Why Men Should Avoid Women Writers

by Welmer on December 10, 2009

There are a few obvious reasons as to why exercising caution with women who write for a living is essential, including the fact that they are the kind of women who not only are compelled to make their opinion heard by the entire world, but also have a great volume of opinions, of which one is likely to never hear the end. Another fairly simple fact is that a lot of writers are vain and drink a lot, which is often a recipe for adultery. Then, of course, there is the megalomania, the possibility that she will be a cruel mother with a tendency to run down her children in hurtful ways, and the arrogance that comes with any audience and tends to be exaggerated in females.

However, perhaps the most important reason not to have a long-term relationship with a female writer is that, inevitably, she will write about YOU, and the larger her audience the more uncomfortable and potentially humiliating that will be. There is nothing that says “beta” quite like a guy who allows his wife to humiliate him – even if unintentionally – in front of a multitude of strangers. And trust me, she will do this, because women, especially artistic or opinionated types, are moody and do not have a steady temperament.

Of course, I am not saying to avoid these women entirely. Perhaps some of them are great lovers, and one may find their company intellectually stimulating and spiritually enriching, if only for the opportunity of a case study. But the man who commits to her is throwing himself into the Colloseum to feed both hungry beasts and the amusement of the jeering, plebean horde.

Roissy recently posted a photo of a depression-era couple, remarking on the cheery disposition of the husband, who was waiting for work picking beans. As a comparison to the mood of the photo, in which the man’s bashful wife graces the background, he linked a very long article from the NY Times in which the writer wife launches into an epic spiel against her husband. It is a painful read, but worthwhile if you are a man and want to get a good feel for the mood of American women.

Additionally, Whiskey recently posted an article on The Spearhead about the author of Julie and Julia, who openly discusses her choice to pursue an extramarital affair as though it was no more than hiring an independent contractor, trashing her poor, cuckolded husband in the process.

Throughout the ages, there have been many male writers, most of them married at some point. I can’t think of one single famous male writer who explicitly trashes his wife in his published works, but now that women are happily publishing away, spouse-bashing in print has become the norm.

Is there anything more disgusting than a woman who exposes her intimate life to the entire world? Is there anything more humiliating to a man than to have his most vulnerable self reluctantly hoisted onto the public stage?

Shame is a forgotten concept these days. Women who write will have none of it, and they revel in the power of public display. Just as Mackenzie Phillips found glory in the revelation of her alleged consensual, adult sex with her own father, the new generation of female American writers like nothing better than to dissect their husbands in front of a drooling crowd.

If ever a woman tells you she is a writer, it would be best to reveal as little as possible to her. If you are foolish enough to conjoin your life with hers, in the end, you’ll be no more than an unsympathetic character in a sensational, but ultimately forgettable, romance novel at best.

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Paul Elam December 10, 2009 at 12:09

Ahh yes, and those that don’t write….talk.

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Sparks123 December 10, 2009 at 12:11

I’ll be having a Jane Austen book-burning in my backyard this weekend. I’ll be following it up with one for Emily Bronte. PM me if interested…

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Gx1080 December 10, 2009 at 12:24

Last link is broken.

The same principle applies to women who blog.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 12:30

Last link is broken.

-GX1080

Thanks for letting me know. Too bad browsers aren’t as forgiving of typos as people.

The same principle applies to women who blog.

Very true. We often forget that blogging is a subset of writing.

djc December 10, 2009 at 12:36

I go one further. I avoid women period.

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Arbitrary December 10, 2009 at 12:38

Sparks, this has nothing to do with the quality of their literature.

Everyone else…expect plenty more trolls such as this who don’t bother to read the article.

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Rebel December 10, 2009 at 12:58

Whichever way one might want to look at it, the same conclusion emerges naturally as to the irrelevancy of marriage.

I guess that old and obsolete institutions die hard.

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Kevin K December 10, 2009 at 13:00

My friend’s wife is a “modern romance book” writer. He says the worst part is having to read her books (they are basically 300 pages of sex). The next worst is having her tell everyone she is “a writer” even though her books don’t pay for the self-publishing and she has a low-level office job (with an expensive sociology degree, natch). I guess she is a pleasant person otherwise.

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Be prepared December 10, 2009 at 13:00

I am a professional writer, and in my non-celibate days I dated lots of creative, verbally-oriented women. A couple used a public forum to reveal some intimate detail about me or our relationship. The first I broke up with, using a reply to her blog. The second, I warned her in no uncertain terms that I would send naked pictures of her to all her friends if she did not stop immediately. She stopped.
So, here’s the solution: while you’re videotaping your sexual trysts to protect yourself from false rape allegations, set aside some especially lurid bits to publish on the Internet if/when little miss hysterical starts using you in her vagina monologues.

