Amanda Knox and the Price American Women Pay

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by W.F. Price on December 4, 2009

Although it appears to us that American women have an unmitigated advantage in society, and perhaps they do here at home, their character has already begun to affect their reputation abroad. American women are viewed as headstrong, masculine, fat, loud and domineering career-oriented feminists by much of the world. Many American men strongly advise rejecting them altogether in favor of foreign women. In fact, a number of American men advise rejecting American society altogether, as the United States is deemed one the most miserable places to be a man, relatively speaking (which counts for a lot), in the entire world.

Whether or not the stereotypes foreigners have regarding American women are true, they are evidently strongly held, and one American woman in particular is fighting for her life in a bid to overcome hostility toward American women and all they have come to represent the world over. This young woman is an ordinary, middle-class Catholic girl from my hometown of Seattle, who got caught up in a murder while studying abroad in Perugia, Italy. Her name is Amanda Knox, and she is on trial, accused of murdering her roommate, UK national Meredith Kercher, in a satanic sex orgy with her Italian boyfriend and an African transient.

A verdict is expected in the case very soon, perhaps today, following a gruelling trial that has dragged on for about a year. Shortly after the murder, reporters dug up Amanda’s Myspace and other online social networking accounts, from which they managed to paint a picture of a sex-crazed, drunken, pot-smoking whore. A video of a drunk, stoned Amanda Knox made the rounds, making her an easy target for such accusations. Her nickname, “Foxy Knoxy,” which her friends and family claim refers to her soccer-playing style, has also provided grist for the speculatory mill. The Italians have referred to her as the “Dark Lady of Seattle” for some time now.

The hype and salacious details have made it relatively easy for the Italian prosecutor, conspiracy-theorist Giuliano Mignini, to come up with a story of a drug-fueled orgy and Satanic murder, which he hopes will serve to convict Amanda Knox.

Despite the incredible story, Mignini might just have his way.

As an American who knows well what goes on at the University of Washington, where Amanda was enrolled as an undergraduate, none of the videos, nicknames or rowdy, slutty behavior on the part of Knox surprise me in the least. Sadly, she was simply a normal college girl. American college girls drink a lot, smoke weed, and sleep with tons of different men. They live promiscuous and frequently intoxicated lives. Is there anything sensational about that to Americans? In between bouts of heavy drinking and sex with a merry-go-round of young men, they also attend feminist classes that serve to bolster an already swollen sense of entitlement to do whatever the hell they feel like at any time. Nothing shocking there…

Here in the states, that’s all well and good I suppose, but it does tend to create girls who can easily come off as little monsters to the rest of the world, and if Italian public opinion is any indication, the natives harbor a strong desire to put these little monsters in cages and poke them with sticks. That may be a sympathetic sentiment, but we ought to know better.

Although I am no expert witness, and I have only seen some of the evidence, I have a very hard time believing that one of our spoilt little beasts actually could have pulled off anything so fantastically evil and contrived as what Mignini has conjured up. Our girls may often be vicious, selfish little trolls, but above all they are indulged creatures. Their biggest fault is their overwhelming privilege and the sheer volume of support and protection they receive from both willing and unwilling American men.

Spoiled, privileged little princesses do not orchestrate elaborate murders; they cry and lie and fall apart when the going gets tough, expecting some man to step in and rescue them. This appears to be exactly what Amanda Knox did when interviewed by Italian police. She wept, made up stories, and pointed the finger at others. Anyone who has read about interrogations knows that the innocent are often quick to come up with alternate theories and blame anyone but themselves, including friends and acquaintances. Although this is a sad truth about human nature, it is what it is. The guilty are more likely to shut up and act sullen, refusing to provide anything but the barest of details. Amanda Knox was simply doing exactly what you’d expect an inexperienced American girl to do in such a situation. Would a crazed, satanic murderer, Charles Manson for example, have behaved in this manner? I doubt it.

If anything, Amanda Knox showed how pathetic American women are when they are expected to do anything on their own. If the killing was your garden variety rape/murder that I suspect it was, Guede, the convicted African transient, did his business, knifed the girl when she made a fuss, and went on his way. Here in the states, where this sort of thing is more common than in Italy, the police probably wouldn’t have initially focused on Amanda Knox as a suspect, or they would have been very circumspect about doing so, and her hysterical reaction to interrogation never would have occurred.

American women live in a bubble of our creation, and there they develop strange and unnatural characteristics, which seem sinister to the rest of the world. Never having to face reality, never having to take responsibility for their own foibles, they can easily be seen by outsiders as willfully evil, although the reality is that they are simply the products of a sort of crippling, emotional foot-binding process that makes them incapable of behaving like fully functional human beings.

I don’t believe the story about Amanda Knox murdering her roommate. I think she just couldn’t hack it when she was put under pressure, and reacted as your typical American girl would. For that, she may lose her freedom for a very long time.

Amanda transformed

Amanda transformed

Finally, the transformation of Amanda Knox from slutty, irresponsible, co-ed dimwit to poised, capable defendant in the two years she has been in prison has been nothing short of amazing. If she is truly innocent, and I believe she is, this gives me hope for American women. When taken out of the bubble of endless entitlement and protection and forced to stand on their own two feet, it appears that even American women can grow into soulful human beings. However, it truly is an indictment of our society that it takes years of prison to effect that change.

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Krauser December 4, 2009 at 05:47

“who got caught up in a murder while studying abroad”

I haven’t been following the trail in detail, but that strikes me as an odd way to phrase it. If she’s innocent then fair play, great article. Certainly everything you wrote is true as general observations.

If she’s guilty, then lets see the manginas and femininsts fall over themselves to absolve her of blame when there’s a man around to blame it all on. Were this case in a court in the Anglosphere chances are she wouldn’t serve another day in prison regardless of the verdict. Women simply don’t get punished for their crimes. Even if the Italians bang her up, the Anglosphere press will exonerate her at the cultural level (not much help to her, but plenty of help to the Grand Narrative).

I suspect what happened was: stupid white girl falls in with thug black dude for the “excitement”, gets in over her head, contributes to the murder through sheer idiotude, panics, pins responsibility on everyone but herself.

I await such outpouring of empathy for male victims of their own incompetence.

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Days of Broken Arrows December 4, 2009 at 06:10

Your first text reference to Amanda Knox refers to her as “Amanda Fox.” Freudian slip?

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 06:13

Your first text reference to Amanda Knox refers to her as “Amanda Fox.” Freudian slip?

-Days

Heh. Maybe. But more likely I was just tired and mixed up her nickname and real name.

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Laikastes December 4, 2009 at 06:26

I have not been following this case much at all, except to read a few articles here and there on various websites as they appear. So I have no idea whether she is guilty or innocent. I can’t be bothered to track down any links, but I seem to remember something about her making some remarkably unsympathetic references to the deceased, as well as bragging about how popular she has become since being imprisoned and about how much mail she receives telling her she is beautiful. Something to that effect, anyway. Those sorts of things give me pause for consideration, as they are not what you would expect an innocent person in a murder trial to do.

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Crazy eyes December 4, 2009 at 06:53

Seems like a pretty typical sociopath to me. There’s as many female sociopaths running around as there are males. Female sociopaths are considered cool, empowered and males are considered desirable alphas.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 07:26

I can’t be bothered to track down any links, but I seem to remember something about her making some remarkably unsympathetic references to the deceased, as well as bragging about how popular she has become since being imprisoned and about how much mail she receives telling her she is beautiful. Something to that effect, anyway. Those sorts of things give me pause for consideration, as they are not what you would expect an innocent person in a murder trial to do.

-Laikastes

I’ve been following the case because she’s from Seattle. I know her behavior was pretty bad, but that’s kind of my point — it’s about what one ought to expect from an American girl.

To be honest, I think she’s innocent because of some of obvious bullshit being thrown around by the prosecutor and the shabby forensic work. I haven’t seen one conclusive piece of evidence tying her to the crime, and in a bloody murder like that there’s going to be a lot more than some mixed DNA in a sink she uses every day. I’ve seen people get stabbed, and blood gets all over everything. It literally sprays. One guy I saw get stabbed ran a block before he collapsed, and there was an uninterrupted blood trail the entire way. They had to use a fire hose to wash off the street where he fell and spilled a pool of blood.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 07:30

As far as I can tell, the evidence isn’t terribly strong in the case.

There is a knife with her DNA on it that they found at her ex-BF’s house (he’s also a defendant), but it doesn’t seem like that knife was the murder weapon due to the shape of wound. There are various bits and pieces of her ex-BF’s DNA around the murder site (including on the victim’s bra, unfortunately for the defendants), footprints that could be her ex-BF’s and so on. So the direct evidence, while there, is not the strongest.

Her main problem stems from what came out of her mouth in the days following the murder. She admits to having been in the house at the time of the murder and said she heard the screams of the victim and the victim and her then BF went to her room. She then accused the victim’s BF, who was arrested and subsequently acquitted. She says that she doesn’t remember what else happened that night, but that she woke up in her BF’s bed and walked home, finding the door open. So, basically she is saying she was completely out of it during the evening of the murder, and even though she heard the screams of the victim, she didn’t do anything about that and simply slept with her BF. As for the ex-BF he says he was surfing the internet during the time in question, but that’s not what his ISP says. And both Knox and her ex-BF disconnected their cell phones at about the same time that evening, and during the time frame in which the murder likely occurred.

Again, not terrific evidence, but she did herself a good bit of harm by what she said to the police.

I think the biggest weakness in the case against her, really, other than the lackluster nature of the evidence, is that (1) they haven’t really been able to connect her and her ex-BF to Guede, the guy who has already been convicted of the murder, in any really convincing way in terms of putting them all in the same place at the same time and (2) they haven’t really come up with a convincing motive, in my view. Those are two big gaps, I think. In the U.S., I think she would be acquitted. We’ll have to see what happens in the Italian court, however, now that the jury is looking at the case.

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Days of Broken Arrows December 4, 2009 at 07:53

Novaseeker: “In the U.S., I think she would be acquitted.”

In the US, she would be the hero of “Oprah” (like Clara Harris, look it up), have a multiple book deal and probably be raking in profits on movies, lectures and “party appearances.” She would also be feted by feminist bloggers and probably even right wingers, both of women regard women as saints. Crime pays for women in the US. So long as the US remains a Christian country with white nights at the ready, it will be this way.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 08:08

In the US, she would be the hero of “Oprah” (like Clara Harris, look it up), have a multiple book deal and probably be raking in profits on movies, lectures and “party appearances.”

-Days

Hm, good point. She probably will end up on Oprah if she’s acquitted.

However, to truly be fêted as a hero in the US, she would have had to kill a man.

Her main problem stems from what came out of her mouth in the days following the murder.

-Nova

There were some serious problems with the interrogation. She said all sorts of stupid, wacky stuff to the cops, who were evidently questioning her based on assumptions they shouldn’t have been making at the time.

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 08:33

She has the perfect girl next door look. Hard to get past that. I’m practically smitten despite myself. Because of that, I don’t think the Italian system would be going after her unless they had good reason.

Honestly, my gut says she witnessed the murder and didn’t report it to protect her boyfriend. In that sense, she is guilty of collusion.

Does anyone know what the guy who got convicted is saying? Not that it would be trustworthy, I’m just wondering what his spin is.

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Firepower December 4, 2009 at 08:36

There’s two valid reasons why this story garners 1/1000th of the interest that Tiger Woods’ cock does being magically drawn to white skanks.

1. American women don’t want to attract any more attention to their vile behavior, thus transforming into the next Climategate.

2. And nobody gives a shit about a pampered American slut.

Precisely because she is a slut. Who cares about the 10 Millionth transgression.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 08:40

Guede says he had consensual sex with the victim (confirmed by his DNA) but that he didn’t murder her. His story isn’t very plausible (he says he was in the bathroom with his iPod on so he didn’t hear the murder that was taking place …). As far as I know, his testimony didn’t point the finger at Knox or her ex-BF.

I think the reason why they pressed charges was because of all of the inconsistencies in her story. It’s somewhat understandable that she was very nervous and so on during the interrogation, but it’s easy to be made to look bad with inconsistent stories. I guess her explanation is that she was stoned at the time, which typically doesn’t get much sympathy from people on juries. But really I don’t think there’s enough evidence to convict her of murder.

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Talleyrand December 4, 2009 at 08:44

“Here in the states, that’s all well and good I suppose, but it does tend to create girls who can easily come off as little monsters to the rest of the world”

No, they are little monsters, we’ve just gotten used to the evil so now it is banal.

“Anyone who has read about interrogations knows that the innocent are often quick to come up with alternate theories and blame anyone but themselves, including friends and acquaintances. Although this is a sad truth about human nature, it is what it is. The guilty are more likely to shut up and act sullen, refusing to provide anything but the barest of details.”

Where did you read this, this isn’t true.

Nova, I am not so sure she would be acquitted here, plenty of innocent men have been sent to death row. Not saying she’s innocent. What she’s got going for her is her looks.

Even Welmer doesn’t want to believe evil can have a pretty face, which is evidenced by his post. Personally, I thgink women are as capable or more so of evil than men, and they don’t have to ugly to be evil.

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Firepower December 4, 2009 at 08:50

Two cheerios and a pip-pip for the victim having an orgy, and fucking an African transient.

Murder? Shocking.

If it’s not something you’d brag about your mom doing, good riddance to the whole putrid lot of ‘em.

To all: Enjoy that bland sauce and tasteless Veal Scallopini with dreadful salad in La Italiano Deparmento Correctiones

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slwerner December 4, 2009 at 08:59

Laikastes – “I have not been following this case much at all, except to read a few articles here and there on various websites as they appear. So I have no idea whether she is guilty or innocent. I can’t be bothered to track down any links”

A quick read, and a fairly good description of the evidence can be found at:

Amanda Knox Case Turns on Sharply Disputed Forensics (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/AmandaKnox/amanda-knox-murder-trial-evidence/story?id=9113616&page=1)

It seem’s one of the problems Knox (and Sollecito) face are some significant lies they told to investigators – lies which were quite easy to disprove.

Much of the physical evidence, however, seems to be just as easily disputed.

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remorhaz December 4, 2009 at 09:02

So a stupid, addle brained tramp gets railroaded (or not) in a foreign country. Jaded as I am from seeing what women get away with in the USA I just can’t muster any tears. Maybe my ears are numb after hearing all the shrieking of feminists over the years demanding 30 years plus castration for accused “rapists” they knew to be innocent. It is the height of hypocrisy that we should stand up to defend someone who in all likelihood spent the last few years screaming for the heads of the Duke Lacross team because “women don’t lie”. And if American women have nurtured the correct perception that they are completely and thoroughly the worst women on the planet and that members of other countries must step up to slap them every now and then it is completely their own fault. I feel no sympathy, nor do they, nor have they, nor will they for any innocent man here or abroad. Let her rot.

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slwerner December 4, 2009 at 09:08

Laikastes – “I have not been following this case much at all, except to read a few articles here and there on various websites as they appear. So I have no idea whether she is guilty or innocent. I can’t be bothered to track down any links”

A quick read, and a fairly good description of the evidence can be found at:

Amanda Knox Case Turns on Sharply Disputed Forensics (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/AmandaKnox/amanda-knox-murder-trial-evidence/story?id=9113616&page=1)

It seem’s one of the problems Knox (and Sollecito) face are some significant lies they told to investigators – lies which were quite easy to disprove.

Much of the physical evidence, however, seems to be just as easily disputed.

Talleyrand – “Even Welmer doesn’t want to believe evil can have a pretty face, which is evidenced by his post. Personally, I thgink women are as capable or more so of evil than men, and they don’t have to ugly to be evil.”

This comports with what the Mary Winkler jury reported afterwards – they didn’t want to believe that a petite, mild-mannered woman could have possibly committed such a cold-blooded murder. Some of them practically admitted that they chose to ignore the most damning evidence in that case, and went, instead, with their “gut”. [older men, BTW]

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slwerner December 4, 2009 at 09:15

Oops! rather than older men, I should have stated that this came from the two older men on the jury – one of them being the foreman who was lamenting that he felt he had to acquiesce to the will of the rest of the jury and go with voluntary manslaughter if they were to be able to reach a verdict at all – the 10 women on the jury uniformly holding that Winkler could not have murdered her husband unless she had not been in her right-mind.

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slwerner December 4, 2009 at 09:22

remorhaz – “It is the height of hypocrisy that we should stand up to defend someone who in all likelihood spent the last few years screaming for the heads of the Duke Lacross team because “women don’t lie”.”

I understand yor sentiments here. Yet, justice is never served by convicting (railroading) anyone based on the supposed sins of an entire class of people. This sort of thing has become a particular issue for men WRT false rape allegations. They often find themselves presumed guilty, and put through a living hell, and their lives ruined, only to be found to have been entirely innocent in the end.

