I’d like to add a forum for women at the new bulletin board we’ve set up. Why? Because there are billions of women out there, and somehow we’ve got to make peace with them.
This is an emergent movement, and as all before it, there’s going to be some female participation. The gender wars are a farce in reality — a stupid concept cooked up by unnatural politics and strange times. Some men and women profit from them, but most of us on either side just get nailed.
If there are women out there who want to end the insanity and revive natural relations between men and women – and I know there are – they definitely have a place on The Spearhead. But first I’ll extend them the respect of asking for their opinion on how to proceed with this.
Women should have their own place, and I’d like to know how they would define that. Suggestions are appreciated.




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Shouldn’t it be the men telling the women the name of their forum?
I say this mostly because I have suggestions I want to unload.
“Bitches Brew”
LOL. Sounds like a good name for a bitter beer.
Feel free to unload.
The more creative the better to give them ideas.
The Estrogen Pool?
I think they should try and make peace with us.
Let’s get the obvious out of the way: “The Wound”
Ick, I know.
Hearthfire (hi Hestia!)
The Mortar (double entendre)
“Witches View”
“The Divorce Agenda”
“The Last Stand”
“The Naggin´Thread”
“The Pregnant Kitchenworker”
The Soulpiercing Stilletoes”
“The Harpy´s Tongue”
“The Girlie Gremlins”
Magic Aliens
Barefoot Pregnant Kitchen since that’s where all you mean bad “misogynists” want all women to be.
Triple Goddess (the maiden, the mother, the crone)
“Their Place”, because that’s where we put them in.
“I can’t hear you.”
Ratched and Clank…Oh, no, that won´t do..
I just want to know if there’s gonna be beer there. You all can have the tea.
kis, we were thinking y’all’d want Mike’s Hard Lemonade.
I’m a fan of “The Naggin’ Thread” and “Barefoot Pregnant Kitchen”, to which I will add “The Y-Lite Zone”, and “The Special Place with Unicorns and Rainbows” (as a nod to Welmer’s earlier comment).
She Ain’t What She Used to Be
“Not Like That” could be an excellent name for a trollville for the inevitable feminasty trolls that will come at some point.
(biting my tongue)
Arbitrary
“the Special Place with Unicorns and Rainbows”
ROFL !!!
I’ll second Zed’s suggetion of the estrogen pool.
All You Need Is Love
Just to get things back on track, Welmer is very serious about men and women joining forces to deal with cultural changes which are damaging to both sexes. Contrary to popular belief, most men, even MRAs, like and respect women – just not feminists.
I think he had in mind some “pleasant” sort of name. I suggested “”The Koffee Klatch, Hen and Tea Party”, but kis says she wants beer. (sheesh, just can’t please all women
)
Now, I’m going to try to establish the benchmark for the nadir of bad taste, so it can only go up from there – “Smells like fish.”
Oh, come on zed, I can totally bottom that:
“The Gash”
“I’m going to try to establish the benchmark for the nadir of bad taste”
Perhaps we should take this to the forums?
Kimski, for the feminists it would be more like “All You Love is Need” (or, more understandably “All You Love is Being Needy”).
Zed, some of these are tasteful enough to be usable:
Hearthfire
The Mortar
The Last Stand
Of course, I’m still rooting for The Y-Lite Zone.
XX without the XXX
“Here Be Dragons”
Arbitrary
Read it as if it was an order !
how about the… PMS “Princess Mentality Syndrome” forum
The point I was making is that I think Welmer had in mind that the women might name their own forum. We have some fairly cool women who hang out here and who have to take a lot of shit to do that. When I suggested to Welmer that he post a thread about naming it, I really didn’t have in mind giving some of the hardcases another opening to clobber all women, especially the ones who hang in there through a lot of farting and nut scratching.
I prefer to save my animosity for the real feminidiots.
“We have some fairly cool women who hang out here and who have to take a lot of shit to do that”
Our female regulars are far more precious than jewels.
(deleting all of the above…)
“Somewherrrrrrrrrrre, over the Rainbow”
XXanadu
That’s a good one.
zed, the men’s sphere has jumped the shark.
What the hell happened to you?
This is like looney leftist land around here.
At the risk of being a buzzkill, I’d say the best bet would be to go with a non-cutsey, generic name like The Women’s Forum or some such. Can always rename it later, right?
Although I have to admit, “XXanadu” is pretty funny.
Not so easy.
At the risk of being a buzzkill, I’d say the best bet would be to go with a non-cutsey, generic name like The Women’s Forum or some such.
I agree because I am a boring person like that.
Though my namesake would find “hearthfire” lovely if she were real and not just a lovely myth.
(Funny confession time: I chose Hestia as my e-name not only because she’s the goddess of home and hearth, but also as a joke about the “hearth fire” *over* my fireplace last Christmas Eve that made my dinner party go up in flames. “Merry Christmas, honey! You know that claim email you likely got from USAA by now? It’s real! I set the house on fire!”That unfortunate incident is now far enough in the past to be be a funny tale and not merely an embarrassing story. )
No. There are many, many other resources for what you’re describing. An occasional (or even ongoing) link to them is sufficient. Do one thing well, not many things poorly. This is for men.
many worthy n honorable mentions but i’ll go w the welmer/arbitrary duet The Special Place with Unicorns and Rainbows, sniffle, second place geek’s Here Be Dragons
time well spent!
Might I suggest “Chloe”. Firstly, at five characters, it is short, and easy to mention typographically. Second, it is a proper female name; don’t know why I like that fact, but I do. Third, it comes from the Greek χλόη (khlóē), meaning “young green shoot”. Most post-modern womanhood has become a vast weedy thicket, choking out society, and needing a thorough burn-off. If we are hoping for “green shoots” in gender relations, an auspicious name can do little harm, and perhaps some good.
Just my $0.03 (inflation adjusted).
I assume that the names for the current forum sections are based on some sort of consensus. Here are a few proposals:
“Womanly thoughts”
“The safe house”
“A better future”
“Guns quiet”
Bhetti’s place.
Ummm, ok. Something else.
Girlgame at Spearhead; Women Dissenting from Feminism
Citation for Valor to eumaios for ‘Triple Goddess’ and threadlaunch
the female salon.
Here I beat up on my gender a bit for a few laughs…..
monthly cravings
Monthly cravings
Mouth all mighty
Weaker beings
Bloodletting
3 holes for a pole
The Vagina Dialogues
Just my $0.03 (inflation adjusted).
