Fedrz,
Make sure you tell him that. At least have him go to his grave knowing ONE person was grateful. In his mind, he will still feel the whole thing was worth it then.
when the home ceased to be a place of economic production and became a place of consumption instead.
Precisely. Take the real-estate industry itself – the whole thing is built around a mechanism of manipulating the emotions of women to screw the husband out of his hard-earned money.
Women, being ignorant on matters of finance, think that when you ‘buy’ a house, you get a ‘free tax deduction’, failing to consider that they are only getting a deduction on interest paid to the bank, and that there are property taxes to pay beyond that. But women are easily duped by numbers, so that happens.
It is considered the societal norm for a woman to get a house much larger than needed, even if the husband has to work extra-hard for it.
In Detroit, the average home price fell from $97,000 as recently as 2003 to just $15,000 today. Once a certain percentage of the population moves out, the fabric is too dilute, and everything plunges. Imagine owing an $80,000 mortgage on a home of $15,000 (i.e. – $65000 net value).
If Detroit can fall from $100,000 to $15,000, why won’t expensive CA homes at $1M fall to $600K? The same forces are in play – men being strained too far.
KC Collins,
While we encourage women who have a genuine interest in fairness, sympathy is not what you need to be concerned about.
Your concerns should be that the massive costs of feminism, currently borne by men, are about to be transferred to women, for reasons that have been heavily explained here, but that are above the capacity of most women to understand.
Some women know this. Hence, we see women dividing along the ‘love Sarah Palin’ vs. ‘hate Sarah Palin’ line.
lllllll I am a nurse and work in an inner city emergency room where I will take care of many sick people, both male and female, who have no one else. Being the selfish cunt I am, it’s the least I can do. Happy holidays.
llllllllll
Do you do it for free?
”””””””’fedrz December 25, 2009 at 11:43 am
I think something has changed, regarding marriage & family, when the home ceased to be a place of economic production and became a place of consumption instead.
A few hundred years ago, your family was asset to you, even if they were miserable and a pain in the ass. The wife was making clothes, preparing food, caring for children, and then, worked beside you in the field to help the family survive.
As soon as children could, they were out on the farm doing chores, and helping to produce more for the family overall.
In other words, there once was a time that having a family meant that you gained something from the deal. A man with a wife and seven kids was able to produce more than a man who was alone.
””””””””””
It can still be this way. It is the mans job to make it so. The mans job to provide the leadership to shape the family in the image he sees fit. Not to make life easy as shit for everyone but give them the blocks so they can be free not a free ride.
KC Collins,
If one post containing one opinion from one person would make you dismiss an entire movement than it seems obvious you would never have been an effective ally anyway.
Do you do it for free?
pwned. Women think they are doing something tremendous that entitles them to rarified morality even if they are earning an inflated salary for it.
If one post containing one opinion from one person would make you dismiss an entire movement than it seems obvious you would never have been an effective ally anyway.
Agreed. She was looking for something to reinforce her preconceived notions.
This was a personification for the unsustainable white elephant that modern womanhood has become, and which market forces will soon topple.
***
I concur 100% which is why I honestly believe that unfortunately, they are too far gone.
Gramsci truly was an evil genius. Once you hijack the operating system the computer runs on autopilot. Just like Entitlement Feminism in 1WF (1st World Females). This generation and the next two are burnt like toast and as mentioned above–they don’t even see it coming.
Hate to be on that side of the fence when the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins…
Well, I think to be an evil genius you have to know that what you are doing is evil and to persist in doing it. I’m quite sure that Gramsci believed what he was doing was right.
There’s also the fact that he was diagnosing before he was prescribing. Pointing out the role that culture has always played, and will always play, as a fact of human society. From that point, yes, he made his own prescriptions (cultural Marxism etc.) But the diagnosis itself is profound (and non-partisan); look at how we ourselves have adopted Gramscian ideas.
John Nada,
One inescapable reality is that a culture with low fertility rates gets displaced by a culture with higher fertility rate VERY fast, and I mean like 40-50 years.
A 70 year old SWPL woman might have no grandkids, while a 70 year old Muslim or Mexican woman might have 10-12 grandkids. That is one hell of a ratio, from an equal 1:1 starting point at age 20.