If Knox is guilty, I would hope that she doesn’t get the famed “pussy-pass” we seen far too much of here in the states. But, by the same token, if she is innocent, I would not want her to be railroaded just because young American women tend to be such loathsome skanks.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 09:54

Italy doesn’t have much of a pussy pass — it has feminism, but nothing of the variety that is present in the Anglosphere. In fact, one of the things that has damaged Knox in the Italian press is her own persona, which is seen as rather revolting by many Italians but which, as Welmer points out, is simply par for the course for college-educated 20-something urban American young women today. Of course, that’s no reason at all to convict someone of murder. Not in the least. But it has cost her dearly in the Italian press. Which in itself has fueled the prosecutors approach to this. Public opinion and attention does incentivize prosecutors.

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Matamoros December 4, 2009 at 10:29

Hilarious. Here at the big-bad We Men Declare our Independence website, they’re making excuses for a fucking murderer because she’s cute.

And, even funnier, they’re relying on US press reports–the same press they claim everywhere else is liberal and soaked with modern feminism–to declare the evidence against her as “fuzzy.”

And even funnier than that, the author dismisses the young woman as capable of committing this murder while at the same time mentioning the Manson murders. Which, er…were murders that were committed with the help of young, attractive, “normal” college-age women.

Yeah, you fight the power, men! You’re really showing them!

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Matamoros December 4, 2009 at 10:30

The beta protectiveness of this fucking murdering whore on display here is hilarious. ROISSY, have you seen this, man? You shacking up with these guys? Seriously?

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dragnet December 4, 2009 at 10:34

Matamoros FTW.

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Mr.M December 4, 2009 at 10:46

I was watching the morning news and they had Foxy Knox’s family being interviewed…

I sat back and thought:

No way in hell, if SHE were a HE, that we would even know about this shit, let alone have a family, on a national news program, telling the American public about the case.

Also love how the Tiger Woods stuff has spiraled from “possible female-to-male DV” to “Tiger Woods is a adulterer and bad man!”

Fuck MSM.

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slwerner December 4, 2009 at 10:49

Matamoros – “making excuses for a fucking murderer because she’s cute. “

For those with extremely low reading comprehension, the question at hand is whether Amanda Knox is being prosecuted more because, as a Skank-American, she’s perceived guilty by Italians; rather than because she is actually guilty.

I’m guessing that you didn’t really find any real examples of excuses being made for her here, now did you? Presumably you just wanted to throw out some condescending little barb, and needed some pretext (no matter how poor and irrelevant) to do so.

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 11:00

“Matamoros December 4, 2009 at 10:30 am

The beta protectiveness of this fucking murdering whore on display here is hilarious. ROISSY, have you seen this, man? You shacking up with these guys? Seriously?”

Allright, you got us some. I’ll let that slide. But do you really want to start a PUA vs MRA war? We’re on the same team, we’re just using different strategies. PUA adapts to the environment, MRA wants to adapt the environment to us. Yours is the effecient, easy, and I would argue, more clever route to victory. Ours is slow, difficult, and will take all the tools in our toolbox to achieve, the PUA movement just being a useful hammer. But when it comes to the moral highground, well, I can’t hardly see you from way up here. Roissy is a smarter man then you. He plays the cocksure loner who doesn’t give a shit about anything but himself, but he can’t help being intelligent enough to see the big picture, and what that means for everyone, even if he doesn’t want to get more personally involved. You worry about your dick, we’ll worrry about everything else that is important and our dicks. I’ll see you over at the Roissy blog. You can come after me there. I’m sure there are many things you can teach me. Don’t be bothered by the fact that I’ll take those ideas and use them for a higher good. We can’t all be the Bad Guys, as fun as that sounds.

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Days of Broken Arrows December 4, 2009 at 11:01

Um, I just did some reading on this case and Matamoros may have a point.

When Knox was questioned, she FALSELY ACCUSED the bar owner where the murder victim worked. He was detained for two weeks, then received a MONETARY WARD FOR FALSE IMPRISONMENT.

In other words, Knox is no different than the Duke rape skank, she just got caught — and the system worked better over there. Whether or not she is guilty of murder or being an accomplice, she is apparently guilty of making a false accusation. That means a lot. Think about it. She was ready and willing to see an innocent man jailed so she could go free.

Source, among others:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569970/Bar-owner-freed-in-Meredith-murder-inquiry.html

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Mr.M December 4, 2009 at 11:06

Agree with Matamoros, to a certain extent.

I felt the (semi) chivalrous/white-knight lean on this article. It IS a little disappointing. On the flipside, I don’t think an article that damns the bitch to high-hell for being an Ameriskank would be very constructive, either.

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Sociopathic Revelation December 4, 2009 at 11:07

“Although I am no expert witness, and I have only seen some of the evidence, I have a very hard time believing that one of our spoilt little beasts actually could have pulled off anything so fantastically evil and contrived as what Mignini has conjured up.”

That sounds naive. That’s the first thing that came to my mind.

Women can commit horrific crimes when they are impelled to do so and have the impetus. While Western women use men by proxy a lot, when the circumstances permit, quite few of done some sickening things.

You hear about Ed Gein, but rarely about Katherine Knight. She was the same thing.

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piercedhead December 4, 2009 at 11:36

Sadly, she was simply a normal college girl. American college girls drink a lot, smoke weed, and sleep with tons of different men. They live promiscuous and frequently intoxicated lives. Is there anything sensational about that to Americans? In between bouts of heavy drinking and sex with a merry-go-round of young men, they also attend feminist classes that serve to bolster an already swollen sense of entitlement to do whatever the hell they feel like at any time. Nothing shocking there…

So why is murder so unthinkable? It’s not a super-human act. All it takes is a few seconds of rage.

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Ninja Duck December 4, 2009 at 11:47

Afore anyone orders their squire to prepare their mount and armour, it’s worth noting that there are dissenting voices out there.

http://tinyurl.com/yjsjkud

(Worth reading just for a great title).

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whiskey December 4, 2009 at 11:56

My Guess is that Knox certainly knew of the murder and simply shrugged, and ignored it, at best, given that she and her boyfriend were both at the flat at the time, and killing someone is not quiet work. At worst, she had active fore-knowledge and may have egged it on (alleged motive: jealousy over her boyfriend).

Women generally do not stab, strangle or otherwise kill people with close physical encounters where victims can and do fight back. They mostly poison, shoot, set people on fire while sleeping, or drown little kids when they murder. [Women do murder but at a lesser rate than men.] Women DO often egg on murders out of jealousy, anger, revenge, money, and other base motives. They are as human as men.

I have a very hard time picturing Amanda Knox physically participating in a murder (and the evidence would clearly be on her slight frame immediately afterwards). I can certainly see her ignoring it because her hotter British room-mate got more male attention, or even planning/egging it on for the same reason. Italy is fraught with anti-Americanism, a cheap and easy prejudice that makes Europeans stupid. So there is that.

To sum up, I can’t picture Knox cutting her room-mate’s throat with a knife, too physical and risky. I can see her doing her boyfriend while it happened though, and that’s my bet for what happened.

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draper December 4, 2009 at 12:04

whiskey,

Stupid comments like the one above and the countless other ones at places like Sailer’s blog are why nobody takes you seriously and considers you to be a joke.

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Zadok the Priest December 4, 2009 at 12:14

I suspect what happened was: stupid white girl falls in with thug black dude for the “excitement”, gets in over her head, contributes to the murder through sheer idiotude, panics, pins responsibility on everyone but herself

Modern America- thuggish black men and stupid white women.

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slwerner December 4, 2009 at 12:18

draper – “Stupid comments like the one above…”

Okay, I’ll bite. Why is it a stupid comment?

Do you have some personal feud going on (I’ve been too busy to closely follow all the comment son all the threads on all the forums)?

Frankly, I thought Whiskey’s point about women tending not to engage their intended victims physically was quite accurate. Likewise, his noting that women also have ample motivations to desire to murder/have someone murdered.

And, as far as his speculation goes, it seems quite plausible.

So, what issue do you have with him/his comments?

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Mr.M December 4, 2009 at 12:27

Sigh – this article is disappointing me more and more.

What’s with all the white-knight speculation?
To sum up, I can’t picture Knox cutting her room-mate’s throat with a knife, too physical and risky.

What if she was fat and ugly? Could you picture it then? Humans, both genders, are capable of violence – trying to suggest that “I don’t think she did it because she looks nice” is more of the same shit that got us where we are today.

Pussy passes given out for free today, looks like.

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Black&German December 4, 2009 at 12:45

Yet, justice is never served by convicting (railroading) anyone based on the supposed sins of an entire class of people.

This. Justice should be blind or it’s not justice.
But bearing false witness is wrong and should be punished. But that’s not what they’re prosecuting her for, is it?

simply par for the course for college-educated 20-something urban American young women today

This. It’s hard for me to imagine women really acting that badly. You don’t see as much of that in Bavaria and I’ve rarely witnessed it myself.

Women generally do not stab, strangle or otherwise kill people with close physical encounters where victims can and do fight back.

Unless it’s a man they know loves them and won’t fight back. Then they might go after him with a golf club…

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Black&German December 4, 2009 at 12:46

For what it’s worth, my aunt did time for strangling an old man to death with her bare hands. So, it’s possible, especially if drugs are involved.

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 12:49

“What’s with all the white-knight speculation?

To sum up, I can’t picture Knox cutting her room-mate’s throat with a knife, too physical and risky.”

Good thing I grew up reading books about serial killers and profilers. Women, in general, are less likely to use overt physical violence. This is even represented in how they kill themselves. I get the whiteknight bashing. I agree that she looks guilty on some very real level, but it is not irrational or whiteknighting to speculate that she is far less likely to be the person who executed the actual physical violence compared to her two male companions. This is common sense among law enforcement. It doesn’t mean she definently didn’t do the throat slitting, just significantly less likely.

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 12:52

Lets not always irrationally blame the other team, just like the feminist do. Lets pick our battles. Lets pick the battles where victory is assured. We just don’t know if this particular fight is a good one for us. Thus the debate.

Continue with said debate, less reverse shaming tactics please.

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Mr.M December 4, 2009 at 13:06

but it is not irrational or whiteknighting to speculate that she is far less likely to be the person who executed the actual physical violence compared to her two male companions. This is common sense among law enforcement. It doesn’t mean she definently didn’t do the throat slitting, just significantly less likely.

This isn’t, or at least, shouldn’t be, about the probability of whether or not Knox murdered a person based on previous acts of her respective gender. This is about whether this one specific person actually committed the crime she is accused of.

Sure, speculate based off solid evidence and information (lol, what?). But not because – “Well, women don’t normally do this so I don’t think she did…at least the chances are low. And she’s so pretty and petite I can’t imagine her wielding a knife!”

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 13:11

It’s a tough case. It will be interesting to see what the jury does with this one, I think.

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Mr.M December 4, 2009 at 13:12

I’m actually pretty riled up today for some reason – so don’t take my commentary as a “fuck you guys” mentality.

I try to remain neutral in my thoughts about this case, so while I’m arguing that she doesn’t deserve clemency for being a woman, I’m also NOT arguing that she did, in fact, commit the murder.

I still maintain my original thought that its only because she’s a woman that we are discussing this case in the first place – and that’s MSM for you.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 13:14

Totally different coverage in the Italian media, though. That’s the difference between feminism+chivalry in the US and a general lack of chivalry and very weak feminism in Italy.

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ray December 4, 2009 at 13:26

“Although I am no expert witness, and I have only seen some of the evidence, I have a very hard time believing that one of our spoilt little beasts actually could have pulled off anything so fantastically evil and contrived as what Mignini has conjured up.”

your latent chivalry is showing, because on average females are far more pathological than males, and quite capable of engaging in all manner of nastiness, including satanic rites and blood-drinking

do you also imagine that the love of the young western female for endless vampire “stories” is trillingly innocent?

amerika has empowered the most conscience-free and unconscious element in the culture — young females — giving them essentially carte-blanche . . . which was also well-illustrated by the two female “journalists” that la-de-dahd their way around the korean dmz recently, only to be quickly arrrested by a korean society that does not genuflect to Woman, nor put up with her entitled tyrannies

this psycho gussies up in a virginal white ruffle dress, peels off her makeup, smiles for the camera, and . . . no, no, she couldnt POSSIBLY be involved with such a horrendous scheme

LOL!

she’s been a master manipulator all her life, now she’s manipulated you too, but it doesnt look like the italian cops are buying her New Virgin Mary shtick

“The guilty are more likely to shut up and act sullen, refusing to provide anything but the barest of details. Amanda Knox was simply doing exactly what you’d expect an inexperienced American girl to do in such a situation. Would a crazed, satanic murderer, Charles Manson for example, have behaved in this manner? I doubt it.”

chuckles manson is crazed and satanic, but missy mandy cant be because . . . she didnt run thru the courtroon wild-eyed? and instead wept croc tears and pointed the finger at anyone and everyone else?

puh leeze

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 13:42

“LOL!

she’s been a master manipulator all her life, now she’s manipulated you too, but it doesnt look like the italian cops are buying her New Virgin Mary shtick”

A master manipulator, like say, Charles Manson, is less likely to do the actual physical violence. That is all I am trying to say. To me she looks guilty, I just don’t think she has the emotional fortitude to actually implement the death blows, if she did, she wouldn’t have been so pathetic in her interrogations. A sociopath is a sociopath. They are always calm and collected….look, like I said, if there is one thing I know about, its fucking serial killers….she ain’t a hands on throat slasher. She either encouraged the act or witnessed the act and covered it up, but she ain’t a throat slitter. If someone really wants to go to matt with me on this, fine, but I will make you look like and idiot. She is guilty of collusion, that is second degree murder probably. She ain’t the type to repeatedly stab someone and then slit their throat, I don’t need a full profile to tell you that.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 13:45

CNN says we can expect a verdict this evening, perhaps as early as 6 Eastern.

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ray December 4, 2009 at 13:59

chuckles is not a master manipulator, he is a tool of a master manipulator — his entire m.o. and even his prison artwork illustrate this convincingly

if you were really the mat-dominant, idiot-revealing expert on serial killers that you boast, you’d have known that basic fact

this said, my comment concerned her involvement and collusion in this incident, not whether she actually stabbed someone, etc. — i will agree, she instead strikes me as someone who convinces others to do her killing for her

but that doesnt mean she didnt revel in the blood any less

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 14:01

Look at the video of her high and drunk. Sociopaths, cold blooded killers who would gang attack a girl, and then slit their throat, don’t loose that much control of themselves in a giddy like nature from the limited amount of drugs and alchohol she consumed, based on the sobriety of everyone else there. Sociopaths brains are wired differently in two profound ways. Lack of empathy and remorse, but also a low high threshold for stress and stimulation. Its hard to throw them off their game. They can beat lie detector tests. Maybe she was pounding the shots way faster than everyone else, but I don’t see it. Control if very important to sociopaths. She may have been putting on an act for the camera, but I doubt it that also, as she isn’t presenting herself in the best light possible, something a sociopath has a hard time not doing. Plus, sociopaths for whatever reason, are often very intelligent, especially in a social sense. There is no way she wouldn’t have had a rock solid story by the time of the interview. She would have been the one to give all the people there a cohecive story. Chicks who aren’t sociopaths, or who havn’t suffered some traumatic experience and had a psychotic break (which she obviously hasn’t, shes a pampered brat), are not generally, I could be wrong, throat slitters, especially with a victim already in a poor position, as apparently the girl was. I’ve got to go, and I don’t spend my free time on the web, just my work time, so I’ll be back Monday.

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 14:06

“chuckles is not a master manipulator, he is a tool of a master manipulator — his entire m.o. and even his prison artwork illustrate this convincingly”

What?! Stop right there? What? What per say is his MO then? Are you a conspiracy theorist? You’re going to sit there and tell me that Charles Manson, the fame whore, who convinced several pretty, middle class girls to commit helter skelter due to messages he recieved from listening to the White album of the beatles, was just a pawn of some larger plan. Oh do tell. Who was the cult leaders leader. We all know cult leaders love to share the power. I am rapt with attention. Please fill me in on the profile of one of, if not the most, studied serial killers to exist. Fill me in on the gaps that I’ve overlooked. By all means, what is your analysis?

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Jabherwochie December 4, 2009 at 14:13

And Ray, I wasn’t going after your comment, I was just using it as a jumping off point to reiterate my previous points. I agreed with you comment. Don’t be so trigger happy.

Do you follow my posts around here much. I don’t go around arguing in some reckless manner. I concede when I should. I don’t make statements about knowing about something in a pretty solid way if I can’t back that up. But by all means, lets debate serial killers. I’m sure it will be insightful for everyone else hear.

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C.V. Compton Shaw December 4, 2009 at 14:16

Thank you for the interesting, well written, and informative original article.
I won’t comment on the current legal proceedings against Ms. Knox. I have no opinion with regard to the same.
When I was a young man, I thought that all women were like American women. I didn’t like them. However, upon traveling to Europe, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Egypt, and Turkey, amongst other nations, I discovered that foreign women were much different, in general, than American women. They tended to like me very much and I tended to like them very much. They seemed to like those characteristics in men which American women detested. I, also, found that foreign women found me much more sexually attractive than American women.
It is my belief that women, at least American women, have little tolerance for any male who has any self respect or character. They will, collectively and individually, denigrate, discriminate against, and oppress the same. They seem to only tolerate men who are base and weak.
What strategy should an American male take given the aforementioned?
He should avoid any and all personal, business, social, and/or cultural contact with American women. This strategy has advantagoua offensive and defensive characteristics. First, a male avoids being surrounded and destroyed by these women, a defensive strategy. Secondly, there are individuals and groups who are extremely hostile towards American women. If they determine that men of character, the type of man that American women despise, are not there to defend them, they will attack these women in a variety of manners, a good offensive strategy.
In fact, I read a post on the Internet by an American woman who had married an Eastern European man and was living with him in Eastern Europe. She stated that Eastern European men have a very negative opinion of American women and will avoid, as much as possible, any kind of contact with them.
It works!