__
impeccable logic and scholarship, really, i’m awed, but i’d only vote for this with yr explanation attached, and i dont think they can do that
and There Be Dragons…… i’m wavering, its merit is extraordinary in these hours of lean truth ……… compact, honest AND funny
lemme cogitate this awhile if at all possible?
surely important decisions ought not be rushed
I haven’t been around The Spearhead very long, but I do enjoy it and I learn so much here. If that is enough for me to participate in the women’s forum naming, may I say I love these three, and would be hard pressed to choose between them.
Their Place
Here Be Dragons
XXanadu
I like “The women’s forum” so I won’t go there on accident because I forgot what it is.
You grrls have to work it out. Give me the top 3 choices by consensus, and I will put up a poll on the forum.
How about “women’s forum” like somone suggested, OR
How about the “Bitchin’ Forum”
Or “DON’T HOLD YOUR TONGUE”
Or the “Ladies Lament” ;0)
OOOORRRR….how about just “BITCHIN”
Stick with the spearhead motif and give them “The shaft”
Or, to combine it with Hestia’s suggestion “BITCHIN in the Kitchen!”
“Trash can” is a good one.
“Suggestion box” is nice,too (really, a shredder)
But far better yet: no woman allowed is better.
I do not see the necessity to make room for women: they have their own lives, their own business. We are at war.
The gender war will never end. We will never make peace with women. Women don’t want gender peace: they think they can eliminate us now.
The struggle for power is the the ultimate goal: the war will never end. It can not end.
Power is what all humans crave for, ultimately. Power is mighty powerful, the ultimate aphrodisiac.
The gender war cannot end. It must not end.
If we are to survive.
I was going to make some suggestions, but I think this is a case where I should keep my mouth shut.
The Snake Pit
Medusa’s lair
Sleepy Hollow
The Poisoned Chalice
Pandora’s Box
The Smoking Gun
Bullshit Alley
The Crooked House
Dysfunction Junction
Shits n giggles
“march of the red army”
How funny would it be if it were just called:
“The Kitchen”
Where the women belong.
I’m still leaning toward “Smells like fish in here.” The grrls better come up with something better if they don’t want a bunch of stray cats hanging around the door.
I’ve got a few…in response to this generation of modern post-feminist women.
The Progressive House of Skankopolis
The ‘XX’ Vegan Society
Obsolete Ophelia’s Orchid
The Womb-less Woman’s World
Spinster Island
The Delilah Monologues
The Jezebel Diaries
The gender war can continue without me…I’m too busy enjoying Cannibal Corpse, Postal 2, and The Herculoids!!!
The Vagina Omnilogues (credit, tarl)
Medusa’s Mirror (credit, dead white males)
The Horror, The Horror (nod, milius and coppola)
Please Dont Go There
yes i’m aware they are lame thanks, four of chic noir’s are better
The Progressive House of Skankopolis …. it does ring
Oh no……….it got named that! Teach me to go out for a lesson in the morning:-D
MND
SYG
TBM
AM
NG
Shangri-LaDiDa
””””””’But first I’ll extend them the respect of asking for their opinion on how to proceed with this.
Women should have their own place, and I’d like to know how they would define that. Suggestions are appreciated.
””””””
This might be your first problem with woman and men. You ask the woman what to name their forum then don’t make a guys forum then just launch a regualar forum for everyone. At least your in line with how the west treats them he he he
You WILL Get Clawed
Hey Guys That’s Not Funny
Me Yow
Names:
- Submit FORUM (or ‘Submission FORUM’)
Here’s some that I like:
The Y-Lite Zone
Bitchin’ Forum
The Vagina Dialogues
Here Be Dragons
Oh, I like this one too lol:
You WILL Get Clawed
Nice one Ray
Female Pheromone
WTF? Just because I have a pussy doesn’t mean I have to drink like one. Beer please. Maybe a gin and tonic on a hot day, but you can save the girlie drinks with their pansy umbrellas and fruity garnishes for the brainless bimbettes humping Roissy’s leg.
Tastes like chicken.
Shit, Zed, if I want to do that, I’ll just stay home.
“Smells like fish in here”, huh? Well, I suppose that has a certain poetic flair.
Me, if I hadn’t been busy getting dinner on the table I might have suggested “The Pink Taco Palace”. But the name’s fine as it is.
While the others are amusing and I could ad a few of my own like:
Hair and Air (as in that’s what they have between their legs and ears)
Hen house
Vaginorium
What’s that noise bitch???
. . .
ok, that was fun – you get the idea.
Seriously though, there are gals out there that have as dim a view of feminism as men do (munts excluded). Give it a name that is respectful, but meaningful and appropriate:
The anti-feminist feminist
Anti feminist Women’s views
. . .
Hard to come up with ideas on this one as I’m biased. Though I enjoy reading women’s perspectives it is nice to have a site By Men and For Men.
I might have to run this past the ‘pink pony’ riding anti-feminist that is 15 yrs younger than me and see what she thinks.
3DShooter
I never did get this “space of their own” type stuff. What’s the point? Either they are here because they want to be part of the conversation or they don’t… What purpose would it serve? Are they “separate but equal” even in MRA-spheres?
Is there nowhere women don’t “deserve” special treatment because they’re “far more precious than jewels”?
Jeezus, really?
How does this NOT make MRA’s look like hypocritical Paternalists?
”””’Factory,
Is there nowhere women don’t “deserve” special treatment because they’re “far more precious than jewels”?””””””
Said better than me bro,
my opinion also factory, thus my sorry attempts at humor
isn’t Woman’s Special Space supposed to be the one they already share with men? leaving aside that we now live in A Woman’s Nation?
chuckly thread tho!
I don’t think of it as a “special place” we “deserve to have”. There are some issues that will pertain to women or be of interest specifically to women and having a thread devoted to that is just simple categorization–like having a forum for fatherhood issues or Game issues.
I’d hope that the men here would feel welcome to enter and comment (and even belch, fart, scratch themselves or *gasp* disagree) since I don’t believe in women’s only anything other than public dressing/bathrooms.
Plus, they can usually be counted on to bring beer.
Actually, I think women having a space to discuss relevant women’s issues is a good idea. Feminism said that men did not need their own space, and look at where that got us.
Remember, we are anti feminism, not anti woman. Thankfully, those few men that are anti woman will quickly remove themselves from the gene pool, the same way rabid feminists fail to pass on their genes.