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If you’re saying that MRM are adopting Gramscian tactics, if so I would imagine it being out of sheer pragmatism–they work!
However, I disagree with your assessment of Gramsci’s moral compass. I think you’re underestimating his “malevolent brilliance”. Why?
Remember, this is the man that sought to turn Western culture on its ear and to destroy its values (both political and religious) over the long haul through moral subversion, making “bizarre the new normal”.
Moreover, taking a quote from Tom Bryant, …Gramsci, in a shrewd mix of Machiavelli, Marx and Proverbs 22:6, advocated attacking the children through the schools in order to – Pied Piper-like – lead them into communism. Indeed, the label of “evil genius” is more than appropriate when applied to Gramsci.
The Fifth Horseman December 25, 2009 at 4:41 pm
John Nada,
One inescapable reality is that a culture with low fertility rates gets displaced by a culture with higher fertility rate VERY fast, and I mean like 40-50 years.
A 70 year old SWPL woman might have no grandkids, while a 70 year old Muslim or Mexican woman might have 10-12 grandkids. That is one hell of a ratio, from an equal 1:1 starting point at age 20.
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That is a HUGE ratio. All one needs to do to take a peek at the future is to examine the population pyramids of SWPL nations vs. developing ones. You can pretty much pinpoint on the map which ones will be the first dominoes to drop.
**shaking my head**
Well, I already own 2 homes in India. I just have to decide when to go there…
(there are drawbacks there too, of course).
The rural US, derided by SWPLs, has replacement-level birth rates, and will be the only surviving remnant of the ‘Western World’.
fedrz said:
Yeah, all fathers are great.
Read “A Rip In Heaven”. It chronicles the raw heroism of Tom Cummin’s father. When Tom was falsely… and absurdly….. accused of murder, Daddy did his best to deliver his child to death.
Let’s try not to be totally retarded. Many fathers live to welch as aggressively as they can, and abuse what power they have to the max.
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Ya know, I’m not a doom’n gloomer but I am pragmatic. A blind man can see the Balkanization of America taking place before our very eyes.
That being said, I hear Goa’s got some prime real estate. But with prices in the millions $$$ it’s a tad too rich for my blood. For now, anyway
Goa is overrated. It has a Portugeuse vibe, but that is it.
There is a looooooooooooong coastline aside from Goa.
Yeah, all fathers are great.
Read “A Rip In Heaven”. It chronicles the raw heroism of Tom Cummin’s father. When Tom was falsely… and absurdly….. accused of murder, Daddy did his best to deliver his child to death.
Let’s try not to be totally retarded. Many fathers live to welch as aggressively as they can, and abuse what power they have to the max.
My father is already dead.
And you are the retarded dickhead if that’s all you read out of it.
You are obviously a retarded ass who welches stupidity as aggressively as he can.
Wake up, moron.
The next time you insult the dead, I will actually start insulting you.
Basically, the dynamics of “family” are constant.
No matter how good you are.
Bill Gate’s kids are going to complain he let them down, and his wife will back them up with her own examples.
I am 39, and single with no kids.
When my Dad was 39, he moved us into a 2.5acre, lakefront home where we all had our own bedroom. We had a beach in our front yard, with a dock & diving board. There was ski-boat, and we are all good at waterskiing. I learned to ride dirtbikes and snowmobiles because there was always one parked in the yard. My brother and I are two of the most talented snowmobilers from our hometown – enough that the police consult us for search and rescue missions, and ask us to accompany them. (Heh, I am the better one, of course). We went to a private school. We had music lessons and played sports. We were educated well, and cared for ABOVE and beyond.
And we still complain.
It doesn’t matter how good you do, it will never be good enough.
He went above and beyond, and for those he did it for, it was still not good enough.
It never will be.
If you make $30,000/yr, or $300,000/yr, the dog barking at you tells you that you haven’t done good enough.
So, what really is, “good enough?”
Well, actually, it was merely putting food on the table and a roof over our heads.
That was all he agreed to.
I didn’t insult your father.
I’m insulting the “all father’s are great” rant. But if you THINK me insulting some guy who isn’t your father is insulting your father, maybe I should give you something to compare with it.