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Th Caliph December 4, 2009 at 14:19

Ironic

Welmer white knighting to the defence of a crazed american girl, who knew.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe her sense of entitlement was what made her complicit or even put the other 2 guys to it.

But, here you are because she’s from seattle, going oh no, our american girls can be crazy but nooo way they are not sociopaths like that , no not our entitlement princesses, murder? no wayyy!!!

From what i know about the case it was group sex gone wrong, in that the UK room mate didnt wanna take part in their orgy.

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E. Steven Berkimer December 4, 2009 at 14:25

Well,

all this debate will end in about 1/2 an hour. 6 p.m. eastern is the time set for the jury verdict to be announced.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34271238/ns/world_news-europe/

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Talleyrand December 4, 2009 at 15:11

Guilty

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Steezer December 4, 2009 at 15:11

This just in: Amanda Knox found guilty, sentenced to 26 years

http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23amandaknox

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 16:01

“Anyone who has read about interrogations knows that the innocent are often quick to come up with alternate theories and blame anyone but themselves, including friends and acquaintances. Although this is a sad truth about human nature, it is what it is. The guilty are more likely to shut up and act sullen, refusing to provide anything but the barest of details.”

Where did you read this, this isn’t true.

-Talleyrand

Police interrogation handbook, published in 1983.

But, here you are because she’s from seattle, going oh no, our american girls can be crazy but nooo way they are not sociopaths like that , no not our entitlement princesses, murder? no wayyy!!!

-The Caliph

You got me, Caliph. The one, important, reason I am somewhat biased is that the girl is from my hometown, and culturally pretty much the same as me — as a middle-class, Catholic Seattlite she reminds me of my cousins. But it doesn’t have anything to do with her sex.

Now that she’s been found guilty, we’ll see whether this causes any self-reflection on the part of American females. I wouldn’t bet on it, but they’ve got to take some responsibility for her conviction; raising American girls to behave like Amanda is guaranteed to cause some serious image problems abroad.

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Mr.M December 4, 2009 at 16:08

Now that she’s been found guilty, we’ll see whether this causes any self-reflection on the part of American females.

Not one person I’ve talked to today about Amanda Knox had any clue who she is. I’m guessing American females will continue on as expected.

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whiskey December 4, 2009 at 16:11

To sum up Draper’s beefs with me at Steve Sailer’s and my own blog:

*I don’t find Jews nor Israel the root of all evil, nor Muslim’s main beef with the West (see Russia, train bombing).
*I don’t find Sailer’s isolationism anything but fairly pathetic in an attempt to wish away reality.
*I DO find nuclear weapons in fragile, factional Muslim states an existential threat to US cities.
* I DO find the behavior of women today to be radically different than those of women forty years ago, particularly with sexual mores, partners, and criteria for partners.

As you might imagine, I don’t care about folks like Draper, who are both objectively wrong in every case and practicing active denial of reality to maintain their fantasy world (which is roughly, “the Jews ruined everything, everywhere, everytime.”)

I stand by my statement. I find it unlikely that Knox, not being used to or able to physically intimidate or attack someone, cut her room-mate’s throat. I do find it highly likely that she at least knew of the attack and did nothing, out of jealousy, and at worst had an active hand in it (this would not be the first time either). There was a case in Orange County where a girl egged on a current boyfriend to murder a former one, and one in the Inland Empire where a girl egged on her current boyfriend to murder his past girlfriend. Both stuck with me, the devastation of the parents, how they kept the kids rooms as they were, and the murdered girl’s cat still sleeping on her bed, hoping she would come home.

I don’t find women uniquely evil or good, simply different in their flawed assumptions of how the world works.

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MarkyMark December 4, 2009 at 16:15

Guys,

I heard on the news that Miss Knox got 26 years-ouch! The pussy pass is NOT alive & well in Italy…

MarkyMark

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 16:20

raising American girls to behave like Amanda is guaranteed to cause some serious image problems abroad.

I agree, but I expect that they would turn that around and blame the vitriol she received in the Italian press as being the result of a recalcitrant and partriarchal Italian culture — one that should be more feminist/chivalrous and understand that women are precious snowflakes who never do anything evil, and that all evil in the world has always been, and continues to be, perpetrated exclusively by men.

One fact I am puzzled by: why did she get 26 years and the ex-BF get only 25?

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MarkyMark December 4, 2009 at 16:20

Guys,

Here’s a link to the CNN story about the case.

MarkyMark

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 16:24

I agree, but I expect that they would turn that around and blame the vitriol she received in the Italian press as being the result of a recalcitrant and partriarchal Italian culture — one that should be more feminist/chivalrous and understand that women are precious snowflakes who never do anything evil, and that all evil in the world has always been, and continues to be, perpetrated exclusively by men.

-Nova

I’m sure. However, in an age of waning American power and influence that will only get you so far. If American women continue along the current trajectory, I think we’re going to see more and more of them get legal spankings in foreign countries.

One fact I am puzzled by: why did she get 26 years and the ex-BF get only 25?

She was portrayed as a domineering American seductress who had him in her grip. Ironic, isn’t it, how different things are outside the Anglosphere?

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 16:38

The difference between there and any Anglo country is dramatic and striking, really, I agree.

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ray December 4, 2009 at 17:02

Welmer:

“Now that she’s been found guilty, we’ll see whether this causes any self-reflection on the part of American females. I wouldn’t bet on it”

and you wouldnt bet right! lol but not too loud

amerika would have found — invented, if necessary — a way to get amanda off, she’s of the ruling class after all

it would have been blamed exclusively on a male/males

italy isnt yet as far gone, but absent major changes, they soon will be, under goddess e.u. (rhymes with p.u.)

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 17:09

italy isnt yet as far gone, but absent major changes, they soon will be, under goddess e.u. (rhymes with p.u.)

-Ray

I actually think the tide is turning. I’ve noticed that plenty of American men – even those commenting on mainstream newspapers – are perfectly happy to see Amanda go to hell. American men are going to stop lifting their fingers for American women, especially where they aren’t forced to do so.

We’re going to see global revulsion for Anglosphere and Northern European women becoming more and more apparent. As our women get a taste of the responsibilities of power, they’re soon going to find themselves wishing they were back in Kansas.

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ray December 4, 2009 at 17:11

Caliph:

“Did it ever occur to you that maybe her sense of entitlement was what made her complicit or even put the other 2 guys to it.”

precisely

she figured, like the girls that wandered around the korean dmz, hey I’m An Amerikan Princess, I’m Buffed the Vampire Slayer, I Can Do Whatever I Please Anywhere I Please

this nation abets, funds, and builds psychos like knox, then unleashes them on a (largely unprotected) amerikan male populace

those of us not wealthy (ahem tiger) or politically connected then have to deal with the toxic waste of 80 overentitled, spoiled, massively empowered girls who’ve been supported in their gender supremacisms

italy . . . not so much

yet

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ray December 4, 2009 at 17:16

oops correction, 80 should be 80 million

too pissed to type! :O)

Welmer:

“I actually think the tide is turning…. We’re going to see global revulsion for Anglosphere and Northern European women becoming more and more apparent.”

from your fingers to the planet’s ears, may it be so

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 17:18

she figured, like the girls that wandered around the korean dmz, hey I’m An Amerikan Princess, I’m Buffed the Vampire Slayer, I Can Do Whatever I Please Anywhere I Please

-ray

Oh yeah, those girls. I wrote a piece on them for my personal blog some time ago.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada December 4, 2009 at 17:20

C.V. Compton Shaw December 4, 2009 at 2:16 pm

What strategy should an American male take given the aforementioned?
He should avoid any and all personal, business, social, and/or cultural contact with American women.
…She stated that Eastern European men have a very negative opinion of American women and will avoid, as much as possible, any kind of contact with them.
It works!

***
Agreed 100%.
I’ve mentioned this on various occasions: since expatriating here to South America (1/2 time since 2006 ) full time since 2008, I have not seen, spoken to, nor interacted with a single 1st World Female.

And my life is all the more enriched and enjoyable because of it.

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Steezer December 4, 2009 at 17:23

Welmer: “a piece on them for my personal blog” — link broken

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 17:27

Fixed.

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codebuster December 4, 2009 at 17:38

I have two things to add:

1) Don’t let other cultures tell Americans how bad Americans are. There are worse. And it is often the worst that are the quickest to criticize others. The old log-in-the-eye parable applies as much to cultures as it does to people.

2) It doesn’t make sense to me to talk about the issues that exist with one sex, while ignoring the other. Nothing ever occurs in a vacuum. If the women of a culture are spoilt brats, then there is every reason to infer that men made them that way. And it is circular, it cuts both ways… when men give in to spoilt brats, they become less than what they should be.

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Days of Broken Arrows December 4, 2009 at 17:50

It’s telling how this is being covered by the press.

The BBC article mentions the false accusation and the fact that her DNA was found on the knife handle and the victim’s was found on the blade: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8390909.stm

Yet here in the US, no evidence is mentioned in this sopa opera story on her family which mentions Senator Maria Cantwell (who devised the anti-male IMBRA — look it up) is seeking to get Knox retried because she wonders “whether anti-Americanism tainted this trial.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010428614_apwastudentslainknoxfamily2ndldwritethru.html

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 17:53

Yet here in the US, no evidence is mentioned in this sopa opera story on her family which mentions Senator Maria Cantwell (who devised the anti-male IMBRA — look it up) is seeking to get Knox retried because she wonders “whether anti-Americanism tainted this trial.”

-Days

The local press in Seattle has gone over the evidence pretty well. As for the “anti-Americanism,” I’d ask Cantwell, “gee, ya think?”

The real point of my post is that you reap what you sow, and we’ve sown some pretty bad seeds here.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 17:58

Wow! I stumbled upon this site while looking for Knox’s rape story from Myspace. I wish I knew where you all were from, most of you have it completely wrong about how the Europeans judge different behaviors. They think we are all prudes and sexually fucked up because of it. Fat & obnoxious, yes, entitled, yes. And I hate it when I see it but it’s based on reality. I want to crawl under a table when I see a group of loud rude American women come into a cafe. I’m shocked that you’re all using the terms white knight & chivalry & in the same launch also calling American women whores for sleeping around while they’re young & single. Why shouldn’t they? So they can be miserable & inexperienced & married unhappily at the age of 40?
This American male Madonna/Whore complex is one of the reasons I moved to Europe. Why such hatred toward us? I also don’t know who is a man or woman here, but I feel pity for the writer of the original post if that is how they view American women, it sounded so angry to me. If American women are sheltered, then so are the men, rest assured.
That aside, to throw in my 2cents, I can believe that Amanda was involved in the murder. She was already breaking laws in a foreign country, doing drugs. People will accept their own doing petty crimes but as a visitor you are expected to behave politely. You are a guest, act as one is the general feeling I get in Europe. I am always made to feel welcome & I do my best to recall my Southern manners. I am also a petite pretty blonde and I was once caught off guard when I was almost refused entry to a country, yes, I felt like, “but I’ve never been thrown out of anything much less a country.” Once was enough, my sense of entitlement was gone with the wind. It was a wake up call. I hope my post here isn’t received with hostility, it wasn’t meant to be. I enjoyed reading here but was honestly surprised at the contradictions vs. personal experience.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 17:58

If the women of a culture are spoilt brats, then there is every reason to infer that men made them that way. And it is circular, it cuts both ways… when men give in to spoilt brats, they become less than what they should be.

This blames men both for women and men. Typical.

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piercedhead December 4, 2009 at 18:00

In terms of probability alone, a women being railroaded for a murder when there are two perfectly useful men to pin it on has got to be far more remote than the chances of a woman sticking someone with a knife.

Doesn’t amount to a valid reason for believing Amanda Knox guilty, but that’s where probability arguments go (exactly where you want them to).

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 18:01

I enjoyed reading here but was honestly surprised at the contradictions vs. personal experience.

Men and women experience things rather differently, both in Europe and in the US.

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codebuster December 4, 2009 at 18:08

This blames men both for women and men. Typical.

Not quite. Spoilt brats as feminist women try to destroy men’s spirit. But this can only happen if men let them.

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finsalscollons December 4, 2009 at 18:19

“raising American girls to behave like Amanda is guaranteed to cause some serious image problems abroad.”

This is a self-correcting problem. I am European. Twenty years from now our women will be as obnoxious as American women today. We are only twenty years behind and we only copy your crap.

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DT December 4, 2009 at 18:25

Guilty or not, she is the classic example of why you never…ever…for ANY reason…talk to cops. Watch this video by a lawyer, then watch part 2 by a police officer. It might save your butt one day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

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piercedhead December 4, 2009 at 18:26

I hope my post here isn’t received with hostility, it wasn’t meant to be. I enjoyed reading here but was honestly surprised at the contradictions vs. personal experience.

Were not all sharing the same brain – we come from all over the world.

Can’t speak for anyone else, but there’s nothing in what you’ve said that I would consider hostile – but I expect the original writer would not be flattered by this:
“I feel pity for the writer of the original post if that is how they view American women, it sounded so angry to me.”
No-one likes to be pitied, and I’m sure you’re aware of that. Attributing it to anger may or may not be correct, but if it is, that alone isn’t needful of pity nor is it wrong. However, you may be offended by the unflattering view of women expressed here, so defensiveness is understandable.

I’m glad you enjoyed reading here. Your surprise at the contradictions to your personal experience is an experience we both share. I get it whenever I watch or read the main-stream media.

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The Contrarian Expatriate December 4, 2009 at 18:27

Knox is the typical American female spoiled brat who now faces a life sentence for her role in the murder of her British roommate Meredith Kercher.

Knox sealed her own fate when she concocted several different versions of the what happened the night of Kercher’s murder. Most disturbingly, Knox tried to implicate a local African business owner, Patrick Lumumba, of the crime but he was released after law enforcement officials cleared him and Knox’s story changed.

This case is controversial because Knox is a relatively attractive, affluent, and white American female who is presumed to be innocent of such crimes by other Americans. European tend to be more realistic in their approach to judging women, and they tend to let the facts be their guide.

It is a forgone conclusion that Knox will rot in prison for a long time. This case gives Men’s Rights Advocates like me a sense of justice when American females get their due for heinous crimes that they may have gotten away with in the USA.

It also serves as notice to other American women that they cannot participate in crimes, implicate innocent people, change their stories and expect to be let off the hook like in the United States.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 18:30

Not quite. Spoilt brats as feminist women try to destroy men’s spirit. But this can only happen if men let them.

This is exactly the socon perspective. Men are to blame for what they do themselves and are also to blame for what women do, for having failed to lead properly. Same deal. Misandry full stop. Do YOU feel in control of what women are doing, codebuster? Do you?

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DT December 4, 2009 at 18:31

BTW, I’m no white knight, but I have to lean towards the defense in any case where a prosecutor makes appeals to ‘satanic orgies and rituals.’ Give me a break. If THAT’S your case, then I’m pretty sure I know who is innocent and who is insane.

And this is coming from a Christian who believes in angels, demons, and the (extremely remote and most likely not true when you hear about it) possibility of demon possession.

But then I’m not on the jury, and she was just found guilty according to my news site.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 18:36

European tend to be more realistic in their approach to judging women, and they tend to let the facts be their guide.

It is a forgone conclusion that Knox will rot in prison for a long time.

This was a close case, imo. The evidence was there, but it wasn’t that strong, really, given the lack of a credible motive. I think she could just as easily been acquitted. I do agree, though, that her conflicting stories are probably what did her in ultimately. That shoots your credibility to hell, really, and makes you look like you are covering something up, even if you are just nervous. After all, you’re also nervous when your freedom is at stake during a criminal trial, so if you’re unreliably truthful when nervous and under stress, why should the jury believe your testimony in court? It’s a very bad thing, really, as a defendant. I agree with the comment that it’s best to say nothing to cops, most of the time. Every single thing you say can and will be used against you.

As for the foregone conclusion, she has an appeal, and it’s not abnormal in Italy, as far as the news reports say, for the sentence to be reduced on appeal.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 18:39

And this is coming from a Christian who believes in angels, demons, and the (extremely remote and most likely not true when you hear about it) possibility of demon possession.

Again, Italy is not the US. I’m sure everyone noticed the full and large crucifix behind the jury? It ain’t Kansas, folks. That kind of rhetoric is perfectly allowed there, and may not be unpersuasive. There are differences between Western countries, still.

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codebuster December 4, 2009 at 18:47

Do YOU feel in control of what women are doing, codebuster? Do you?