-Heathen
Hmmm. What works for me:
Here be Dragons
Spinster Island (because I am one, after a fashion, and I’ve introduced my girl to the Herculoids lol)
My suggestion:
Where’s my beer, woman?
I don’t do girly, frilly, fluffy stuff, so Hearthfire, The Women’s Place and things like that just don’t appeal. You can find plenty of that on the tabloid sites, and this isn’t for that.
It’s a men’s site with a section over there for the other side of the chromosomal divide, and we come here knowing that.
I don’t come here for girly stuff.
/grump off – I just got back from trying to find some clothing appropriate for a 7yo girl and it’s all Bratz, Hannah Montana and My Little Pony and in pink and purple. What if I don’t want my girl to wear that crap? And the skimpy shite out there??? Grrrr.
Oh, and I don’t do tea. Or beer. I do vodka or whisky or dry white whine.
”””””’Remember, we are anti feminism, not anti woman. Thankfully, those few men that are anti woman will quickly remove themselves from the gene pool, the same way rabid feminists fail to pass on their genes.
-Heathen
”””””””””’
Roger but in making a womans space and not a mens space you show your subservience to woman.
Then want to block anyone that disagrees as woman hater lol
Come on man.
I put my woman on a pedestal because she earned it.
Ya can’t put every woman on a pedestal though or you get feminism.
I have read nothing here.
Title alone…
You’re shitting me right?
Are you subservient to your dog if you build it a doghouse?
-Heathen
Are you subservient to your dog if you build it a doghouse?
Apparently so.
LOL.
A woman’s forum on The Spearhead – Just sat it ain’t so Joe!
Not exactly. More like a place for supportive women on a men’s forum. Honestly, I think women will become some of the best anti-feminists out there, especially as more of them start to realize what a bill of goods they got sold.
This.
There are some very angry, disappointed women out there. If we are prepared to work with extremist men (reference to comments in the Kipling thread), why should we not work with sympathetic women?
-Heathen
“Because there are billions of women out there, and somehow we’ve got to make peace with them.”
I disagree. We do not need to ‘make peace’ with women. I think any such notion is complete crap. All us men need to do is do what we have always done. Assert our authority. Men TELL women what to do and to be happy about it. Period. If the woman does not like that she can go try and pander to some mangina who will ‘make peace’ with her who will be such a spineless whimp that she will soon lose all respect for him and she will soon be seeking that ‘alpha’ that gets her all wet again. I am living proof that trying to ‘make peace’ with a woman is stupid and futile. It’s like negotiating with Adolf Hitler. You do not ‘make peace’ with those who attack you unjustifably. You destroy their power base and make them your servants as punishment for not acting honourably. The only women I am now interested in are those prepared to serve my needs. Period.
Women have had more than enough opportunity to ‘make peace’. Now they can feel the could shoulder of indifference and dis-engagement. If they do not come back cap in hand begging to be our servants and insist on prosecution their war against us men might just turn nasty and retaliate. This would be very bad for women.
I was one who was told that it was somehow ‘right’ to give women a chance to be ‘equal’ and to treat them as such even though they never, ever earned that right. I have always been well aware that women were vastly inferior but hey, they want the opportunity to ’step up’ who am I to stand in their way? Well, 27 years later, I have seen how women ’step up’ to the challenge of being ‘equal’ with me in particular and men in general. They are crap at it. They whine like little children, cry at the drop of a hat, refuse to do their job, lie about everything and anything and, in general, have made a complete nuisance of themselves in communising the work force, exploding the size of ‘guvment’ and generally destroyed our society. Well done ladies.
Since women started pushing for ‘feminism’ the quality of life in the western world has fallen because feminism is code for communism which means take money from men and give it to women. They call this slavery ’social justice’ because it sounds so much better than “I am too lazy to work so I will pop out a few bastard kids I got from a guy whos name I didn’t even bother to find out so the guvment will give me money to sit on my arse and ‘raise’ kids.”
The only viable use of women is to make love with and have sex with. I find them very beautiful and very attractive. But that does not make them ‘equal’. It makes the hot ones a ‘well rounded entertainment package’ with virtually no other significant use to me personally. ‘Make peace’ with these people? Don’t make me laugh. I will treat women as vastly inferior and merely make love with and have sex with the ones I find really hot for as long as I can. The rest of them can go to hell. There is not a job in the world that a woman does that would not be better done by a man. If women wanted to be ‘equal’ then they had to ’step up’ and not merely whine and complain when anyone pointed out how lousy they were at their job. The women I deal with now are lovely. Just what I want. And there is an endless supply of them. Leave the feminised women to their cats and vibrators.
Indeed.
Conflict is a part of life, and peace is simply a lull between conflicts. To make peace some kind of end goal is to sacrifice the now for a fictional future utopia. Neville Chamberlain learned that the hard way.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
-Heathen
“why should we not work with sympathetic women”
Because they are children and the vast majority are incapable of the level of thinking of men.
Another reason that women should be banned from involvment as us men challenge and (with luck) defeat the Illuminati is that women are masters of deception and will infiltrate our ranks and destroy it from within. They are like termites or white ants. Women are expert at creating division and jealousies between men. Try checking out the men are better than women forums and look at the posts by Shushi and Chick. All they have done is troll those forums acting all ‘nice and friendly’ being attention whores and feminists and creating such a lot of crap posts that good me said f*** it and left and we created our own private mans forum no women allowed. And you know what? A forum with no women allowed AT ALL is a blessed relief.
Women are ‘better communicators’? Don’t make me laugh. My ex talked to her mother for an hour every week for 20 years. If she was such a good ‘communicator’ she would have gotten the message across. Calling women ‘better communicators’ is like calling a hummber ‘better at using petrol’. Women are crap communicators. Women are crap at everything they do except produce babies which is not to their credit because that is what they were genetically engineered to do. Men even make better parents than mothers.
We are not in a battle with women. We are in a battle with powerful men. Women are the ‘useful idiots’ being used by powerful men. Those women who wish to contribute? They can sit on de jour juries and judge and punish women who have committed crimes against men. There is no statute of limitations on perjury or kidnapping. Any woman who will jail another woman for committing perjury or kidnapping will be worth a tiny little bit of respect. We can go back through all the divorces and jail all those women who committed perjury via false allegations or kidnapped a mans children. Until women have done this I would be of the opinion they are not genuine in their willingness to live in a land governed by laws. Period. Any woman who will not sit in a de jour jury and punish women who commit crimes against men gets no respect from me. It’s up to women do decide if a crime is still a crime when committed by a woman against a man. When my ex is sitting in jail for her crimes against me I might actually listen to a womans opinion. Apart from that? Tough. Why would I be interested in a womans opinion when she condones perjury and kidnapping?