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zed December 10, 2009 at 13:09

he linked a very long article from the NY Times in which the writer wife launches into an epic spiel against her husband.

Is this the same Liz Weil who goes head to head with Marc Rudov?

I’ll add a few names to the list –
Liz Jones,
Leslie Bennetts,
Sandra Tsing Loh

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 13:18

Is this the same Liz Weil who goes head to head with Marc Rudov?

-zed

Good question. I’ll bet it is.

Zammo December 10, 2009 at 13:19

Maureen Dowd and epic fail come to mind.

The long list of Victim Feminist blogs comes to mind, as well.

Batshit insane, the lot.

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LILGRL December 10, 2009 at 13:59

Thanks, Welmer.

I <3 you too.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 14:03

Thanks, Welmer.

I <3 you too.

But you’re a tech writer, LIL. That’s not exactly what I had in mind.

200 Grande December 10, 2009 at 14:04

That woman in the Times article is disturbed.

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Zeta December 10, 2009 at 14:15

How many books do you guys have by female authors? Do a tally like I did. I have a couple hundred books, and I think six were written by women. This wasn’t some conscious desire to avoid female authors or anything, either. Off the top of my head, those are Uncle Tom’s Cabin, Atlas Shrugged, The Dispossessed, some psychology book…

It’s pretty embarrassing for the female sex. They just aren’t very talented in the creative arts. My ratio of male music vs. female music is just as skewed. I don’t even know if a single movie I own was directed by a woman.

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Lady Raine December 10, 2009 at 14:31

Well, I think all writers are pretty much useless…..especially people who go to college for “creative writing”. Might as well get a degree in “standing and looking”.

I suppose none of you have heard of the famous novels and movies from Anne Rice? Or the author of the book where Sir Roissy got his name? God, you’re such a bunch of dumb asses sometimes.

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Snark December 10, 2009 at 14:34

“Is there anything more disgusting than a woman who exposes her intimate life to the entire world?”

No.

They seem to have mistaken disrespectful boorishness for empowerment.

Seriously, ladies – I’m sure you feel positively ‘saucy’ typing up all the coarse details of your intimate affairs, but you don’t win respect this way.

And at the same time, they hate the shit out of Tucker Max.

Re: Mackenzie Phillips. You know how the mythological Narcissus was written as a male, because the story would never have been understood if he had been female? I wonder if 120 Days of Sodom would have made any impact at all had it been penned by a woman. That’s what came to mind when I read about a woman celebrating her ‘liberating’ incest.

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Hawaiian Libertarian December 10, 2009 at 14:35

God, you’re such a bunch of dumb asses sometimes.

Coming from you, the irony of this statement is quite amusing.

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Snark December 10, 2009 at 14:36

“I suppose none of you have heard of the famous novels and movies from Anne Rice?”

Don’t be an idiot, Lady Raine.

In response to all the great male writers throughout history, you give us Anne Rice.

Be gone.

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Snark December 10, 2009 at 14:37

I mean gee, why not just come right out and say J. K. Rowling.

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Gx1080 December 10, 2009 at 14:42

And let’s not forget: Stephanie Meyer.

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Zeta December 10, 2009 at 14:44

Don’t let LR trash this thread, guys. Just ignore please.

Instead, let’s respond to my post! How many books do you guys own by female authors? I think, like me, you’ll find it’s a surprisingly low number indeed.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 14:51

Avoid women writers? Avoid western women is my tip, writer or not.

One of my mates suggested that I should start dating women who speak neither English OR German very well. He suggested dating a woman I could barely talk to, it might be better…it’s a fascinating idea. I won’t have to listen to her talk afterwards…I wonder if I can find a chick who only speaks polish?

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Snark December 10, 2009 at 14:52

Well Zeta, I did a quick survey of my personal library which numbers somewhere around 500, and the answer is 9.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 14:53

Snark December 10, 2009 at 2:34 pm
“They seem to have mistaken disrespectful boorishness for empowerment.”
They mistake everything for empowerment. Drunkenness, group sex, drugs, babies out of wedlock…these are all symbols of ‘empowerment’ now.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 14:59

Zeta December 10, 2009 at 2:44 pm
“Instead, let’s respond to my post! How many books do you guys own by female authors?”
That is easy. Zero. There is one woman in my industry that has co-authored some books that I have. That’s it. I do not, and have never, owned a book that was entirely written by a woman to the best of my knowledge.