I feel no compulsion whatsoever to form allegiances with men just because they are men. I had the guts to take on feminism in the workplace, and the ones that tried their hardest to get rid of me were men. Most men cower in the face of feminism, and I suspect that if they had the courage to take on feminist politics, a whole different perspective might emerge. This is the difference between practical and theory. When you apply theory to practice, your world view changes.

Do I feel in control of what women are doing? Yes I do. My career has been harmed through my actions, but that’s politics, it was men doing it, and it’s the risk I took. That was my choice.

There are a lot of Joe Bidens in this world, and they are not confined to politics.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 18:49

Of course, they are the “Men in Power”. But the MIPs are a small slice of men. Most men are not empowered in that way, as you learned. Feminism is a coalition between the empowered men and most (not all) women. We have more female enemies than we do male enemies, but we also have male enemies, too.

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codebuster December 4, 2009 at 18:58

I mentioned once before that I am most likely to find the types of men that I would be proud to have as friends among the MRM, men who stand up for what they believe. But I believe that in focusing on feminism as a women’s movement, the enemy is misidentified. Most women are just spectators, and while their complicity harms men in real and significant ways, the people to target are the MIPs and the chivalrous fools who don’t “get it” how little is the respect that women have for them.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 19:06

I agree that the MIPs need to be targeted as well as the chivalrous. But I do think that at least the ring-leader women need to be targeted, too. They are not without power, especially among women, even when they are contradicting MIPs.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 19:07

Does anyone know if there was any psychological profiling on Amanda after her arrest? It’s always those goodie goodie looking girls ya gotta watch out for! Great site, I snooped around, good balance of stupidity & genius.
I meant pity in the way that, as an American woman who adores men and I believe knows them very well, I am sorry to hear any man (or woman ) having had such poor experiences as to feel that way about us.

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tspoon December 4, 2009 at 19:07
codebuster December 4, 2009 at 19:12

But I do think that at least the ring-leader women need to be targeted, too.

I think feminism, as a political movement comprised of men and women, should be the principle target – and that includes the men and women comprising it. It is an idiotic movement, there is a lot to make fun of and satirize. It should be a much easier target than what many people are making it out to be.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 19:17

The key, codebuster, lies in picking targets. Most women associate the word “feminism” with being able to vote, own property, be educated, work however they wish and so on. That should be unobjectionable to most men, and is, in fact. A smaller group is focused on sexual liberation, like Germaine Greer preached — but that is a smaller group, and one that many women do not identify with. We can make hay there. Another place we can make hay is in the rest of the stuff — combat dating, men dropping out of the whole thing, biased harassment, DV and family laws and so on. So we need to pick our targets and make sure that what we approach is the more objectionable feminism and not the stuff that most men have no issue with.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 19:19

Great site, I snooped around, good balance of stupidity & genius.

Good. Welcome.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 19:19

Does anyone know if there was any psychological profiling on Amanda after her arrest? It’s always those goodie goodie looking girls ya gotta watch out for!

-Ameriskank

I’m sure there was. Every expert’s gotta get their hours in where these cases are involved.

Great site, I snooped around, good balance of stupidity & genius.

You have stumbled upon the essence of masculinity.

I meant pity in the way that, as an American woman who adores men and I believe knows them very well, I am sorry to hear any man (or woman ) having had such poor experiences as to feel that way about us.

If you are sorry, that’s all well and good, but I certainly hope you aren’t surprised. American women are the most indulged, and consequently the most poorly behaved, humans on this planet.

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codebuster December 4, 2009 at 19:28

So we need to pick our targets and make sure that what we approach is the more objectionable feminism and not the stuff that most men have no issue with.

Disagree with this one. I have issues with every aspect of feminism. There is NO aspect of feminism that has any place in the civilized world. Feminism is based on the false premise that there is only patriarchy in control. This is not true. There is also a matriarchy that shares control. For example, women raise the children, and that gives them the basis for setting the fundamental cultural values. Feminism disempowers women because feminists deny that women hold any power.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 19:36

What is so wrong with women being sexually liberated, based on your definition of liberation?
No, not surprised, American men are almost as indulged except in the last few decades you all have lost the indulgence of the women in your lives. Pussy power. You can’t blame that part on us, it’s simply using our most valuable resource when it comes to reasoning with a man. Any woman who thinks her mind will be more effective with a man can refer to this site, this is what using our minds created, LOL.
My grandparents all remained married til death & my grandmothers always had dinner ready and a nice dress, heels & some lipstick on at 5pm. That is just old fashioned pussy power.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 19:55

What is so wrong with women being sexually liberated, based on your definition of liberation?

Nothing per se, but it has tended in practice to sexually disadvantage many men, which in turn has led to dysfunction. When we liberate sexually, we do not make it equal, because men and women have different access to sex, when all is free. So it plays out very differently for men and women.

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The Fifth Horseman December 4, 2009 at 19:55

nova/codebuster,

If, in theory, we could just do away with :

1a) No-fault financial awards from the husband even if HE didn’t want divorce.
1b) Default custody given to the woman, when in fact the spouse who is choosing to leave should have to lose custody barring proof of serious unsuitability of the other spouse.
2) VAWA
3) Bradley Amendment
4) False Rape apparatus

Then everything would fall into place. Everyday misandry in the media wouldn’t have much effect on anything without the power of the state enabling women to act on it. Affirmative action in the private sector is self-cleansing.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 20:07

I think that Amanda having been portrayed as domineering and even of controlling her boyfriend had more to do with public outcry than her promiscuity. All the kids here have sex and it’s not looked down upon but the women here have maintained their power more thru femininity (catch more flies with honey than vinegar) than feminism. The masculine American woman is judged harshly in France, and laughed at. That was issue with the original post. It was very American to even think that her being a “whore, slut, etc” would put her in a negative light in Europe. Here, a man will marry a woman he slept with the night they met, in the US a woman has to pretend she doesn’t even like sex just so the guy will think she’s good enough to meet Mom.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 20:07

American men are almost as indulged except in the last few decades you all have lost the indulgence of the women in your lives.

-Ameriskank

The last few decades encompass my entire life. Please, tell me again how I’ve been indulged.

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codebuster December 4, 2009 at 20:11

Then everything would fall into place. Everyday misandry in the media wouldn’t have much effect on anything without the power of the state enabling women to act on it.

But you’re then establishing a culture based on lies. One lie to counter another to counter another, and on it goes. It’s a house of cards.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 20:22

The same as all Americans are indulged, easy access to everything (except education and healthcare, oddly). When you call a cab at 3am, it’ll come. In France when I call a cab at 3am, they yell at me to get off my (American!) ass & walk to the St Michel taxi stand, I am 5’5 and 110lbs, btw.
Americans in general are spoiled, you cannot say it’s only women. And you boys are not so well behaved, either. Their is almost zero violence against women, in this city, at least. It seems to me that all this sexual liberation in the US is leading to men having MUCH more access to sex, I know of many 15 year old boys getting blow jobs and anal on a regular basis these days. Thanks internet porn :)

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The Fifth Horseman December 4, 2009 at 20:27

Instapundit also linked to a blog that linked to Roissy’s ‘Rape vs. Cuckoldry’ poll.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/89499/

My pings to Instapundit are finally having an effect – two in the same day.

It is unlikely he will link directly to The Spearhead, and certainly not to Roissy’s, but linking through two degrees of separation is still helpful in bringing awareness.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 20:28

No, most men have no access to sex. A small number of men do. Therein lies the tension in American society.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 20:34

Americans in general are spoiled, you cannot say it’s only women.

-Ameriskank

Yeah, sure. We have the highest rate of male incarceration in the world, women outnumber men in college 3 to 2, male unemployment is almost 3% higher than female, violent crime against husbands by wives is cheered on, etc.

And you boys are not so well behaved, either. Their is almost zero violence against women, in this city, at least. It seems to me that all this sexual liberation in the US is leading to men having MUCH more access to sex, I know of many 15 year old boys getting blow jobs and anal on a regular basis these days. Thanks internet porn

Cheap sex is less of a consolation than you might think. The guys I have known who had the most access to that were Africans from Liberia, and their lives were otherwise total crap. They thought so little of their lives that they were willing to risk going to prison in China for a couple thousand dollars, and go to prison they did. Their careers started as child soldiers for rebels, and they are probably dead today. Fat lot of good all the cheap pussy did for them.

You have a typical female attitude. To you, a man should be eternally grateful if only a woman spreads her legs for him a few times.

Sorry, but I expect more from women. Opening their legs is easy stuff, and they enjoy the sex as much as men do. Very convenient setup there if that’s all that’s expected of them.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 20:38

But didn’t that start because of the male Madonna/Whore complex? I said 15 year old boys insinuating that liberation is changing that for future generations.
Not if the Christians and their abstinence vows have anything to do with it though. Aren’t American women most likely to be murdered by a man they’ve slept with?
The virgin always lives in horror films. It’s confusing for American women.
Which is why I really want to know how Amanda Knox was psychologically/sexually profiled. Has the battle of the sexes began to screw up American women just as much as to make murderers out of us?

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 20:48

Cheap sex is less of a consolation than you might think. The guys I have known who had the most access to that were Africans from Liberia, and their lives were otherwise total crap. They thought so little of their lives that they were willing to risk going to prison in China for a couple thousand dollars, and go to prison they did. Their careers started as child soldiers for rebels, and they are probably dead today. Fat lot of good all the cheap pussy did for them.

You have a typical female attitude. To you, a man should be eternally grateful if only a woman spreads her legs for him a few times.

Are you comparing your life as an American man to that of an African child soldier, because that would be one serious pity party for one?!
If you think that is my attitude, you are far from the truth. What on Earth did I ever say about gratitude, anyway? You must admit, men are constantly (even in this thread) complaining about lack of sex, it is right up there at the top of the list in reasons for divorce/infidelity. Men also crave intimacy but you don’t seem to know how to go about getting it at home.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 21:04

Are you comparing your life as an American man to that of an African child soldier, because that would be one serious pity party for one?!

-Ameriskank

Why yes, I am. One of my best friends overseas was a former African child soldier for Charles Taylor. We spent many a fun night hanging out together, so I had plenty of opportunities to compare my life to his. His life was filled with sex, adventure, and a fair amount of risk. Mine too, but not to the same degree (I wanted to stay out of jail).

If you think that is my attitude, you are far from the truth. What on Earth did I ever say about gratitude, anyway? You must admit, men are constantly (even in this thread) complaining about lack of sex, it is right up there at the top of the list in reasons for divorce/infidelity. Men also crave intimacy but you don’t seem to know how to go about getting it at home.

You implied that men are spoiled because they get laid. That is an attitude I simply cannot accept. A woman who only offers sex is a one trick pony, and becomes tiresome in short order. Out of all the minutes in a day, how many of them are spent having sex? What does the woman do the rest of the time, whine and complain? Might as well build her a hut in the backyard and only go visit her when the feeling arises.

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 21:14

I did not imply but stated that Americans, all of us, are spoiled. Having nothing to with sex but with access to conveniences and freedoms that the majority of the world can’t even imagine.
And what woman only offers sex? A streetwalker? Most of us have pretty busy lives, families, jobs, friends, hobbies.
A commute might take ten times longer than the amount of time spent having sex but I would think 99% of the population would agree the time spent on intimacy is much more important to mental health & happiness.
Maybe you are one of those men who would prefer to only visit a woman when the feeling arises….Where I come from, we call those men golfers.

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Novaseeker December 4, 2009 at 21:29

Thats because as a woman intimacy is easy for you. I think men and women differ dramatically in life experiences around these issues.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 21:30

I did not imply but stated that Americans, all of us, are spoiled. Having nothing to with sex but with access to conveniences and freedoms that the majority of the world can’t even imagine.

-Ameriskank

Freedoms my ass. I can’t drive a mile without being peered at by a cop here. You can’t even express your opinions at work in America. If you’re a man, you can;t even express your opinions at home! Haven’t you seen all those sitcoms that coach guys on how we’re supposed to kiss the woman’s ass because she’s “always right” (even when she’s dumb as a brick)?

And what woman only offers sex? A streetwalker? Most of us have pretty busy lives, families, jobs, friends, hobbies.

Right. You offer your labor to your boss, your affection to the children, your gossip and social attention to friends, your interest to your hobbies, and, occasionally, sex to your husband. My question is, what besides sex would you have to offer your man when everything else goes elsewhere?

A commute might take ten times longer than the amount of time spent having sex but I would think 99% of the population would agree the time spent on intimacy is much more important to mental health & happiness.

Depends on your definition of intimacy.

Maybe you are one of those men who would prefer to only visit a woman when the feeling arises….Where I come from, we call those men golfers.

I call them good at time management. If you want “quality time” to share your intimacies with a man who will lend a sympathetic ear, that’s when you pay your gay hairdresser to listen to you.
;)

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ray December 4, 2009 at 21:43

“No, not surprised, American men are almost as indulged except in the last few decades you all have lost the indulgence of the women in your lives.”

indulged? cowshit

there is a whole hidden world right in your own country, but it aint the bluebirdy Secret Garden of fantasy

its a secret garden of suffering, homelessness, discrimination, violence, poverty, and death of which very few modern amerikan females are aware

mostly because you dont want to be aware, because you are well-satisfied — if not outright gloating a la maria shriver — with your first class citizenship/supremacy vis a vis males

the treatment of boys in this country, especially those of mid to low SES, is absolutely fucking abysmal and inexcusable considering the great resources of the nation

drugging them, beating them, smothering them in cribs, ridiculing their boyhoods in the medea, taking away their fathers for financial/power benefit

the amerikan male has been stomped and demeaned without cease, and if you think he’s indulged you need to spend a couple months living in a car

open your eyes maybe your heart will follow

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AmeriskankinParis December 4, 2009 at 22:17

Ray, I have spent some time living in Europe and that is what my spoiled reference was comparing to. The topic was about an American in Italy originally.
I am from New Orleans, I am familiar with everything you spoke of. I now live in Europe where I work as a well paid escort, and until you take it in the ass for rent money, let’s not have that “a la Maria Shriver” conversation. My work makes me well informed of the plights of modern men, which is why I find this site quite interesting. I hear the things men don’t tell anyone else and I still love them. Good and bad and dirty foreskins and all :)
Now Welmer, you’re just angry and you have to get out of it. Knowledge is power. I read thru your blogs and saw where you called Oscar Wilde a gay champion of men. He was sent to prison for 2 years for being gay by those men he championed, fyi, Google the Oscar Wilde trials please. They forever changed the tolerance of gays …

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Eman December 4, 2009 at 22:56

It is increasingly clear that the widespread ‘educating’ and ‘liberating’ of women has been one of the worst mistakes in Western history. It must be undone.

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Welmer December 4, 2009 at 23:06

Now Welmer, you’re just angry and you have to get out of it. Knowledge is power. I read thru your blogs and saw where you called Oscar Wilde a gay champion of men. He was sent to prison for 2 years for being gay by those men he championed, fyi, Google the Oscar Wilde trials please. They forever changed the tolerance of gays …

-Ameriskank

Ah, you’re a hooker. Hey, at least you’re not a hypocrite.

I had a crush on a hooker once when I was very young. The odd thing is that I had plenty of girlfriends at the time, but I was this fawning, bashful kid around a woman who probably slept with a different man every day. Well, she was something spectacular to behold. Bah, just goes to show how misguided our infatuations are.

Of course I know that Oscar Wilde got the shaft (in a manner of speaking, of course). I don’t think that excuses generations of gay men for totally betraying their straight brothers. In fact, I’m convinced that the same Victorian morality that brought down Oscar Wilde is what we men are suffering from today.

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Eman December 4, 2009 at 23:08

Whiskey:“the Jews ruined everything, everywhere, everytime.”

Yeah, the ‘Jewish Single Cause Theory’ is obviously false.

However, Jews have indeed been disproportionately involved in Western ‘feminism’ – see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists

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ray December 4, 2009 at 23:44

“Ray, I have spent some time living in Europe and that is what my spoiled reference was comparing to. The topic was about an American in Italy originally”

ok well, maybe i missed your full reference

and maybe european men are “spoiled” i wouldnt know, not having lived there

i know what the e.u. is tho — another word for goddess

“I am from New Orleans, I am familiar with everything you spoke of.”

is that right?

as an amerikan woman, youve been discriminated against at work, in schools, in access to services etc based on your gender?

youve been homeless? lived in cars? what else…. a drugged and beaten boy?

:O)

i think, like most females, in reality you know very very little about the condition and experiences of males in amerika

“I now live in Europe where I work as a well paid escort, and until you take it in the ass for rent money, let’s not have that “a la Maria Shriver” conversation.”

we already did

next time you want to make rules let me know ahead so i can plan to ignore them

youre an amerikan female, the most benefitted, entitled, protected, empowered being ever to scorch the earth, and youre trolling my sympathy based on taking money for sex? is this a seventeenth century england timewarp?

sold into white slavery is it? mean mr pimp hovering nearby w/bazooka?

all of u.s. education and employment grovels at your every whim, degrees and jobs are yours for the taking, but youre complaining about being fucked in the ass to buy whatever crap youre buying?

ameriskank, i got people in REAL trouble over here, get it?

