Male Unemployment and Crumbling Infrastructure

by Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech on December 16, 2009

MenWorkingLarge-300x300By now you have already heard about the “mancession”, and you know that men are disproportionately losing their jobs compared to women in this recession.  Since the official unemployment rate in the US is already in the double digits, President Obama did the only thing he knows how to do: talk, by holding a jobs summit.  All that came out of the jobs summit was undeniable proof that all the attendees at the summit should probably be unemployed.

Originally, the “stimulus” (which was supposed to keep the official unemployment rate well below its current level) was supposed to be spent on infrastructure.  The I-35W Mississippi River Bridge collapse in Minnesota in 2007 and the DC Metro crash earlier this year in June (which was also covered by our own Roissy on his personal blog) showed that spending on maintaining current and building new infrastructure has been insufficient for a long time.  The stimulus would have been a good opportunity to begin to correct this massive error as solid infrastructure is necessary for long term economic growth (not to mention safety), but womens’ (such as NOW) groups objected.  They called the original stimulus “burly”, “macho”, and “sexist” demanding that the stimulus be spent on women.  This was despite the fact that millions of men were losing their jobs, and education and health care added jobs primarily benefiting women.  NOW and the other womens’ groups were successful with the stimulus was skewed towards education and health care leaving infrastructure in the same dangerous state it was before.  In addition the gap between male and female unemployment is the largest in the history of unemployment data going back to 1948 when such data began.

This “women oriented stimulus” along with other things has caused the federal deficit for this year to surpass 1.8 trillion dollars, far beyond the deficit of any previous year.  This causes more men to be unemployed since this massive federal debt is sucking capital out of the private sector which destroys jobs.  Literally, there is no capital for new business creation and business expansion that would create jobs.  Given all of the other factors here, effectively the stimulus and other ballooning government spending is causing millions and millions of more men to be unemployed.  At least if the stimulus was spent on infrastructure jobs doing badly needed work would be created that would have provided a solid foundation for long term economic growth.  Instead we have infrastructure that continues to crumble plus more and more men losing their jobs.

Since government policy is now driving the problems of male unemployment and crumbling infrastructure, only a significant change in government policy will solve these problems.  Until then millions more men will become unemployed and there will be more bridges collapsing, metro crashes, electrical grid failures, and other disasters that should never have happened.

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MarkyMark December 16, 2009 at 03:26

From where I sit, business is good. I’ve been working overtime for months, and it appears that there will be no letup any time soon. The economy, from where I sit in high tech manufacturing, is getting better; a recovery IS underway. If the gov’t would just get the F*&k out of the way, things would get a lot better a lot sooner! Unfortunately, with the bunch of socialists & communists in Washington, I don’t look for that to happen. Thomas Jefferson said it best: the government that governs best, governs LEAST. It was true then, and it’s still true today.

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Meistergedanken December 16, 2009 at 04:34

As a practicing structural engineer, it seems everywhere I look there is a looming disaster. You also might have mentioned the recent closing of the Lake Champlain and Oakland Bay bridges for unforeseen levels of deterioration. And in Ohio, where I live, every winter there are [urban] stories of 70-80 year old pipes bursting, creating large craters and flooding streets. Cleveland had to close a major intersection last year for a week or so, and Columbus actually had to shut down its convention center when something similar happened. One might say that the state of the nation’s infrastructure is a corporeal metaphor for how men and the services they quietly and reliably supply to society are taken for granted. And like anything that remotely smacks of technology, women don’t care how it works, find it boring, don’t want to pay for it or help maintain it, they just want it to perform flawlessly whenever they want. Reality, however, is surprisingly resistant to their demands.

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Snark December 16, 2009 at 04:39

NOW seriously channelled funds intended to counteract mass male unemployment into programmes for women?

Holy fuck.

How long left until we actually do something about this?

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mr mike December 16, 2009 at 05:05

you gotta wait until a bridge collapses onto a bus with feminists in it, before they start yelling at men for not having done anything to prevent it.

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Black&German December 16, 2009 at 05:18

My parents are both bureaucrats for the Federal government. They, and all of their colleagues, have been given cushy raises this year. Your tax dollars at work! LOL.
Actually, the Fed is struggling with the retirement of 30% of its workforce.

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Novaseeker December 16, 2009 at 06:10

NOW seriously channelled funds intended to counteract mass male unemployment into programmes for women?

Holy fuck.

How long left until we actually do something about this?

They have organized political muscle especially with democrats, and they deploy it.

What do we have? Nada. Rien. And, in fact, we have tons of men like John Podesta financing papers like AWN which are explicitly trying to capitalize on the mancession and use it as a springboard for further feminist-inspired mandated workplace changes. Kicking men when they’re down? Yep. And gleefully, too, it would seem.

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Nope December 16, 2009 at 06:19

The real reason for infrastructure decline is that private corporations and their cronies in government want to make infrastructure another “public-private partnership” situation similar to utilities, telecommunications, military contractors, etc.

They’re letting infrastructure deteriorate so deeply, that the broke gov’t has no choice but to “lease” infrastructure to private corporations, who reap reliable profits from both tax dollars and fees such as tolls. Private corporations salivate over the possibility, as they get a massive, and relaible, profit center handed to them that they spent nary a penny to build.

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Cloud December 16, 2009 at 06:19

This country doesn’t care about us.

Every man in the army needs to leave right now.

Let the feminists go out there and fight for this bullshit.

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David Brandt December 16, 2009 at 06:20

Implosion. To all my fellow men, it is obvious that we are not wanted nor needed. I’m GTFO before it happens completely which by all appearances doesn’t seem to far down the pike. I have a good friend who is a physician–saw this coming several years ago and left the country.

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djc December 16, 2009 at 06:27

It will all come crashing down soon. And it won’t be pretty.

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Paul December 16, 2009 at 06:54

I am not expert in economics but I read very widely people who think they are. If they are correct then there is much worse to come and it can not be avoided. However, even from my none expert perspective I can see there is something terribly wrong with the idea that what constitute the economy is spending. Surely what should constitute the economy is production. However the madness is in place and it has been decided that the solution is to give money to women who will then spend it. This we are told will save us all.

Don’t worry boys you can always join the surge. Make yourselves useful and do some killing for the state.

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Krauser December 16, 2009 at 07:07

Paul, read Mish.

http://www.globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com

And try the online edition of Economics in One Lesson. http://jim.com/econ/contents.html

Economic logic is all-purpose and hasn’t changed in millenia. And yes, much worse is coming. All the stimulus achieved was to exacerbate the imbalances that caused this mess, postponing it a little while and making the crash heavier.