How many books have I owned? Well over 500. When I left Australia I gave my old books away and I think it was 8 boxes of books of tea chest size. I am a HUGE book lover. And I need to buy a LOT of books for my work.

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Steezer December 10, 2009 at 15:00

LR is still here?
Wow, the husband of that NYTimes writer looks really depressed.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 15:01

Snark December 10, 2009 at 2:37 pm
“I mean gee, why not just come right out and say J. K. Rowling.”
In my humble opinion she has NEVER written ANYTHING. Those books have ALL the hallmarks of being written by a man for rather unsavory purposes. That they were turned into such big budget movies and promoted so heavily tells me that there is almost zero chance J. K. Rowling wrote those books.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 15:04

ELIZABETH WEIL is a complete psycho bitch…that guy should run away very quickly….

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Lady Raine December 10, 2009 at 15:07

Zeta–

I hardly think I “trashed the thread” by naming two very famous female authors.

You have never owned a book by a woman?? You must not read much. Never read “Interview with the Vampire”? “The Vampire Lestat?” or “The Mummy”? How about “Queen of The Damned?” Those are fictional novels and movies that just about every human on earth has read/seen. They aren’t even above your intellectual level, so that’s pretty telling if you aren’t even familiar with those.

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Hestia December 10, 2009 at 15:11

How many books do you guys have by female authors?
Zeta, you comment made me laugh as I began pondering our books and music collection as I read this post and have similar results to report. Our home library numbers in the thousands and excluding childrens literature, homeschooling books, or the kitchen bookshelf (cooking, homekeeping, sewing, etc), we have maybe twenty-twenty five titles by women total. Several are Ayn Rand’s books, one is Uncle Tom’s Cabin, another “The Teenage Liberation Handbook” and the others I cannot recall off the top of my head. There is a book of Emiliy Dickinson poetry too.

Our music collection is similar and all of this happened by chance. Well, except for the strict avoidance of chic lit, romance novels, and the other genres that are guaranteed to be written by women and something that I am not a fan of…and obviously not my husband either. ;)

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Snark December 10, 2009 at 15:12

Actually, Lady Raine, I would assume that the majority of men who post here read at an intellectual level quite far advanced of vampire stories.

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Expatriate December 10, 2009 at 15:37

The only woman who a lot of men I know have read is Ayn Rand who needless to say preached the polar opposite of most women (& men to a certain extent) when it came to gov’t & liberty.

I don’t know of any women who have read her personally but they are all enthralled by Harry Potter & the Twilight crap along with their romance novels.

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Racer X December 10, 2009 at 15:54

Camille Paglia once wrote an article–I can’t remember exactly where I read it but I know it was from her–where she states that yes, in fact, there are very few great women artists, writers, composers, scientists, etc., throughout history. Her answer for this phenomena was not, as most people would assume in today’s PC-Patriarchy blaming world, primarily because women were denied access to those areas, but rather, their lack of testosterone. The great T does something to the mind that is inexpressible, it drives men to do great things, it creates a certain kind of energy and almost violent, focused passion that is lacking in almost all artistic works of women. It is the same passion and energy that drive men to kill each other in battle, or to rush into battle knowing they may be killed. Women simply lack this. And they should, since their biological function is to rear children, so being possessed by a dangerous force such as testosterone would be entirely too risky for that great endeavor. Some women did write great things, going back as far as Sappho, but they are few and far between. And as Camille also points out, many of the great creators in history were disproportionately homosexual as well. But I have always found that the work of male artists or writers have a certain energy and vigor, a passion, that most female writers simply lack.

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Lady Raine December 10, 2009 at 16:26

Snark–

Clearly you didn’t catch the sarcasm. I meant that those are stories that every human one earth has read or seen (because they are movies) and if he is too dumb to handle reading Anne Rice books (because they’re not intellectual) then he has way bigger problems anyway.

It’s sad I had to explain that to you. Next time you should prob keep quiet.

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Lady Raine December 10, 2009 at 16:28

Either way, I don’t have a dog in this fight because I think a “career in writing” is a wasted life for 95% of “writers” that attempt it.

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anonymous December 10, 2009 at 16:35

“the most important reason not to have a long-term relationship with a female writer is that, inevitably, she will write about YOU.” Confirmed.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 16:41

Either way, I don’t have a dog in this fight because I think a “career in writing” is a wasted life for 95% of “writers” that attempt it.

