Elin Nordegren: World’s Most Expensive Hooker?

by W.F. Price on December 10, 2009

The Tiger Woods affair has degenerated into what we all should have expected given what our society has become. A dozen women surrounding the golf star have emerged from the confines of their virtual harem, babbling and gesticulating to the gawking, gaping crowd, otherwise known as the audience, spilling truckloads of dirty laundry into the public square. In the meanwhile, Tiger Woods is still hiding out, presumably until his busted lip and broken tooth can be fixed and he can once again display his $110 million smile.

Tiger’s wife Elin, the blond Swedish bikini model, must have known what she was getting into when she married Tiger, because all women with at least a thimbleful of sense know that wealthy, famous men have options upon which they are widely known to act. Also, being a Swede, she knows well that adultery is common and rarely prosecuted; her homeland, in fact, was one of the pioneers in its decriminalization. Elin knew these things, but she liked being attached to a wealthy, famous man all the same because, well, that made her wealthy and famous.

Some may say that she loves Tiger Woods, but I’m not so sure most men really understand the nature of a woman’s love. If the behavior of liberated women is any indication, women do not so much love the man as they love what the man makes her. This is, perhaps, the biggest mistake men make in relationships: they believe that women love them in the same way that they love a woman. A man’s love is focused on something outside of himself, whereas a woman’s love is very closely connected to her feelings about herself. Given this fundamental difference, it was likely the shame brought on by tabloid exposés that sent Elin into a towering rage, triggering her violent attack on her husband. If she had suspected him of indiscretions before, and she probably did, she was willing to preserve his image in order to preserve her own. It is only when she was publicly shamed that she escalated the situation and created a public situation by going for the face, which is a socially aggressive form of violence that is deeply rooted in primate psychology.

If Elin was really only upset about Tiger’s violation of the marital trust, she could have made it perfectly clear that she would either forgive him for his adultery on the condition that he gave it up and lived as an honest husband, or leave him and move on with her life. She chose neither. Instead, Elin Nordegren chose to renegotiate the prenup she had worked out with Tiger, accepting an $80 million payoff to remain married to him for another seven years. With that act, she has shattered any illusions about her marriage having any purpose other than self-aggrandizement. I can only speculate as to why Tiger would agree to it, but I’ll assume that his hand being forced, he has decided that it is in his financial interests not to go through a divorce at this point, as the disclosures in a divorce suit would further tarnish the lucrative, wholesome public face that has so recently been beaten bloody. Whether this is the case or not, I think it is a bad move on his part. For all intents and purposes, his marriage is over. It would have been better for him to bite the bullet, endure a year or so of horror and then get on with life. Taking a stand and fighting back is the only sane option for men these days. The coward dies a thousand deaths, as they say.

One thing about the prenup that I would like to know is whether or not Tiger Woods is still entitled to sex with his wife under its terms, although I doubt he had the guts to make any such demand. If he did not, he is merely paying for discretion, but if so he is purchasing sexual services to the tune of $11 million/year, which would likely make Elin Nordegren the world’s highest earning sex worker. In all likelihood, he is buying a bit of both, which is precisely what men do when they pay prostitutes.

A number of commenters on The Spearhead have made the observation that marriage is now suitable mainly for the wealthy, and is fast becoming meaningless to all others. But if Tiger and Elin’s marriage is typical of the arrangement that the wealthy make, is it proper to call it “marriage” at all? Perhaps concubinage might be a better term, but even in that ancient custom we find a certain restraint on the part of the female in regards to demands, so it would be more accurate to view the new paradigm in its proper context: the unfettered commodification of sexuality on an open market. In short, it is prostitution.

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Rebel December 10, 2009 at 13:33

“women do not so much love the man as they love what the man makes her.”

That one sentence says everything. The man must comply to the woman’s every desire and make her feel great and special. Just like a princess…

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Chuck December 10, 2009 at 13:39

To clarify, Elin apparently went after Tiger because she caught him texting a woman – probably Uchitel.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 13:41

To clarify, Elin apparently went after Tiger because she caught him texting a woman – probably Uchitel.

-Chuck

After the tabloids came out with the story, though. There’s a reason she was checking that phone.

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zed December 10, 2009 at 14:18

And, it does look like this is turning out to be the world’s most expensive indiscretion for Tiger.

“Fellow PGA pros speak out on Tiger Woods: ‘A phony and a fake’ ”

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Fellow-PGA-pros-speak-out-on-Tiger-Woods-quot-?urn=golf,207961

I think the dude is toast.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 14:25

And, it does look like this is turning out to be the world’s most expensive indiscretion for Tiger.

“Fellow PGA pros speak out on Tiger Woods: ‘A phony and a fake’ ”

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Fellow-PGA-pros-speak-out-on-Tiger-Woods-quot-?urn=golf,207961

I think the dude is toast.

-zed

If he’d gone public with the DV he’d be doing a lot better at this point. If he hadn’t gotten married, he’d be fine. This prenup deal was about the dumbest thing I think he could have done. He must have let some attorney or publicist talk him into that.

From the article, it doesn’t seem other golfers are all that impressed by his wife, either:

“Crane also hinted that Elin Woods could have known all about Woods’ alleged extramarital activities. “She’s no fool,” he said, and speculated that she possibly “turned a blind eye because of the money and the kids and the lifestyle he provides.””

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Tom December 10, 2009 at 14:34

“marriage is now suitable mainly for the wealthy”

Actually, I would think exactly the opposite: wealthy men have much more to lose (wealth, family home and businesses) through marriage and much less to gain (sex? big deal! they can order any cocktail waitress with their cocktail :)

It is the under-class of men that have few options, that end up selling their body and soul to marriage. For them, marriage is like a brand new “credit card”: they’ll end up paying much more for their “free lunch” over the course of their life than it was worth…

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Gx1080 December 10, 2009 at 14:36

The difference between the Brad Pitt and the George Clooney of the world: The latter don’t become intimidated by women. Tiger become a shriveling beta, and if we know women as we do, she will divorce him anyways.