You father was a mamma’s boy dumb-ass who gave his life’s work to a dumb woman upon his death so that she could fritter it away as aggressively as possible. He did this because he was weak, and his children, and their children, will pay for his weakness.
Now, do you see the difference between my last post and this one?
When I went to college…. in the middle of nowhere with a male to female ration of 3 to 1… me and my brother shared an apartment with no air-conditioning and one twenty year old car. After school expenses were paid, we had enough to eat. Or mother went into debt the whole four years we were in college so that ends could be met. My father contributed what he had to or go to jail.
Around the time I graduated, my dear father made the unfortunate remark to my brother that he was now a millionaire.
I wonder if our stories are different, boy.
I didn’t say my dad was a dumbass.
He HELPED us go to college. But, no matter how much help, it was still rough. Like complaining that he would pay for tuition, but not spending money.
My Ph D sister complained that after she crashed her car, that when she was down and out, he only replaced it with a used one, rather than a new one.
Btw,
My old man thought I was a soft, dumbass slacker. And refused to pay for my college education, and made me pay myself. Lol! And guess what? I COMPLAINED! But he was damn right, I was a dumbass slacker, and paying my own way smartened me the fuck up.
He didn’t get where he did by not understanding people.
He wasn’t silver spoon stupid.
He actually understood far more things than I ever gave him credit for.
This is the second time you have insulted him, Interdickwad.
Now you have called him weak and manipulated and stupid.
Fuck you, dicklesswood.
You aren’t winning me to your way of thinking, asshole.
Btw, I got so angry at my Dad, that I played right into his hand.
I started doing jobs that WAY outearned anyone else – and I made my own way to spite him.
But yet, how smart was he to boot me in the ass like that?
I listen to Zed and AH for a reason. It is similar to realizing I would have been smarter to listen to older people’s wisdom, like my dad’s, a lot sooner, than a lot later.
I don’t like to admit it sometimes, but, sometimes I should shut up and listen. It still plays true today. My dad taught me that.
Two ears, one mouth.
I would have been smarter to listen to older people’s wisdom
It depends WHICH older people. Not all people zed’s age are like zed.
Quite often, older men are often the ones pressuring younger guys to a) get married and b) buy a house despite your better judgement. Both actions will lead to ruin in this day and age.
Plus, in a dispute between you and your woman, they will be quick to whiteknight her, and take her side.
They are a large part of the problem.
Yep.
Listening to older people got me screwed good and hard. And a few of them sure did take my ex’s side and do their best to ruin me in the process. I have never met bigger suckers for blubbering young women than old men. Some of those rotten old bastards are damn lucky I can exercise restraint, but one thing I’ll say for sure is that I won’t lift a finger when the current crop of boomers rots in “managed care” institutions. It’s an unfortunate sentiment, but unless they’ve individually proven otherwise, I see them as the problem.
Zed and AH aren’t the only Boomers round in society.
I said their names for a reason.
Choose wisely.
Writing to you is proof of sincerity?
I shaved my head because of an older man, who told me to smarten up and stop punking around hiding baldness. He said he went through the same thing, and then… he freed himself….
He was one of the boldest, most confident men I have ever known.
I’m glad I listened.
He was right.
It’s weird – they pressure guys to get married, and then buy a house. What is in it for them, other than to convince themselves that their own life’s actions were not a total waste, that they somehow got something out of maintaining their own white elephants for 40 years?
Yet, when it goes bad, they are programmed to whiteknight, in the most disgusting fashion. Sure, they come from a generation of ‘chivalry’, but yet they rationalize even basic wrongdoings.
That is why I think feminism will somewhat weaken once the current crop of oldies goes away. The ‘whiteknighting’ factor is a major component of feminist power..
Saw my favorite cousin on Christmas, and his gf is pregnant. His parents, my parents – all the older folks – are telling him to get married and buy a house. Right in front of his gf, who I actually think is OK, I said “don’t do it.” I told him that if he really wants to have some legitimacy, he can get married “under God” in a church, but he should not to sign the state contract under any circumstances. I was also quite clear about not buying a house right now. I mentioned the rental calculator, and the fact that his money will be far better spent invested than sucked down into the money-pit of home ownership. You can rent a house in Seattle for 1/300th of the house’s price per month, and you shouldn’t buy until rent approaches 1% of price/month.