-LR

Absolutely agreed. Writing is best left to those who are no good at anything else.
:)

Hestia December 10, 2009 at 16:42

@racerx- But I have always found that the work of male artists or writers have a certain energy and vigor, a passion, that most female writers simply lack.
Do I ever agree with you there. There simply aren’t women who can even begin to compare to the brilliance of a Chaucer, Schubert, Galileo, and on and on and on. These brilliant minds, coupled with the hard work of millions of men, helped bring about Western civilization. When this reality is denied to push “equality”, we wind up with much mediocrity, rather than excellence to celebrate and boast of as a culture. What a shame that is.

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Steezer December 10, 2009 at 16:46

It’s also true that most people who think they can write actually can’t — their output is more on par with Lady Raine’s, or worse. (And yes, I know, LR doesn’t consider herself a writer. A point in her favor. But, speaking of LR, she’s still here, eh? Fascinating)

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Snark December 10, 2009 at 16:48

“Clearly you didn’t catch the sarcasm.”

Clearly you do not know how to use sarcasm. Yes, I got the joke. Well done. The point remains that Anne Rice is the author you brought up as an example of how girls can do it too.

But, conceding that they can’t, or at least haven’t, you denigrate the entire enterprise of writing.

LOL! Nicely handled. That’s like finding out you weren’t invited to a party and then telling everyone you didn’t want to go anyway.

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Be prepared December 10, 2009 at 17:05

I”ve read a fair amount of women writers and often, their use of language is very skillful. It’s really unfortunate they apply their talents to some form of sensual escapism rather than work to evolve the human condition.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 17:10

I”ve read a fair amount of women writers and often, their use of language is very skillful. It’s really unfortunate they apply their talents to some form of sensual escapism rather than work to evolve the human condition.

Right. Women can be very expressive, and can display a great deal of skill with language. Their weakness is not so much how they express themselves, but rather what they express.

newly divorced December 10, 2009 at 17:20

Let’s defend the women here. Ayn Rand definitely has the passion & energy that you mention and holds her own against other great writers.

Jane Austin and Emily Bronte are good authors as well even if they approach things from a different angle than a man would.

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adan flores December 10, 2009 at 17:26

What, Zeta-you’ve never checked out NEAR DARK or any of Ida Lupino’s directorial work? Your loss. As for my 300-425 book library, I’d count 8 female authors, tops. . .heavy on the Ayn Rand and Florence King, naturally!

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11minutes December 10, 2009 at 17:29

The majority of men SHOULD NOT AVOID reading that crap. It’s good medicine. They need to read it over and over again. This is how a married woman feels – and yours (will) too. Hearing it from a woman herself is the ultimate wake up call for those who are still skipping around happily in LaLa Land.

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Zammo December 10, 2009 at 17:42

As a serious reader of history and current social events, I have found some decent female social observers and historians. Note that I do not call them writers.

Esther Vilar
Christina Hoff Sommers
Barbara Tuchman (a good historian who presents the facts and her interpretation in a clear, very readable way)

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meistergedanken December 10, 2009 at 18:24

Simply put, I concur with the salient points of the post. But to Rand, I can add one other worthy woman writer: Colleen McCullough. Her “Masters of Rome” series sets the standard for historical fiction – and most women despise history. The question I have is: is her work [and Rand's, for that matter] great because she “writes like a man”?

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Clubber Lang December 10, 2009 at 18:35

Whats the bet Lady Raine has a massive clit?

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chrisj December 10, 2009 at 18:41

Great advice Welmer. It’s bad enough that her friends know way to much about you. Being destroyed via a public humiliation is one of the worst thing I could imagine.

After being disgusted by her article I hold an intense dislike for that sandra loh tsing character. At the same time wondering what happened to her ex-husband – truly a figure to be pitied.

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LIL December 10, 2009 at 19:27

But you’re a tech writer, LIL. That’s not exactly what I had in mind.

Haha, I do have <3's for you, Welmer. I'm not JUST a tech writer, though that is my primary market at the moment. I also write for such esteemed publications such as COSMO!!! (I know, it's shocking.)

Absolutely agreed. Writing is best left to those who are no good at anything else.

AHHHHHHH!!! What must I do to prove myself to you? I CODE TOO!!

Haha, I’m kidding. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Hawaiian Libertarian December 10, 2009 at 19:40

Just a note – seems like LR and a few others made the point of this thread out to be this idea that “women can’t write” or “men shouldn’t read the works of women writers.”

No….the article is about men marrying – being in an LTR – with women writers. Their propensity to write intimate details of your relationship to publicly humiliate and emasculate you is clearly what Welmer was discussing here…not “Men avoiding writing by women.”

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doghair December 10, 2009 at 19:53

Just for fun I counted the female authors in my library, which is 2/3 non fiction. Seven female authors out of 400 non fiction books, mostly in food history and cook books. There was only one repeat female nonfiction author: Virginia Postrel.

