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		<title>By: Expatriate</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/11/22/the-light-of-truth-of-paternity-testing/#comment-13331</link>
		<dc:creator>Expatriate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example:

http://www.child-support-laws-state-by-state.com/forced-to-pay-arkansas-child-support-though-im-not-the-father.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.child-support-laws-state-by-state.com/forced-to-pay-arkansas-child-support-though-im-not-the-father.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.child-support-laws-state-by-state.com/forced-to-pay-arkansas-child-support-though-im-not-the-father.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Expatriate</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/11/22/the-light-of-truth-of-paternity-testing/#comment-13327</link>
		<dc:creator>Expatriate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this too:

http://www.child-support-laws-state-by-state.com/forced-to-pay-arkansas-child-support-though-im-not-the-father.html

Nice &quot;equality&quot; there eh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this too:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.child-support-laws-state-by-state.com/forced-to-pay-arkansas-child-support-though-im-not-the-father.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.child-support-laws-state-by-state.com/forced-to-pay-arkansas-child-support-though-im-not-the-father.html</a></p>
<p>Nice &#8220;equality&#8221; there eh!</p>
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		<title>By: Expatriate</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/11/22/the-light-of-truth-of-paternity-testing/#comment-13324</link>
		<dc:creator>Expatriate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out these:

http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=1152816

http://www.ejfi.org/family/family-83.htm 

This is your reward for being cannon fodder for the matriarchy men.

Most women will never understand what the above means to a man until they are personally put through something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out these:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=1152816" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=1152816</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ejfi.org/family/family-83.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ejfi.org/family/family-83.htm</a> </p>
<p>This is your reward for being cannon fodder for the matriarchy men.</p>
<p>Most women will never understand what the above means to a man until they are personally put through something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: sabril</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/11/22/the-light-of-truth-of-paternity-testing/#comment-12045</link>
		<dc:creator>sabril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most places won’t allow men to do it without the consent of the birth mother. &quot;

In the US, it&#039;s legal just about everywhere.  And even in jurisdictions where it is illegal, it&#039;s easy enough to drive across the state line, pick up a test kit in a drug store, and get your test results over the internet.

Of course, the other problem is that in many jurisdictions a husband is still on the hook for child support.  Like other people here, if that happened to me I would probably just move off the grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most places won’t allow men to do it without the consent of the birth mother. &#8221;</p>
<p>In the US, it&#8217;s legal just about everywhere.  And even in jurisdictions where it is illegal, it&#8217;s easy enough to drive across the state line, pick up a test kit in a drug store, and get your test results over the internet.</p>
<p>Of course, the other problem is that in many jurisdictions a husband is still on the hook for child support.  Like other people here, if that happened to me I would probably just move off the grid.</p>
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		<title>By: nilk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I read a while back, don’t remember if it was a botched abortion where the baby survived, or whether it was a hysterectomy done wrong, but a doctor was successfully sued for child support because of his malpractice. So, the concept is already kind of out there.&lt;/i&gt;

It was here in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s904490.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Australia,&lt;/a&gt; fedrz. 

The country where &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=Xcx&amp;q=lesbian+sue+doctor+ivf&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lesbians who get an extra embryo&lt;/a&gt; with ivf sue the doctor because they get two for teh price of one, and it puts  a strain on their lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I read a while back, don’t remember if it was a botched abortion where the baby survived, or whether it was a hysterectomy done wrong, but a doctor was successfully sued for child support because of his malpractice. So, the concept is already kind of out there.</i></p>
<p>It was here in <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s904490.htm" rel="nofollow">Australia,</a> fedrz. </p>
<p>The country where <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=Xcx&amp;q=lesbian+sue+doctor+ivf&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" rel="nofollow">lesbians who get an extra embryo</a> with ivf sue the doctor because they get two for teh price of one, and it puts  a strain on their lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabherwochie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabherwochie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harrytoo-

&quot;Hate to start out on this site looking like I want a verbal punch up, because I don’t. ‘d have to say this statement was somewhat incorrect in my experience. &quot;