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Kevin K December 16, 2009 at 07:37

As Steve Sailer and others point out, its pretty difficult to stimulate in the short term on infrastructure projects because they take years of planning and lots of red tape in the form of regulations and labor restrictions. I’m sure everyone lives near a highway project that has been going on for 10+ years. Democrats represent organized labor and would require the multitude of work rules for all these projects to get started. Aside from the NOW lobbying, its just much easier just to throw $20 billion at NIH in challenge grants to buy some new computers, centrifuges, hire post-docs or whatever.

The labor movement can be seen as a men’s right organization at least in the workplace. Its been taking a beating for a long time not from feminists, but from Republicans and southern Democrats (like Clinton). In the long term globalization and free market values may be better for men, but in the short term the weakness of the labor movement means that pink and white collar lobbies can eat their lunch in congress.

The deficit is mostly because of the national dependence on the financial industry to pay the bills. When they take a nosedive, tax revenues follow. The country is just going to have to find some new ways of making money.

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Charles Martel December 16, 2009 at 07:49

@Meistergedanken

the state of the nation’s infrastructure is a corporeal metaphor for how men and the services they quietly and reliably supply to society are taken for granted

Brilliant! An inspired insight!

@Black&German

My parents are both bureaucrats for the Federal government.

I have heard that middle management of the Federal Government is predominantly made up of minorities – black, female or both. I would be interested to hear whether you think this is true and whether it has any implications for the Federal Government’s attitudes towards white men.

I was shocked to read that the average federal salary is now $71,260, almost $31,000 more than the comparative average private-sector wage. This is disgusting, obscene, had me immediately reaching for my pitchfork.

I am pessimistic. The dark forces of feminism, socialism and big government will bring us all very low.

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Rebel December 16, 2009 at 07:50

“Implosion. To all my fellow men, it is obvious that we are not wanted nor needed. I’m GTFO before it happens completely which by all appearances doesn’t seem to far down the pike. I have a good friend who is a physician–saw this coming several years ago and left the country.”

Leaving may very well be the only alternative for men.

Right after WWII, Italy went through a long period of high unemployment. Millions of men left Italy for Germany, Belgium, Holland or America.

Now, the game is switching direction (although for a different reason) and men, once again are going to migrate to other places, leaving women and children behind.

I can’t blame men for leaving but at the same time, I don’t think women will benefit much from that.

Methinks that future America is going to be mainly farming country. Few inhabitants indeed are required to produce surplus food.

Patriarchy is moving… to China, India and Russia, while America will become the milking cow and the food reserve of the world.

The world out there is big. There are many opportunities abroad. Leaving one’s country can be a bit hard but one gets used to it quickly. Think about your own future above all else. Chose where you want to live , outside the Matrix and… well have a good life.

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Hestia December 16, 2009 at 07:56

They called the original stimulus “burly”, “macho”, and “sexist” demanding that the stimulus be spent on women
What nonsense! Do they not realize money spent on infrastructure would help women as well. Driving on bridges that are not structurally unsound (as at least 25% of bridges are now IIRC) is beneficial to everybody. The United States is literally rotting from within and something needs to be done to address the issue, though it likely won’t be anytime soon. As nope and several other commenters have pointed out, the issue likely runs deeper than just the mancession and feminists whining about how government funds could be spent in their favor.

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Meistergedanken December 16, 2009 at 08:10

@ Kevin K
“As Steve Sailer and others point out, its pretty difficult to stimulate in the short term on infrastructure projects because they take years of planning and lots of red tape in the form of regulations and labor restrictions. ”

Actually, that’s not really true, hence the emphasis, [at least for a few months, anyway] on “shovel-ready” projects. Anyone who has worked for a while in a design office environment knows that any major client will have projects deferred indefinitely until funding becomes available. In the past few years I have seen public universities, transit authorities, medical and research facilities and several federal institutions cancel, scale back or postpone projects – many while design was partially or even fully completed. All one would have to do is dust off the plans, go through the bid process and start building, and with “fast-track” construction the building could begin before the design is fully done. We’re talking a couple months lag here, for Christ’s sake. And that doesn’t even the “wish lists” that are always floating around. My older brother, who is a project manager for facilities development for NASA, told me that next year, instead of ten capital improvements projects [at Glenn Research Center] they have been approved for ONE. If the stimulus money had been redirected that way, a couple hundred million dollars worth of construction could be goin on in Cleveland right now. That doesn’t even count all the cities required by the EPA (some even under court order for several years!) to fix or update their water treatment/stormwater distribution networks that haven’t because the money just isn’t there. We could have people building stuff and helping the environment at the same time.

You make an interesting point with the mention of the “red tape and labor restrictions.” However, the government waives rules for banks and other firms all the time – the precedent has been set, so let’s waive some more. I do think it’s funny that you mention labor restrictions here, but then later in the same post you mention how it is Republicans et. al. who gave unions the shaft, when really they did it pretty well to themselves! “Aw Gee, we would do some infrastructure projects that would give you guys work, but because of the labor restrictions that you forced us to adopt, now it’s too much of a burden, so let’s not bother!” Ironic, that.

And as far as the deficit goes, one would think it’s gargantuan, society-threatening size has more to do with actually spending the money and getting those [big] bills, rather than quibbling over the way they are [partially] paid off.
Tail wagging dog. Cart before horse. Etc.

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Charles Martel December 16, 2009 at 08:16

@David Brandt

I have a good friend who is a physician–saw this coming several years ago and left the country.

I have already made one permanent change of country and may still do so again. For those here who have never lived outside the USA, I can tell you that the USA still offers one of the best qualities of live available anywhere, providing you make good choices.

Having said that, I would like to hear from men who have expated from the USA. This would make a good thread – Expat Stories – Describe Your Expat Life.

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Zammo December 16, 2009 at 08:17

“Do they not realize money spent on infrastructure would help women as well.”

When a bus full of women ends up in a river because of a collapsed bridge, there will be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth because “bad infrastructure hurts women hardest”. Of course, nothing will done because women stand little to gain directly if a bunch of men are hired to fix the bridge.

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Kevin K December 16, 2009 at 08:36

I do think it’s funny that you mention labor restrictions here, but then later in the same post you mention how it is Republicans et. al. who gave unions the shaft, when really they did it pretty well to themselves! “Aw Gee, we would do some infrastructure projects that would give you guys work, but because of the labor restrictions that you forced us to adopt, now it’s too much of a burden, so let’s not bother!” Ironic, that.