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Sociopathic Revelation December 4, 2009 at 23:48

“American men are almost as indulged . . .”

Your credibility is on thin ice when you make claims like that.

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Angry Harry December 4, 2009 at 23:59

@Codebuster

Novaseeker said “Feminism is a coalition between the empowered men and most (not all) women. ”

And I have to agree with this, because men tend to do what WOMEN (not necessarily feminists) tell them to do.

It is women who tend to decide what men should be concerned about or not concerned about. As such, women, as a whole, are very much to blame for what feminists have been doing because they have supported them.

And the Men In Power could not have done what they did without the support of ‘women’.

Furthermore, and for example, the type of women who go to Orpah’s shows are hardly ‘feminists’ are they. They are often just ordinary women gorging themselves on man-hatred – masturhation.

And mothers who have sons should be particularly outraged by how their boys might end up being treated one day.

But I don’t hear these ‘non-feminist’ mothers complaining about the misandry directed at their sons.

Pretty appalling, don’t you think?

Thus, my point is that women, as a whole, have very definitely supported feminism whether they call themselves feminists or not.

And my belief is that when men finally wake up, they are going to view women very differently from what they have done in the past.

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ray December 5, 2009 at 00:31

AH:

“Furthermore, and for example, the type of women who go to Orpah’s shows are hardly ‘feminists’ are they. They are often just ordinary women gorging themselves on man-hatred”

gorging themselves on man-hatred, exactly

it’s covered up by blather about diet and gossip and “spirituality” but the warm little center of oprah and similar fare is glorification — and normalization — of the hatred of maleness

that such pathology masquerading as entertainment is so beloved of amerikan women is damning

plus theres a whole corporation of vampires making money left and right off hating little boys, tee-shirts and all

feted as “celebrities” and received as royalty at the white house, part of the inner circle

hey AH how about i’ll take queen brittannia for awhile and you can have …. this ….. thing

we can trade back sometime i promise….. i’ll get back to you on that

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AmeriskankinParis December 5, 2009 at 00:40

Yes, spoiled in America. Based on what I see in the world (not only American) news. Almost 200 people have just been killed in 2 separate explosions in Russia, North Koreans have been ordered to be shot if they attempt to leave the country, 8 year boys in Africa are being held at gunpoint forced to rape then murder their mothers and sisters, kids in Mexico are being murdered in a drug war..etc.
Self pity never changed a thing. I am not the one trolling for sympathy here, just saying don’t compare me to a Kennedy. I don’t feel one bit sorry for myself and neither should you. I found this site because I am an American living overseas, that is my perspective. I should have bowed out gracefully, you’ll continue to hate women, with or without my presence. Too many mothers pampering little boys & the other half not caring enough for them.
And yes, girls like me get beaten and killed everyday and it’s the same old cliché, “another dead hooker”! C’est la vie. Beats working for some old man that pinches my ass anyway and doesn’t give me bonuses for it. Please feel free to share my Pollyanna spirit, find something right to be grateful for & work to fix what’s wrong. Work, not whine!

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ray December 5, 2009 at 01:20

skanks: you forgot the one about me owing child support and having a small penis

just so all the bases are officially touched

;O)

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Days of Broken Arrows December 5, 2009 at 02:10

Codebuster called this. It’s men’s chivalry and white knighting that really let the worst aspects of feminism take hold. It’s easy enough for women to turn on each other — there is no solidarity there. But in the workplace at least, men are the problem.

Now, can anyone tell me why the DNA is being discounted? As I mentioned in my post above (with links) Amanda’s DNA was found on the knife handle, and her victim’s DNA was on the blade. The news media isn’t mentioning this. No one here mentioned it. Isn’t this more important than talking about how American women are perceived abroad? Without the DNA evidence, there would likely be no bad perception of Knox.

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gwallan December 5, 2009 at 02:30

Enjoy your writing Welmar but none of this has anything to do with her guilt or innocence.

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AmeriskankinParis December 5, 2009 at 03:01

Experts said that the knife didn’t match the wounds. I think it was also a very small amount or maybe that since they shared a house, of course there was small amounts of DNA.
Don’t think it was discounted by the jurors since they convicted her.
But any woman who wrongly accuses another human being is off to a bad start.

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Welmer December 5, 2009 at 03:37

Enjoy your writing Welmar but none of this has anything to do with her guilt or innocence.

-gwallan

I’d argue that it has a great deal to do with her conviction.

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FWO December 5, 2009 at 04:45

I don’t know if she’s guilty or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me if she is guilty. It does appear to me that she likely hooked up with a “bad boy”, and is now in a very uncomfortable position because of it… American/Western women will never learn from their own horrible choices and decisions.

I agree with everybody who says that the rest of the world knows the real truth about American/Western women. During my foreign travels, I have observed that foreign men will have nothing to do with American women other than a one night stand.

I once heard an American man tell a man from India “if you’re too nice to an American woman, she won’t respect you”. To which the Indian man answered “Yes, it is well known throughout the world that American women are the worst”.

I haven’t had anything to do with American/Western women for over eight years, and have been loving it.

–FWO

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Skank Basher December 5, 2009 at 05:00

@Ameriskank:
To your statement that pussy is the power women have against men, I have a quote that is apropos.

THE VAGINA IS AN OVERRATED STINKHOLE!

How’s that for your power?

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finsalscollons December 5, 2009 at 06:05

“I agree with everybody who says that the rest of the world knows the real truth about American/Western women”

In case somebody still has any doubt, AmeriskankinParis makes the point clear showing how American women are.

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Welmer December 5, 2009 at 06:15

But any woman who wrongly accuses another human being is off to a bad start.

-Ameriskank

If that were grounds for imprisonment, millions of ex-wives would be rotting in jail as we speak.

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codebuster December 5, 2009 at 06:15

@Harry

As you point out, women have been complicit in feminism, and they have blindly accepted the lies of misandry peddled by feminists. But I don’t care what women think, I don’t care for their rights and I don’t care how miserable they are finding themselves to be, because they brought it all upon themselves in their betrayal of their fathers, husbands and sons. I agree with you that the contemporary woman has become a pretty vile creature indeed. All I know is that, within the workplace, men were my worst enemy. The women hardly played any role at all, and among those that did, they were so incompetent that it was fun catching them out and bringing their antics to light. Where their incompetence failed them, the male drones took over.

There’s an important aspect of psychology in where I’m coming from. The men that do women’s bidding are their useful idiots. These are not the idiots that change women’s minds or their culture. As far as women are concerned, these idiots do not really matter, they are just convenient and they are expendable. Men have always done battle with men. It’s a part of the natural law, and it applies as much today as it ever did. Women are good at administrative stuff, but hopeless on strategy – the success that we’ve witnessed in feminism we should attribute almost exclusively to men, men with a Leftist agenda and strategy to match, and men in power. Maybe someone should write a book along the lines of Sun Tzu’s “Art of War”, and apply it to the modern context.

It’s good to see the MRM growing. But there’s going to come a point where a line is going to be drawn and where blind chivalry and “patriarchal power” will be standing opposite us. I say, let’s identify them now to avoid the confusion.

We have the internet. We have table-top access to all the laws we ever need. And our administrators and management have become flabby, sloppy and incompetent. If activists don’t take these people on when it’s this easy, then when?

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Days of Broken Arrows December 5, 2009 at 06:19

CNN included this chart that maps the defense and prosecution’s takes on the evidence. For all I know, they’re being biased and leaving things out, but this does seem more of a confused mess than I thought.
Whatever the case, whoever said “don’t talk to police unless a lawyer is present” was on the right track.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/04/knox.evidence/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29

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Paul December 5, 2009 at 07:44

Just a thought Welmer but can you or the other who say they have followed the trial read and speak Italian? It not then at best you are getting your information through a filter. If that is an English speaking filter do you not think it possible that the picture you have could be distorted? After all we often accuse the MSM of being biased.

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Welmer December 5, 2009 at 08:15

Just a thought Welmer but can you or the other who say they have followed the trial read and speak Italian? It not then at best you are getting your information through a filter. If that is an English speaking filter do you not think it possible that the picture you have could be distorted? After all we often accuse the MSM of being biased.

-Paul

I read some Italian accounts from earlier in the trial, and they were pretty sensational. Lately, I have been reading mainly translations, and the ones we get here in Seattle are pretty good — we have a woman named Vogt, who is a Seattlite and fluent in Italian, reporting from Perugia for the local press. But to tell the truth, I stopped paying attention for a while until quite recently.

As for English language bias, the British press went after Amanda Knox from the beginning (the murdered girl is from England), so we have both sides of the story in English either way.

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FM Watkins December 5, 2009 at 08:44

She’s just been found guilty and sentenced to 26 years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/6729714/Meredith-Kercher-trial-Amanda-Knox-guilty-of-murder.html

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FM Watkins December 5, 2009 at 08:48
Racer X December 5, 2009 at 11:00

Why should be shocked at anything women do today? We live in a society where women routinely kill their own children through abortion.

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piercedhead December 5, 2009 at 12:01

There’s quite a lot of damning evidence against her and the other two. From where I sit, it looks like all 3 were involved, but as to exactly what motivated them and what happened, I think the prosecution is speculating, and that that is inevitable in this sort of case.

In the end, the verdict of guilty means it is believed beyond reasonable doubt that she and the other two committed the murder. It is not an endorsement of every claim the prosecutor makes.

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AF December 5, 2009 at 12:22

Here in Italy, Pussy-Pass FAIL!

(at least it did… today!)

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Bhanu December 6, 2009 at 00:14

Welmer may be sympathetic to his nation’s citizen, but the fact of the matter is that, from the evidence, amanda IS a spoiled brat besides being a sadist and cold blooded murderer.

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hans December 6, 2009 at 01:53

Welmer, an apt demonstration of subservient American male apologist attitude towards your females.
Way to go dude, putting the bitch on a pedestal even as you´re deftly analyzing what a defective creature it is.

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ringodarling December 6, 2009 at 02:26

Sorry, but I expect more from women. Opening their legs is easy stuff, and they enjoy the sex as much as men do.

———————————————————————

/HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

You really believe that? Most women can’t even orgasm from sex….if you think women enjoy fucking as much as men do, that reflects your galling arrogance. Women do not get the same level of physical enjoyment out of sex that men do. I don’t know any women who haven’t faked climaxes just to put an end to the whole tiresome ordeal. Your penises aren’t the magical orgasm-giving sticks you think they are.
Fucking a pussy is a privilege NOT a right. Men SHOULD pay for the privilege IMO. The women who give it away for free have serious self-esteem issues. They should be shipped off to Africa to be plundered alongside the other valuable natural resources.

Women could live without sex…….men cannot.

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ringodarling December 6, 2009 at 02:31

If Amanda Knox screwed the African native in an orgy…..that is reason enough to put her away for 26 years. YMMV

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Kathy Farrelly December 6, 2009 at 04:14

” Women do not get the same level of physical enjoyment out of sex that men do”
Ya think?

What makes you such an expert on the female orgasm ?

“Women could live without sex…….men cannot.”

Anyone can live without sex! It is not a prerequisite to living.

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Anya December 6, 2009 at 10:31

I think the author of this article is a complete idiot and has no idea in reality what people think in Europe. I was born in Europe so I should know first hand that most Europeans despise Americans, not just women but men as well and everything else that deals with American culture. The hate comes from the fact that people have lower standard of living, less education opportunities and less money, so if there is a country that is called the “superpower” of the world, understandably people will hate it and despise it. If you have not been to Europe, you obviously don’t know that women there are much more promiscuous and sleep with a lot more men then American women combined. Sexuality is very open in Europe and to make Amanda Knox a villain because of these things is a complete debauchery and Italian judicial system including the prosecutors should be ashamed of themselves for putting innocent kids in jail for a crime they did not commit and justifying their actions by portraying Amanda Knox in a bad light.

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chic noir December 6, 2009 at 14:46

Amanda’s boyfriend is a white guy who held the murdered woman down and allegdly slit her throat while the Afircan man raped her.

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Eric Davidson December 6, 2009 at 15:55

Despite the objections raised by her family about the Italian justice system, etc., it is strange that this Knox trial has attracted so much international attention

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chic noir December 6, 2009 at 16:37

Mr. m What if she was fat and ugly? Could you picture it then? Humans, both genders, are capable of violence – trying to suggest that “I don’t think she did it because she looks nice” is more of the same shit that got us where we are today

Co-sign Mr. M and I like a bit of white knighting btw.

I’m not sure she cut her throat but if she did, I’m sure she had some help.
Whelmer You got me, Caliph. The one, important, reason I am somewhat biased is that the girl is from my hometown, and culturally pretty much the same as me — as a middle-class, Catholic Seattlite she reminds me of my cousins. But it doesn’t have anything to do with her sex.

Don’t take this the wrong way guys…
It’s the exact way many people will view her. That’s why if she looked like me, most of you would find her guilty before you heard the facts. I’ve argued this point on a race thread over at R’s some time ago. I’m not turning this into a rae thread so trolls don’t bait me but some people will call this white privilege(spec W.female privilege ).

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Welmer December 6, 2009 at 17:04

Don’t take this the wrong way guys…
It’s the exact way many people will view her. That’s why if she looked like me, most of you would find her guilty before you heard the facts. I’ve argued this point on a race thread over at R’s some time ago. I’m not turning this into a rae thread so trolls don’t bait me but some people will call this white privilege(spec W.female privilege ).

-chic noir

I’m not so sure I would have bought the story no matter what the color of the girl, but, yeah, the familiarity makes it harder to believe. I mean, this wasn’t some ghetto gangster girl or white trash biker slut, and I’m supposed to believe she knifed her roommate to death in a sex orgy while she’s on a study abroad program? Sorry, but it doesn’t seem all that plausible. For another thing, how the hell was she supposed to get away with something like that, and what purpose could it possibly serve her to kill her roommate? Where’s a credible motive? Are we supposed to believe that she was simultaneously cunning and yet so stupid? Same goes for her boyfriend. The guy was a computer geek.

The entire case against Amanda and Raffaele just strains credulity, whereas the lone killer theory seems much more reasonable and plausible.

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chic noir December 6, 2009 at 17:18

Well whelmer, I think she and her boyfriend were using drugs. I’m not sure what type of drugs but some drugs make the taker psyhcotic.

Same goes for her boyfriend. The guy was a computer geek.
but isn’t “computer geek” type who the newsmedia sterotype as the lonley disaffected male who is most likely to go postal. IIRC, the boyfriend wasn’t a bad looking guy, rather average looking.

Some folks believe this is the type of stuff that middle class girls do when they sneak off for some exictement for the same reasons why middle class kids who grow up in healthy homes use hard drugs meanwhile, someone like me who grew up in the hood has never tried weed let alone some other very addictive street drug. Of course not all and certainly not most but it does happen.

IIRC,her parents divorced but I don’t know if that counts for anything.

For the record, I’m not sure she did it(leaning towards didn’t) but I wouldn’t put it past her that she was in the room as it was happening. I’mleaning towards her boyfriend and the African-Italian guy killed the British lady.

but, yeah, the familiarity makes it harder to believe
thank you for manning up and saying this because many people won’t admit as much.

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piercedhead December 6, 2009 at 18:19

Amanda Knox was implicated from the outset by her peculiar behavior.
-doing cartwheels in a police station while her boy-friend is being interrogated for a murder suggests numerous possibilities – not least of which is an attempt by her to portray herself as an innocent unable to grasp the gravity of her situation.
-accusing someone else who turns out to be completely innocent, then changing her story as soon as it’s clear that she needs to is also incriminating.
-a knife with the victim’s blood on the tip, and Knox’s blood on the handle, washed with bleach and found at her boyfriend’s place (not her own place, which is also the crime-scene) is ‘smoking gun’ evidence – especially since Knox’s own story that she was with her boy-friend provides him with an alibi against going it alone
-her claims that she was nowhere near the crime scene at the time, later proved to be false by mobile phone records indicate she’s ready to say anything without regard to truth
-she has the strongest motive of all three – there was a known element of animosity between her and the victim, and anyone who has had to live under the same roof as anyone else where relations are strained knows how out of hand that can get. Throw in a young, immature woman who has probably never made an art out of self-restraint and it gets several degrees worse. Especially when the other party is another young woman.

I wasn’t privy to the trial of course, so I don’t know all the evidence and how it was presented, but those who were there are obviously convinced within the bounds of reasonable doubt that she was implicated, and more so than her boy-friend.

As murder trials go, there is no egregious wrong in this verdict, only the lingering sense that a young woman may have been wronged – just only so slightly – and that concerns us because while we couldn’t care less when men are similarly tried and convicted on lesser evidence (we are probably more ready to assume the two men are guilty), we are unnerved by the fact that a woman has been judged so harshly.

Welmer has better reasons than most to identify with her. I suspect anyone from the Ivory Coast is of no doubt that their man didn’t stand a chance either. Perhaps Italians would have liked to believe that their man was under the influence of the American she-devil, and therefore less culpable. The family of the English victim are content with all 3 being convicted.