I have talked to lots of bleeding heart “I want to help women”. When I say. “Are you willing to jail a woman who commits perjury?” their so called ‘willingness to help’ immediately fades. It is all very well for them to talk about ‘being supportive of men’ but to actually punish a woman for a crime? Well, that is just going too far…;-) I mean women can’t actually be held accountable for their actions. They are children.
As for a forum for women? My vote, and I made this clear, was to ban women all together. They have a forum. The echo chamber known as feministing. So if they are given a place to talk separately here at speahead that would be great. I could refuse to go there. My opinion is that women are totally worthless in the war against the Illuminati. I am yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
-We´re going to take this place back and call it Planet Man !!
I as a parent, have a certain kind of influence over my children. The nature of this influence is very different from the influence other children have over my children. Sometimes these influences complement each other, but sometimes they are in opposition. This is why choosing a child’s peer group is an important factor in determining who they grow up to be.
The same is true of women. We men have certain influence. Other women have a different kind of influence. Some in the PUA community refer to this influence as “social proof”. If there are women out there willing to exert that influence on men’s behalf, they are welcome here.
Our goal is, or should be, to build a better society, not simply a male only society, which I can promise you will be just as unsustainable as this one.
This may be true, but why fight the Illuminati (if that is who you beleive the struggle is against) with one hand tied behind your back? If those weapons are available to us, and are being used against us, why not pick them up?
No one has proposed that there should be no forums solely for men, but that we should also provide a forum where women can post about their own views and issues. I would go so far as to suggest that you may see fewer women posting an the “men only” forums if they had somewhere to put their own comments.
You would ask women to do all that and begrudge them even a forum to call their own? Not what I would call an effective incentive program.
Yet according to your own comments, you see them as effective weapons of the so called Illuminati. Either they are useful, and we can make use of them, or they are not useful, and we need not fear them.
-Heathen
Fewer of the ones we really want to stay away, that’s for sure.
On a negative note, I recall MND’s thriving forum disintegrate completely – and then abandoned – when Mike insisted that both sides of the fence should be represented.
He had lost the feeling of ‘us’ and ‘them’ among his supporters.
MRAs then abandoned his site in droves and went elsewhere.
The site never fully recovered.
If you try to be everything to everybody, you end up being nobody.
I would also point out that honoured MRAs like Zed and Ray also abandoned MND at this point in time.
Are you subservient to your dog if you build it a doghouse?
-Heathen
But if the dog already owns the couch your bed and dictates when it’s time to eat, and then you build it a house out of fear that it will growl, you certainly aint no Dog Whisperer…
Men are in no position to “magnanimously accept” female surrender. Don’t be daft. It is wishful thinking on the part of pseudo macho whiteknight manginas-in-the-making.
But representing “both sides of the fence” isn’t the point. Feminists are not welcome — period. Anti-feminist women, OTOH, are free to help us out.
Have you guys forgotten that one of our most popular authors on this site is a woman?
To Welmar.
You built a “Beer Hall”. Good. Fine, we’re here. Job done. We don’t need diversification.
Men need a place to organize their ideas (like Paul or whoever said “[if they still have any of their own]“) without female control of vocabulary/epistemology –_and triggering the white knights who feel a need to build things for them_. (ahem)
Female “supporters” are already posting here without being told off (vapid as some of them are).
When the troll brigades attack you do/did very little to banish them (eg sci fi thread). Be more concerned with that than laying out bon bons.
So anyway…
Bio determinism and cause and effect autonomic reflex, female sexual value male redundancy and the like…
http://seanmaccloud.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html
Heathen, latest.
Certainly the best men could think up a cosmos, perpetuum, without female blabber. You are wrong.
(Meanwhile the females are dingbats who make max senate/charlie chaplin seem like stoic drama.)
Certainly females are better tools/grenades than males. Nothing will co-opt the dunces and runtdom of western culture like imploring ditzes (females). Absolutely. They are built in ‘hearts and minds’ converters (a weapon that should be well regulated).
It is the tone of [welmar's] moderation that is at issue (there is something wrong with men that needs to be worked out). Men are in no position to make boopsie comfortable.
And BTW I don’t care about your lieing slut daughters. Don’t try to co-opt everybody into carrying their load.
There was a bit more to it than that, Harry. Mike did not ” insist that both sides of the fence should be represented”, he insisted the the Politically Correct, Female Dominant paradigm be enforced there – even on a site which claimed to be about men. I commented at the time that a better name for it would be “Right Wing News Daily.” He was more concerned about RINOs than any issues really affecting men.
The problem was that he actively silenced men, up to putting a woman in charge of the forums telling men what they could and could not say, marching right along in goosestep with the Feminist-SoCon alliance.
Both feminism and SoCon-ism are based on “pretty lies”, a completely false idea of womanhood. As Paul Elam points out in his great “Letter to Men” http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36
the problem is not women, it is men. Without strongarm enforcers of female privilege like Mike LaSalle, feminism would have been a non-starter and if they ever wake up enough to withdraw their support it will come down like the house of cards it really is.
The vast majority of men really don’t want to be enemies to women – they want to have relationships with women, and if relationships aren’t possible they at least want to have sex with women.
The Jesuits have a saying – “Give me the boy until he is 7, and I will give you the man.” Or, as country folk put it – “As the twig is bent, so grows the tree.” Personality and world view are set fairly early in life. They change remarkably little. The early lives of most of the men here were entirely different from the early lives of guys our age.
The great thing about fighting against any idea that is just flat out wrong is that it will eventually fail due to its own wrongheadedness. Feminism is a fruitcake nutcase ideology that is anti-reality and which will eventually lose out to reality.
Women are beginning to wake up to the fact that they really don’t want what feminism told them to want. Many of them are lonely, alone, over-stressed, and confused as hell. Very soon it will be women’s voices demanding change and an end to feminidiocy which will be louder than men’s.
This post seems directed at me, but seems more of a stream of consciousness rather than a coherent arguement. Some of the comments are just bizarre.