I also suspect this is because organized labor was behind Hillary and not Obama. Obama’s money came from Silicon Valley, Wall Street and white collar democrats.

Very interesting information about “shovel-ready” projects.

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Krauser December 16, 2009 at 09:17

Simple rule is you can’t stimulate one part of the economy without first unstimulating another part. It’s not about money (which can be printed) it’s about productive resources (which can’t).

Kinda obvious, but we like in a Keynesian rabbit hole.

Discussion here: http://jim.com/econ/chap14p3.html
http://jim.com/econ/chap06p1.html

“This argument will seem plausible only as long as we concentrate our attention on the particular borrowers whom the government supplies with funds, and overlook the people whom its plan deprives of funds. For what is really being lent is not money, which is merely the medium of exchange, but capital. … What is really being lent, say, [in Hazlitt's example] is the farm or the tractor itself. Now the number of farms in existence is limited, and so is the production of tractors (assuming, especially, that an economic surplus of tractors is not produced simply at the expense of other things). The farm or tractor that is lent to A cannot be lent to B. The real question is, therefore, whether A or B shall get the farm.”

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Tarl December 16, 2009 at 09:42

I was shocked to read that the average federal salary is now $71,260, almost $31,000 more than the comparative average private-sector wage. This is disgusting, obscene, had me immediately reaching for my pitchfork.

Dude, it’s not just Federal salaries. In this story about the housing bust, one example is a firefighter who makes $100,000 a year in frigging Palmdale, California. WTF? How is that possible in a sane world? Be that as it may, John Derbyshire is right when he says, kids, get a government job.

Right after WWII, Italy went through a long period of high unemployment. Millions of men left Italy for Germany, Belgium, Holland or America.

Now, the game is switching direction (although for a different reason) and men, once again are going to migrate to other places, leaving women and children behind.

So where are you going to go? Decent countries are even further down the tax and spend socialist rathole than the USA, and shithole countries are, well, shitholes.

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Tarl December 16, 2009 at 09:48

One point that is missed in the article and the discussion is that even a “stimulus” that was spent 100% on “infrastructure” would be wrong and counterproductive. Manly infrastructure or womanly schools and nurses, either way it is consumption and not investment (sorry, folks, neither infrastructure nor education is an “investment”, no matter how hard various lobbying groups try to convince us they are). Neither one will generate any wealth in the future. This is akin to a person who is out of work trying to decide between remodeling the kitchen and buying educational software for the kids. Neither option solves the basic problem, which is that you are out of a job.

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David Brandt December 16, 2009 at 10:14

Tarl
Ok, our manufacturing base is completely gone, we can’t compete with China and other countries with cheaper labor, etc. As far as other countries go, it depends on how you define quality of life. If you value male-friendly laws, women who come from a culture where men are respected, and extended families where older people are loved and cared for instead of shunted off to some fucked up facilities, that’s something I value. There are shitholes and places where community means just that, where people actually give a damn about each other. I haven’t seen much of that here in the good ole US, have you? And I lived in the 50′s, so I’ve been around awhile.

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Hestia December 16, 2009 at 10:24

If you value male-friendly laws, women who come from a culture where men are respected, and extended families where older people are loved and cared for instead of shunted off to some fucked up facilities, that’s something I value
Given the choice, I’d much prefer this to the consumer driven “American dream” that is quality of life here. I volunteered at a nursing home before our daughter was born and part of me died every time I heard these poor people share with me that their children didn’t come see them or how nice it was to have a young person come to help out with tasks that somebody who loved them should have been doing. I feel humbled to have had the opportunity to visit with these fine folks (I still exchange letters with several people I met there), but my heart was broken by the stories I heard and the things I saw. :(

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Reinholt December 16, 2009 at 10:56

I think Charles Martel makes a key point:

The US still offers an incredible standard of living and opportunity… to those who make the right choices. You have to see through many of the common pitfalls first. It’s easy to get screwed as well.

If you don’t, the upside is huge. But if you do, it may well be the case that there are many other places that subsequently offer a better deal.

As to infrastructure:

It’s the last thing anyone spends on, because it is an invisible, incremental game. Politicians exist to get re-elected, and you don’t get re-elected on doing the boring, smart thing. You get re-elected by making noise.

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Black&German December 16, 2009 at 11:45

Charles Martel,

Yes, any sort of minority status gets you extra points in the hiring process, as does previous government experience or military service. The supreme candidate would be black, female, disabled, and ex-military.

My mother has repeatedly made the point to us that we should work for the government as our salaries would immediately double.

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Black&German December 16, 2009 at 12:28

But the point isn’t mainly hiring. The point is that your pay and benefits are connected to your years of service, not to performance. So my mother (paper-pusher, albeit an efficient one) earns more than my father (head of an engineering department). And to hear the trouble they have dealing with delinquent and lazy coworkers and employees… *shudder*. No thanks.

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Hestia December 16, 2009 at 12:33

Reinholt-The US still offers an incredible standard of living and opportunity… to those who make the right choices. You have to see through many of the common pitfalls first. It’s easy to get screwed as well.
You are right; there is indeed much to be thankful about living in the United States. If we can see through the pitfalls and attempt to live our lives in a way to make rich the areas of life than tend to be so poor here (a lack of community, poor connections between the generations, lack of respect for the wisdom of the elderly, and so forth), life can be brighter than a good standard of living in strictly the material sense of the word.

If you are willing to sacrifice, stop making excuses and playing a victim, and so some hard work, you really can better yourself and increase your lot in life. For example, while my husband was still an enlisted man, we pinched pennies to become debt-free, began retirement investing when I was just nineteen and he was twenty two, put away a nice emergency fund, and looked into other investment opportunities. We’re not “rich” in the financial sense of the word but we’re doing far better than most people our age, including his military peers who earn the same amount of money. Despite the fact we could now live a much higher standard of living, we have only adjusted our budget to reflect my husband’s higher earnings now, as well as my own earnings through my little business ventures. My husband says we “live poor to one day be rich” and that we’re providing a better future for our daughter with money in the bank, rather than heaps of toys in her toy box. I wholeheartedly agree with him.