Of course, that will be after a long and agonizing torture and the complete destruction of his dignity and the theft of his money. This is just the start.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 14:40

“If the behavior of liberated women is any indication, women do not so much love the man as they love what the man makes her”

Women are not capable of love as us men understand it. Women love what he man provides. Not the man himself. As far as I can tell this has always been true from necessity. To believe a woman loves you like you love her is just plain ignorant, like I used to be.

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Globalman December 10, 2009 at 14:43

“All women are whores” Disk Masterson.

I keep singing the praised of his worship the most holy Dick but others seem to be ignoring him. Dick Masterson has already written the book on women. And it’s an amazing book at that. That one line, properly understood, tells most men all they need to know. Women are whores. That is their nature. Their nature is to trade sex for ‘babies and money’. So once the state guarantees them ‘babies and money sans husband’ the husband gets the flick. The Illuminati know exactly what they are doing…and Elin is just one more whore. And hell, being swedish she won’t even be any good in bed.

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whiskey December 10, 2009 at 14:51

The point of rich men only can afford marriage is not the uber-wealthy like Tiger ($1 billion lifetime earnings) but rather the guys who make $5-10 million a lifetime. THAT is capital that must be hoarded, because divorce does not mean a continuing Hamptons summer beach house lifestyle, but life in the ordinary suburbs.

The uber-rich like Tiger or McCartney or Trump write checks. And go on. The middle class shrumps like Sandra Tsing Loh’s husband get divorced. The lower class ones never get married in the first place. And the “middling rich” struggle on to preserve capital. Think the characters in the “Nanny Diaries.” In real life they don’t get divorced because there goes the penthouse and beach house.

As far as Woods goes, he’s struggling to save something. Now the floodgates are opened, and every woman he had sex with is coming out to exploit the situation and make money. He is in fact a joke, and his arrogant demeanor and lack of good-guy affability (think Peyton Manning or Brett Favre) making fun of himself (a crucial attribute to get guys to like you as a man) and lack of humor period (guys forgive a lot if you are funny) makes him dead meat among men. And among his corporate sponsors who don’t want a “joke” which Woods is now as their symbol.

What I find interesting is how women are critical of Woods, for “handling” his harem, not having one in the first place. They don’t condemn the cheating any more than Edwards, Sanford, Spitzer, or Villaraigosa and Newsome. They just condemn him being indiscreet in having it revealed. Most women would love to join the harem of a young, fit, professional athlete billionaire. Even better, to have an illegitimate child. Most men resent a guy who takes 13 women off the market and counting. Leaving them to fight among the scraps.

Tiger is done. Because men resent him, and women are starting to find him … hot.

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Steezer December 10, 2009 at 14:57

They’re going to stay married? Stupid.

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Doug1 December 10, 2009 at 15:01

I think he could have settled with his wife for a lot less and should have.

The prior prenup gave her 10million but only if she stayed with him for 7 years. She had two more to go. He probably could have divorced her under it’s terms for her extreme DV – attacking his face with a golf club, which can kill someone even in a woman’s hands, breaking a tooth and leaving him bruised and bloody. That’s probably felony assault.

I’d imagine he agreed to renegotiate it for two reasons. 1) his kids; 2) the potential enormous loss in endorsements revenue. And maybe even golf circuit revenue, due to the mental effects. (He’s facing a lot of both as it is now anyway.) As well, recall that even with a big dollar payout he might owe huge child support=alimony.

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Chuck December 10, 2009 at 15:04

whiskey:

They don’t condemn the cheating any more than Edwards, Sanford, Spitzer, or Villaraigosa and Newsome. They just condemn him being indiscreet in having it revealed.

I think this is completely incorrect. Unless they are lying or flat-out unaware of their true feelings on the matter, women I’ve heard talking about this thing he’s a dog and a womanizer. The fact that he has children makes matters worse. The word “douchebag” comes out a lot in conversations about Woods. Women aren’t hating on him because he got caught but because he’s a cheater.

Tiger is done. Because men resent him, and women are starting to find him … hot.

Incorrect again. Whiskey, you always have good viewpoints on things but, as others have pointed out in the past, you’re too doom-and-gloom on these types of issues. Just like Chris Brown, Tiger is not done. The focus will turn to how this affects his golf game. The only way he is done is if he ceases winning golf tournaments. Also, women don’t find him anymore attractive than before. In fact, he’s coming off as a wimp beta which would turn them off more than anything.

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Forbes December 10, 2009 at 15:57

I think Chuck has this right (just above). Tiger has alpha attributes–wealthy, winning athlete much in the public eye. Having traded on that status for sex, has come off as total beta in the way he’s handled the revelations.

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Jules December 10, 2009 at 16:18

and women are starting to find him … hot.

That’s not the impression I’m getting. If anything women think he’s just a creep. They might find bad boy a-holes attractive, but not creeps.

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 16:32

Elin the Felon.

Tiger had the choice to stand up for men’s rights, HIS rights, and prosecute a woman who viciously attacked him for a civil ‘wrong’. He could cooperate with police and have a loveless, boring contractually related person prosecuted for what is really a SERIOUS attack.

And he took out his man card, put a lighter up to it, and burned it like it was the late 60′s.

And now he’s negotiated with his wife to stick around in HIS HOUSE for two more years. As Bernard Chapin has said (on youtube: Pinegrove33), you can’t put blood back into a corpse and call it human.

There needs to be a new word for how idiotic this maneuver really is.

Tiger, in my opinion, is no alpha.

Tiger is proof that a man can be the greatest at his trade, one of the wealthiest people on the planet, bang plenty of chicks…and STILL not have the slightest clue about the duty he has to stick up for himself, and everything he has made for it. He has cowered to the media, cowered to his money-grubbing wife (really, there’s no other label to use for her), and is presently taking it in the ass like a beta that I think he really is.

I’ll still look up to him as one of the greatest golfers of all time, but a role model he is not, for reasons differing than what most people think.