If that kid doesn’t get married, he’ll do OK, even with children. His gf will never have any financial motivation to leave him, but plenty to stay (his family is a lot wealthier than hers). I don’t know why my uncle and aunt don’t understand this.
Wait, so ‘family’ court only applies if you get a state marriage license?
What if there is no license, but he marries ‘under god’, she changes her last name, etc? Can’t the divorce lawyer then claim that normal divorce laws apply?
What about a couple that marries overseas, gets a marriage license overseas, and then comes to the US? That still counts as under the US ‘family’ court jurisdiction, no?
Child support can be applied, but your assets are safe, and no alimony — so far (they are working on changing that in Canada and Australia).
Another HUGE bonus is that she can’t pull the “I’m afraid of him” TRO to get you permanently removed from your own house at gunpoint, because she has no legal right to live in the house if you want her out. At best, she could buy herself a couple weeks in the house with a TRO, and if she trashed the house she’d be held liable (you’d want to be insured, of course).
I think common law marriage is only still upheld in Texas.
Not sure about that one. Probably depends on the country, e.g., polygamous marriages wouldn’t count here. You probably have to register as married in the state when you return anyway.
Not to turn this into a legal Q&A, but,..
a) So not signing the document makes a man free of everything except child support? How are things like the house divided?
I think common law marriage is only still upheld in Texas.
So the ‘family’ court still ultimately decides that she gets money, even if you didn’t sign the license, and married ‘under god’.
Somehow, I don’t think it is that easy to avoid the ‘family court’ guidelines of asset division. Lawyers would not allow such an easy way to bypass the system.
Yes. Whoever owns the house keeps the house. An unmarried girlfriend has no more rights to her lover’s assets than I have to yours.
Here’s wikipedia on common law marriage in the US.
Looks like it’s 11 states, but Texas makes it easier and more formal than the others.
BTW, it is that easy to avoid asset division. Just don’t get the damned marriage license.
@ John Nada,
Indeed, this is what I was getting at. e.g.
“Once you hijack the operating system the computer runs on autopilot.”
- which is a great way of putting it – and sounds rather Gramscian to me!
We need not agree with his goals in order to appreciate his analysis. We can abstract his analysis from his ideology. The prominence of culture in relation to economic base is taken for granted by many philosophies which have nothing in common with Marxism! Such as the MRM.
That’s quite right.
But I don’t believe he thought that he was doing evil.
I believe that he thought he was probably doing good.
My definition of evil would necessarily include awareness of one’s own negative impact, and continued efforts to bring this about. I’m saying that Gramsci probably believed that Gramsci was doing the right thing. We can think of him what we may, regarding his ideology – wrong, bad for people, etc. – but ‘evil’ suggests malevolent intentions. I would wager that Gramsci believed his moral subversion would, in the long run, reap a net benefit to humankind, even if we don’t.
That should be a warning to the Foreign Brides enthusiasts.
While Brazilian women may be more feminine and pleasant, they are no less obscure in theyr ways than any other woman. Marry her, bring her to america, and you will have the same problems you’d get with an american women. And that is because you can change your national preference as for women, but american law will remain the same, and will aply to your foreign bride. So whats the diference?
If you ever come to Brazil, as a foreigner from a rich country, your dating prospects are very good. But thats that. You are most likely to get yourself a 3rd world god digger if you marry one of them. Once in america, she is likely to learn all the ways she can get the most benefit from her new situation. Very empowering: for her. You would be an honorary feminist for doing that. ahhahaha
To the eyes of a brazilian woman, an american man is an easy target. Chivalrous (easy to fool), gentle (eager to spend money on her), and soft (likely to get cheated with a local caveman).
Back to David’s issue:
Like Marcos said, in Brazil the kids stay with the father, not the grandma, if the mother dies. Her letter is pure bull crap.
The adoptive father, wich is the lover of the boy’s mother, is a famous and rich lawyer. Every turn he won in this case, is more fame to him. And better business.
wow December 25, 2009 at 12:21 pm
“If we wanted sympathy we’d look in the dictionary between shit and syphilis!”