If you have a point to make, I recommend that you try again. Perhaps quote that passages that you are addressing before including your responses. Then try proof reading it to make sure that it is easy to follow.
-Heathen
@Zed
My comments were only in reference to Spearhead – not to the world out there.
“The great thing about fighting against any idea that is just flat out wrong is that it will eventually fail due to its own wrongheadedness. “
Yes, but if the forces promoting the “flat-wrong” ideas are strong enough, then those “flat-wrong” ideas can last a thousand years.
I don’t want to wait that long before I see feminism dethroned.
LOL!
I hope your are right Zed that ‘it will be women’s voices demanding change and an end to feminidiocy’. But does that voice have to be raised here?
Even if such a voice is raised will that voice truly be one that supports maleness? My cynical old natures tells me that it will not. On the other hand this old nature also tell me that I am often mistaken.
This post kind of embodies the ideal exchange: I like this kind of relationship where you ask for our input but in the end are the decider, as well as making a special place for women without being asked.
With regards to naming. I shall be slightly overanalytic about this. Other very feminist places online have called themselves many things e.g. The Bitchery. I’m personally not quite happy being in an environment where I am by default emphasising and/or fighting my faults i.e. somehow having to prove myself to men or automatically being ascribed masculine or aggressive qualities rather than celeberate what it means to be a good woman. I will not put up with a frame given to me that women as a gender are inherently flawed when we are simply different: our qualities can be strengths and weaknesses depending on the scenario and zeitgeist. There is a lot of (justified) suspicion about women in The Spearhead and no doubt this will find it’s way to a woman’s forum; this doesn’t need to be reflected in the name because hopefully the name is a hope for what women will be, rather than a joke that I can see many will misinterpret.
What’s in a name? In the name’s the definition. What kind of women are we, as anti-feminists? We come from different backgrounds: we have girls who’re gaining awareness that we have been the biggest losers in the New World Order — where men have lost touch with their masculinity, where men are slowly losing faith in family, where women pathologise their own gender role because its viewed as playing into the hands of the patriarchy (patriarchy viewed as a social construct and a bad one — rather than the natural and best way things are done) where women are unhappier than men because they are trying to do too many things of which some are against their nature, and so, failing at all. We have discontented women, women who are forever looking for love in the wrong places (externally, rather than understanding its a habit, an action, an internal force) and not understanding their own natures and needs, and what drives and motivates their own behaviours so they enter a cycle where this is worsened and worsened. Misery loves company and the misery inflicted upon men is that: let me ask you this, these women who have victimised men, are they happier than you are?
A false rape charge, what does it do for the case of a real rape victim?
Anyone can see e.g. Welmer would make a woman a wonderful husband and yet — here he is — utterly rejecting the institution: no more, he says.
Men who would consider marriage aren’t marrying, marriages which should’ve lasted aren’t lasting, relationships which are disastrous and shouldn’t happen are occcuring, relationships which do last are more likely to be filled with fights, nagging and bitterness than ever before: she wants and demands more, more, more and cannot be satisfied nor has anyone told her to be satisfied nor is she encouraged or forced to be satisfied. We are happier if we are encouraged to do the best with what we have, rather than always thinking of the option of abandoning it.
Well, the way things are and the way they are heading (e.g. Mancession) is that women are increasingly left alone to inadequately be in charge. A man is not allowed to be invested, not allowed to be employed, not allowed to contribute to his child’s upbringing, not allowed to be respected, not allowed to enjoy a woman for being a woman and so his input is nil, his power is taken away, the relationship between the genders is full of apology — the male is forced to be distanced — and that means she is not getting help, input, human partnership that she needs.
Society is made up of a family, a sense of belonging. It needs both good men and women. It starts with the couple, extends to neighbours, extends to the community and this is a system that a woman in particular cannot tolerate. We are social animals and a man is better adapted to going his own way than a woman ever was.
What are we, female anti-feminists, then? We are advocates of the hearth and home (for happier women who still love family and still are baby-crazy if you look at the nature most women’s careers are put on hold, for a better cooperative society), we are celebrants of women being women rather than trying to be men, we are not radical anti-feminists who believe in taking away a woman’s ambition to be all that she can be but we do believe she musn’t feel that that is what she must be, we are the bastions of reason in a mad world that may just be waking up with this new generation. We are women who understand the landscape of ourselves, the good, the bad, the dissonance.
We have honestly looked into the internal mirror: we have seen ourselves and what our wants actually are. We want men to be fathers, companions, guides, workers and partners in building the best world we can, together.
That is what I’d like to be captured in a name. Us as feminine, as yin, as complement and important, as self-aware. A woman gazing at the mirror, knowing that the title of ‘woman’ is meaningless without the title of ‘man’ to match her, the title of ‘woman’ which radical feminism has done everything to implicitly and even explicitly denigrate and make meaningless (through both what it advocates — masculinising women — and the male reactions to its misandry and pedestalisation of women; we must accept our weaknesses and love them just as we accept them in men and love them — this is what is healthy — rather than pretend they do not exist in women and exaggerate their existence in men).
If there is one word to reclaim, it is the word of feminism: this is advocating for change that is truly in every woman’s interest. We do not have our rights unless we earn them and these rights are meaningless unless we remain true to our natures.
I reclaim The Nature of Women: our petticoats, our cooking spoons, our family, our femininity, our enchantments, our nurturing natures, our temptations, our submissiveness, our rebelliousness, our passion, our protectiveness, our many variations, our mystery, our pragmatism, our sexuality, our respect for authority, our love of the community, our intense loyalty.
We are Cleopatra, Florence Nightingale, Umm Imarra, Boudicca, Khadija, Marie Curie, Aisha, Helen of Troy, Zenobia.
How to capture that in a name? Well, perhaps someone — perhaps a man could do the honour of extending the helping hand — can come up with something, because all my attempts seem inadequate.
@Welmer
Have you guys forgotten that one of our most popular authors on this site is a woman?
Round here, she is not a ‘woman’. She is an anti-feminist.
Maybe you should entitle the forum, “Anti-Feminist Women”.
“Spear Sheath”
I like Bhetti’s “The Nature of Women” too
Interesting move.
PINpricK
The Javelin (Man – Spear, Woman – Javelin)
The Shaft – although I think ‘Globalman’ would agree with ‘The Pit’, hehe.