If Tiger wants to cure this, all he needs to say is this: “I’m a man, I’m no different than John at the printer, Mike at the water fountain, or Bob at his desk. I love women, and I am not ashamed for this. My only regret is falling susceptible to the idea that marriage is a necessary part of any man’s life. I’ll always love my kids, but Elin is a boring, loveless girl who still needs to grow up. And I’m not ashamed for doing what I’ve done because she represented herself during our courtship as something she truly wasn’t. ”

Oh, and Whiskey: since the world is burning or whatever….why do you care?

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 16:38

@ Jules

Are you kidding? The only women who wouldn’t sleep with him are 1) the self-righteous moralists who nobody in their rights mind would bed (mostly because they’re disgusting and negligently single as a result), 2) those who are presently in love with someone else, or 3) women who are with alpha men (whatever the legal relationship actually is).

Why is NOBODY speaking of these homewreckers? Why is nobody pointing out that these women KNEW Tiger had a wife, KNEW he had a kid?

I will not utter the words streaming across your mind at this moment.

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 16:52

@Chuck – see my post above. I don’t think this changes anything. There’s no difference between what the girls he was fucking knew, and what they know now. The only difference is that the affairs are now public- perhaps the only barrier to him still bagging cocktail waitresses. They didn’t care then, they likely won’t care now.

What would be interesting is if some girl seduced him the proper way, a la cleopatra or mata hari. Since he’s proven his beta-ness, smart women will step up to the plate and see what wealth they could extract from him.

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newly divorced December 10, 2009 at 16:53

I think he should’ve divorced her and gone after her for DV. She appears to be a gold digger and violent.

He was married so he should own up to the fact that he screwed up royally. But this gives her no right to attack him.

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Cloud December 10, 2009 at 16:56

Tiger should have done this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWotdm8Ouxw

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asd December 10, 2009 at 16:59

Dude, this article is a bitter mess.

1) Cheating and public humiliation is seriously bad. And resorting to violence is a perfectly reasonable response for both men and women. That society treats those responses differently doesn’t change that.

2) You contradict yourself by claiming that Elin both have the option of demanding TW be a honest husband and claiming that she must have known that there’d affairs.

3) Accepting an $80 million pay-off to stay married with her husband does not make her a whore. That’s just retarded.

4) Of course there’s no contractual obligation for sex in the pre-nup. That would be illegal.

5) The marriage was an insane deal for Tiger from the start, but the blame for that lies squarely with Tiger.

6) Marriage is different for rich and powerful men, duh.

In short, your title is wrong and your analysis is shit.

I’ll now leave you to your echo chamber.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 17:06

asd, thank you for pointing out a subtlety that is very important and relevant to the discussion: contradiction in social expectations and outcomes can only be properly revealed through contradiction in analysis.

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 17:12

@Asd

1) DV, whether it be a woman swinging a club at a man, or a man slapping his wife, is NEVER acceptable. And society’s views that it’s ok for a woman to get away with it doesn’t change that. So why are you calling domestic violence ‘perfectly reasonable’. Or, violence in general? The perfectly reasonable response is calling a divorce attorney. Tell me…would it be ok for Elin to have fired off a few rounds at Tiger’s knee-caps? Where is the line drawn for the violence you advocate?

2) I’ll let Welmer clear that up.

3) It does make her a whore. She’s offering to stick around for another few million. She might not be sleeping with her client, but she is getting paid a handsome retainer for exclusivity. Whore might be the wrong word in your defense; i think financial hooker works as a fine substitute.

4) Indeed. Although, one has to wonder why he’d assent to that? It’s clear that she wasn’t satisfying him before, so it’d be stupid of him to request that anyways.

5) Agreed. Tiger is to blame. He should not have been caught up in the middle-class myth of marriage ( I say middle class because that’s his formative years when I’m sure he learned of the ‘importance’ of marriage.)

6) Yup. Tiger is not old money, and he has no power (except with his drives). Tiger is wealthy, but not of the ‘rich and powerful’ grouping in the slightest.

Again, Elin is saying, “I’ll stick around you, Tiger, a man who i’ve attacked for cheating on me with a dozen women, if you pay me an extra five million.” That’s what she’s bargained for. That’s what she’s Agreeing to do.

You may prefer different terms, but it doesn’t change the substance of what she’s doing.

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piercedhead December 10, 2009 at 17:19

It’s interesting the number and variety of people who are reading this site. I was really surprised at how quickly Jack Donovan’s piece on Transsexuals attracted responses from people who knew the subject from personal experience. Now we those who would defend mass denial of female perpetrated DV making themselves known almost as quickly as the story was posted. Impressive.

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Welmer December 10, 2009 at 17:23

Actually, j.d., asd brings up a good legal question. Is a contractual obligation to sex legal in a prenup? I think it should be, as in if the party does not provide sex then the contract is violated. There is no coercion there, as the contract has been agreed to and it can be abandoned by the wife simply by refusing sex. I have friends who have serious issues with their wives refusing sex, and I think in that case they should have at-fault grounds for divorce. If a woman agrees to provide sex in marriage, a man should, without penalty, be perfectly free to leave her and pursue relationships with other women when she denies it.

Any attorneys care to weigh in?

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piercedhead December 10, 2009 at 17:33

I wouldn’t really call Elin Nordegren a whore for accepting $80 million to stay married. She may have been one to get married, but I doubt Woods will be visiting her room again. She’s more like an expensive stage prop that Woods thinks his image is dependent upon, or he considers $80 million now a better deal than what she would get from a divorce court judge.

If Woods retires soon and stays out of the high earnings bracket, by the time the divorce comes around in a few years the chances of him being stuck with enormous monthly maintenance bills based on current earnings are low. Being the world’s greatest and highest paid sportsman is absolutely the worst time for any man to divorce.

No matter how stupid Woods may be, I doubt very much he is under any illusions about being in love with his wife, or her in him, when conducting business negotiations involving such large sums of money. Mind you, I’m assuming he’s sound of mind – a 3-iron around someone’s skull could explain a lot.