There are a few things that aren’t so easy to correct though, such as the anti-male laws and the general disregard and disrespect for men in this culture and the poor behavior of a majority of women. All of this frustrates me as life is much more challenging for so many people and sometimes seeing all the pain and strife caused by these problems is just too much to bear. So much so I want to sneak away with my family in the middle of the night to some expat paradise, but such an action would come with problems of its own, something I like to forget in my overly idealistic Pollyanna moments. ;)

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lurker December 16, 2009 at 13:08

I quibble. The collapse of the bridge in Minnesota was not due to failure to spend on infrastructure; the bridge was originally poorly designed, and destined to fall. It is, ahem, another example of the failure of government products. No amount of spending will make a house of cards stand up in a hurricane.

The DC Metro failed because it is publicly run. Once upon a time, subways in this country were run for profit by private enterprises, and ran very well. However, city officials used their power to gain control of the lucrative business and essentially put private rail out of business by putting it under government control—notoriously, NYC mandated that subways only charge a nickel long after inflation and track infrastructure required a much higher fair. The subway owners realized they couldn’t make a profit and sold the businesses to the cities—which always run a deficit, never run well, and are plagued by typical public and union corruption.

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RE : Hestia December 16, 2009 at 13:16

True.
Honestly I have very little to complain about. I make a nice middle-class living at a job that is really intellectually stimulating. I have lots of money in the bank and no debt. I have plenty of options of things i could do even if i lost my job tomorrow. I don’t have any kids, and I don’t want any. As far as women, frankly I couldn’t care less if I ever get laid again. I’ve been celibate for several years. It’s their loss, and it’s simply not worth sticking my hand in a bag of razor blades to find a dollar bill.

However, I do believe that we on this Earth have a gods-given responsibility to the higher angels of our nature, and that’s why I keep fighting. I am considering Expat-ing as well…

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Globalman December 16, 2009 at 13:18

Snark December 16, 2009 at 4:39 am
“NOW seriously channelled funds intended to counteract mass male unemployment into programmes for women?”
Um..where have you been dude? Pluto? They campained that “we need to build human bridges too”.

You guvment is crashing your economy so that when the chaos and marshal law sets in you will welcome UN troops onto the street and you will welcome the Amero to replace the now worthless dollar. What is happening in the US is one big psyop and it’s obvious to anyone who knows what is going on. I mean giving Obama the peace prize 8 days after he comes to office which is when the decision was made. How much more ludicrous does it need to get before people think….”Hey, maybe this is actually organised and not just chaos occurring.”

That there are STILL men here in a place like spearhead who don’t know about the Illuminati, their control grid, the plans for the New World Order etc is testimony to the Illuminati being correct that men are ignorant and want to stay that way. Really. There is no other way to say that.

If we get out of this mess…my vote is to run men only companies, with maybe a few tea ladies, and leave the wimmin in the economic dust. You will see that, just like children, when they are again totally economically dependend on men they will behave again. They won’t be better people. They will just do as they are told.

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Snark December 16, 2009 at 13:25

Um..where have you been dude? Pluto? They campained that “we need to build human bridges too”.

Actually, I’ve been … not in the US. So I missed this. LOL @ building human bridges too … I hope those abstract concepts carry them across rivers when the actual concrete bridges collapse.

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Globalman December 16, 2009 at 13:41

“Describe Your Expat Life.”
I don’t think the US ‘quality of life’ is anything like it is cracked up to be. I have lived there a number of times for work…the last time was 9 months in 2001-2. I was in New Jersey.

I have a small apartment in London near a client and a luxury 100sqm apartment in Germany. Between my apartment and client in germany, 500 meters, there is a great shopping center, a gym, a sports bar, a pizza place, a HOOTERS, the best chinese in town, a subways and a tram stop. I am 500 meters from the market place in the center of town. I have maids clean each apartment.

I am 1 hour from frankfurt airport so I can fly anywhere I please. I write software and sell it for a living. In a bad year I’ll make USD150K and in a good year USD300-350K or so. My normal living expenses are about USD50K. That basically means I have more money than I can sensibly spend. I have always been a frugal man anyway. But I do things like fly to Germany for the weekend just to get drunk with my mates so I am a little over the top on some things. I don’t know a man who is happier with his life than me at the moment. All my mates envy the hell out of my freedom. The few who have met the women I am dating envy the hell of me for that as well.

Commuting to work sucks. Owning a car sucks. Working for someone else sucks. I am very lucky that I have the opportunities I have but I did work hard to get them. Getting rid of my wife for only EUR300K or so was actually pretty cheap considering how much she cost me in the preceeding 20 years. At LEAST EUR1M if not more.

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Patrick December 16, 2009 at 14:06

Globalman, if you don’t mind me asking, what kind of software do you write?

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Nemo December 16, 2009 at 14:20

China is run by engineers. Eight out of the nine members of the Politburo Standing Committee are engineers. They exhibit classical male, left-brain thinking. They are building infrastructure to make China a modern nation, such as the Three Gorges Dam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_Standing_Committee_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China

The US is run by lawyers and bankers. Almost half (43.7%) of Congress has law degrees (236 out of 540 members). The President is a lawyer. Ben Bernanke was just named Man of the Year by Time magazine. There are the same number of engineers and scientists in Congress (three chemists, three physicists, a biomedical engineer, and a microbiologist) as there are on the Standing Committee, even though it has only nine members. Right-brain thinking and abstruse linguistic skills are the path to power in the US, not common sense or technical brilliance.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS22555.pdf

Which country would you choose if you were building a factory or a laboratory?

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Zammo December 16, 2009 at 14:32

Globalman, if you don’t mind me asking, what kind of software do you write?

And do you need a technical writer? ;)

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Re: Nero December 16, 2009 at 14:42

Nero-
According to a really interesting commentary I read recently, the Chinese government is aggressively developing university-level initiatives and economic incentives to encourage their businesses to be more creative, innovative, and right-brained. China knows they need to be more creative to become more than the world’s factory.

Meanwhile, U.S. universities are slipping and businesses are reducing their investments in innovation and R&D. The U.S. is failing to nurture the innovative thinkers that brought us to a dominant technological position.

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The Fifth Horseman December 16, 2009 at 14:52

Nemo is right.

The US has a great system occupied by terrible people presently.

China has an oppressive system occupied by brilliant people presently.

So which is better in current reality? That is a pretty good question….

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The Fifth Horseman December 16, 2009 at 14:54

The entire Democratic Party is lawyers, driven by the need to increase fees for lawyers, on everything from ‘family law’ to ambulance chasing to affirmative action mandates on employers. Almost every problem in America today can be traced to this.

To the extent that there are any non-lawyers in government, they are either Republicans or Independents/Libertarians.