Pink Asylum
The Pink Steamroller
Loony Bin
FemGate
Jokes aside, it’ll initially seem like subservience, but the purpose/end product is real. More women that are brought to the attention of this site and men’s hardship, the better. Messages need to get out into the everyday. Informed lady heads out there secures a damage limitation for unsuspecting brothers/betas.
So men have always argued about being gagged. So why not return the favour? Because by giving a forum it shows many a man’s true nature of giving woman a chance to speak. Men have an agenda and a forum is an invite for women to engage in a respectful manner, controlled, I think. It’s like going to a divorce counsellor, you’re both sat there and you have to behave yourself, reason things out. You’re not in the environment of your home gripping a saucepan.
That is what is needed, calm, reasoned debate.
Give it probation but I can still feel a storm brewing (call the forum Thunder Bay? ). You the boss. I hope it will provide a testing ground for everyone to debate more logic rather than emotion. An essential requirement.
Or call it ‘Spear’s Court’, where women state their case, lol!
Great post, Bhetti. I’ll ask that you copy it into the new woman’s forum.
Now, allow me to explain why I will not “lend a helping hand.”
Feminism would not have progressed as far as it has without the willing complicity of the majority of women. Men have fought against a strange hive consciousness in that any criticism of any woman was seen by every woman present as an attack on all women. Damn near every woman alive has been an agent for these changes which you grrls are now waking up to the fact have hurt women more than they have men.
The tendency of men to rescue women, to “do it for them” is the biggest single factor in how far things have deteriorated. If women do nothing, then it is obviously men’s fault if things don’t work out right.
Men cannot end the feminist destruction of the culture if women are one minute pleading “rescue us”, and then the moment men start to do just that, suddenly switch sides and show solidarity to the sisterhood.
Women have to start taking responsibility for addressing the problems that are keeping them from having the kinds of lives they want. Men are no longer going to keep giving them, or trying to give them, those lives.
The past has tended to focus a great deal on “what women want.” No one has ever bothered to ask what men wanted, because everyone thought they knew the one-word answer to that – “sex.”
And, now, we have “The Vagina Monologues.” Women today define themselves as nothing but a hole.
Speaking only for myself, I don’t want a woman that is nothing but a hole, I want a whole woman. There have always been fierce women throughout history. We have tons of fierce women today. Are the only fierce women out there the ones who hate men and don’t want one in their lives?
The name of the forum is zed’s anti-Game. If the women don’t like the name, then they can come up with something better. But, I don’t think that men here are going to fall for the shit test “No, I don’t like that, come up with something else.”
As it stands, the name is “Smells like fish in here” until the women members agree on a different name and ask Welmer or I to create a new forum with that name and delete the old one.
Women have to take ownership and responsibility for making the kinds of changes they want to see, or guys might as well just keep seeing how many women they can have sex with.
If you grrls can’t even name a forum, you are going to be completely useless when it comes to anything more challenging.
If you aren’t fierce women, then a place called “the Spearhead” is not going to be your cup of tea.
Welmer,
All that I ask, is that you remember that your naming this forum for women that are on your side. Women who see the destruction of this nation at the hands of feminism. And I don’t wont those wretched women thinking that forum is for them.
Please name it something really pretty and feminine….:0)
Kimberly
Ok then zed….how about “The Torch”
It’s something that one of my favorite Greek Goddess held…Demeter or Ceres.
It can represent passing the torch of new mind set on to another generation of women who wont have to battle feminism.
Kimberly
I’ll take all the suggestions into account, giving the most weight to the ones with coherent arguments behind them. However, I’ll admit that I already have an idea.
Or how about “The Torch and the Hearth Forum”.
I’m excited to find out what you have in mind…God I have no life…lol
“A false rape charge, what does it do for the case of a real rape victim?”
Women could not care less about other women. Women hate other women only slightly less than they hate men.
How about http://www.feministing.com ?
How about “Mama Bear’s Den”? Do we have any women here with any ovaries? C’mon, WOMAN UP!!
Come on now…you know you love it! Besides…you talk big but when are you going to continue that blog of yours? hmmmmmmm….Booooooooooooooooooo
I’ve never had a blog, other than hitching a ride on this one. I built my site about 15 years ago and just left it out there in case anyone wandered by and was interested.
“more precious than jewels” is a reframe. See the 31st proverb.
Uh oh…..did I just confuse you with some one else….did you have the “Eye of the mind”?
Yes, but it was not a blog.
The 5th Column
Perhaps this forum should emphise the finer qualities that women should aspire to in partnership with men.
I would suggest “Shieldmaidens”. Not only does it complement the overall imagry of the The Spearhead, but it also recognises that these women are also at risk when they speak out against feminism.
Sheild and spear, side by side, as they are meant to be.
-Heathen
Well ok then, I have a bone to pic with you ANYWAY. For some reason I confused you with “mirror of the soul”.
Your site is down…and I’m not happy about it. I enjoyed reading the commentary and everytime I would get all negative because of the comments made by some people… I would go and reflect. You need to go and put it back up…now.
Kimberly
Heathen…I love that idea!
Damn it, Heathen, now it won’t be a surprise.
Heathen November 12, 2009 at 5:06 am
“If there are women out there willing to exert that influence on men’s behalf, they are welcome here.”
Really? You presume to speak for all men here? You must be a mangina. How about you try expressing your opinion and let other men express their opinion? And by the way, how many women exert their opinion on mens behalf….for all intents and purposes in the west, zero.
“Our goal is, or should be, to build a better society, not simply a male only society”
‘Our goal’? Who is ‘our’? You are the authorised representative of some group? Who are they? When did they decide that building a better society is ‘our goal’? Why would I be bothered building a society that is ‘better’ by some obscure definition? My goals are to get drunk, get laid, get fed and do it all again as often as possible before I die. I have absolutely no concerns about a ‘better society’. The plan is for society to be totally collapsed and I don’t have too many problems with that either.
“which I can promise you will be just as unsustainable as this one.”
Really, you have some proof of this? Or are you just trying to make pie in the sky promises that you have no way of proving or backing up. Sounds like the second to me.
“I would go so far as to suggest that you may see fewer women posting an the “men only” forums if they had somewhere to put their own comments.”