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ray December 10, 2009 at 17:39

j.d. –

“Elin the Felon.

Tiger had the choice to stand up for men’s rights, HIS rights, and prosecute a woman who viciously attacked him for a civil ‘wrong’.”

yep, and Elin the Eel would have been uncloaked as the psychotic, vengeful little prostitute she is . . . and by extension, millions of other western females are

and der matriarchy would have taken a BIG hit, with amerika’s great Diversity Hero revealed as a VICTIM of the violence of his lovely, sweet swedish meatball

…. a hit so blatantly public that amerika would be set scrambling to maintain its female = good, male = evil moneymaking facade

how much trouble would PC-land have had washing away THAT little spot, eh mr and mrs macbeth?

but pussycat woods and his advisors decided to stonewall and buy their way out, and to leave his brothers hanging

so now the little punk is gonna be bled dry, there will be no end to the payoffs he’ll be required to make for his “crime”

since his dad died, this guy has gotten nothing but bad advice

supremely talented, fabulously wealthy, globe-trotting and admired by hundreds of millions — but in reality, tiger woods is still just a boy

few ever grow up in der matriarchy

keeping males from becoming men is rather the point

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 17:55

^ Piercehead: as for the payments, though family court judges will give her a good chunk of change, my thoughts are that they would be be reticent to give her what basically amounts to $120,000/yr for doing nothing more than having an asymetrical face, when the judges themselves earn about half that, and have spent a LONG time honing their skills and judgment. I don’t think it’s impossible for her to make $10k/mo (the amount they’d likely request), but it’s fairly improbable.

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 18:08

@Ray

Interesting thoughts. Perhaps all of the incredible amount of press this is getting (as opposed to other highly important topics – Copenhagen comes to mind), is that women are the biggest participants in media consumerism and therefore, they’re going to ignore this very relevant tidbit. In fact, I bet they’ll make this into a made-for-tv movie.

Make no mistake: Tiger is guilty here. He signed the contract and must be held to act by its terms.

As for preventing men from achieving their masculine potential, this documentary, titled “An Emasculating Truth”, is about to be released. It may provide you with some additional information with which to develop your thoughts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3jUumdgPyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3jUumdgPyw

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Chuck December 10, 2009 at 18:21

Welmer:

i apologize for derailing the thread for a moment, but in response to asd’s taunt that she will leave you to your “echo chamber”, i want to point out just how non-echo chamberish The Spearhead actually is. Compared to analogous websites on the female side of the aisle, there is a lot of healthy disagreement between commenters and contributors here. Of course, for the most part the fundamental beliefs are the same, but I’m happy that The Spearhead *is not* an echo chamber.

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chrisj December 10, 2009 at 18:23

I totally agree with the central point of the article, this girl has basically named her price. Like that old joke about asking a woman if she would sleep with you for a million bucks then negotiating downwards. A couple of hundred million must help rationalize a lot of stuff.

There is this australian cricket player named Shane Warne. He is basically a living legend in cricket. His private life went through a similar upheaval after he was exposed for similar off-field activities as Tiger. His wife, and sponsors, left him and he was key feature in the tabloids of cricket following nations. Anyway Warne pretty much took the hit, and while tacitly admitting the extra-marital stuff, he never really confessed or apologized publicly.
While this was late in his career it never effected his game or his standing in cricket, though he would have copped a huge amount of on-field trash talk about it. Now retired he is back with the original wife and he is a very popular figure in australia who is affectionately considered a “larrikin” (A person given to comical or outlandish behavior).

Tiger would do well to try and emulate warne. Admit to himself the damage is done, ignore the media and sponsors demands and get back on the fairways. Like Warne I would not be surprised if his wife goes back to him after a time.

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G December 10, 2009 at 18:31

few ever grow up in der matriarchy

keeping males from becoming men is rather the point

This.

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j.d. December 10, 2009 at 18:36

To add an update, I just read that Elin the Felon is giving Tiger an ultimatum, “Golf, or Marriage”.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2767377/Wifes-quit-call-to-Tiger-Woods.html

(yes, I know The Sun’s reputation. No need to reiterate the obvious).

Elin the Felon needs to take some advice from Kobe’s wife or Beckham’s wife. The fact that she’s telling Tiger to give up golf is the most asinine thing I’ve ever heard of.

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chrisj December 10, 2009 at 18:45

If that article is accurate j.d. then his wife is delusional. Of course the real threat to Tiger is probably the separation from his kids.

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fedrz December 10, 2009 at 18:45

If I had that kind of money, I’d be a smart bastard like Sean Connery and move to a tax haven, and tell everyone to pound sand if they didn’t like what I was doing.

Seriously. What’s the big deal? Woods already lives in Florida, probably has his own jet… the Turks & Caicos is only a hop, skip and a jump away. When the wifey stomps away penniless, you can send her custom made Christmas cards of you and your 20 floozies rolling around in your vault of cash.

Connery is da man. Tosses the caber into the Queen’s eye and still gets made a knight.

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The Fifth Horseman December 10, 2009 at 19:21

How on Earth a man as wealthy as Tiger Woods is not based out of a more man-friendly place like Dubai or Singapore boggles the mind.

A Beta who is superb at golf is still a Beta. In pre-modern times, his skillset would not be monetized, and he might never have mated at all.

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ray December 10, 2009 at 20:10

“How on Earth a man as wealthy as Tiger Woods is not based out of a more man-friendly place like Dubai or Singapore boggles the mind.”

read more closely, that was answered last week

tiger’s got a big thang for hobnobbing with the international elite, esp the east coast fratboy powerbrokers

the jupiter island mansion provides him the delusion that he’s one of the amerikan Old Money in-crowd, which he most soitenly aint … kind of a prequel spin-off of mr. and mrs. robinson’s Movin On Up to the Eastside

now eldrick is starting to pay for his bluenosing and hubris

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Sparks123 December 10, 2009 at 21:19

Most men resent a guy who takes 13 women off the market and counting. Leaving them to fight among the scraps.