Of 200 fiction books only two females: Ayn Rand and Isek Dinesen. I keep only the books I might want to read again and sell or give away the other 90%.

Much to my surprise I discovered four copies of Lord Jim.

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UgSlayer December 10, 2009 at 19:57

This is not the woman who goes head-to-head with Marc Rudov. There is photo of the author in the article.

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zed December 10, 2009 at 20:02

Good catch on the thread derailment, HL.

It is interesting, too, how I didn’t necessarily think of women writers in general, or women writers throughout history, but rather the current crop of yellow journalists who make their living serving up dirt. To my previous list I would also have to add Maureen Dowd.

The two most perplexing things about these particular creatures are that they seem to be completely unaware of what loathesome excuses for human beings they are, and that their audiences seem to be cut from the same cloth. The fact that so many women consume the trash they put out like bags of potato chips is one of the things which has given me such a jaundiced view of contemporary womanhood.

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piercedhead December 10, 2009 at 20:31

Just a note – seems like LR and a few others made the point of this thread out to be this idea that “women can’t write” or “men shouldn’t read the works of women writers.”

No….the article is about men marrying – being in an LTR – with women writers. Their propensity to write intimate details of your relationship to publicly humiliate and emasculate you is clearly what Welmer was discussing here…not “Men avoiding writing by women.”

Top spotting HL.

Looking back through the comments the first to attempt the threadjack was Sparks123, in at the beginning at comment #2.

Damn their bag of tricks is worn.

Like the man said – it’s about men avoiding women writers, as in not having relationships with them.

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whiskey December 10, 2009 at 21:36

I’m fond of Jane Austen. I like her writing. But she’s long gone, from a different era. Even Lillian Helman, lover and mistress of Dashiell Hammet, never revealed intimate details like today’s women.

What has happened, is that women have become “attention whores” and like a misbehaving child, do anything for attention. Women of a different age would have rather died than revealed intimate, detailed sexual and romantic antics with any man.

Its worth noting as a commenter at Roissy’s did, that Julie Powell does not name her lover she humiliates her husband with. It is clear she still prefers her lover to her husband — she treats the former far better than the latter in her book.

For men, no better guide exists than Pride and Prejudice. Simply imagine yourself as Elizabeth Bennett, and realize one wrong move with a woman (marriage) can ruin you. Men need to be as careful and restrained with women (unless you are Tiger Woods or Paul McCartney and can simply write checks) as Elizabeth Bennett was. CAREFUL consideration of character, behavior, and past deeds are essential. If you realize that the consequences are flipped for men from the 18th Century, it becomes clear.

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LILGRL December 10, 2009 at 21:37

Absolutely agreed. Writing is best left to those who are no good at anything else.

No….the article is about men marrying – being in an LTR – with women writers. Their propensity to write intimate details of your relationship to publicly humiliate and emasculate you is clearly what Welmer was discussing here…not “Men avoiding writing by women.”

THANKS GUYS.

– Your resident female freelance writer (who is also engaged)

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Reinholt December 10, 2009 at 21:43

Two things:

1 – Airing my dirty laundry is verboten in relationships. I will dump any chick who does it. That line is not to be crossed.

2 – I wouldn’t even wipe my ass with one of Anne Rice’s “books”.

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Reinholt December 10, 2009 at 21:44

Lilgrl:

To be blunt, shut it. Not everything is about you, especially not as a relatively technical writer. No more “me, me, me I’m not like that”.

Enough.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 22:02

THANKS GUYS.

– Your resident female freelance writer (who is also engaged)

-LILGRL

There’s a bit of an inside joke thing going on there, LIL — I do have friends who read this magazine, and some of them happen to be writers.

BTW, you write for Cosmo?

You shouldn’t have told me that. Now I will face a serious moral dilemma every time I’m in line at the grocery store because I’ll be tempted to buy the damned magazine.

Paul December 11, 2009 at 00:53

Well I certainly avoid women writers when they post comments here. I just skip over them and also over any responses they might provoke.

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LILGRL December 11, 2009 at 02:54

(To the people who are not as AWSM as Welmer and HL, I am joshin’ with the hosts.)

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LILGRL December 11, 2009 at 02:56

P.S. You should buy Cosmo…it’s certainly cheaper than PC World. :)

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 04:14

Hey, there’s one huge upside to this whole public-airing-of-salacious-private-stuff thing. Basically, it’s this: these bitches are giving the game away.