You are so ignorant you don’t know there are thousand and thousands of forums for wimmin only? And I mean wimmin of both genders. Try google. You will find there are masses and masses of womens forums who will ban men the instant they express an opposing opinion. Let the women talk in those echo chambers. If the spearhead keeps entertaining stupid and ignorant women I will leave. I have listened to stupid, ignorant, lying decietful women for 32 years. I really don’t need any more of their crap opinions to waste my life. And every second any man spends listening to a womans stupid and igorant opinion is a second he loses to learn how to defend his own life. Men who spend time listening to womens opinions deserve to be killed by the Illuminati for their ignorance of the real threat at hand.
“You would ask women to do all that and begrudge them even a forum to call their own? Not what I would call an effective incentive program.”
So women are such crap that they need an ‘incentive program’ to punish crime and run a society based on laws? Gee, that makes them pretty crappy doesn’t it? And did I say I begrudge them a forum? No, I didn’t. That is a lie you made up and attributed to me. That is how women argue. You must have been taught to ‘think’ by a woman. How women ‘think’ is that they express an opinion….period…nothing else needed…..if women want to be given a seat at the foot of the mens table what they will do is punish women for crimes they have committed. Just like men punish men for crimes committed every day. Women are so pathetic that they will not punish a crime committed by a woman.
“Yet according to your own comments, you see them as effective weapons of the so called Illuminati. Either they are useful, and we can make use of them, or they are not useful, and we need not fear them.”
The term is “useful idiots”. Any group of people can be incited to hatred if the Illuminati throw enough propaganda at them without opposing opinion. But I guess you never heard of Nazi Germany. With women their ability to process information is so limited they only need repetition and it is much easier to program them to incite hatred and have them destroy their society by attacking men. Now that they are programmed to hatred of men in the west it will not be possible to remove this programming in any timeframe that makes sense so we can safely ignore them and just work on dealing with the real problem….the Illuminati who wish to destroy our society and bring in their New World Order. Whether women have yet another place to express their useless opinions will make no difference to the outcome of the New World Order. In short, women are irrelevant.
zed November 12, 2009 at 5:59 am
“The problem was that he actively silenced men”
Yup. I was censored on MND. It appears the truth is not popular there. I was testing it out to see if it might be place I could talk about the real issues. Turns out it is not.
“And every second any man spends listening to a womans stupid and igorant opinion is a second he loses to learn how to defend his own life. Men who spend time listening to womens opinions deserve to be killed by the Illuminati for their ignorance of the real threat at hand. ”
It’s small moments like this zed that I really need your page.
Heathen . Try harder; think deeper. What are you retarded? You burn a lot of energy on nonsense for a retard.
“Latest” means your most recent post.
In which, you said
“Our goal is, or should be, to build a better society, not simply a male only society, which I can promise you will be just as unsustainable as this one.”
I contested by saying,
“Certainly the best men could think up a cosmos['better society'], perpetuum['sustained'], without female blabber. You are wrong.”
It was over your head. Perpetuum means “sustainably”. Cosmos means just that– spreading out to space and building a new bio chemistry (that chem-shift would be one engine for ’sustainability’).
(The parenthetical jab at females after that, conveyed that fems can’t do the reverse for they lack something and that is why this utopia now (the 20th cent west) we are enjoying failed.)
Next , in response to your tactical:
“…but why fight… with one hand tied behind your back? If those weapons [females and the deference 'enemy males' show them] are available to us, and are being used against us, why not pick them up?”
I said in agreement…
“Certainly females are better tools/grenades than males. Nothing will co-opt the dunces and runtdom of western culture like imploring ditzes (females). Absolutely. They are built in ‘hearts and minds’ converters (a weapon that should be well regulated).”
“But”
I went on to say,
“It is the tone of [welmar's] moderation that is at issue. Men are in no position to make boopsie comfortable. ”
Meaning I don’t sense deep Machiavellian tactics in Welmar’s desire to build forums for females. I see standard male display occurring. It is that standard male chivalry display that caused the problem in the first place so I say nee.
((More on this female forum idea…
If the excuse for fem forums is “males need space” then you create a private space _for them_. You don’t give females their own space –shuttling them away– and make the male space communal. Common sense.
Next –nipping in the bud the “both genders should have separate private forums”– we don’t all need separate spaces for everyone yet: we are not big enough to faction.
Further, naming any fem space disparagingly makes it a ghetto. It was built motivated by instinctual deference-to-females desire(I suspect) but them it can be claimed to be degrading to females. This is standard western fare: males do something to protect or defer to females then profem points it up as example of patriarchal oppression. (So then profem claims females should get double options as solution continuing the thing that was supposed to be deconstructed by profem. Duh. )
THIS IS RIDICULOUS I’M STARTING TO GET PISSED OFF AT ALL OF YOU. BURNING ENERGY ON THIS HORSESHIT!))
The rest of that “latest” post of yours was simpering. I surmised it is motivated by male protection of daughters impulse. I said your daughters/nieces/cousins deserve to be controlled because of their inherently unacceptable dangerous personalities (according to my relativist definitions)
You seek to deflect the “movement”; co-opt it –make it still born. This is similar to the early so called men’s rights movements which were about berating men for DV that sprung up early in the internet world to trick “new motorists” off the hiway into the “wrong neighborhood”. (Angry Harry should know what I’m talking about being as he has been around this world as long as me.)
I have a heterodoxic personality too. It is the way I enter a debate and join a team too. But you burn a lot of energy on this non issue here.
Nice.
Is it to be used against the enemy or us?
Such is always the story of pussy…
I was trying to think of something in that vein and was not successful. I like it.
‘Here be dragons’ cracked me up. ‘Hen and Tea Party’ is funny, I like Hearthfire too.
Shieldmaidens
Great name Heathen, I like it alot
I think it fits. More than the current name, “Smells Like Fish in Here”…..*rolls eyes*.
Shieldmaidens.
Sean
I´m a man…Does that answer your question?
You have me confused with someone else. I built eye-of-the-mind during the stone age of the internet. There were no “comments” – there weren’t even really “forums” then – about all that was available was usenet and a few listservers. Yahoo had some discussion groups, but nothing like today.
I sort of spun out my anti-materialist, anti-ideological philosophy, but it really wasn’t a site anything like the ones today. It’s gone, anyway. Yahoo/Geocities pulled the plug on all the “free” sites and I thought the material there was so dated that it wasn’t worth preserving.
Some guy has put together the contents of my site along with some of my posts on Mancoat and I think Welmer is going to put a link so people can download it somewhere along the line.
Not at all. I welcome them, and therefore, by definition, they are welcome here. It only takes one. I would note, however, that I do not seem to be alone in my opinion.