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Globalman December 16, 2009 at 15:28

“Patrick December 16, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Globalman, if you don’t mind me asking, what kind of software do you write?”
Patrick,
I am sorry. I can’t tell you in such a public place. I am one of the top people in the world in my small niche.

Mostly it is C++. Because my main asset was my software and my brain, not my house, I am in far better shape than other men who get divorced. It comes in components starting from EUR20K up to EUR120K for a copy depending on what the client wants to buy. I do have to share some of that with others.

Someone mentioned work.
I am giving work to men off the private mens group I participate in. I now only give paid work to abused Dads. It costs me more but it is worth it.

One of the guys who has agreed to do work for me on the MySQL version tells me he even got the gun in his mouth with his finger on the trigger but just could not pull the trigger. I hope to be able to train him in my area of expertise and give him a new career that will last him for years to come. I have even invited him to come work with me in Germany as an understudy for a couple of years but he wants to be near his boy in the US. I can help just a couple of men at a time directly. In our private mens group I am asking them to think about helping men get work in their country. We are working on the idea of getting men out of their country and getting them started somewhere else.

There is one thing that I can not be accused of and that is not ‘walking the talk’. I am putting my money and time where my mouth is. I really don’t care what other people think of me.

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The Fifth Horseman December 16, 2009 at 15:38

Globalman,

You of all people, should consider living in India. The laws are nothing like the Anglosphere, and your profession gels nicely with the professional community you could connect to there.

Had you moved there BEFORE your divorce, she would have no legislative power over you. It is too late for that, but keep that in mind as a country that could fit your goals.

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Globalman December 16, 2009 at 15:44

Fifth,
I worked in Saudi Arabia for 15 months. My muslim friends have reminded me a few times that if I had a muslim my wife she would not have been so troublesome… ;-) I love Germany. I will never leave Germany.

Guys. One of the reasons I know the bad guys are real is that they offered me a job in their New World Order July last year. I was impressed because I had just moved and 5 people knew where I lived. They must have waited outside a client and tracked me to my local bar. You see, the skills I have, and the software I write? They have great applicability to some key things they need to do to make sure you people are properly enslaved. Since then I knew perfectly well these guys really exist. No question.

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Advocatus Diaboli December 16, 2009 at 18:27

Why do real work and innovation when we can make money by shuffling contracts around? Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

http://dissention.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/linkfest-december-16-2009/

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Tarl December 16, 2009 at 20:20

Ok, our manufacturing base is completely gone,

Sorry, but it hasn’t.

we can’t compete with China and other countries with cheaper labor, etc.

Sure we can. The leading exporters in the world are the EU, the USA, and Japan, none of which are low-wage countries.

As far as other countries go, it depends on how you define quality of life. If you value male-friendly laws, women who come from a culture where men are respected, and extended families where older people are loved and cared for instead of shunted off to some fucked up facilities, that’s something I value. There are shitholes and places where community means just that, where people actually give a damn about each other.

OK, so where are you talking about, specifically?

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iron clad December 16, 2009 at 21:39

Wanna take a ride, to what your son’s might need have as a basic skills suite for the ability to live well, well in new feiminst tomorrow-morrow land of USA 2025 ? http://www.mrsharkey.com/index.html. .Here’s where the fun begins!..an alternitive way to MGTOW..or even as a divorsee who has found himself , trapped, between a court and a hard-place…

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David Brandt December 17, 2009 at 00:21

Tarl
I concede your point after doing some research http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/06/1130/art1.html
However the US still has misandrist laws, feminism, i.e. “A Women’s Nation”, rampant unemployment, etc. There was at one time a certain basic respect and courtesy for others which does not exist anymore in any US city I’ve been to. Visit a few nursing homes and talk to the people there–not a good way to treat our elders. I don’t think Cebu in the Philippines is a shithole, nor is Germany (I have family there and in Austria). However if you want an example of a shithole, right now it would be the UK or Australia with their extremist misandrist laws.

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David Brandt December 17, 2009 at 00:39

Tarl
I grew up in Milwaukee, and my dad worked for a large aircraft manufacturing plant there. Now we have what people are referring to the ‘rust belt’. Some of the worlds most innovative technology still comes from the US which is why I must concede your point on that one issue. The quality of life in the US is better than many places only because of the work our fathers and grandfathers, etc. put into it. With the proliferation of high-paying do nothing jobs I don’t see the as a continuing trend. When I was in elementary, a boy’s behavior was expected to be different. Now they are attempting to drug those behaviors which are necessary for male development into oblivion because of feminist teachers. Is this good quality of life. No, it’s not. I could go on to list multiple examples, but they’ve been covered here on Spearhead and it would be redundant.

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iron clad December 17, 2009 at 05:26

Like globalman…I have recently started to provide ,a cell phone to a working buddy at work, who recently became divorse court-cannon foder. So I provided him a means to stay connected with his children, after hearing how he could not afford his own…at my expense, free to him…This move, is an attempt to to assist their daddy and his love for them…As I never tire, from hearing his devotion to them…I would help a wounded dog in the street, similarly, I help court wounded men, especially those who habitat, Volvos…We had figured his net take home paycheck to be a mere 19% after all the state fees, charges, penalties. Gov. Brooms , mops, and ironing board covers…involving his divorse…I had to help…not to do so, is condoning what the state does to us men, and I do not and I will not have an idle hand in such mutalations…I pray, other men will thru small,tiny, but helpful acts, start to help mend each other…I am not a wealthy man by any means, but my situation, as it exist now, is a stable one. I have in the past, earned enough reserves as a single male, to aid he and his children in a small, but very meaningful way…I very much “like” what it is I’m doing for my buddy and maybe some small way, myself as well. This is the first time in my life, I have ever volunteered to give support to another guy, long term…unsolicited…it is, and feels, proper and good…

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David Brandt December 17, 2009 at 05:34

Ironclad
I’m glad you’re doing this. I did it in the 80′s, and then became so involved with my son’s autism and fighting everyone from his physician to the school system while attempting to raise him and his sister that much of my entire focus went there. Now I have friends who are going through a literal hell, worse than anything I saw back in the 80′s, and I am doing my best to help them. Why? Because I know the pain they’re going through and I’m a compassionate person. So called ‘family court’ and it’s entire scam operations such as ‘anger’ therapy for bogus TROs simply to such as much money out of these guys as possible and prevent them from hiring a useless attorney pisses me off more than I can convey in words.

