Welmer, it may have been tangential to the topic but your comment regarding the cultural impact of homosexuals was epic in its insight, and very on-point. Your post was worth whole reams of paper and pixels of discussion on this topic.

That the masculinity movement should harness the creative energy of gay men (a creative energy that may result from the innate tension of being a homosexual male) is an inspiring idea.

I am a homosexual man and I give you great credit for voicing your insights on this subject to your fellow straight men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimber_James

kinda hard to tell he is a dude blowing you until she tells you it’s her turn.

http://conservativeinthecloset.blogspot.com/2009/02/ontario-human-right-to-hang-in-womens.html

A guy, dressed as a chick walks into a health club to get a membership in the women’s-only part of the club. Just before signing the contract, he says to the owner, hey-I’m a dude! I’m planning to be a chick, but I still have my equipment. Club owner says-I think my female patrons would have a problem with that (YA THINK?), checks with police and OHRC but eventually gets sucked into black hole mind-numbing, expensive, process-is-the-punishment Orwellian vortex of OHRC hell.

Go for Human Rights blind to gender and sexuality and break away from these constructs which are really only inventions of the later half of the Modern Era. They have absolutely no Historical strength.

Just because it’s what you were raised with doesn’t mean that it has any tested strength. It was grandfathered into you life but it is not permanent. We as Humans are nurtured by the current world we live in which makes it hard to see the world according to the greater timeline of civilization prior to our birth. Fact is, all of these Gender and Sexuality Constructs are very new and untested by time. Let go of them.

The big picture Macro-Perspective is harder to fight for but philosophically more in tuned with our goals than this Micro-Perspective social ordering.

Basically, it’s a sinking ship and our 30 something+ generation is seeing the last of this Twentieth Century Liberal Gender Culture.

Many people of younger generations, Men and Women, Homo, Hetero and Bisexual are moving away from this damned culture. Additionally, the ever growing acronym “GLBTIA” is losing it’s validity on it’s own. We don’t need to bicker, ponder or debate it. Lets be proactive and just abandon it for christ’s sake! After all, the only people who really give a damn are those who it concerns. If you’re not Gay or a part of this GLBTI mess then work towards your own goal. Don’t festishise the fight for Manhood by rebelling against Feminism. It’s counterproductive because rebellions are always intrinsically connected to the thing they are rebelling against!

Leave the fight, take your land and strengthen yourself!
We’ve rejected “Gay” now lets just walk away and let them sort their crap out on their own. Engaging in this just makes us seem like rebels within a Liberal framework.

A Transsexual committed suicide. People have problems, let them deal with it. Expecting to change “the system” or being upset with “the system” is blah…Marxist in it’s very notion. Hell, be a Homo or Bisexual and identify as Straight! Honestly, I’m all for that!

Change people’s notions and force people to see that Gay and Straight are modernist sociopolitical designs – NOT SEXUALITIES!

From what I can tell, these persons don’t really seem to want to be Men.

Many of them seem to me to be far more interested in being Bisexual Fags.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that, too. A lot of lesbians want to be fags, I’ve noticed. I guess the FTMs are pissed that they can’t be “bears” without ‘roids.

The FTM phenomenon, as far as I can tell, is way more of a political, ideological and fashionable thing than the MTF thing. MTFs are seriously fucked in the head, but sincere. FTMs seem a lot less sincere, and a lot more interested in making a feminist point, a la Norah Vincent (fake FTM), Pat Califia, Thomas Beatie.

I don’t hang out downtown in Portland a lot, so I don’t see a lot of that, and I try to keep my “homo”-related posts to a minimum on the Spearhead, but I’m sure a news item will catch me in a foul mood sooner or later. Maybe Chaz Bono will do something publicly gross that I will have to comment on…

Actually, Jack, as a white, apparently educated male in America you haven’t experienced anywhere near enough discrimination to comment on it with anything other than your opinion, which isn’t worth the electrons required to store them on whatever server this database resides.