We have a winner for post of the article….man, I so laughed at this.
KC Collins December 25, 2009 at 11:16 am
Gents, you will notice that KC did NOT answer the question would she sit on a jury…unless I somehow missed it. So no. Women like her have no place in the MRA movement. Nor does any woman. The only place they have is incarcerating women who commit crimes. If they will not do this they are wothless in my opinion…and I am entitled to my opinion.
KC Collins December 25, 2009 at 11:16 am
Notice how KC pulled all the normal feminst techniques…
Lets try a little shaming….lets ask irrelevant questions…lets say I will keep my boys away from this movement…..yeah, because she does not want to reveal what a lying cunt she is…..
We are indeed devolving back into savagery and barbarism because of men being stripped of any meaningful role in either the family or society, other than disposable worker bees. As men, we should not lift a finger to save this decaying civilization, we should destroy it from within and without, and replace it with one that serves the interests of the family. It wouldn’t take much, just disappearing and going elsewhere would do the job because the Satanist and feminist society will destroy itself with it’s own evil and excesses.
OK Globalman, let me give you a little more ammo, because clearly whatever I say will be more proof of my cunt-status. Did you say you were estranged from your entire family, including your son? I can’t imagine why…you are such a classic example of a petulant baby egomaniac who sees everyone who disagrees him as the problem, while he (or she because certainly women do this too) is the put-upon victim. I’m sure you have had no part whatsoever in the demise of your family. I notice someone above asked you if women needed to write to you to prove their sincerity, but you didn’t respond…interesting. And yes, I do get paid for being a nurse, because I need to contribute to the household income, but I have chosen a job that pays me and also gives back to society. I guess if women don’t work they are lazy greedy cunts and if they do work they are whiny complaining whores so it doesn’t really matter what I say.
Snark, you commented that I would dismiss an entire movement because of one person’s comment so I couldn’t have been that interested anyway. Let me clarify – I remain interested in equal rights and responsibilites for all people, men and women, and always will be. I came here to leave a comment and browse the site a little, and this is what I read:
“I’d like to address the misconception that The Spearhead is an “MRA” (Men’s Rights Activist) site. It is not, and I’d like to explain why, and to give a couple hints to activists.
First, let me explain what The Spearhead really is. It is a men’s magazine. It is a place men and interested women can visit to read about issues, news, opinion and interests that are relevant to men and the male experience in the West — the Anglosphere in particular.
The Spearhead is cultural in nature — it aims to influence the cultural dialogue by offering the opinions and observations of ordinary men and supportive women. It also strongly encourages the participation of readers in comments and letters to the editor, which will soon become a feature. ”
Sound familiar to anyone? It was posted on your website by Welmer on Oct 16th, 2009. When I left some comment and left a wish for people to find some peace in the New Year, I was called a lying cunt and told sympathy lies between shit and syphillis (good one dude! You told that cunt – virtual high fives all around!) I wonder if this what Welmer had in mind when he posted that. But what kind of interested or supportive women with any shred of sanity (I know many of you think no woman has any sanity so just skip this part if it scares you) would choose to support a movement where the participants are so hostile, confrontational, misogynistic and juvenille. (Oh he called me a cunt, my favorite word! Let me put all my time and energy into helping him!!)
Call me what you want, but this is what I am – a 42 year old woman, married for 15 years, a nurse, a mother of two beautiful boys, ages 7 and 11. I found this site on a google search about David Goldman, who by the way is a friend of a friend and has many times over expressed immense thanks to the many women who have stood by him and helped him through this long ordeal. He has not taken his devastating experience with several bad women and projected it onto the entire female population. I have great relations with my sons, my husband, my brothers, my father, my friends, etc. In fact my brother, a father of 4, is going through a very painful divorce right now and I am more interested than ever in the rights of fathers regarding child custody, property division, etc. I will continue to seek information and engage in “cultural dialogue” (quote Welmer) in places where it is possible, but this does not seem to me to be that place.
”””””’ I remain interested in equal rights and responsibilites for all people, men and women, and always will be.”””””
So as usual your not interested in people being free to make their own descisions but they must be told what to do and what to think and what their responsibilities are. Then laws must be put in place to make sure people are equal rather than letting them be equally free to be able to pursue happiness in their own ways without your all knowing intervention.