Tiger was fucking low-class skanks who go on reality shows or do porn. I’d rather have the “scraps” thank you very much.

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Paul December 11, 2009 at 01:02

Welmer you write -

‘Some may say that she loves Tiger Woods’

Can I give you my definition of a woman’s love? It is a bit convoluted but here it is :-

A woman’s love is an internal state for which there is no external manifestation. However, the existence of this internal state give a woman total ownership of the victim of this love.

I think I will call this the First Law of Despair.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 02:37

@ Welmer

Any attorneys care to weigh in?

I’m no attorney, but I know more than I should about this area of the law.

In California, it is absolutely not possible to include enforceable clauses in a pre-nup mandating sex, or anything else “meretricious” (I think that’s the word). In worst-case scenarios, such attempts have even led to the wholesale scrapping of the prenup itself (including otherwise perfectly legal and even boilerplate clauses) at the “discretion” of certain judges.

It’s probably even worse up there in Washington, where they’re now dividing up property with live-in girlfriends and such upon breakups (see the Pennington case). Too much volcanoes and shit up there… must be something in the air

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Welmer December 11, 2009 at 03:14

Too much volcanoes and shit up there… must be something in the air

-Epo

The best explanation I can think of is that the guys were so busy building airplanes, fishing, logging and designing software that they left the business of running the government to the women. Also, former frontier states have always been very liberal in regards to women’s rights (and privileges). It was the only way to get the women to come in the first place, and I guess the custom stuck.

It’s an industrial thing, too. The farming communities east of the mountains have always been more traditional and conservative, but wherever you had extractive industries such as logging and fishing there was little permanence, and so you got this itinerant sort of “anything goes” morality, where hookers quite literally ran the town in a lot of cases.

If you go to some of the communities in SE Alaska, such as Ketchikan, you can still get an idea of what it was like, because it’s only been a couple of generations since it was that way there as well.

For its part, Seattle was still pretty gritty up through the 1980s, when that mutated into some sort of lesbian fascism (they virtually staged a coup back then in the local Catholic church, believe it or not), from which we are just starting to recover.

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Bob Smith December 11, 2009 at 04:07

Too much volcanoes and shit up there… must be something in the air

It’s a natural progression of feminism. Since feminism posits that women should own their husband’s labor, men cannot be allowed to escape the system by refusing to marry. Men’s assets must be transferred to women, either indirectly via the income tax system, or directly by extending asset division rules to unmarried parties.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 04:40

Tood -

A Beta who is superb at golf is still a Beta. In pre-modern times, his skillset would not be monetized, and he might never have mated at all.

Bollocks. In pre-modern times, his “skillset” obviously wouldn’t consist of golf anymore; it would translate, mutatis mutandis, into an analogous skill appropriate to the time period, such as hitting animals with spears or other projectiles at long range (which would be damn well “monetized”).

You can’t just take a thoroughly modern example, lock, stock, and barrel, and dump it into a time period in which it’s an anachronism. As an illustrious futurist, you should work on that.

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djc December 11, 2009 at 06:05

I have to agree with j.d…Everything this guy did was wrong.
Stick a fork in him.

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Firepower December 11, 2009 at 08:53

Elin Nordegren: World’s Most Expensive Hooker?

As of this moment – the anser is YES.

She’s just keepin’ it realz for da white sistas
by checkin dat man

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Max December 11, 2009 at 09:40

If she had suspected him of indiscretions before, and she probably did, she was willing to preserve his image in order to preserve her own.

Does this bring to mind a certain political dynamic duo? Hillary and Bill?

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Firepower December 11, 2009 at 10:15

Things worked-out magnificently for Billary – Canklekins is now in charge of our foreign diplomacy. It’s working out swimmingly.

See how things come to a grand conclusion, when a videogame addled populace doesn’t give two shits?

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Jabherwochie December 11, 2009 at 11:27

“1) Cheating and public humiliation is seriously bad. And resorting to violence is a perfectly reasonable response for both men and women. That society treats those responses differently doesn’t change that.”

Well hot damn. I think I just got justification from a female to beat my wife for the one time she cheated on me. (Pre-marraige, and trust me, it worked out to my benefit, and still does to this day. Lets just say she never brings up my past behavior. The day it happened, I instantly was thinking, “I’ve got this bitch now.” I proudly keep that nuclear issue in my back pocket. Only had to use it twice or so before it completely changed her behavior and I never have had to use it since. Mutually assured destruction is wonderful for keeping the peace. She says I can cheat on her one time as a freebie. I’m leaning towards never using that, as A: Its bullshit and B: The power I maintain by not. But who knows…having that one time option is almost better than using said option. It allows my daily ogling fantasies feel a little closer to reality.)

And society treats those things differently because of one important reason; women wanted it that way. I seriously doubt it was men who encouraged adultry to be decriminalized. I don’t know for sure, but I would be shocked to find out otherwise. And on the other side of the coin, women have always been the ones to inflate violence as something beyond horrible and inhumane. My brother beat the shit out of me three times in our lives. You think I don’t love him, or he me. We still joke about those incidents. (I never took him once, something about beating up older brothers, goes against the laws of nature or something) Sometimes violence is just mild violence. Its not that bad. I’ve had the shit kicked out of me plenty, and never thought twice about it. Hell, I loved the stories it gave me. I remember sitting on the line as Pledge for my Fraternity with one eye black and swollen shut where two guys from the neighboring Fraternity got a cheap kick in. (I was actaully besting the two of them until one guy starting saying it was all a mistake and made peace, so I started to let the other guy go, and when I did he used that oppurtunity to run up and kick me in the eye. I’m pretty sure he was wearing boots also. Blacked out for a couple seconds while they ran. Pussies.) Anyways, I was standing on the Pledge line and an Alumni asked me what happened, and I said “I got in a fight.”, (him) “Did you win? (Me) “Well,…there was two of them.” And he smiled, and we continued. I’ve still got the scar, but my eyebrow hides it mostly. Worth it? That smile of his was priceless. It was an affirmation of my manhood. Damn right it was worth it. What do I dwell on? The constant games and rejection that women forced on me. That shit was worse than physical violence. Women made their bed, but when it doesn’t suit them, they don’t want to lie in it. Suprise, surpise. Go figure.