But for me, with no sense of tribal connection, there is nothing about this case that makes it that different to any other, apart from the fact a white woman got 26 years when there were nearby men to put all blame on. That is the only substantive feature. I don’t allow her a greater benefit of small doubt, and I certainly don’t believe she’s incapable of cutting someone’s throat because she’s female.

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Lady Raine December 6, 2009 at 18:25

I don’t get what the “big deal” is with Amanda. So? If she committed a crime….she’ll be convicted just like any other criminal.

Otherwise I don’t see what the big deal is? Could it be because it’s SO rare for a woman to kill without remorse? No, but it’s rare. If this were a man…..this wouldn’t even make the news. “Sadistic sex-starved murders” are pretty much commonplace amongst men as a gender and yet so many men will STILL defend them.

Then here you have a woman who may/may not be an actual “criminal” and you guys have painted her as a female version of Ted Bundy. Are you kidding me? Are you SO far-reaching in your quest for finding “evil women” that you have taken a run-of-the-mill woman who is clearly ….errr…a little kinky and tried to paint her into some sort of horrible monster???

That’s clearly the case here. This woman has (allegedly) done what men do and have done everyday since the beginning of time to “women” as a gender. Why is it SO amazing to anyone that a “regular woman” can be capable of the same things you gentlemen so often are (like rape, mass-murder, sadistic homicides, etc.)?

Maybe deep down even YOU all as Misogynists know deep down that women are expected to “be better” than men and not do those sorts of things.

You are terrified as a gender of ONE woman who MIGHT be a danger to men everywhere…..and you shriek and cry and want justice…..

….then you turn around and mock the millions of women who live in actual REAL danger of these sorts of men everyday. One woman turns you all into misogynists on a woman-hating spree, but you condemn and shun “Feminists” who talk about how “justice needs to be served” on the MANY men who prey upon women everyday whether as murderers, rapists, or molesters.

Again, would you maybe see the “point” of what women are talking about if women like Amanda were rampant and “the norm”? Because only THEN could you know (and feel) what it’s like for each woman on this earth every single day.

I say, more power to her. Maybe men will stop “just being boys” and learn that some people (women) just aren’t to be messed with.

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Lady Raine December 6, 2009 at 18:37

Sentenced to 26 years? My ass. She (if she’s a Sociopath and it’s clear that she is) will be out in less than 5 years guaranteed. She’ll smile, she’ll cajole, she’ll be the “sweetest and most helpful” girl in the prison yard. She will probably be held in high regards amongst the “husband-murderers” in prison and ESPECIALLY the man-haters.

Her prison guards will trust her, adore her, even do her favors. Her parole-review board will feel sorry for her and think she’s an intelligent girl who became bored with life. The liberals will defend her and say the poor girl “just wasn’t challenged enough” and also “was shunned by society for her unusual sexual appetite”.

She will walk after 5 years and I hope to hell someone marks my words on this because her “childlike joy” over things that are typically considered “sick and immoral” show that she is, indeed a Sociopath. A very lucid one. One that is in control and is completely aware of what she is doing.

I’m not saying that the above mentioned things are necessarily GOOD things. But what this woman did is nothing special. She’s not the next “Black Widow” nor is she Elizabeth Borden. Her crime isn’t very rare in terms of crimes in general. It’s just rare for a young, attractive, and seemingly “normal” girl.

Gentlemen, if there is ANYTHING you should fear, it’s not girls like her. It’s the millions of OTHER women who are just like her……but better at it. Remember, a Sociopath is not “psychotic” and does not suffer from “delusions” or even run of the mill “psychosis”. To assume these people are “loose cannons” is a very dangerous assumption to make.

Most of the more successful CEOS and VPs are the mostly deadly of Sociopaths. The only difference between them and you is how far they are willing to go and how much self-control they have.

This woman has done nothing “notable” and is hardly an example of modern Feminism. She’s simply an example of the rare Sociopathic woman that actually gets CAUGHT (meaning it’s not rare for females to be Socios….just rare for them to get caught and lose control).

If you’d have given this girl another 10 years she’d have been a formidable murderer that would have never gotten caught.

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Zeta December 6, 2009 at 18:45

Does anyone think she’d get 26 years in America? Assuming the same conviction, of course.

I can’t remember the last time an American woman got a steep sentence like that, in America.

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InternetWood December 6, 2009 at 18:52

Welmer:

The entire case against Amanda and Raffaele just strains credulity, whereas the lone killer theory seems much more reasonable and plausible.

Multiple women screwing multiple men….. sometimes the same men/women…. I too see that there is little possibility for jealousy and craziness.

Wait, wait, I’m sorry, it’s a drama super-generator.

“Stop fucking my boyfriend bitch!”

“What’s the matter, can’t keep him!”

“You slut! You would fuck the whole Italian soccer team if you could!”

“Stop talking to her like that!”

“I didn’t fuck her!”

“That wasn’t what you said last night”(smirk)

Yeah. Stable situation right there. If she was white trash, then it wouldn’t even make the news except as some sort of freakshow.

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21Guns December 6, 2009 at 20:06

Does anyone think she’d get 26 years in America? Assuming the same conviction, of course.

I can’t remember the last time an American woman got a steep sentence like that, in America.

Assuming the same conviction, probably, but it would depend on the state.

I just did a search on female killers in America, and after picking out the ones who had committed similar crimes (killing another woman, as opposed to killing men or children) and eliminating those that happened too long ago to be relevant, I found the following three examples:

Dana Sue Gray got life without parole. California, 1998.
Carolyn Warmus got 25 years, with possibility for parole after 25 years. New York, 1992.
Karla Faye Tucker got the death penalty. Texas, 1983 executed in 1998.

But she probably wouldn’t have gotten the same conviction here. Most likely she’d get a manslaughter charge and be out in a few years. The two men wouldn have gotten the worst sentences.

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21Guns December 6, 2009 at 20:15

aarg, that should have been, Carolyn Warmus got 25 years TO LIFE.

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Novaseeker December 6, 2009 at 21:13

The entire case against Amanda and Raffaele just strains credulity, whereas the lone killer theory seems much more reasonable and plausible.

I’m not so sure. I think that the lone killer theory has quite a few problems. The first is that the glass from the broken window fell on top of the mussed up stuff — indicating it happened after, not before — in other words, a staged break in. And Guede didnt have a key, that was established. The place was locked when police came the next day, and Guede didnt lock the door. Also, how did the victim’s DNA get on a knife in Sco’s apartment, even in a trace? Seems very odd to me.

Whatever happened that night was very strange, and likely not expected for all of them. Amanda played a role in it, without a doubt really — too much covering up for that to not be the case. I don’t think we’ll ever know what happened that night in Perugia, but I doubt it was Guede alone. Too many other facts don’t add up to that.

I know that it is hard for us, as Americans, to accept that cute middle class women who could be our family members could commit a crime like this (or at least be an “accessory” to such a crime). But that right there gets to the beating heart of our chivalry. It’s that same impulse and instinct that fucks men in family court, that leads to women’s wild accusations being believed (after all, she looks like my sister, and I know my sister wouldn’t make that shit up, right?) and so on. This is the core of the issue we face as men, and we face it *within* us. We know intellectually that women are every bit as evil as men, and some of us know that experientially, too, but when it comes close to home, when she looks like us and seems like our sister or our aunt and so on … then we revert to our programmed position “to protect our women”.

The way the US has reacted to this case is, to me, quite illustrative of the current state of play in the US between men and women. There was enough evidence to convict here, and certainly many, many men have been convicted on flimsier evidence. But if you are cute and white and middle class, and female … of course there is a different standard. They’re not LIKE us, they are WOMEN, they do not DO stuff like that and so on.

The thing is this: in a drunken/stoned haze, with a fresh love BF (as he was, her “BF” of ten days, counting as a “BF” only in contemporary Ameriskank terms), all bets are off on female behavior. That girl you played with down the street can become an evil bitch in a short period of time given those influences and the lack of a moral rudder. And so to be honest, I am not surprised by the verdict, and I do not think it is unjust. Without a doubt, she was there when this girl died. What she did there, we may never know .. and it is likely she herself, pothead that she was, doesn’t frankly remember. But she was there when it happened. No doubt.

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Jabherwochie December 7, 2009 at 08:00

I haven’t had time to catch up on the posts, but I apparently jumped the gun in my armchair profilers profile. Apparently Amanda Knox has a complex, and unique profile (or unique in sense that I’ve never seen one like it (see further below)) which caused my intitial judgement to be off base. Upon understanding her full profile, she may be quite the little sociopath after all, although a disorganized one, which the sloppiness of how everything went down is what threw me off. I was working under the assumption that a female sociopath would have been an organized (this is a psychological foresnsic term) one, sense females do not generally have low IQs, which I don’t believe she does. But apparently she would be more classified as a mix of organized and disorganized (which is rarer), and I admittedly know less about (this is what seperates amateur profilers like me from the pros). My original profile was still a great guess, and I stand by it for most intents and purposes, because I still believe the boyfriend comminted the death blows (see further below).

“””Female serial killers are rare.[50][51][52][53] They tend to murder men for personal gain, are usually emotionally close to their victims,[50][51][52][53] and generally need to have a relationship with a person before killing them.[51] “An analysis of 86 female serial killers from the U.S. found that the victims tended to be spouses, children or the elderly.”[50][51] The methods they use for murder are covert or “low profile”, such as murder by poison.[50][51][52][54] They commit killings in specific places, such as their home or a health-care facility (where they then become known as “Angels of Mercy” by the media), or at different locations within the same city or state.[55][56] Each killer will have her own proclivities, needs and triggers, as specific reasons can only be obtained from the killer herself.[50][51][52][54] On rare occasions, women may be involved with a male serial killer as a part of a serial killing “team”.[50][51][52][54]

“In a review of published literature on female serial murder, the most common motive identified was material gain.”[50][51] Sexual or sadistic motives are believed to be extremely rare in female serial murderers, and psychopathic traits and histories of childhood abuse have been consistently reported in these women.[50][51] In a study of 105 female serial killers, the preferred method of killing was poisoning.[50][51]“‘

(In reference to above, you can see why I was thrown off.)

Here is her unusual real profile, unusual in the multi-personality level. I’m not even sure what they mean by that.

“Investigators have produced a psychological profile of Amanda Knox which, translated by the Italian news agency ANSA, describes her as having a “multi-level personality” and being “‘self-possessed, shrewd, cunning and, at the same time, naive”.

She was also said to have no inhibitions and was subject to any impulse, “even those which could lead to uncontrolled and violent behaviour”.

The reason I still think the boyfriend did it is because he collected knifes and swords, was obsessed with morbid things, and the son of doctor, which people close to medical backgrounds sometimes become obsessed with power over life and death. Also, see below;

“Investigators said her boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito was “attracted to violence” and possessed a “complex and, in certain respects, disturbing personality”.

So I take back my certainty, and replace it with assurdness. The evidence still suggests to me that she did not inflict the death blows, but I am far more willing to accept that maybe she did, and in might very likely have held down the victim as her boyfriend did the throat slitting, which is farther than I would have thought she would have been involved before. Before I thought she just took place in a gang rape and then either talked her BF into killing her or simply witnessed it, but tried to cover it up. It looks more likely to me know that it was a frenzy killing that she may have actively participated in. Thats the best your getting from me today. No mia culpa, but I definently didn’t hit the target square on.

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Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 08:22

*sigh*

You guys suck at profiling sometimes. Yes, it’s obvious she’s a Sociopath. All I looked at was the pic of her face and knew. Those women typically have charming and even “childlike” smiles and laughs. A genuine glimmer of happiness in their eyes. It’s not a put on. That’ what makes them scary.

Amanda is QUITE sane. In the mentions above about “famous female serial killers” he’s right in that it’s usually people close to them or people who are weaker than them (like children or the elderly).

HOWEVER in almost ALL cases involving a female serial killer, the motive was money or material goods. The reason this story doesn’t make sense is because someone is still missing an important piece to the puzzle. There has never once been a case of a woman (working alone) and murdering people for JUST “sexual” or sadistic reasons. Even when Sadism is present, there is usually an underlying motive of money/material gain.

Even women who murder their kids and husbands seemingly for no reason….its’ usually (because in their sick minds) the husband didn’t do a good job of “keeping up with the Jones’s” or the kids were “not as cute as Linda’s down the street”.

If this case is truly missing such a LARGE portion such as motive, then there is definitely something new and “shocking” that will come out of this case. There is absolutely NO WAY this woman murders just to murder. Sociopathic or not.

There is a material and financial motive to all of this…..or else she didn’t do these things at all. Those are the two clear options.

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Ghost of Rihanna December 7, 2009 at 08:39

“You guys suck at profiling sometimes. Yes, it’s obvious she’s a Sociopath. All I looked at was the pic of her face and knew”…………..

Lady Raine, this is SO true. It’s funny. With regards to crazy people, I mean really crazy, I can spot them – it’s a look in their eyes. I’ve had friends who’ve complained about disturbing behaviour of mates, friends, and when I see their photos I’m like, “I could have told you”.

And when someone “goes crazy”, I’ve usually predicted it in advance without even knowing them, just knowing what they look like, or I had a feeling they were “off”.

Again it’s the eyes or something offputting about their face – even though they can be “good looking” in a traditional sense.

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MM December 7, 2009 at 08:46

I dont think Knox murdered her directly, but she was definitely aware, present, and in some way involved in the incident.

Look at her face….those are not innocent eyes.

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MM December 7, 2009 at 08:48

Same thing with Arturo Gatti’s ex-wife. All I had to do was look at her face and those remorseless eyes. No question.

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Billy December 7, 2009 at 09:00

To all the morons out there, bottom line is, even if she did not hold the knife in her hand, she was present which makes her an accessory to murder. That makes her culpable in any civilized judicial system. The Italians were having jurried trials 2000 years ago, while most of the world was still living in trees. Anybody who knows anything knows Italian judicial system leans liberal. I am tired of arrogant Americans who think that only they know how to have a fair trial. Oh yeah remember O.J. you want to talk circus !!!

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Zeta December 7, 2009 at 10:19

Now she’s playing the “suicidal” game. What a despicable little creature she is, trying to play up sympathies back in the states so we can get her murderous ass off the hook and back home. Let her rot! Or better yet, give her some rope and see what happens. Either way we win – she’s exposed as a liar or one less piece of dirt is on the planet.

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Laura December 7, 2009 at 10:25

Aside from Ms. Knox being guilty or not, I’d like to comment on your perspective of American women. I find little integrity in anyone who makes sweeping generalizations across large groups or populations. Just what are your credentials regarding the entire American female population? The link you provide hardly seems conclusive to your claims. (A sampling of 85 people, come on!) I am an educated women who did not go through my college years drug induced and sleeping with tons of men, and I am not alone in this. Equally so, what makes you an expert on how all Europeans feel about American women? Are you not just perpetuating views that a have no scientific credit? I find your article insulting. You do a terrible injustice to American women. Women that have worked hard because our culture requires it of us. A culture that requires the same from us as from our male counterparts to become successful, to whatever definition you want to place on that word. Women come in all shapes, sizes and characteristics throughout America and Europe. You should do a more scientific study of women and culture before you profess such an arrogant sweeping summing-up of an entire population.
As for Ms. Knox, I don’t know if she is guilty or not, we will never truly know what happened that tragic day for I distrust most media coverage, and I certainly will not be so mindless to make that judgment by listening to the evening news.

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Zeta December 7, 2009 at 10:40

Yawn. The “not all women are like that” approach. Maybe you’re not, Laura. Then again, you probably are. Are you divorced and a recipient of the children, alimony, and/or “child support”? Have you attained a job position because of your sex (“women and minorities strongly urged to apply”)? How about receiving cash for college that would not be extended to men (there is literally tens of billions available only to females, despite being 60% of college graduates)? Have you skipped out on jail for doing a crime that would land a main in the can (“pussy pass”)? Have you ever abused the legal system against a man whom you disliked or from whom you wanted something (false rape claim, false charge of domestic abuse, especially to gain the upper hand in divorce)?

Not to mention the passive benefits you receive from merely being female. The world is always there to hold your hand, men, women, and the government alike. This is why, if you fail to find yourself at the standard you choose, despite all the preferences along the way (many of which I enumerated in the last paragraph), you won’t be in jail, homeless, or dead (men being 90%+ of the homeless and jailed).

And if you are so different and special, why should we care? What are you doing about all the women who are like the ones we’re describing? Are you protesting, joining up with people like us who are speaking out and doing something? Or are you just doing what the female sex does so well, which is whining when your feelings are hurt and supporting the status quo by doing nothing?

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Welmer December 7, 2009 at 10:46

I find your article insulting. You do a terrible injustice to American women.

-Laura

Typical. You accuse me of doing American women an injustice simply by pointing out their terrible behavior. Didn’t you get my point? If Amanda hadn’t been so poorly behaved – like a typical American girl – I doubt she would have been convicted. For the record, I don’t think she did it — the evidence is just too shabby, especially considering what a bloody murder it was.

I’m trying to offer American women constructive criticism, which is helpful by definition, but as usual you are arrogant and ungrateful.