What makes you think I claim to have all knowing intervention? I certainly said nothing to that effect at all, nor would I support a system that tells people what to think. What does this have to do with what I said?
This is a good point and some people need to take note.
Not really snark if ya look through historic remarks you can see that most men melt in the hand or comments of woman like putty. he he he
Why they got in trouble in the first place.
”””” I remain interested in equal rights and responsibilites for all people, men and women, and always will be.””””””
Your interested in putting you nose into everyones business to tell them how they should be equal or what responibilities they have.
How are you going to have the same rights and responsibility as bill gates?
You won’t.
”’I certainly said nothing to that effect at all, nor would I support a system that tells people what to think.””””’
And telling people what responsibility they have is telling them what to think isn’t it. Of course it is.
I’ve thought about this, and I’m not sure women’s support is even a good idea. Guys instinctively sympathize with women when they come into conflict with men, and women would call for moderate measures rather than radical ones. We don’t need to be moderate now, and we don’t need divisions brought in by women. If women are to support our goals, it has to be as an auxiliary movement, done on their own initiative and separate from our efforts. I’m willing to accommodate that, but I don’t think it would be a good idea to force guys to be “nice” so that women can feel comfortable on our turf. Doing that is actually what led to women taking over our institutions and dominating them to our great disadvantage.
So while I appreciate the sentiment, KC, you’re on your own here. If you want to engage the men here, you’re going to run into some hostility, and that’s simply going to become more of a reality for women across the West until we can remedy the injustices men face every day. In fact, expect it to get much worse in time.
KC: Yeah, there’s a few guys around here who acidly hate women. Most don’t, but if you expect us to Galahad around defending your honor it’s not going to happen. You’re perfectly capable.
For the larger question of whether we should be censuring extremists: if we take one of the most successful social movements of our time, feminism, as a model, then no. We should be censuring our moderates.
””””””’And yes, I do get paid for being a nurse, because I need to contribute to the household income, ””””””
For the record I love a woman. I just think that woman who are so dumb as to think they need to work to contribute to household income on an indefinite basis are pathetic.
I think woman need to be expected to rise to a higher bar than just helping society enslave them and their families. When you can make 8k a month as a couple but then have to worry about one of you losing your jobs because you won’t be able to afford regular bills. Then what did you win?
With help like that a guy doesn’t need enemies.
The fake “empowered equal woman” the trojan horse in every family.
You’re correct, I am perfectly capable to defend myself and neither expect nor desire anyone here to Galahad my honor. In fact, I’m not even remotely concerned with my honor or anyone’s perception of it.
Globalman posted several times how I hadn’t come back to address his posts which made me a lying cunt, so I did come back to address them. You also said that you don’t think women’s support is a good idea and that may be so, but certainly on this site you won’t be in any great danger of getting it so I wouldn’t worry about it.
As far as Gunslinger, you are free to be a misognyistic radical extremist/anarchist or whatever other name you like to go by, good luck getting anyone to care.
KC Collins,
There is no such thing as an ‘empowered woman’. Every feminist who thinks she is ‘empowered and confident’ is heavily dependent on an economy and infrastructure maintained by men, on the state to seize alimony and ‘child support’ under the threat of imprisonment, and on men generally agreeing to maintain a level of safety in society in which women can go outside alone.
So ‘feminists’ never stopped being heavily dependent on men. They know it too (which is why they are so bitter).
I did not mention the term “empowered woman” one time, nor did I refer to it, I think your comment is better directed at other posters.
KC Collins,
Exactly what do you seek to learn about from coming here?
Based on that, you should begin with reading the appropriate articles from the archives, rather than participating in the comments.
“”"”And yes, I do get paid for being a nurse, because I need to contribute to the household income, but I have chosen a job that pays me and also gives back to society.”"”"
I laughed.
So, which JOB doesn’t give back to society? Oh, but your working and being payed for it certainly must be “giving back to the society” to a degree WORTH mentioning now isn’t it. You deserve to be lauded over for your contribution!
You’re a special pussy after all.
I say this because I’ve never in all my interaction with tradesmen(and me being one as well) ever heard them mention anything about them choosing their job on the grounds that they were payed for it AND because it “also gives back to society”.