(As an admitted attention whore, I’ll probably work in a fight story from time to time. Where is Kis by the way? Welmer, did you ban her or something?)

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Globalman December 11, 2009 at 11:37

Tiger should throw the bitch to the curb, dis-own the children, move into my apartment building, and live my lifestyle. He has so much money he never has to work again.

When more men simply refuse to engage in the retarded and disgusting institution that marriage has become, and throw their messed up wives out at first offence we will see some change around here.

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Globalman December 11, 2009 at 11:45

Jabherwochie December 11, 2009 at 11:27 am
“1) Cheating and public humiliation is seriously bad. And resorting to violence is a perfectly reasonable response for both men and women. That society treats those responses differently doesn’t change that.”

“Well hot damn. I think I just got justification from a female to beat my wife for the one time she cheated on me.”

Yeah Jab, I wish I had known this. So that all those times my ex attempted to humiliate me in public I should have just gone up and punched her in the face……oh, and when she used to hit the kids in the head when they were little? Now I realise I should have punched her and smacked her around so she would learn not to do that instead of talking with her and reasoning with her that she might hurt our children with her violent abuse…

Oh, and yeah, all those times she would attempt to humiliate me and put me down when I was asking her to make love with me? What was I thinking taking her to marriage counselling? I should have just smacked her one and then thrown her on the bed and raped her……eh? How could I have been so stupid as to talk with her and treat her like an adult….shit..I am so dumb….

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Expatriate December 11, 2009 at 11:47

My brother beat the shit out of me three times in our lives. You think I don’t love him, or he me. We still joke about those incidents. (I never took him once, something about beating up older brothers, goes against the laws of nature or something) Sometimes violence is just mild violence. Its not that bad. I’ve had the shit kicked out of me plenty, and never thought twice about it. Hell, I loved the stories it gave me.

This is very true.

I have had some serious fights with friends growing up where punches were thrown & lips got busted. I am still friends with everyone of them & we can’t even remember what started some of those fights. None of us considered that to be “abuse”.

It was at the behest of feminists that even minor squabbles became DV. I don’t mean serious physical abuse but a slap in the heat of the moment is now DV even if the woman herself doesn’t want the cops involved.

Things are so absurd that they arrested some poor schmuck because he threw an onion at his wife in some US state.

I have an Armenian friend who once lost his temper after his wife taunted & provoked him & began throwing stuff at him (by her own admission), he slapped her a couple of times & kicked her out of the home. She went to her parents home where they let her stay a few hours until things calmed down & then told her to call up her husband to pick her up. They bluntly told her that once married she had her own family & belonged with her husband not with them & not to bring shame on them again. He picked her up that night & they have been together for the last 10 years, no more troubles that I know of.

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zed December 11, 2009 at 19:38

Tiger Woods to take ‘indefinite’ leave from golf

By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer
5 minutes ago

Tiger Woods said Friday he is taking an indefinite leave from golf to try to save his marriage, the biggest fallout yet from two shocking weeks filled with allegations of rampant extramarital affairs.

“I need to focus my attention on being a better husband, father, and person,” Woods said on his Web site.

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-tigerwoods&prov=ap&type=lgns

He’s toast.

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The Fifth Horseman December 11, 2009 at 20:28

Epoxy,

Bollocks. In pre-modern times, his “skillset” obviously wouldn’t consist of golf anymore; it would translate, mutatis mutandis, into an analogous skill appropriate to the time period, such as hitting animals with spears or other projectiles at long range (which would be damn well “monetized”).

And he would probably be quite average at both of those things, rather than at the very top of *any* field that existed centuries ago.

All the fields that existed then, are ones he would have, in all probability, be quite average at.

Or do you actually believe he would be a one-in-a-billion talent even in centuries past, but simply in the fields of those days? Would Bill Gates still be the richest man in the world if he were born in the 12th century?

I am surprised you are having trouble comprehending a very simple. clearly stated point. You should work on that.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 20:41

All the fields that existed then, are ones he would have, in all probability, be quite average at.

Or do you actually believe he would be a one-in-a-billion talent even in centuries past, but simply in the fields of those days? Would Bill Gates still be the richest man in the world if he were born in the 12th century?

Apples and oranges, dude. One long-range act of coordination (golf) could quite reasonably translate into another (spear throwing). And obviously I wasn’t saying that an exact replica of Tiger would necessarily be the world’s top spear-thrower; I was saying that a similar “skillset” would be quite “monetized” back then, contra your post.
But yeah, an exact replica of Tiger would have a good chance. In the same way that, say, an NFL player would have a better shot at rugby success than some random guy off the street.

Gates is different, because his success had absolutely no equivalent in primitive times. So, if you’d originally chosen Gates and not Woods, your point would have been better made.

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The Fifth Horseman December 11, 2009 at 20:52

Apples and oranges, dude.

Not at all. My main point, lest there be any confusion, is that *many* of the skillsets that lead to great wealth today, would not have done the same in years past, and vice-versa.

The greatest executioners and swordsmen of the 14th century would perhaps be doing well in some physical field today, but not be earning all that much relative to the average.

This, I think you agree with.

Tiger Woods would have been nobody in centuries past. Maybe he would do better as a traveling circus act demonstrating a feat of coordination, than in archery or spear-throwing. But he would still not have the monarch-level wealth at a young age that he has today, no matter what.

There is a huge difference between ‘above average’ and ‘one-in-a-billion’.

Now, I am much more willing to say that the topmost athelete in football, boxing, MMA, etc. would have done better in the 14th century than the top golfer.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 21:16

Yeah. OK.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 21:16

(srsly)

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 21:18

I was also interpreting “pre-modern” as way long ago, like, long enough ago that spear-throwing would have a direct positive effect on survival.