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wombat December 17, 2009 at 06:40

‘Tarl December 16, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Ok, our manufacturing base is completely gone,

Sorry, but it hasn’t.

we can’t compete with China and other countries with cheaper labor, etc.

Sure we can. The leading exporters in the world are the EU, the USA, and Japan, none of which are low-wage countries.

As far as other countries go, it depends on how you define quality of life. If you value male-friendly laws, women who come from a culture where men are respected, and extended families where older people are loved and cared for instead of shunted off to some fucked up facilities, that’s something I value. There are shitholes and places where community means just that, where people actually give a damn about each other.

OK, so where are you talking about, specifically?’

Two points:
1) USA manufacturing is largely inflated in price due to back-room dealings and corruption. If the USA says it manufactured x Million dollars of stuff, probably a big chunk of that is overpriced weaponry that is blown up into uselessness rather than exported.

2) Hong Kong is a very fun place, even if you don’t have a lot of money. Japan is fun if you have money. Vietnam, Thailand, and the Philippines are fun if you want to wear flip-flops and indulge in debauchery. Panama is a great place to start a company.

Etc.

The world is full of places that are more fun than the USA, if you’re a man.

If you’re a woman – well, stick to the USA, it’s more fun for you.

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Tarl December 17, 2009 at 09:53

If the USA says it manufactured x Million dollars of stuff, probably a big chunk of that is overpriced weaponry that is blown up into uselessness rather than exported.

From the standpoint of Joe Average, this is irrelevant. A well-paid, interesting job working for a military contractor is still a well-paid, interesting job from his perspective. He does not control what the customer does with his product, all he cares about is getting paid at the end of the week.

Hell, if they pumped the entire stimulus into the military-industrial complex, I’d be fine with that. That would be another form of “infrastructure”, and lots of men would have good jobs turning wrenches on the F-22 production line, or whatever.

Hong Kong is a very fun place, even if you don’t have a lot of money. Japan is fun if you have money. Vietnam, Thailand, and the Philippines are fun if you want to wear flip-flops and indulge in debauchery. Panama is a great place to start a company.

Leaving and cultural barriers would give me concern with respect to HK, Japan, and South Korea. (My white friends who taught English there said they felt like Negroes in the Jim Crow South.) As for Vietnam, Thailand, and the PI, never been there, but I suspect they meet my working definition of “shitholes”.

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Tarl December 17, 2009 at 09:57

If the USA says it manufactured x Million dollars of stuff, probably a big chunk of that is overpriced weaponry that is blown up into uselessness rather than exported.

Incidentally, the fact that military spending is about 4% of GDP, and a great deal of that military spending is on personnel rather than hardware, indicates that a very, very small fraction of US manufacturing is devoted to “useless military stuff”. On top of that, a lot of military hardware is, in fact, exported. One of the great hypocrisies in recent politics is Boeing yammering about “Buy American” on the new Air Force tanker when Boeing, like many other US companies, sells a crapload of military hardware to Europe every year.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada December 17, 2009 at 10:47

Tarl December 17, 2009 at 9:53 am

Leaving and cultural barriers would give me concern with respect to HK, Japan, and South Korea. (My white friends who taught English there said they felt like Negroes in the Jim Crow South.) As for Vietnam, Thailand, and the PI, never been there, but I suspect they meet my working definition of “shitholes”.

***
LOL, I used to think the same way. In fact, before my trip to Hawaii with my young son, I had people come out of the woodwork complaining that it was nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.

What load of bovine fecal matter that was!

My point is that you have to live life and see things for yourself. And if you’re not willing to step out of your comfort zone and have new growth experiences, well then it’s best that you stay in the bosom of the security mom , nanny-state “Woman’s Nation” plantation with a nice warm bottle of milk and a “blanky”.

For me, life is too short to hum along existing just another Human D Cell battery in the Matrix.

Freedom, whether real or perceived, ain’ t for everybody.

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Black&German December 17, 2009 at 10:56

Southern Germany, Switzerland, and Austria are very nice places to live because of their structure and traditionalism. In each country, large, anonymous cities are rare. Instead, most people live in towns and small cities. People also move around less than here, so they tend to know and care about their neighbors. It is the impersonal nature of large cities that leads to crime and debauchery.

Where I am from in Germany, the churches are packed on Easter and the Fasching (Mardi Gras) celebrations draw the whole neighborhood and the parade is full of people you personally know. If you get drunk at a fest, it’s not a big deal because your buddies or your cousin will drag you off home to sober up. If you leave your door unlocked, nobody robs your house because the little old lady next door makes the best security guard ever.

Remember all of those old people who died in the heat wave in Paris? Well, you notice that that didn’t occur in Freiburg or Lucern.

And there are places like that in America, as well. I’m living in one.

A few months ago one of the children in our town was diagnosed with cancer and his insurance wouldn’t cover the full cost of treatment. So the parents spoke with the mayor and he asked the volunteer firefighters to step up. They went door to door and canvased the entire town and managed to get so much money together they covered the kid’s medical costs (he’s doing better now, thank goodness) and that of 3 more kids in the ward, who’s parents are also struggling to pay their medical bills.

Our city’s food pantry was running low last month, so all of the churches (they run the pantry) mentioned it in their closings on the following Sunday. The pantry received so many donations the next week that they gave away most of it to neighboring towns; they simply ran out of space.

I could go on and on. It’s constantly like that here. And people have become even more generous lately because of the down economy. Fewer people are paying in but each family is donating a larger amount. This is why subsidiarity works so well.

And most of the elderly dependent here don’t live in nursing homes, they live with their families. Those SAHM-leeches you all are always complaining about don’t just raise their children. They often turn around and care for their older relatives, as well. I know of some who are caring for both simultaneously. And those that are working have formed a co-op adult center here where their elderly spend the day and they pick them up on their way home from work. This is a big help for those with severely disabled dependents (such as dementia) who cannot be left alone.

When we moved in here, within a week all of our immediate neighbors had wandered over to introduce themselves and offer their assistance. If they get a truckload of wood to chop, they just holler over the fence and my husband goes to help them. He needed to move the fridge so he just hollered back over the fence and they came to help him. Need to borrow a power tool? Have extra tomatoes to share? Have a family emergency and need a babysitter? No problem.

I was flustered last week and accidentally left the door gaping open when we left the house for the day. Not only did nobody rob me, my neighbor across the street saw it open, came over, and closed it.

When we were gone on vacation last summer, we came back two weeks later and our vegetable garden had been watered, our lawn was mowed, and the newspapers and mail (which we’d forgotten to cancel) had been carefully stacked out of view. We didn’t even tell anyone we were going to be gone.