But yeah you’re a special pussy going out of your way. Your contribution is noted.*ticks off box – giving back to society – $520 added to the account next pay day*.
BTW my mother was a nurse in her youth and i never heard her utter that line.
”””””””There is no such thing as an ‘empowered woman’. Every feminist who thinks she is ‘empowered and confident’ is heavily dependent on an economy and infrastructure maintained by men, on the state to seize alimony and ‘child support’ under the threat of imprisonment, and on men generally agreeing to maintain a level of safety in society in which women can go outside alone.””””””””””’
Yea fifth you just had to insert equal with empowered to see the truth and yea that paragraph in on point.
I must have hit close to the mark on the 8k a month and no spending money and still worried about bills. lol
You deferred to just saying things that are just dumb.
Can’t get under my skin I am free of the debt machine and so is my wife.
She didn’t have to work on christmas in fact she doesn’t have to work on any day she doesn’t want to lol Ya know free, empowered through herself, equal. It didn’t even take any special laws to make her that way or anyone with their goody twoshoes intentions to make her equal to men. She just is through her and my work and no interference from anyone.
So, which JOB doesn’t give back to society? Oh, but your working and being payed for it certainly must be “giving back to the society” to a degree WORTH mentioning now isn’t it. You deserve to be lauded over for your contribution!
I bet the state workers that jail men who lost their jobs for ‘child support’ arrears also feel that their job ‘gives back to society’.
Female narcissism is over the top at this point.
Of course, pointing that out makes you a ‘misogynist’. However, once men learn not to take what women say at face value, then the fact that they are one-trick ponies simply hurl the same 3-4 words, with no capacity to debate in good faith, then the whole illusion of female morality crumbles..
Women have a HUGE amount to lose by being held to adult levels of responsibility and accountability.
Fifth interesting hearing you bought two houses in india looks like you changed your mind about just how bad it is eh.
That charlie shit is like foreshadowing of just how bad it is gonna get. When your a millionaire and can’t get bail wtf is it gonna be like for a normal guy.
Although two of the chicks the chick I am living with knows every time they have their men over they call the cops at some point. I guess if your a black man you don’t automatically get arrested they just escort you away from the house. Wierd shit. I guess it is only when you have something to lose that they auto arrest and fuck up your life. Both chicks on welfare getting free shit from daddy government after they got the kids from the dads lol
Fifth interesting hearing you bought two houses in india looks like you changed your mind about just how bad it is eh.
Well, I’ve had them for a while, long before I became aware of any of this. I never thought I would consider moving there before retirement age, though.
I am still not close to pulling the trigger on going there (there are problems there too, and most migration is still in one direction).
It takes a LOT to put kids against their fathers. Both boys and girls adore their dads.
Yes, it is Gramsci to blame. Marxism is alive and well and these things happen on purpose. See:
http://www.henrymakow.com
http://www.olavodecarvalho.com/english
Sorry, the link is:
http://www.olavodecarvalho.org/english
the man knows a lot about Gramsci.
Snark December 26, 2009 at 4:51 am
That’s quite right.
But I don’t believe he thought that he was doing evil.
I believe that he thought he was probably doing good.
My definition of evil would necessarily include awareness of one’s own negative impact, and continued efforts to bring this about. I’m saying that Gramsci probably believed that Gramsci was doing the right thing. We can think of him what we may, regarding his ideology – wrong, bad for people, etc. – but ‘evil’ suggests malevolent intentions. I would wager that Gramsci believed his moral subversion would, in the long run, reap a net benefit to humankind, even if we don’t.
***
Fair enough. We can agree to disagree.
I’ll simply say repeat the old maxim: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Antonio Gramsci was an extremely intelligent man; a brilliant philosopher and tactician. He definitely knew right from wrong.
So I think in this case it’s a matter of listen to what they say but watch what they do. And it’s safe to say that his “Long March Through The Culture” was a smashing success in more ways than one.
WONDERFUL! It’s about time. I remember when I first heard about this whole thing….no father (or parent period) and child should have to go through something like that. But tragically, they do.
Of course the maternal grandmother failed to mention how her daughter just left her husband, fled the US to be with the other guy, all the while keeping the child from having barely any contact with his father.