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Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 10:53

Yawn. The “not all women are like that” approach. Maybe you’re not, Laura. Then again, you probably are. Are you divorced and a recipient of the children, alimony, and/or “child support”? Have you attained a job position because of your sex (”women and minorities strongly urged to apply”)? How about receiving cash for college that would not be extended to men (there is literally tens of billions available only to females, despite being 60% of college graduates)? Have you skipped out on jail for doing a crime that would land a main in the can (”pussy pass”)? Have you ever abused the legal system against a man whom you disliked or from whom you wanted something (false rape claim, false charge of domestic abuse, especially to gain the upper hand in divorce)?

I can answer NO to every single accusation you just posted there. What’s your excuse now for a “single mother” like me being successful in a hands on Machinist/Engineering job??

I am successfully raising not only my son (who doesn’t even know he EVER had a father) as well as helping to raise my sister’s 4 children (we share a home now). I have never taken a dime of child support, a dime of welfare, have never been married, have never lived with/off of a man, and am not an ugly, ballbusting dyke, either.

So, what’s your excuse for women who are like me? Oh that’s right. I MUST be a liar. Women like me don’t EXIST.

In your minds you want to believe that all women are just DYING to live off of a man, but the fact of the matter is that most of us would rather not be bothered by men at all (except maybe occasionally for sex or companionship).

You finally live in a world where you are not “expected” to do a damn thing as men. You aren’t expected to support your families (and most of you don’t), you aren’t given “automatic custody” of kids like women are, you don’t have to be the “provider” and can stay home now if you want to, you can have sex outside of wedlock (and women can too so it’s easier to get laid these days, and yet…..

…..You still aren’t happy. You STILL want to believe that women “need” you for your resources. There are plenty of women who are just like me and have no cause/need to want to “trick” a man out of his resources, trick the government, or trick an employer into GIVING us things we do not deserve.

Yet, you shriek and deny those women EVEN EXIST. Why??? Because then you can no longer “play the victim” like so many men today are playing. You condemn Feminists for acting like “victims”…..

….then turn around and act like “victims” of Feminism yourselves!!!! How can I be the only lucid person here that sees the ridiculous (and funny) hypocrisy of the men’s statements here.

Even the guys who are talking about ex-wives who “took them for a ride” in the divorce. That’s HER fault? You’re the VICTIM?

You picked a bad woman. You chose to get married. No one forced you. None of those things make you a “victim” of anything at all. There is no victim in a marriage 99% of the time because unless you live in a nation where you are FORCED to get married to a certain person….

….then it is no one’s fault but your own. Admit you fucked up, picked a bad woman, and that she “tricked” you. That’s being a man. This pussy-bitch crying about how all women are evil and the world is against you is an argument that just makes men as gender look even more weak than they actually are.

Don’t blame Feminism that you picked a “bitch” to marry.

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Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 10:57

As for the rest of you, your argument about “American Women” is the equivalent of the ugly nerd in school saying “I didn’t want to have sex with the hot, popular cheerleader ANYWAY!!!!!”

And stomping off to find a less hot, less intelligent, less “hard to get” woman.

Any American woman should be complimented by what these guys are saying. They HAVE to like foreign women because only women from poorer, lesser nations would consider men like these “Higher Status” men. Essentially the guys who talk about how “awful” American women are…..are the guys who cannot compete with the other American Men for those women…..

…..and have to go looking elsewhere.

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Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 10:59

As for Amanda, herself…..she’s the kind of woman that I’d take out for drinks and discuss her methods.

She takes what she wants and makes no apologies for it. I’ll trust a person like that anyday over a person who is full of false “kindness & sunshine”.

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Mr.M December 7, 2009 at 11:00

“I didn’t want to have sex with the hot, popular cheerleader ANYWAY!!!!!”

That made me chuckle.

And stomping off to find a less hot, less intelligent, less “hard to get” woman.

That, too.

Oh LR – you made my Monday a little better. Thanks!

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Jabherwochie December 7, 2009 at 11:02

“I say, more power to her. Maybe men will stop “just being boys” and learn that some people (women) just aren’t to be messed with.”

You’re a true admirerer, aren’t you.

“Again, would you maybe see the “point” of what women are talking about if women like Amanda were rampant and “the norm”? Because only THEN could you know (and feel) what it’s like for each woman on this earth every single day.”

You mean privledged, sanctimonious, and naive? Violent crime is committed against men far more than women. Men die in wars and are tortured in POW camps. Men make up the vast majority of inmates and suffer rape while women like you laugh about their just desserts. Women fear men, but we are the protectors of your safety, the people who enforce justice, run into burining buildings, sacrifice our lives for “women and children first”, and you have a problem with us, you fear us…thanks. You know who kills more helpless children (not even counting abortion)? Women. You know which sex they kill more often? Males. Try again Lady Lame. Damn, I don’t have time for this, its a busy work day and I haven’t even caught up with any articles or posts, just saw you phat ass name responding to post of mine…oh well, maybe a few more…

“Otherwise I don’t see what the big deal is? Could it be because it’s SO rare for a woman to kill without remorse? No, but it’s rare. If this were a man…..this wouldn’t even make the news. “Sadistic sex-starved murders” are pretty much commonplace amongst men as a gender and yet so many men will STILL defend them.”

Its a big deal because it is rare. Damn, you condradicted yourself in back to back sentences. This is hardly a challenge. And if it were a man, it would make the news, and he would be convicted in the hearts and minds of the world as guilty immediately, despite that “sadistic sex-starved murders” are very rare amongst men. We might have a propensity for violence, but the only reason more “sadistic sex-starved murders” are committed by men is because we have more outliers, not because we are just men. Its the same reason men do most of the saint like goodness in the world too. Outliers. And we don’t defend evil men. Have you seen what we told to the guy who brought up “Mein Kampf” as making sense, which I’m sure it does, but we still wouldn’t have it. Try again.

“Gentlemen, if there is ANYTHING you should fear, it’s not girls like her. It’s the millions of OTHER women who are just like her……but better at it. ”

Wo. Wait a sec. Are you joining us? Is this a female mind game your playing on me….these are not feminists you’re looking for….oh god, my brain hurts, someone make her witch craft stop…BTW, I haven’t gotten back to the old post where we first met. You didn’t apologize and switch sides already, have you? That would be weird. Stop me if you’ve already digested my psychic semen and realized its rather rare sugary taste is something you’ll willfully swallow….

“You guys suck at profiling sometimes. Yes, it’s obvious she’s a Sociopath. All I looked at was the pic of her face and knew. ”

Look, I’ll admit, naturals at reading people have a step up over those who had to learn it, but come on, one look at her face and you and Rhianna’s Ghost just knew…well, whats that saying about women’s intuition having evolved from thousands of years of never thinking. Whatever. If you’re that good, join the FBI and catch some child molestors. An ability that powerful is wasted if not put to good. I’m sure you use it sucker men and play politics at work.

“There is a material and financial motive to all of this…..or else she didn’t do these things at all. Those are the two clear options.”

Bold pronouncement. Is this one based off your intuition as well? Its extremely weak? Any financial incentive would have been dug up by now. It was just a sex game (rape) gone horribly wrong which resulted in a sloppy attempt to silence the victim.

I’m slammed at work, but maybe I can play more later. I can’t help but notice your tone is slightly less shrill in this comment thread. Does this mean you’re going for the frenemy angle instead of the enemy one? You, like many bright women, are just smart enough to be deeply, internally contradictory and confused. Just let me know what persona you are going to attempt to present, so I’m not trying to tear down a moving target? Don’t confuse flexibility with wishy-washiness. That tangled knot of female cognition and emotion is best left tightly wound in a ball. Its less easy to penetrate that way. I sense you are already unraveling.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada December 7, 2009 at 11:03

LOL@ Laura. Tell me, did you guys really expect anything DIFFERENT?
Let you in on a little secret:
THEY ALL RUN THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM:
Entitlement Feminism 1.o.

They are not going to change because the CANNOT.
It’s on autopilot. This generation and the next 2.

Best to leave them be and go your own way. Go Expat, buy a nice little villa outside the Anglosphere and light up a cigar and watch on satellite dish while the whole thing collapses under its own weight. Why bother with all the unnecessary drama? LOL, I’m beginning to believe some of you “astute” men are just as bad as the 1st World Female: 100% addicted to Pain.

Pack your bags, leave them alone and Remember Lot’s wife.

With all the Tiger Woods/Amanda Knox panem et circenses, I imagine it won’t be too much longer.

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Zeta December 7, 2009 at 11:08

LR: that’s nice. Assuming you’re being honest (an assumption I and many others would not make, knowing your track record), that just makes you a more self-aware man-hater, which is even worse than being a passive supporter of the status quo. You want a reward?

Try to condense your rantings and ravings into one post in the future. I know the anger tends to come out in semi-conscious bursts with women, but please.

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Steezer December 7, 2009 at 11:12

Dudes, just ignore LR. Unless you’re actually enjoying reading what she has to say.

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Jabherwochie December 7, 2009 at 11:13

Oh shit. I didn’t even see the rest of the posts Lady Paine wrote. I can’t step away quite yet. Lets see if I can multi-task like women are so proud of. I’m sure my grammar and spelling will continue to suffer, but I doubt my barbs will miss the target much. It’s like shooting at the broad side of a feminist.

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Steezer December 7, 2009 at 11:28

You all might be interested in this piece in the (London) Times, by the way. Seems like a pretty reasonable take, from a female British columnist. Not all the commenters are as sane, though: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/libby_purves/article6946545.ece

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Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 11:34

Jabher–

I don’t even know what the hell you are talking about, so please direct your weird and random comments elsewhere unless they actually make sense.

Zeta–

Actually, no one has ever proved anything I say to be a lie and I’ve invited and even provided the resources to check and PROVE anything I have ever said was a lie. The reason no one has come up with any fact to prove otherwise is because there isn’t any.

Clearly, you know nothing about me at all.

The fact that you cannot even admit that there are normal, hardworking women in the world who don’t want/expect a man to care for them is pretty delusional and ridiculous.

It has nothing to do with “hating men”. I adore men and have lots of platonic male friends. I very much prefer the company of men to women and have no desire to be a voice for Feminism or for women in general because I don’t identify with 99% of women in any way.

You can say you want to about me, but I don’t believe in “men vs. women” because it’s a battle that is not only ridiculous……but a battle that cannot be won without both teams losing.

Of course there are tons of heartless, manipulative women in this world who will ride out their lives on a man’s support payments or paychecks…..but there are also plenty of men who are completely okay with being deadbeat dads and letting the taxpayers pay for the kids that they made.

Women are not “better”, but neither are men. Indeed, modern men have a weakness that men didn’t used to have and again….it’s entitlement. Men today think they have a ‘right” to a good woman just by being a “good guy”. Men even think they have a “right” to sex and even reproduction. The only thing any human has the “right” to is their own body, air to breathe, and water to drink. Anything else is something that you have to earn. Period.

If you want to try to make me a poster child for “man-haters” that’s fine, but then you also have to make me a poster child for “woman-haters” too. I find females to be vapid, boring, and too emotional for my tastes (as friends or acquaintances and ESPECIALLY bosses).

You think that I LIKE IT when a woman who sits in the office all day and knows nothing about engineering comes down and tells me “this is wrong” but cannot even show me on a blue print what she is referring to??? That I have to watch women have “positions of power” who know significantly LESS than I do??? Who walk around at jobs practically throwing an ovary at every male that they speak to, just to prove their Grrrrrrrl Power???? No, because even women are directly affected by Feminism in a negative way each and everyday in the very same ways that many of you gentlemen are so PLEASE stop telling the lie that “women everywhere benefit unfairly from Feminism”. Many of us suffer because of it, but in your general woman-hate you fail to see that side at all.

And obviously fail to admit it.

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Jabherwochie December 7, 2009 at 11:47

“I can answer NO to every single accusation you just posted there. What’s your excuse now for a “single mother” like me being successful in a hands on Machinist/Engineering job??”

Women can be very successful if they need to prove something to the world. The smart ones just leach off of the system or a man, or both. Which are you, someone with something to prove, or someone too stupid to take the path of least resistance?

“I am successfully raising not only my son (who doesn’t even know he EVER had a father) as well as helping to raise my sister’s 4 children (we share a home now). I have never taken a dime of child support, a dime of welfare, have never been married, have never lived with/off of a man, and am not an ugly, ballbusting dyke, either.”

Your son will always be a bastard, and he will always know that. He will resent you for it once he is old enough to figure it all out. Apparently your sister is just as trashy as you. Way to ensure the survival of your genetic heritage.

“You finally live in a world where you are not “expected” to do a damn thing as men. You aren’t expected to support your families (and most of you don’t), you aren’t given “automatic custody” of kids like women are, you don’t have to be the “provider” and can stay home now if you want to, you can have sex outside of wedlock (and women can too so it’s easier to get laid these days, and yet…..

…..You still aren’t happy. You STILL want to believe that women “need” you for your resources. There are plenty of women who are just like me and have no cause/need to want to “trick” a man out of his resources, trick the government, or trick an employer into GIVING us things we do not deserve.”

If you can’t tell, many of us enjoy ourselves around here quite a bit. I sure do. Thank you feminist, for shooting yourself in the foot so well. Thank you for providing me with a beautiful, neurotic wife who is the financial backbone of my house, so I can pursue an art career with out worrying about appealing to the ignorant masses, all the while perfecting my stats on Modern Warfare II. You act like we don’t realize we benifited from the deal, we’re just sick of all the bitching women continue to do. You wouldn’t know anything about that, would you? God help your son. I’d keep my mouth shut around him if I were you.

“You picked a bad woman. You chose to get married. No one forced you. None of those things make you a “victim” of anything at all. There is no victim in a marriage 99% of the time because unless you live in a nation where you are FORCED to get married to a certain person….

….then it is no one’s fault but your own. Admit you fucked up, picked a bad woman, and that she “tricked” you. That’s being a man. This pussy-bitch crying about how all women are evil and the world is against you is an argument that just makes men as gender look even more weak than they actually are.

Don’t blame Feminism that you picked a “bitch” to marry.”

Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice…not likely. But thanks for the advice, even if it is redundant. Where were you 20 years ago? Hell, you could have saved Globalman a lot of effort.

“As for the rest of you, your argument about “American Women” is the equivalent of the ugly nerd in school saying “I didn’t want to have sex with the hot, popular cheerleader ANYWAY!!!!!”

And stomping off to find a less hot, less intelligent, less “hard to get” woman.”

OOh, a fast ball shamer! I was the ugly nerd. I still fucked the hot cheerleaders (eventually, they really shouldn’t drink so much), they just wouldn’t date me. I don’t really see your point. I can’t help it that women are drawn to animal magnetism instead of a high IQ. Sorry I live in the 21st century, while women live in the 21 BC apparently. I don’t see why my resentment is anymore unjustified than your unbridled hatred and rage. At least I focus it on a political movement that empowers women to make stupid choices, act like an entitled whore, and still feel empowered by it all (just like you), instead of smart ones, like tying down a catch like me before I could figure out the system is rigged. But thanks for making me wait until the meatheads couldn’t cut it in the real world. God, some off them really are foundering around today, and so many of those cheerleaders are already fat. So the hot cheerleaders just emboldened me to secure an even sweeter deal in life (see above). And man, I wish I could post a pick of my wife. She looks likes a highschool cheerleader, and lets me do very, very mean things to her. So to summarize, that sexual resentment became sexual fuel. Big deal. When I cum, its just that much more satisfying. And that same resentment, it makes it almost as satisfying when I smash in your weak female logic. Tingly almost. Giggidy.

“As for Amanda, herself…..she’s the kind of woman that I’d take out for drinks and discuss her methods.

She takes what she wants and makes no apologies for it. I’ll trust a person like that anyday over a person who is full of false “kindness & sunshine”.”

Your emotions make you sloppy. I don’t even need to reply to this one, but thanks for the underhanded pitch with the big ole’ ball. Its just not my style, so I think I’ll take the next one. Strike one for me.

Women created me. You make me stronger. By the end of all this little back and forth, I may be fucking super-human, so by all means…. please continue….please further embolden your enemy.

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Jabherwochie December 7, 2009 at 11:51

” Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 11:34 am

Jabher–

I don’t even know what the hell you are talking about, so please direct your weird and random comments elsewhere unless they actually make sense.”

No one has ever, ever claimed I don’t make sense. Epic fail.

@Steezer-

I understand, but I enjoy this. All Lady Shame has to say is four little magic words…you remember them Lady Flame? MMmmmph, fmfmmph, something, something….I can make it stop anytime. Ultimately, you’re the one in control. Just say the safety words.

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Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 12:06

Jaber–

Seriously, everything you just posted doesn’t even PERTAIN to me so that is why I say “Could you please at least make it make sense?”

Yes, I’m sure someday my son will just HATE me for taking him away from a drunken abusive loser. I’m sure he’ll HATE me for his well-off family, 5 bedroom home, and quiet neighborhood where we don’t even HAVE crime.

Or maybe he will hate me for his superior education at an expensive Prep School??? You’re right….he’ll meet the Irish Piece of Shit one day and say “Oh, shit! Look what I’ve been missing all these years!”