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The Fifth Horseman December 11, 2009 at 21:19

Also, skill transferral is a lot harder than one may think.

When Michael Jordan went to baseball, he was quite mediocre. Better than the average person, yes, but certainly not good enough to be a successful MLB player. There are extremely few athletes that do two sports well enough to be in the top tier.

Olympic marathon runners don’t do well enough to compete at Olympic level in sprints, and vice-versa.

Athletes are not always the ones who win contests like ‘Dancing with the Stars’.

So you are taking a *much* wider assumption of skill portability than there is evidence to support.

So the two flaws in your argument are :

1) The top golfer would be a top spear thrower (rather than just above average).
2) The top spear thrower would become a monarch or equivalent, wealth-wise.

I don’t these either of these two assumptions can be made.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 21:27

So you are taking a *much* wider assumption of skill portability than there is evidence to support.

Well, yeah, fine. But if you’re going to argue from the standpoint of transferring EXACT skill sets, then nobody who is successful/alpha/at the top of the heap in today’s world would be back then.
Nobody at all.
Your argument is the same as saying “MacArthur or Rommel wouldn’t have been so hot in the Peloponnesian War, because wars were fought differently”, or “Donald Trump couldn’t have made his fortune in Anasazi apartments”. True, but trivial.

As I said before, it’s the analogous skill sets, adapted to the needs of the times, that matters.

Also, why are you shifting the goalposts from “a Beta is still a Beta” to making a shit-ton of wealth? Your original argument had nothing to do with wealth.

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Epoxytocin No. 87 December 11, 2009 at 21:29

(I interpreted “monetized” in way pre-pre-modern terms … as in, spear throwing is monetized because you kill game, eat it, and live to see the next week)

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LIL December 11, 2009 at 21:30

Tood –

A Beta who is superb at golf is still a Beta. In pre-modern times, his skillset would not be monetized, and he might never have mated at all.

And then:

1) The top golfer would be a top spear thrower (rather than just above average).
2) The top spear thrower would become a monarch or equivalent, wealth-wise.

Interesting…so the only guys who procreate are Alphas, and by Alphas, we are talking about monarchs (or equivalent, wealth-wise). I did not know this.

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Welmer December 12, 2009 at 03:00

I was also interpreting “pre-modern” as way long ago, like, long enough ago that spear-throwing would have a direct positive effect on survival.

-Epo

Good spear-chucking definitely got you a good job on a whaling boat a couple hundred years ago.

I imagine someone with Tiger’s discipline and sublime hand-eye coordination skills probably would have easily found a solid career a couple hundred years ago, but he wouldn’t have been anywhere near as wealthy and celebrated as he is today. In primitive society he would have been an excellent hunter, but that doesn’t make you chief or top shaman. There, social skills were more important, and Tiger’s seem to be somewhat lacking.

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The Fifth Horseman December 12, 2009 at 03:47

Lil,

Interesting…so the only guys who procreate are Alphas, and by Alphas, we are talking about monarchs (or equivalent, wealth-wise). I did not know this.

No, not at all. But it is known that throughout human genetic history (of which 99% occurred before 1800), about 80% of women and 40% of men reproduced. Polygamy used to exist too, remember.

This means that all alphas and a large minority of Betas reproduced. In other words, Omegas and some Betas had zero offspring, some Betas had 1-3, and Alphas sometimes just 1-3, but sometimes as many as 500 kids (like Genghis Khan).

But 60% of men didn’t reproduce at all.

Hence the word might in the original statement. Tiger is acting very Beta, unlike, say Silvio Berlusconi in a similar situation.

Epoxy,

Your original argument had nothing to do with wealth.

I didn’t even expect the ‘Beta is still Beta’ point to even go in the direction that you took it, so my subsequent points are in response to that.

You are the one who said golf would ‘translate’ into spear-throwing (a stretch speculation at best, given the Jordan/Baseball and sprint/marathon examples I gave), which makes it necessary to point out that earning monarch-level wealth via golf in 2009, even if such a man were good at spear throwing, would be totally out of his reach in centuries past. The ‘good enough to hunt well’ vs. Top 0.00001% apex distinction, which is massive, was what you were omitting.

Welmer,

but he wouldn’t have been anywhere near as wealthy and celebrated as he is today. In primitive society he would have been an excellent hunter, but that doesn’t make you chief or top shaman. There, social skills were more important, and Tiger’s seem to be somewhat lacking.

Which is exactly what I have been saying. Nothing more, nothing less. Quite simple, really.

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gwallan December 12, 2009 at 03:51

Welmer said…
Good spear-chucking definitely got you a good job on a whaling boat a couple hundred years ago.

Good spear-chucking got me my first job in 1979. It gave me the opportunity to travel all over my country for free through much of the eighties. It also gave me the opportunity to hobnob with the rich and famous on many an occasion.

All in all spear-chucking was very good to me.

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Orka December 12, 2009 at 17:12

Get real people. You honestly believe this was a “real” marriage from the get-go? Keep dreaming. Elin started out as a prostitute, and now has raised the price for her services despite the economic down-turn. Prostitutes tend to excel in this department, where they have intimate knowledge of their clients’ lives, and abilities, in this case the client being an extremely wealthy person.

Simply put, Tiger is a wealthy loser, and he got involved with a poor loser. The poor loser started out with undercover prostitution, and is now engaged in full blown prostitution, all the while with the knowledge that she is worth millions by simply being married to the wealthy loser.

Take a look at Tiger, and honestly, apart from his wealth, what do you see? All I see is a not-good-looking undesirable mixed breed who would have nothing of value to offer any marriage had he not had any money. This is the hard truth, whether you like it or not.

Tiger woods is proof positive of how dumb and bored the general population is. I have never been vegetated enough to watch a golf match, yet society at large has proven that playing a game of golf is so important that someone out there needs to be a billionaire for doing so, while the nation is in shambles with job and home losses.

The most likely aspect of this marriage is that it was a setup from the beginning, using the idea of a blonde Swedish “trophy wife” for a wealthy guy who undoubtedly feels inferior and uncomfortable with his own race, in this case being multiple races resulting in a bad mixture.

