Conversation with women is very hard work if you are a niceguy- but they can be quite a lot of fun if they see you as a sexual being.

Game simply makes my encounters with women slightly more pleasant than they would otherwise be. I think it brightens their day a little too. Where is the harm?

That’s right.

Game is essential for ANY relationship with women, whether a monogamous marriage or a string of short-termers.

ame is all about aping the behavior of guys who are just naturally good with women

No, game is about understanding how women think and how they emotionally react, so that you can interact with them better. Aping other successful behaviors is only a first (not especially good) step towards learning the psychology of game.

I like the idea of young men having older men teaching them from experience about mixing with young females and vice versa. Especially since some of the young men and women we come across don’t have the healthy male and/or female role models.

Thank-you for sharing so well.

on paragraphs 3 and 4:
The idea that you care about women being into it for you is a real contradiction since game is all about aping the behavior of guys who are just naturally good with women. Nobody is arguing against free democracy or free association. The USA had that long before game. I’m not saying game should be banned. I could already get a mail order bride or something very close to it. I see no reason why the laws against prostitution can’t be repealed. Prostitution is legal in some western countries and in parts of this one.

on 5:
Should I be arguing with people I agree with?

This is my first time having a go at this topic and I’ve had a pretty good time. I think I got a little look into the heads of a few members of the “game” community. There doesn’t seem to be much in them.

Good night…& good luck.

The Obsidian

In India, much of Africa and in Middle East and much of Asia, arranged marriages are very common, and I would suggest that route for any guy who thinks like yourself. There’s no point in arguing with guys like you because the simple fact is there are guys who either don’t have the skills or don’t have the desire to play the Game of Love. That’s perfectly OK-I for one, think there should be options for guys like you. That’s why I support both legalized prostitution and IMBRA, for Men who think as you do.

Having said all that though, I like living in a Free Democracy, where the Right to Freedom of Association reigns supreme. I like being able to win the Women of my desires, because she’s into me, for me. I like the chase, and the sweet smell-and feel, heh heh-of success. And in this kind of environment, not many Women will form a line wanting to sign on for arranged marriages.

So, there you go. Don’t know much else to tell ya, Jon. We’re not going back, neither Women, nor Men, like me, want that. We want to be free to deal with whom we want, and that means, like everything else in a Free Democracy, that one has to take personal responsibility for their own happiness or the lack thereof. But for Men like you, I suggest expatting outta here to the East my brother, to the East. And things will be so much simpler for you. Because though I support prostitution and mail order brides, the harsh truth is ain’t either gonna happen here anytime soon. So, again, I don’t know what else to tell ya.

What I will say is, since it’s clear that you don’t agree with what’s being said, how about this great idea-how about you take your precious time and spend it on more productive pursuits than basically arguing with folk whom you couldn’t be more diametrically opposed to? In a Free Democracy like the USA, the Game, is the Game. And it. Won’t. Stop.

I know you don’t wanna hear it, but what the heck:

Don’t hate the Playas; hate the Game…

The Obsidian

The current state of affairs where a high percentage of guys and gals devote a lot of time and energy to endless, pointless sex and all the silly games that go along with it is something that can only happen in a wealthy nation that is on it’s way to being poor. The current mating game is extremely self-indulgent and wasteful. I’m sure if a close look was taken at nations that maybe aren’t wealthy now but are in the process of becoming so, you’d find that this sort thing is frowned upon.

Jon, this analogy falls apart as soon as you consider that in war, the soldiers aren’t worried about their chances of convincing the enemy soldiers to fuck them. In sex, men compete with each other for available females. That is totally going to hamper their ability to cooperate with each other against their common female “enemy”.