So, I wouldn’t say that it’s a case of people living in certain countries neglecting their family and neighborly duties. Rather, it’s a case of people living in certain communities doing so. And each type of community exists in each country.

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Expatriate December 17, 2009 at 11:02

Men have always been the daring ones.

The ones who explored, took risks & invented.

Look at Columbus or the Wright brothers for example.

You can stay cooped up in the US listening to US media tell you how great the US is and how all the other countries are “shit holes” or you can go out & take a look for yourself which is what I plan to do.

If you have money you can live better in Vietnam or Thailand because of the exchange rates.

If you want a family expat to the Philippines which doesn’t even have divorce.

Personally I find liberty to be more important than prosperity & would suggest to anyone interested that they read Fred Reed or Irlandes experiences if you want to be dispelled of some of the myths that the US media keeps feeding you about Mexico.

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Black&German December 17, 2009 at 11:26

America actually has some really bad “shit holes”. Go out to West Virginia’s back hills. The people there have their teeth rotting out of their mouths, there’s often no doctor in the town, the school’s are decrepit, and the people live in shacks and trailers. Really. It’s shocking.

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David Brandt December 17, 2009 at 11:30

Here’s an interesting difference even within the US. I was married to two latinas in New Mexico, and divorced from them. I am still considered family by their families, invited to every large get together, etc. I learned to speak spanish over the years, understand the customs and culture and although initially treated as an outsider, have never been viewed that way since. I understand that many people from the US live in ‘gated communities’ when they move to another country. That makes a very strong statement, doesn’t it? What one man may view as a shithole, another may view as a paradise simply because they have different values. IMO many of the cultural differences are far superior to anything I’ve observed living in the US. I don’t know what the rate of expats are who return to live in the US, however I imagine it would be pretty low (with perhaps the exception of the gated community types)–and I’m not even sure about them. I value the concepts of extended family and community, of people actually giving a damn about each other. To me that’s not a shithole, it’s fucking paradise. I recall living in a large city years ago, a man was hit by a car and loads of people were laying on their horns because they were inconvenienced. Again, just take a tour of some nursing homes and ask yourself if that is where you would wish to spend your final years. Not me. Whatever you do, don’t ask Fred Reed how he likes Mexico–he’ll tell you how horrible it is (because he doesn’t want you moving there and ruining HIS paradise). Women love the nanny state–she can dump her husband and still such money out of him (courtesy of the nanny state) and is supported in every other way (courtesy of the nanny state). Schriver’s ‘Women’s Nation’ is going to implode because the men who build and maintain civilization and infrastructure are not wanted (until the shit hits the fan), and are IMO waking up in significant enough numbers to expedite the process. I don’t want to be where I’m not wanted nor appreciated, so I will go where I am.

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Black&German December 17, 2009 at 11:48

DB:

I have a similar story. My aunt and uncle separated over 12 years ago, but he’s still invited to every family function (and there are a lot of them!) and visited regularly by his nieces and nephews. When he was in the hospital recently, he had a visitor every single day and none of them were his blood relatives. He still gets a flood of Christmas cards every year and phone calls from us on his birthday.
But that might be a Catholic-thing. We don’t believe in divorce (which is why they’re separated, not divorced), so once you’re in, you’re in.

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Jabherwochie December 17, 2009 at 12:15

“Black&German December 17, 2009 at 11:26 am

America actually has some really bad “shit holes”. Go out to West Virginia’s back hills. The people there have their teeth rotting out of their mouths, there’s often no doctor in the town, the school’s are decrepit, and the people live in shacks and trailers. Really. It’s shocking.”

Hey! That’s where half my genes come from! (the white-trash half obviously) How’d you know about my grandpappy and mamoo’s people! If I have to hear one more time about how I had it so easy as a young’n, as there was no plumbing in my grandma’s house growing up and how all the men suffered from black lung, so help me God! Well, at least John Nash came from there.

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finsalscollons December 17, 2009 at 12:27

Expatriate & David Brandt.

As an expatriate, you are ruining everything. LOL. I don’t want you to ruin my paradise. I live in Central America, when women are infinitely better than these American excuses for a woman, where climate is mild and nature is gorgeous. I have more purchasing power and a higher quality of life than in America. A better house and a better social life. And people here care about other, are happy and friendly.

Please, stay away. If more American people come here, you will ruin it. I don’t want competition. Please, keep believing that all these countries are a shithole and stay in the US, working until dropping dead, spending your money in crap and dealing with American women.

US is the paradise. Stay there. I will live my bleak existence here, in this shithole. Anyway, I leave you because I have to bang girlfriend #3 and then go to the beach, while you are in winter. What a bad luck of mine! I wish I was in the US!

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Black&German December 17, 2009 at 13:01

Jabher,

LOL. Yeah, my father is always telling me how spoiled I am. He grew up in a trailer with six siblings and one bed, with segregated schools 5 miles away that he had to walk to through the SC heat. School lunch was his main meal of the day. His father was a divorced sharecropper and WWII-vet.
But there are still people living like that in the States, incredible as it sounds.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada December 17, 2009 at 13:05

finsalscollons December 17, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Expatriate & David Brandt.

As an expatriate, you are ruining everything. LOL. I don’t want you to ruin my paradise. I live in Central America, when women are infinitely better than these American excuses for a woman, where climate is mild and nature is gorgeous. I have more purchasing power and a higher quality of life than in America. A better house and a better social life. And people here care about other, are happy and friendly.

Please, stay away. If more American people come here, you will ruin it. I don’t want competition. Please, keep believing that all these countries are a shithole and stay in the US, working until dropping dead, spending your money in crap and dealing with American women.

US is the paradise. Stay there. I will live my bleak existence here, in this shithole. Anyway, I leave you because I have to bang girlfriend #3 and then go to the beach, while you are in winter. What a bad luck of mine! I wish I was in the US!

***
What he said goes double for South America! Yankee go home. And we have shitty health care (don’t believe the lies! LASIK was NOT invented in Bogota).