We live in a sick world, and I am sorry to say it will not get any better any time soon. Meanwhile high profile prostitutes like Elin have never been in short supply for the rich and famous and in our modern times they have evolved from simply providing sex, to becoming a spouse.

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Keating December 12, 2009 at 22:13

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/exclusive-mistress-tried-have-tiger-woods-baby-without-his-knowledge

This just gets better and better.

Seriously, Tiger woods MUST become the poster child for the MGTOW movement.

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chic noir December 13, 2009 at 16:32

* pulls out shield*

Well the reports say that Tiger allegedly went unprotected with his harem. So really, I can look the other way on his wife beating him down. What if he gave her an STD? Penicillin doesn’t kill everything fellas!!! What if he impregnated another woman?

If thing were the genders were switched, I could look the other way too.

* ducks and runs for cover behind Clarence*

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make money oneline December 14, 2009 at 10:59

i feel , The Spearhead have made the observation that marriage is now suitable mainly for the wealth

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ote vah December 15, 2009 at 18:34

shocking that most comments here are from Neandrathols or uneducated male hillbillies…

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Sh0t December 19, 2009 at 17:29

You guys forget a very important point about Tiger’s decision to get married: it enabled him to earn a billion dollars. If he didn’t marry Elin, he never would have had that same family-guy appeal. he would have made money, probably a hundred million, but not nearly one billion without the image his wife life to his.

So he loses a few dozen million to make a billion. A good deal.

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Sean_MacCloud December 20, 2009 at 00:49

ote vah December 15, 2009 at 6:34 pm

shocking that most comments here are from Neandrathols or uneducated male hillbillies…

Explain that.

If your aptitude can.

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Sean_MacCloud December 20, 2009 at 01:48

chic noir December 13, 2009 at 4:32 pm

* pulls out shield*

Well the reports say that Tiger allegedly went unprotected with his harem. So really, I can look the other way on his wife beating him down. What if he gave her an STD? Penicillin doesn’t kill everything fellas!!! What if he impregnated another woman?

And the chicks in the beaten wife shelters do they same shit as tiger. Yet we call them victims and give them billions of dollars in total when their spouses act out their stress and humiliation. And few of those beaten wives were chased by golf club wielders. (Just shoulder shakers and wrist grabbers; then the missues smacks/scratches/hairpulls and gets what she deserves).

If thing were the genders were switched, I could look the other way too.

Well that’s the be-all end-all.

Females have sexual leverage; always have. (That is the key.) Stopping the males from disciplining the females, increased female sexual leverage; it snowballed from there.

(The reason males stopped disciplining females was grappled with at my blog under ‘how feminism happened’ –September.)

(Males are afraid of each other. And they want to display rank at each others’ expense. Eg “you CAN’T hit my sister/daughter if she’s your girl”. _Feminism is the side effect of males pulling each other down successfully snowballing._ Once pulled down, the top /most masculine females became emboldened. Female leverage snowballed more from there.)

If the males discipline the females, the females lose sexual leverage. It will snowball from there.

There is a catch 22 there though: if we had a breed of males who could stomach the disciplining of females –and more t0 the point could feel comfortable in the presence of each others’ tough “stomachs”– (and could grasps that intellectually) we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

Females are very afraid of male physical discipline. They instinctively know how devastating that would be for everything here, being generally of higher psychological cut than the gitdom of modern western men (who are really the left over runts of many coups).

So you are accepting men controlling and disciplining cheating wives with golf clubs?…

I simply advocate the rubber hose to the back of the legs (in public pillories if needed). (Euthanasia for the incorrigible.) That will do nicely. Then that snowball leads to the control of female teen sexual/dating chicanery infidelity. Then that snowball leads to the use of young females for sex/reproduction again.

Given man’s recent techno knowledge and philosophical epiphanies –material cause and effect, naturalism and bio determinism– that could lead to the replacing/heavy modification of the female human with bio technology (so as to act as a cork/crypt preventing these “troubles” from ever bubbling out of the sewer again).

All of that entails a post-christian society _for the men_. Christian males in this day and age are very demonstrably mentally weak, stupid or insane. Christianity is a slave cult. For the re tethered females, Christendumb is fine.

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I ask female/s rhetorically.

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Sean_MacCloud December 20, 2009 at 19:44

bump

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Sean_MacCloud December 26, 2009 at 15:24

Bump for violence.

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Brian December 26, 2009 at 16:34

DV, whether it be a woman swinging a club at a man, or a man slapping his wife, is NEVER acceptable. And society’s views that it’s ok for a woman to get away with it doesn’t change that. So why are you calling domestic violence ‘perfectly reasonable’. Or, violence in general? The perfectly reasonable response is calling a divorce attorney. Tell me…would it be ok for Elin to have fired off a few rounds at Tiger’s knee-caps? Where is the line drawn for the violence you advocate?

I don’t totally agree that it’s never acceptable. Ideally, no one should resort to violence against one another, but if it’s a matter of self-defense (e.g., a woman throwing an object, or hitting a man in a hysterical rage), then a man has every right to physically stop or restrain her as he sees fit, including slapping his wife. Men have absolutely no use for DV laws. They were never meant to help us, and in fact were meant to be used against us.

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nightstalker September 10, 2010 at 09:04

I knew when tiger marry this whore and was introduce to him by that playboy golfer was a mess. This is how people use their bodies and children just to make money. In her country you can count the milloniares on one hand, now she is the queen with to spook-a-boos hanging on this is going to get better. Watch who runs her down to get some of tiger’s whores money. I knew working with degenerate golfers who only claim to fame is segregation of people to a game that is still white only in some areas of the country. good luck with your dollars and hope the people of your country accept them as pure as you. Well Mr. Woods now has peace of mind and will start playing better. This is plain greed and the people of color around the world should now try to be careful of not marrying people outside their color. Case in point how many NFL and MLB players that are white marrying black women.

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