Amidst all the (rightful) hue and cry, we’re overlooking the fact that Powell, Tsing Loh & Partners are basically giving the clueless among us the answer key to the great test that is Woman.
I mean, yeah, all this stuff was there before, but it was all buried in thick Harlequin trade paperbacks with gay dudes on the cover. But now it’s in the mainstream media, for all to see openly: This is what women want. That is what women don’t want.

It’s like the teacher is sitting down with us and showing us the answers. And not only that – the answers are like, “Go out on the playground, pull some pigtails, and grab some asses.”
And the sad part is that tons of guys are still failing the test.

Every madonna wants to be a whore, for the right man.

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Cunt December 11, 2009 at 04:39

Lilgrl:

To be blunt, shut it. Not everything is about you, especially not as a relatively technical writer. No more “me, me, me I’m not like that”.

Enough.

+1

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R December 11, 2009 at 04:51

For clarity’s sake, it might be best to change the title of this post to “Why Men Should Avoid Relationships With Women Writers” – otherwise the conversation will stay derailed.

But before that happens, let me chime in with two of my favorite female writers:

Flannery O’Connor (novels)
Elizabeth Anscombe (philosophy)

Which doesn’t negate the fact that of the 500+ books that my wife and I have on our bookshelf, I count only 8 female writers (the wife doesn’t read romance novels or vampire exploitation).

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Kathy Farrelly December 11, 2009 at 05:15

I must admit that I am rather partial to Jane Austen’s novels, too, Whiskey.
I also loved Silas Marner by George Eliot (aka Mary Anne Evans) But I also loved Thomas Hardy, and Dickens.

My favorite poets are all men with the exception of one. (Christina Rossetti)
Blake, Byron, Wordsworth, Emerson, Frost, Brooke.
.. Along with Aussie favorites:
John Shaw Neilson, Banjo Patterson and Henry Lawson.
(To name a few)

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Krauser December 11, 2009 at 06:02

Definitely agreed that its wise to keep salacious photos and video in the vault as a deterrent. I’ve videoed all my LTRs at least once since I was 20.

Female writers? Bah, I’ve got three rules in book selection:

1) Never read a woman
2) Never read a book that won a literary prize
3) Never read a book written after 1970

Only exceptions

1) Agatha Christie, Ayn Rand
2) No exceptions
3) Lee Child and any other genre fiction with a retro feel.

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Renee December 11, 2009 at 06:46

Zeta,

They just aren’t very talented in the creative arts.

Uhh, I wouldn’t go that far.

Whiskey,

Women of a different age would have rather died than revealed intimate, detailed sexual and romantic antics with any man.

Don’t men do the same thing when it comes to women (think of the locker room talks), or is that just a stereotype?

Expatriate,

I don’t know of any women who have read her personally but they are all enthralled by Harry Potter [scratch out Twilight]… along with their romance novels.

You say that like it’s a bad thing ;) If it’s written well, then I don’t see a problem with it.

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slwerner December 11, 2009 at 07:42

Renee – “Don’t men do the same thing when it comes to women (think of the locker room talks), or is that just a stereotype?”

Yes, largely so, I’d have to say.

As an athletic person, and a bit of a gym-rat, I’ve literally spent hundreds of hours in locker rooms. It’s not as if men don’t talk about women and sex, it’s just that it isn’t near as common as many women seem to believe it to be.

I’ve actually overheard more salacious (in terms of intimate detail) talk between women in Starbucks than from guys in a locker room. Two women where I work were once asked to NOT talk about their sexual activities because their coworkers (women) were becoming very uncomfortable with the subject matter they were delving into.

I’ve often thought that a very revealing social experiment to carry out would be to place microphones in locker rooms (this would actually be illegal, however), both men’s and women’s; and also about tables in cafe’s (and other places where friends tend to talk). I think that women would be surprised to discover that they talk more frequently with their friends about sex, and in much greater detail (good and bad) than do men. My wife is honest enough to admit that they things she hears from both women friends and strangers far excedeed the sexualized talk I hear from men.

Anyone other guy’s notice and/or know of the same thing?

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Jabherwochie December 11, 2009 at 08:33

When a guy really likes a girl, he doesn’t reveal too much detail about their sex life from what I’ve seen? Its always short and concise stuff, if it is talked about at all?

There are men in certain sexual niche cultures, exhibitionists come to mind, who are different, but many of them discuss it mainly in the appropriate sexual community circles?