I really wished the mother lived so she could explain herself with whatever ridiculous excuse she had.
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Sage,
KC mentioned getting paid because she was asked about it by Gunslinger.
GM called all women selfish, KC mentioned that she was a nurse among other things, and like I said, Gunslinger asked whether she was getting paid for it.
Via Drudge, now NBC is being called-out for supposed “Checkbook journalism” for spring for the plane tickets to get father and son reunited. NBC blasted for checkbook journalism on David Goldman story
Smells a bit of sour-grapes by feminist influences who are upset about a father gaining custody of his son, IMHO
Ugh, this makes me sick. Neither the mother OR the father deserve to have anything to do with their child.
The mother was selfish in the first place for obvious reasons.
Now, the father doesn’t give a fuck that his kid spent his entire life with his maternal (wife’s) family…..has friends there….a life there…. and wants to take him away JUST because he thinks he “owns” him and therefore has “rights” to take him.
What about what’s best for the kid? This father deserves a good punch in the face for retaliating against his ex…..through his own flesh and blood.
It’s just like when divorcing parents put each other down and talk about the OTHER parent to the children or in front of the children. It’s disgusting. The people in this story are BOTH disgusting pieces of shit and should have their child forcibly removed from BOTH of their care and placed with either the Grandparents or a better family who won’t USE him as a weapon.
Just disgraceful that some of you are championing EITHER side of this child’s trauma.
You all joke and say that “feminists” (I use quotes because clearly most of you don’t know what a feminist even IS) always say it’s “for the children” …..and in truth it’s “for themselves”.
This “father” is no different. It’s for him, himself, and HE.
This poor child has never seen even ONE day of real parental love in his entire life and anyone “picking a side” in this should be ashamed of themselves.
One more serial killer to add to the bunch, I guess.
LR: Are you promoting that all women should have license to kidnap their children from their biological father? How do you think women will fare if this were to become epidemic?
Can you please refer to the part of my post where I said anything CLOSE to that?
I believe what I said is that BOTH parents are assholes. NEITHER deserve to have custody of that child. NEITHER cares one bit what is “good” for their child.
They have used and are continuing to use that child for their own “win” against their ex. No parent with any REAL love in their heart for their child would intentionally RIP them from the life that they had known…..and expect them to handle it well, be happy, or even grow into a “normal” adult.
There is no adult on earth who can deny that BOTH of these parents CLEARLY care NOTHING about their child, what’s good for him, or even what is morally right.
The father is a piece of shit and does not deserve custody. The mother is just as bad. That’s exactly what I said the first time…..and I don’t believe for a second that you actually “misread” my entire post enough to say something THAT stupid to me.
That’s like when parents give up their child for adoption by choice…..let the child be raised by two OTHER parents who loved them, raised them, and paid for them…..and then change their minds 15 years later and selfishly RIP the child away from the only family they’ve ever known based on “original biological rights”. The truth is that those people are just selfish assholes who care nothing about the child and see them as an “object” to own.
The parents in this story are clearly the same. The mother should have been prosecuted and the father should never have been allowed to forcibly TAKE him back. The child is the one who ends up punished in all this for the game his mother originally played with his life…..and the game that his natural “father” is now playing.
LR: Sorry, but you’re clearly drinking copious alcohol. The father fought for 5 years to get his son back…she is DEAD???? She kidnapped him to Brazil….then died…..she should have been forced to give the child back to the father originally when she kidnapped him, prior to her dying!
The maternal grandparents should reimburse the father for every dime he spent trying to get his son back.
Lady Raine said:
Do you honestly think you can fool us into believing you’re being objective and fair-minded, just because you trash the wife? You are not being objective and fair-minded, and we are not fooled.
Your real target is the husband and father, who had every right to get his son back. You viciously attack him with such uncontrollable spite, even though you are totally ignorant of the facts.
Your views on this matter are utterly worthless, and reveals a deep-seated bitter resentment towards men — probably because of serious personal problems of your own involving men, which you’ve related in another thread. It’s fairly obvious that you are neither capable nor competent to discuss this issue in a rational, calm, and intelligent manner. The fact that you are a woman also doesn’t help either.
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