I agree, it was an overstatement on my part.  It deserves some deconstruction.   No punching needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harrytoo-</p>
<p>&#8220;Hate to start out on this site looking like I want a verbal punch up, because I don’t. ‘d have to say this statement was somewhat incorrect in my experience. &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, it was an overstatement on my part.  It deserves some deconstruction.   No punching needed.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for legislating away patient&#039;s privacy right, consider the monstrosity that is HIPPA.   Unlikely that pt. privacy rights will be ceded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for legislating away patient&#8217;s privacy right, consider the monstrosity that is HIPPA.   Unlikely that pt. privacy rights will be ceded.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Epoxy,
as I previously stated, &lt;i&gt;the duty to patient privacy has only been violated in the context of credible threats of homicidal behavior from psychiatric patients.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Epoxy,<br />
as I previously stated, <i>the duty to patient privacy has only been violated in the context of credible threats of homicidal behavior from psychiatric patients.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Epoxytocin No. 87</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epoxytocin No. 87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jz:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Since the physician-patient relationship is a professional (and not a personal ) relationship, the duty applies only to information about the patient’s medical condition and treatment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice try, but, no.  This &quot;relationship&quot; is far from absolute.

When there is proximate harm, most jurisdictions have rules in place REQUIRING (not just allowing) the professional to inform 3rd parties of the imminent harm.  For instance, if a patient makes or implies threats against someone, the professional is &lt;i&gt;compelled&lt;/i&gt; to alert the appropriate third parties.

The precedent was set by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adoctorm.com/docs/tarasoff.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Tarasoff v. Regents of the University of California&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

Note that this case EXPLICITLY destroyed the absolute nature of the notion that &quot;a doctor had a duty to a patient, but not to a
third party&quot;.  Sorry jz.

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By the way, guys, fedrz is right: &lt;b&gt;The best way to advance the cause of paternity testing, and/or notification of putative fathers if &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; tests show nonpaternity, is to treat notification as this sort of protective &lt;i&gt;Tarasoff&lt;/i&gt; duty.&lt;/b&gt;  Sue the living shit out of them, for every related penny of actual, opportunity, or emotional-distress costs, until they wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jz:</p>
<blockquote><p>Since the physician-patient relationship is a professional (and not a personal ) relationship, the duty applies only to information about the patient’s medical condition and treatment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice try, but, no.  This &#8220;relationship&#8221; is far from absolute.</p>
<p>When there is proximate harm, most jurisdictions have rules in place REQUIRING (not just allowing) the professional to inform 3rd parties of the imminent harm.  For instance, if a patient makes or implies threats against someone, the professional is <i>compelled</i> to alert the appropriate third parties.</p>
<p>The precedent was set by <a href="http://www.adoctorm.com/docs/tarasoff.htm" rel="nofollow"><i>Tarasoff v. Regents of the University of California</i></a>.</p>
<p>Note that this case EXPLICITLY destroyed the absolute nature of the notion that &#8220;a doctor had a duty to a patient, but not to a<br />
third party&#8221;.  Sorry jz.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>By the way, guys, fedrz is right: <b>The best way to advance the cause of paternity testing, and/or notification of putative fathers if <i>other</i> tests show nonpaternity, is to treat notification as this sort of protective <i>Tarasoff</i> duty.</b>  Sue the living shit out of them, for every related penny of actual, opportunity, or emotional-distress costs, until they wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Black&#38;German</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black&#38;German</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harrytoo,

Parasite : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return.

I am not a parasite; we have a covenant. He provides the shelter, I clean it. He provides protection, I bear the children. He provides the food, I cook it. He buys the clothes, I wash them. He provides the money, I manage the finances. He built the bed, I share it with him *ahem*. Etc.

The other women are true parasites as they do nothing for him other than take his money. I don&#039;t know how you can even compare the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrytoo,</p>
<p>Parasite : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return.</p>
<p>I am not a parasite; we have a covenant. He provides the shelter, I clean it. He provides protection, I bear the children. He provides the food, I cook it. He buys the clothes, I wash them. He provides the money, I manage the finances. He built the bed, I share it with him *ahem*. Etc.</p>
<p>The other women are true parasites as they do nothing for him other than take his money. I don&#8217;t know how you can even compare the two.</p>
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