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iron clad December 17, 2009 at 19:28

Ahhh….from the vantage point of a MRA, West Virginia, backward ? It seens that the laws that ” PENALIZED…the…PENISIZED ” seem to have found an unpredictable rebeliousness NO FEMANIST BULLSHIT JUDGE …who didn’t cave to pro-female positions on matters. as 100 % truths 100 % of the times..I find tone and effect of this judges decision down right “butch” and sorely lacking in other bodys of males , individually or group…hence ,give credit where its over due…did a judge in your state give the D.V.A.W. program a proper kick in their pink-pampered fat asses on the behalf of men and systematic equally…?…if NO,…Then how might your little misandric lawed – guilded cage of a state stack up to the noble judges of socially advanced West Virginia..lol….outhouses, trailers. Denture grirp, in all…y’all …wish I lived there…or…california …NOT…( “y’all”.. is properly spelled “youall”…NO hyphen …NO “y’all”…NO “you ‘ all” ) …(F.Y.I. )…bye for.now , youall

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iron clad December 17, 2009 at 19:46

P.s. some find that West Virginia “jackel latern smile”…well….attractive…oviouslly…theys a stil havn babzs , ain’t they ?

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Jabherwochie December 18, 2009 at 10:03

@B&G-

“SC heat”

What part of SC? I’m in Greenville.

@Ironclad-

I like you and your words. Not that I should be the one to point this out, but you could clean up your interesting use of sentence structure some. I don’t want people skimming past you because they see a mess where I see magic.

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dagezhu December 18, 2009 at 18:18

Tarl wrote:
‘Leaving and cultural barriers would give me concern with respect to HK, Japan, and South Korea. (My white friends who taught English there said they felt like Negroes in the Jim Crow South.) As for Vietnam, Thailand, and the PI, never been there, but I suspect they meet my working definition of “shitholes”.’

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the Voice of America. That is How The West Was Won. 200 years ago, in 1809, young bachelors were sitting around the saloons of Boston and New Orleans, idly discussing whether they ought to go west.

“What about Kansas?”

“I’m concerned about losing my investment. Also, the culture would be a problem.”

“What about Oregon?”

“I suspect it meets my working definition of a shithole.”

“There’s interesting exploration in the wilderness of Nevada. Lots of young men will go there.”

“I suspect that for Joe Average, exploring the saloons of Saint Louis would be more rewarding than the wilds of Nevada. It’s fit only for Comanches.”

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Tarl December 20, 2009 at 13:24

Dagezhu, among the many differences between then and now, back then, “Go West” meant go to a place where there were (for all practical purposes) no existing people, laws, or government. Today, if you go to South East Asia, there are billions of people, many laws, and repressive / incompetent governments.

If there was, today, an unpopulated, ungoverned space like the 1800s American West, I would certainly go there. But South East Asia in 2009 is not such a place, and to compare it to the American West is simply stupid.

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Gunslingergregi December 20, 2009 at 22:27

””””David Brandt December 16, 2009 at 10:14 am
Tarl
Ok, our manufacturing base is completely gone, we can’t compete with China and other countries with cheaper labor, etc. As far as other countries go, it depends on how you define quality of life. If you value male-friendly laws, women who come from a culture where men are respected, and extended families where older people are loved and cared for instead of shunted off to some fucked up facilities, that’s something I value. There are shitholes and places where community means just that, where people actually give a damn about each other. I haven’t seen much of that here in the good ole US, have you? And I lived in the 50’s, so I’ve been around awhile.
”””””””””””’

That is the feeling I got when I got “home” like it was supposed to be where I lived. Like it was home.

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Gunslingergregi December 20, 2009 at 22:31

My wifes dads grave is in her sisters back yard. Thats is where I want to be buried in the back yard. She goes once a year and throws a bucket of change out to a crowd of people and her dads friends pay their respects to him. Everyone had a good time. Cool stuff. Stuff ya just don’t see when ya constantly move places to get that new “job” or advance that all important “career”. Family is not just mom and maybe dad and a kid it is a whole village of relatives. Cool stuff.

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Gunslingergregi December 20, 2009 at 22:59

Just remember that wherever you go or stay just save some loot and you can chill. It is that easy. You don’t have to make a 150k like globalman. If ya work 84 hours a week for a while even at 10 bucks an hour get you that one bedroom apartment for 150 month and save the magical 2k a month of loot you can become free.

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dagezhu December 21, 2009 at 00:41

‘Today, if you go to South East Asia, there are billions of people, many laws, and repressive / incompetent governments.’

If you go to the cities, there are many people, many corrupt officials (with few laws, just power) and many incompetent bureaucrats.

If you go outside the cities – you can find largely unpopulated regions.

I guess you aren’t willing to risk running into a Tamil Tiger or a Abu Sayyaf.

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Sean_MacCloud December 21, 2009 at 02:51

MarkyMark December 16, 2009 at 3:26 am

…Thomas Jefferson said it best: the government that governs best, governs LEAST. It was true then, and it’s still true today.

If any of that was possible why it slippery slope into what we have now?

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Sean_MacCloud December 21, 2009 at 02:52

MarkyMark December 16, 2009 at 3:26 am

…Thomas Jefferson said it best: the government that governs best, governs LEAST. It was true then, and it’s still true today.

If any of that was possible why it slippery slope into what we have now?

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Tarl December 21, 2009 at 18:39

If you go outside the cities – you can find largely unpopulated regions.

Moronic and untrue.

I guess you aren’t willing to risk running into a Tamil Tiger or a Abu Sayyaf.

If you’re fucking stupid enough to live in an area where you might run into these types of people, the more fool you. Have fun being the star of an internet decapitation video!

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iron clad December 22, 2009 at 01:08

Jabherwochie….me , a magicical mess of a crumbling inferior structure or perhaps ? I’m , I’m , having a Sally Fields / femmy moment…

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no 2 femlies February 15, 2010 at 15:44

“Thomas Jefferson said it best: the government that governs best, governs LEAST. It was true then, and it’s still true today.”

No it’s not, that’s simplistic fallacy.

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no 2 femlies February 15, 2010 at 15:50

“They have organized political muscle especially with democrats, and they deploy it.”

Democrat, Republican there is no difference.

The probelm we have is with the ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM ITSELF.

“This country doesn’t care about us. Every man in the army needs to leave right now. nLet the feminists go out there and fight for this bullshit.”

THIS is the attitude we need.

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Ben February 17, 2010 at 19:02

I know guys living in their foreman’s basement who have alimony and child support to pay… They are having a hard time as the government will not let these males adjust their payments to women under the provisions of the Bradly Amendment… Men need representation for our gender at the FEDERAL LEVEL….

The Federal Council On Women and Girls will not see to it that the class interests of men are met. Women hold 54% of the vote and will continue to provide and protect themselves….. I have no doubt that If males do not remove our government from power or at very least garner representation in politics the Republic will fall….

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