YOU have NO idea what it means to be a woman, and therefore can’t claim to be one. You don’t have the experience, and your “feeling” about being one isn’t worth the electrons required to store them on whatever server this database resides.

As far as I can tell, you are also a white educated male who has created a victimized minority status for himself.

Having never experienced true institutionalized discrimination, such as the socially and religiously sanctioned proscription against sexual and gender minorities, you haven’t got a clue about what it’s like to live with that kind of pressure.

Yeah, sorry to piss in your cornflakes, but Google “Jack Donovan, Androphilia.” Fuck your fake minority high horse. I’ve been as much a “victim of discrimination” as you have.

You have no idea the strength and courage it takes to live like we do, the pain we go through.

Courage is running into a burning building to save a child, not wrestling with your own inner demons. This Oprah-esque statement is the best proof that you really are part woman yet.

The scant scientific evidence, which you’ve over-dramatized (Galileo vs. gender studies!) because it remains…”a growing body of evidence which seems to suggest“… manages to suggest that…*drumroll please*…

Some males are less masculine than others, from birth.

NO. FUCKING. SHIT.

That in no way justifies restructuring society or the way we perceive men and women to accommodate males that are born with less masculine brain structures and more feminine brain structures. The norm is the norm, there is a wide range of variance within the norm, and the exceptions are the exceptions.

You’re a dude with a less masculine brain. This does not make you a woman, nor necessitate your dressing up or mutilating yourself.

I’ve encountered quite a few of these Boobless Bitches of late, and their harangue has grown tiresome. Their particular perspective and agenda seems to be dominating the dialogue within the various other gay camps nowadays, both Trans and “Binary”.

From what I can tell, these persons don’t really seem to want to be Men.

Many of them seem to me to be far more interested in being Bisexual Fags.

The Newspeak term which has been recently and contemptuously thrown at me the most by these persons happens to be “Gender Binary”, and I also had to google something called “Cisgendered Privilege” … which I’d never heard of.

Good thing I’ve been made aware of it, though. Because I’m apparently gifted with it now, and have been properly shamed for exploiting it. And I’ve been told I need to apologize to those less-privileged as I, post-haste. ;P

I look forward to any words you might have on this new Queer Identity Trend.

Strange days indeed, sir …

With regard to your claim that the evidence “ISN’T there” regarding a neurological etiology, you’re so off base. There is growing body of evidence that jibes with over fifty years of psychiatrists trying to “cure” transsexual people with everything from hormone injections (for instance, testosterone injections for male-to-female transsexuals) to aversion therapy to psychoanalysis. None of these “cures” have worked, because if they had, we’d be lining up ten deep at every doctor’s office to get it. You have no idea the strength and courage it takes to live like we do, the pain we go through. Believe me, if there were another way — short of suffering or drug addiction, like I did for years, or suicide — we would go for it.

Yes, there is no conclusive *proof* of how it works in a way that would satisfy someone with as closed a mind as yours. But then, Electron Theory — in which electrical engineering and electronics is based — is still also a *theory* because nobody has ever seen an electron, much less one in motion. However, since the effects of electrons can be seen, the theory has borne out. The same holds true for gender identity and neurology. There is far more evidence and logic than you are willing to acknowledge. See the links below.

Finally, for you to couch this medical issue in liberal/feminist versus conservative terms is so overly simplistic and dogmatic, it makes me think that if you even bother to research these links at all, you’ll brush them off as more “liberal” propaganda. Of course Copernicus, Galileo and Newton were also branded as heretics, etc. back in their time. But even you “conservatives” accept them now, don’t you? I’d loved to have heard what you had to say about those enlightened thinkers five hundred years ago.

http://tinyurl.com/65fbdx – brain development
http://tinyurl.com/6awncv – hormones & gender
http://tinyurl.com/64t6gl – brain sex
http://tinyurl.com/transsexualgene – new genetic study