Even cads seem to keep the details short. Like, “Yeah I banged her. She didn’t like giving head, so I talked her into anal instead.” and pretty much leave it at that level of detail. Loosers who don’t get laid, like I once was, are capable of getting more dirt out of someone, but it never just freely flows out of them for the most part. Men talk about relationship stuff more than sex, and thats limited. Sex, really isn’t that interesting after a while. How many variations of positions and techniques can there be? I’m quite sure many kinky people were just bored with vanilla sex. Theres too many of them for it to be soley about a dysfunctional psycho-sexual development.

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Lady Raine December 11, 2009 at 11:08

It’s also true that most people who think they can write actually can’t — their output is more on par with Lady Raine’s, or worse. (And yes, I know, LR doesn’t consider herself a writer. A point in her favor. But, speaking of LR, she’s still here, eh? Fascinating)

In all sincerity you have just insulted ALL female writers (even the shitty ones) by comparing them to me. I can honestly say I’ve never written an thing or even READ another person’s blog in my life until last Spring when I started my own here at WordPress…..so using me as an example is really unfair to pretty much ALL female writers of ANY kind. Even Anne Rice.

I admit, though….I read A LOT and always have my whole life, but I can count on one hand how many fictional works I recall reading. And no, I’m not trying to sound like a “book nerd” in saying that I read only non-fiction, but it’s kind of the truth. Growing up in my household, the evening after school when most families watch tv and relax….my dad would crack his book and the house must be kept silent (meaning that’s how I became an avid reader of only non-fiction).

My knowledge of fictional male OR female writers is less than what it should be for someone who reads in general as much as I do. I guess I need to expand my horizons and read something other than “technical” stuff.

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Lady Raine December 11, 2009 at 11:16

As for the discussion about women apparently “sharing intimate details of their relationships”, this is a new phenomena for me. I didn’t realize that women actually do this. I can’t even think of a time in my life when I discussed my actual “sex life” or “sex with boyfriend” details with even my sister or family…..the most I’d share in that way is maybe my general sexual preference….never details about “sex with Guy A” or “what I did with my ex in bed” type of thing.

….let alone with “girlfriends” or strangers. Then again, I was also shocked reading on PUA sites the DETAILED daily recounts of “last nights fight with the gf” or “sex with my wife” or even pictures of the woman they just HAD sex with!!!

This totally reinforces me never ever allowing a guy to take a “sexy pic” or video of me. Even if he begged me. I’m sooooo glad that there are none of those floating around anywhere, because from what I’ve seen in the blogging world, both men AND women are perfectly happy sharing intimate details and photos of their spouses or bf/gf with whomever is interested in hearing it.

THAT really is a surprise to me from BOTH sides of the gender fence and BOTH sides are definitely equally guilty of publicizing their sexual “trysts”.

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Steezer December 11, 2009 at 14:44

In all sincerity you have just insulted ALL female writers (even the shitty ones) by comparing them to me.

I was referring to men and women. Far more people, of both sexes, think they can write than actually can do so.

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Racer X December 11, 2009 at 16:38

Whiskey,
Yes, Jane Austin is a fine writer and Pride and Prejudice is certainly one of the best novels of all time and has rightly earned its place in literary and cultural history. Your analogy of Jane using careful consideration of a mate is a good one. Don’t rush into marriage.

Slwerner,
No doubt women talk about sex in more salacious details among their women friends then men do among their male friends. I know this from countless conversations with women on this topic. Exception: when a girl dumps a guy then the guy enjoys telling every detail to their sex lives, of her and her body, likes and dislikes, to every guy he comes across. It is a glorious and entertaining male ritual which I have been privy too countless times.

I am sure Lady Raine has a huge clit and she probably likes to fuck like a man. I bet she enjoys it hard, fast and for hours on end. She is most likely a screamer too. I’d fuck her, if nothing more than just to see what it would be like.

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Renee December 11, 2009 at 16:46

Lady Raine’s last post reminded me of something.

What about sexting, when women and girls send naked photos of themselves to their boyfriends without the intention of it being showed to others? Would you say that guys showing those naked pictures to others is somewhat equivalent to women sharing intimate details of their significant others to each other?

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Renee December 11, 2009 at 16:48

Or perhaps this doesn’t happen with couples….

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Welmer December 11, 2009 at 17:18

Or perhaps this doesn’t happen with couples….

-Renee

Exactly. I can’t think of any husbands who show their friends pictures of their wives naked. Although I’m sure a few guys like that exist, it isn’t exactly something men approve of and look up to.

Many women, on the other hand, seem to take a perverted pride in revealing intimate sexual details of their marriages to others. Truly disgusting.

Sociopathic Revelation December 11, 2009 at 21:30

“Next time you should prob keep quiet.” LR

Do us a favor and take your own advice. Thanks.