There is nothing for my child to “figure out someday”. His father laid his hands on me a total of 2 times. Both times while I was pregnant with his son. The first time I allowed him to seek therapy and gave him a chance. The second time, I packed my son and my things that night and left him. That was 6 years ago and I’ve never spoken to him or heard from him since. I don’t even know if he’s alive or dead and I don’t care.

I made an intelligent choice as a parent and you can call my kid names, call me names, and call women everywhere names ALLLL day but that doesn’t change the fact that its really ISN’T any more “sinister” than that.

I’m not a “victim” of my ex. I made a bad choice. He “tricked” me into thinking he was a good man. That’s MY fault. That is why I made my amends long ago by cutting all ties to him (including any support payments I could have gotten). And never made that sort of mistake again. I have never allowed a man to “babysit” my son, live in my home, or even know my “finances” and personal stuff since that day 7 years ago.

I can admit my mistake in being with a drunken asshole in the first place, but my being “okay” with that mistake has nothing to do with Feminism, GrrrlPower, or proving something to the world.

The moment I gave birth, I gave up all rights to what “Wendy wants and needs”. That is what a parent is supposed to do. I do not want an award (as you say) for raising my son and having my own income that I work for. That is what ANY responsible adult SHOULD do.

I am simply pointing out that there are plenty of women in this world who KNOW that it is their job to raise their children AND provide income for them in the most honest way possible. And for me personally, that means having a job, furthering my career, but making sure that I have an equal amount of time to be involved in my child’s life, upbringing, and schooling. There is no shame in being a “homemaker” but there is also no shame in being a “career mom”.

There IS shame in “taking” things that are not yours. I don’t believe in “unjust” Alimony (and like I said we don’t have Alimony here in the state of PA) and I don’t believe in women “raping” men for unjust amount of child support.

You can crucify me in words as much as you want to, but you won’t “hurt me” with words and insults and accusations that don’t even PERTAIN to my lifestyle or my system of beliefs.

I realize, though that if you were to believe even ONE word that I say…..that would make your ridiculous stereotypes sound even more stupid and lacking in validity than they already do.

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Laura December 7, 2009 at 15:55

Zeta: Then again, you probably are. Are you divorced and a recipient of the children, alimony, and/or “child support”? Have you attained a job position because of your sex (”women and minorities strongly urged to apply”)? How about receiving cash for college that would not be extended to men (there is literally tens of billions available only to females, despite being 60% of college graduates)? Have you skipped out on jail for doing a crime that would land a main in the can (”pussy pass”)? Have you ever abused the legal system against a man whom you disliked or from whom you wanted something (false rape claim, false charge of domestic abuse, especially to gain the upper hand in divorce)?

Just for the record, I can answer NO to all of the above questions. Sorry if that disappoints you.

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UgSlayer December 7, 2009 at 21:10

Lady Raine, stop trying to impress people on the internet. Trying to prove how successful and different you are comes off as insecure. It’s pathetic.

PS:The reason you don’t collect child support is because a drunken deadbeat dumped his load into your cunt.

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UgSlayer December 7, 2009 at 21:17

Answer me something: Why do you troll men’s websites, read comments, write long-winded comments?

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zed December 7, 2009 at 21:22

Just for the record, I can answer NO to all of the above questions. Sorry if that disappoints you.

And, just for the record, I’m 9 feet tall and a stunning shade of chartreuse.

People can say anything they want to – particularly on the internet – and it need have absolutely nothing to do with the truth. You may actually be as you claim to be, but you live in a climate where those things are true of a great many women and none of them would likely be honest about it. The more you deny it, the more you look like you have something to hide.

The freeloaders and the thieves have ruined the reputation of all women. Getting hostile isn’t going to change that. In fact, it is more likely to convince people that it is true and you are lying about it than the opposite.

Welcome to post-feminist utopia where no woman can expect anyone to believe that she actually accomplished anything on her own merits.

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Best thing about this thread... December 8, 2009 at 15:50

The best thing about the comments on this article is that whiteknighting has become a dirty word, as it should be.

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Lady Raine December 8, 2009 at 16:00

Answer me something: Why do you troll men’s websites, read comments, write long-winded comments?

Let me ask YOU something. Why do you magically appear within seconds of my comments whether on the blogs of others….or my own????

*For a serious, answer though….when I get a lot of new commentors or new readers and it’s enough of them to take note….I follow the link that they came from. And Voila! Here I am to stir the pot as usual. *

And for the record, I actually read Chuck Ross pretty regularly…..it’s only natural to end up here.

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Lady Raine December 8, 2009 at 16:10

Lady Raine, stop trying to impress people on the internet. Trying to prove how successful and different you are comes off as insecure. It’s pathetic.

PS:The reason you don’t collect child support is because a drunken deadbeat dumped his load into your cunt.

For once, I’m going to answer you seriously and not in a sarcastic, cunty manner.

It’s sad that the fact that I have a job and support my kid alone is enough for you to think “I’m trying to impress people” Think of what a sad state of affairs that statement in itself is (and I don’t mean just against men….I mean against ALL people).

No, I’m not unique, special, or different from any other responsible adult. Adults should have a job, pay for their own stuff, pay for their kids, raise them, try to contribute to society in a beneficial way, and die.

I’m not trying to do something “special” it’s just that I really DO value my freedom and I suppose in the way that you men call women “money vampires”….I sort of feel the same about men.

I don’t “hate” men. I’m a rather solitary person by nature. I don’t like “women-friends”….I don’t like LTR’s…..I don’t even like people who aren’t related to me VISITING my home. It’s not that I’m trying to fling my ovaries around and show how independent I am, it’s just that I can’t very well want freedom from co-dependence on other humans and then turn around and take child support or welfare or whatever the case.

No one should be “impressed” by an adult who is doing what an adult is SUPPOSED to do.

(As for the “deadbeat” comment about my ex, I cannot honestly say whether he’s a deadbeat or not because I never attempted to get any child support from him. If I had done that, then I’d have also had to admit that he was the paternal father (legally, I mean)….and therefore give him “visitation rights” to my son. My son’s safety FAR outweighs a little extra cash each month.)

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Welmer December 8, 2009 at 16:25

For once, I’m going to answer you seriously and not in a sarcastic, cunty manner.

-LR

It would be nice if you tried to do that consistently. A number of readers aren’t too happy with your comments here, and you know I don’t want to alienate my readers, so I’d appreciate it if you would try to be reasonable and refrain from sarcasm and insults. Abrasive comment threads aren’t something I can afford to tolerate for very long.

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Sean_MacCloud December 8, 2009 at 20:21

I’ve read more than half down…

You’re all a bunch a gits.

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Sean_MacCloud December 8, 2009 at 20:25

Sterilize everybody with an IQ below 120 and most problems can then begin to be solved…

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Sean_MacCloud December 8, 2009 at 20:47

You have low IQs. That is the problem. Men are the problem. (I just don’t like when people talk: it just offends me.)

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AMenWalkingAway December 9, 2009 at 18:10

« it appears that even American women can grow into soulful human beings.»
Nothing more than a maskarade done by lawers to manipulate and abuse fool. North-American women are assholes (period) Never forget that my freind or you will pay a very very high price for it.

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by_the_sword December 11, 2009 at 11:44

Lady Raine December 7, 2009 at 10:59 am
As for Amanda, herself…..she’s the kind of woman that I’d take out for drinks and discuss her methods.

She takes what she wants and makes no apologies for it. I’ll trust a person like that anyday over a person who is full of false “kindness & sunshine”.

She’d probably slit your throat too.

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snap December 12, 2009 at 16:55

American women don’t -seem- like monsters, they demonstrate consistently that they ARE monsters.

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snap December 12, 2009 at 17:03

What the author also fails to see is that regardless of whether she’s innocent or not, she did not “transform” by virtue of her innocence. Her “transformation” was nothing more than a superficial survival tactic.

This author is given to believing lies, and his own confirmation bias is evident throughout his writing.

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Craig December 18, 2009 at 22:33

Welner wrote:

“Finally, the transformation of Amanda Knox from slutty, irresponsible, co-ed dimwit to poised, capable defendant in the two years she has been in prison has been nothing short of amazing.”

Well, I don’t know. I think it’s a bit premature to praise her on the basis of just one photo where she doesn’t look like a retard. Looking halfway respectable for the cameras isn’t really a difficult task, even for a slutty dipshit like Knox.

It’s a little too early to tell IMO whether there has been a “transformation.” The real test is how she conducts her life as a free woman, her personality, her attitude towards men and life generally. Perhaps after she is released from prison years from now, we will know better whether she has in fact transformed.

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John March 5, 2010 at 11:29

This case is a farce. The Italian prosecutors were given carte blanche to make up wild stories of how Amanda and her boyfriend got involved in some wild Satanic ritual to murder Meredith and the anti-Americanism (fueled by Bush’s presidency) help to fuel the “get the American girl” fanaticism behind their wild concocted stories if what actuslly happened. Having watched the programs dedicated to the case (I live in Rome) leaves me with nothing but disgust.

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Stallywood March 7, 2010 at 09:20

Having both lived in and visited Europe during my 20 years in the Navy
I think I can say with confidence that the reputation of AW in that country is terrible. Its not just that they have sex, its also the way they carry themselves and act. No self-respect.
Sure European women can be\are open about sex (as compared to AW anyways) but generally, at least the ones I knew, were NOT skanks. Not to say I never heard of skanky behavior by European women, but most of them were self respecting women who did not feel guilty or uptight about having sex. So for anyone to claim that EW have just as much sex, and are very promiscuous as AW is a bullsh** argument. Comparing apples and oranges.
For instance, when I lived in Spain, the AW called the Spanish women sluts and whores, because they dressed well\sexy, and all the American Men liked them. The truth was however, that the Spanish women reveled in being women, dressed as such, and were 10 times more attractive. In short the AW were jealous.
I never in all my time met a EW lush. But I met many an AW lush. I can remember hanging out with some of the Spanish women I knew at a pub. They had nothing good to say about the AW that were drunk and talking loud and being well, normal Ameriskanks.
So any AW that claims that EW are no different than Ameriskanks, has no credibility with me.
Last but not least, in my experiences, the American Man on the other hand is very much liked overseas. Just don’t be an ugly American.

Stally

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Stallywood March 7, 2010 at 09:25

As far as Knox goes, I do not know one way or the other if she is guilty or not, and I sure as hell don’t make judgements according to how her Eyes look in a photo. Being a slut does not make her guilty of murder.
I hate to think that she is innocent just as I hate to see any innocent people imprisoned.

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Stallywood March 7, 2010 at 09:36

I forgot, the most important. Many AW think their sh** doesn’t stink, and that their pussies are made of gold. You kiss their ass, or no pussy for you is how they hold a lot of weak men in line. You get used to putting up with their crap over the years, especially the better looking ones. Well over in Europe, these same women are basically worthless, and no one puts up with their bullshit, and so they are out of place. The AW that reveled in turning me down with a “dont you wish” attitude, overseas, is at the bottom of hierarchy. A 7 Amerskank might not give you the time of day, but in Europe you might have 8s and above chasing you. And its not always because your an American (and they want a green card Bullshit)…as many of them do not even want to leave their country. (Norway, Sweden, even some Spanish)
I love EW.
Stally

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Harry Rag March 9, 2010 at 10:26

The evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is overwhelming.

Amanda Knox’s DNA was found on:

1. On the double DNA knife and a number of independent forensic experts – Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, Dr. Renato Biondo and Professor Francesca Torricelli – categorically stated that Meredith’s DNA was on the blade.

2. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the ledge of the basin.

3. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the bidet.

4. Mixed with Meredith blood on a box of Q Tip cotton swabs.

5. Mixed with Meredith’s blood in the hallway.

6. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the floor of Filomena’s room, where the break-in was staged.

7. On Meredith’s bra according to Dr. Stefanoni AND Raffaele Sollecito’s forensic expert, Professor Vinci.

Amanda Knox’s footprints were found set in Meredith’s blood in two places in the hallway of the new wing of the cottage. One print was exiting her own room, and one print was outside Meredith’s room, facing into the room. These bloody footprints were only revealed under luminol.

A woman’s bloody shoeprint, which matched Amanda Knox’s foot size, was found on a pillow under Meredith’s body. The bloody shoeprint was incompatible with Meredith’s shoe size.

Two independent imprint experts categorically excluded the possibility that the bloody footprint on the blue bathmat could belong to Rudy Guede. Lorenzo Rinaldi stated:

“You can see clearly that this bloody footprint on the rug does not belong to Mr. Guede, but you can see that it is compatible with Sollecito.”

The other imprint expert print expert testified that the bloody footprint on the blue bathmat matched the precise characteristics of Sollecito’s foot.

An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito’s DNA was found on Meredith’s bra clasp. Meredith’s bra was removed some time after she had been killed and Rudy Guede had fled the scene.

The murder dynamic implicates Knox and Sollecito.

Barbie Nadeau wrote the following:

“Countless forensic experts, including those who performed the autopsies on Kercher’s body, have testified that more than one person killed her based on the size and location of her injuries and the fact that she didn’t fight back—no hair or skin was found under her fingernails.”

Judge Paolo Micheli claimed that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito knew precise details about Meredith’s murder that they could have only known if they were present when she was killed.

Amanda Knox voluntarily admitted that she involved in Meredith’s murder in her handwritten note to the police on 6 November 2007. She stated on at least four separate occasions that she was at the cottage when Meredith was killed. She also claimed that Sollecito was at the cottage.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito both gave multiple conflicting alibis and lied repeatedly. Their lies were exposed by telephone and computer records, and by CCTV footage. Neither Knox nor Sollecito have credible alibis for the night of the murder despite three attempt each. At the trial, Sollecito refused to corroborate Knox’s alibi that she was at his apartment.

Legal expert Stefano Maffei stated the following:

“There were 19 judges who looked at the evidence over the course of two years, faced with decisions on pre-trial detention, review of such detention, committal to trial, judgment on criminal responsibility. They all agreed, at all times, that the evidence was overwhelming.”

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Harry Rag September 10, 2010 at 08:09

The English translation of the Massei report can be downloaded from here:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=53735

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Colin MacLeod February 15, 2011 at 10:52

You clearly know nothing about feminism, women, and the roles of women in American society. Your ignorance is astounding and your claims made from egregious assumptions about other people. You clearly hate women. You say you don’t believe Knox committed this crime yet you do not know her; you are only familiar with a university she attended and a town she lived in. So some one who attended that college and lived in Seattle cannot possible be a murdered? Be swayed to act criminally by a romantic partner or friends? Please do the world a favor and stop spreading these ridiculous delusions.

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wake up February 15, 2011 at 18:44

Welmer:
I like your point, but its hard to agree on it.. What is your reference to the fact that you said innocent people makes story and talks weird things where as criminals keep their mouth shut ! well U suppose its other way round. The real problem in this case is that we Americans sitting over here can’t buy to the fact that some low profile drug inflicted country will punish our peoples over there! I can assure you that had the victim in this case not been from UK(an US allay), Amanda would have been freed by now. Had she been from Srilanka, India or even some Asian country or Cuba, the case would have been over. The real problem came when the victim’s country is also politically powerful! and hence the consequences are different. Amanda has screwed her own fate.. accusing innocent peoples first for this murder and over her men-loving loose character. Its shame that someone funded by parents hard earned money , studying abroad will find ways to drink pot, take weed and enjoy sexual lust instead of concentrating on the mission she came to.. STUDY. Atleast her case will be a deterrent to would-be womens/men who just exist to waste their parents earnings into idiotic activities. Its a shame anyway.

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Jack February 19, 2011 at 23:56

When did your opinions become facts? I don’t know if this girl is guilty or not, but when you blame African man, aren’t you just doing the same thing you’re claiming the Itallian’s to be doing with Miss Knox. Which is demonizing her based on stereotypes. You provide no real basis for this claim in your piece other than this what you think this happend. Maybe the lesson is people should not decide someones guilt or innocent based on how they feel about a paticular person or their culture, but actual factual evidence. The only thing shocking about this is its pretty white American female oversees. If it was a wrongfully convicted minority in the united states, their would be a lot less coverage of this issue.

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Doug Johnson February 22, 2011 at 10:37

I’m an author from Seattle. . .who has lived in many cities.

Just want to say that the condition you describe. . .of female entitlement, applies more to Seattle than most places.

Seattle is a Northern town with lots of geeky programmers.. .and weather that chases away sun seeking beauties.

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Red Sawyer July 26, 2011 at 13:28

Amanda Knox should pay a price for being a wreckless drug addicted whore. She should be shamed. It’s not about american women. It’s about women period. There are way too many unashamed whores out there. Jail is too good for how she used what god gave her.

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Anonymous June 13, 2013 at 11:06

I don’t understand what being American has to do with this? Go anywhere in the world and you will see college people (men and women) abusing their new-found freedom with folly; likewise, you will also find dedicated, hard working people that will be key figures in the future. Such ill-founded generalizations aid nothing in the persuasion process. It just makes the author look like a bigot.

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