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Eman December 12, 2009 at 01:54

I agree that men should generally avoid women writers. However, there is a very good woman blogger over at “The Thinking Housewife” — http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/

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Lady Raine December 12, 2009 at 09:48

In all sincerity you have just insulted ALL female writers (even the shitty ones) by comparing them to me.

I was referring to men and women. Far more people, of both sexes, think they can write than actually can do so.

I realize that was just a random attempt to insult me, but really I’m amazed at how many “Diesel Machines” Forums/Websites and “Machinist’s Review” Forums/Sites my stuff is linked to. And that’s the only peers I really care about having the respect of (meaning I only care about the opinion of other Machinists, Engineers, etc….. as a peer group. Any other readers are just a nice addition.)

I literally started a blog, slapped some shit down, and I don’t even proofread or read over/spell check my blog posts. I get whatever info I need, dig facts out of the recesses of my brain, and throw them down……and yet it amazes me that someone like myself who has no interest in writing about anything at all…..still gets links to professional Engineering & Tech sites. I’d be really upset, though if I was linked to Feminist/Girlie sites instead.

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Lady Raine December 12, 2009 at 09:54

That’s ridiculous. Men are notorious for being gossipers. I always thought that was something that was a “correct” stereotype about women (the gossiping, I mean)…..until I worked in Machine Shops.

Even old, married, blue-collar men gossip like Jew-Women about other men, wives, bosses, etc. I thought this was maybe an individual phenomena, but since I’ve worked a lot of places and usually ONLY work with men (and rarely any women at all) it is a FACT that men or ANY age, class, or career path really DO gossip and share FAR more details than women do.

I never thought it could be true or even possible considering how nasty and catty office-women especially are. But in truth, men really DO tell more, share more, show pics more, etc.

You can deny it alllllllll day, but it was something I’d have never believed myself had I not literally witnessed it every single day.

*As for the thing about dirty pics, even when a guy tries to use the argument “Well no one uses my cell but me….come on just ONE picture” I always tell them that men are also notorious for leaving their phones laying around, letting their drunken guy friends use them, and subsequently guess what? Have access to any naughty pics a guy might have on his phone. All it takes is ONE dirty pic to fall into the hands of some drunken sleaze friend who decides to plaster them all over the internet. I really don’t believe that there are still women (other than porn-stars) who allow ANY man….even a husband to take compromising photos or video of them?

I mean honestly, that’s like saying “oh I’d never need a prenup, my man just wouldn’t do that.” Sheer stupidity. There is NO MAN that you can trust with compromising photos. Not even one. They have no control over themselves and WILL show them to a friend at some point. Who knows what that “friend” is all about. Seriously, any woman or man who allows “sex pics” to be taken is an idiot and totally deserves the resulting shame from it.*

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Lady Raine December 12, 2009 at 10:07

Lol….”thinking housewife”…..as if such a thing exists.

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Billy December 12, 2009 at 18:34

I do not know why this is true but I will say with 100% confidence what your saying is true, “women who writers, especially artistic or opinionated types” these women should be avoided like the black plague. I know this from personal experience and observation.

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anonymous lady December 18, 2009 at 22:48

So… men aren’t likewise guilty of writing about their romantic exploits, or sharing large volumes of self-important opinions? I guess that never happens.

What’s most ironic here is that a favorite female author of so many Spearhead adherents, Ayn Rand, is about as self-importantly opinionated and lewd as they come (she notoriously seduced a married man into bed with her, and then rendered him a pariah amongst her elitist “club” when he came to came to his senses and realized she was an ugly, classist, inhuman cunt).

And if we resort to blogging about our romantic lives — which, first of all, not all of us do — it’s preferable to the litany of men I’ve encountered who seem to think that forwarding dirty pictures of ex-girlfriends who were (admittedly) foolish enough to trust them is in any way acceptable.

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Icaros December 19, 2009 at 02:23

So… men aren’t likewise guilty of writing about their romantic exploits, or sharing large volumes of self-important opinions? I guess that never happens.

You shouldn’t conflate these two. Most men do have a tendency to occasionally be self-important blowhards and opine ceaselessly on topics of interest, but writing in detail about their romantic exploits is much rarer. In a critical and detailed manner even more so.

Women seem to have more leeway here thanks to their higher SMV. There’s always men who can look past that kind of behavior in women, but I have a feeling that a man who would disparage their exes in public would have more trouble finding company. It’s not seen as manly.

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crella December 19, 2009 at 03:43

Lol….”thinking housewife”…..as if such a thing exists.

Just out to rub every demographic the wrong way, eh?

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