Shaming language. Nice. I expect that sort of thing from women and other feminists, but not from supposedly liberated men. Methinks you are perhaps a prisoner of your own hate.
After attempting to take me to task for expressing my opinion as a statement of fact, I am sure that you would not make such a (prima facie) ludicrous statement without a reputable scientific study to back it up. I would very much appreciate a link to this study that shows that absolutely zero women in the west “exert their opinion” (whatever that means) for the benefit of men.
“They” are the group of enlightened men coalecsing around the Spearhead that dream of a better society. I assumed you were one of “us”. My mistake.
In the real world, while wearing the face that I am forced to wear, I would have to be careful not to judge your moral character against my own internal values lest I oppress you.
Here however, I am able to tell you that I think you are a sad, pathetic excuse for a man, and that you are wallowing in your own self inflicted victimhood. It is men like you that made feminists feel like they could take over. After all, when the bar is set so low…
Actually, I will hold you up as proof. You are a man with no investment in society. Your conversation is unpleasant and your life goals contribute nothing to society. I would guess that nobody will really miss you when you are gone. As many of the authors on this website have pointed out, western civilization thrived once it found a way to give men an investment in society. That investment was a genetic legacy founded on a stable relationship with a, wait for it… woman.
I think this is one of the strongest arguements for a women’s forum that I have heard yet.
Aren’t you a gem. And, of course, unless you are on a mass murder spree that I don’t know about, you have completely failed to put your money where your mouth is. Thus, you either don’t believe what you posted (you are full of crap), or you lack the courage of your convictions (you are gutless).
Everyone needs an incentive. It’s called rational living.
You don’t look in mirrors much, do you?
You lose the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
I suspect, that if you had been born a woman, you would have made an excellent feminist.
-Heathen
So, you grrls get over there and thrash it out and come up with a name. I’m making you all responsible for that as a first step in getting you off your big butts to start doing something about the lives that aren’t thrilling you.
Unless Welmer wimps out on me and names it something like “The Doily Corner” the name stays “Smells Like Fish in Here” until you all WOMAN UP and agree among yourselves what you want it to be called.
I suppose I see the essential flaw in having a woman’s forum on The Spreahead is the idea that women can help or do us any good at all. What short memories we all have. Was it not only last week that Glen Sacks was explaining why he spoke to feminist. He thought there could be dialogue and communication. He was wrong and admits it. He fell into a trap. Similarly here there is a false assumption in thinking that women can offer us anything even if they call themselves anti feminists. Really there is no such thing. All this saddens me as the Trojan Horse at the gates and once inside the spearhead will be blunted.
There are a lot of different strategies at work against feminism. The traditional MRA approach is to confront it head on. The problem with that has been that the wall of denial was too well built and had too good a foundation. Several years ago, a few of us renegades got the idea that instead of getting bigger and bigger groups of men to push against the wall, some of us would sneak around behind it and start trying to dig under the foundation and weaken it.
As long as the Hegelian Dialect forces us into seeing things as “men against women” or “conservatives against liberals” they keep us in a squeeze play.
Turning women against feminism and feminists will cut the foundation out from under their power base a whole lot faster than going head-to-head and toe-to-toe with people who live and breathe to argue.
5th column, right?
No need to be so pessimistic, Paul. Women have already been posting on the main site for quite a while, and The Spearhead remains a magazine first and foremost. The forums are for discussion; they won’t influence editorial policy.
Zed,
Your page is the one I’m talking about. I didn’t realize Geo cities pulled the free pages. Alright, I’ll go harass Welmer.
Oh and ladies of Spearhead please email me, kimberlyslament@gmail.com
I don’t want that forum being named, “Smells Like Fish in Here”
And if I get no emails, well guys……I don’t know what to say. I’d rather not have a forum at all if it’s named that.
Sean, I’m going to tell you a secret, because I feel like sharing. The part of your post that put in italics, was the only part that interested me. But I gave you the out, Sean, I really did.
But then you went and reaffirmed your position, and I can’t just let that go.
You, sir (and I use the term very loosely), are a coward. You have denigrated infant children that cannot even speak to defend themselves from your slurs, let alone tell the lies you accuse them of. I can honestly say that I have never had a feminist speak to me or mine in such foul terms.
So I will tell you another secret, Sean. The reason that so many “white knights” and “manginas” facilitate feminism, is that for the most part, feminists are preferable to men like you. And as long as the rest of us allow people like you to exist, there will always be people who prefer a feminised world to your company.
I would wish you a life of torment and pain, but I suspect that you have probably already gone and built yourself just such a life.
-Heathen
LOL. That’s the motivation for you to agree on another name.
What do you think of shieldmaidens?
Zed, I totally posted “Shieldmaidens” before looking at this morning’s comments and discovering that Heathen beat me to it. Rotten Heathen, stealing my thunder, lol. Still, I like it. I think it encompasses everything female allies of the men’s movement should be. You guys have your spears, and we’re here with the shields to back you up.
Although “Torchbearers and Shieldmaidens” would be cool, too.
That’s why this is anti-Game. If women can’t even come up with a name for a damn forum, then they are completely useless to even have around.
WOMAN UP, or shut up.
That’s like “strong independent woman” (as long as she has the complete force of the federal government and millions of entitlements behind her.)
Sorry, kis, I’m into making women work for what they get. If they are going to dither around doing nothing until a man takes charge and makes the decision, then they are a liability, not an asset.
GOOD GOD, WOMAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NAMING A DAMN FORUM, NOT NEGOTIATING NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHIELDMAIDENS, ffs Zed! Come on, women and vote on the damn thing! Just post your vote here. No secret ballots, no holding hands and singing Kumbaya. Do it. Doooooo itttttt!
What do you think of shieldmaidens?
I think it’s good.
Well, hell, I’d have been fine with “Smells like fish in here” (call me crazy, but I thought it had a certain charm), but you all wanted us to pick a good name. I’ve picked one. I don’t think we women should be penalized because Heathen lives in a different time zone than I do and posted it first, if that’s what you’re getting at.
Besides, I don’t want to be independent from men. I want us to be side by side, fighting and toiling together. Being “independent” as feminists define it is like masturbating. It might get the job done, but it’s not as fulfilling as the real thing with another living, breathing human being.
Here’s another suggestion: “Double Agents” We’re anti-feminist women, we’re supposed to go in as moles and unravel the whole thing from the inside. Or how about “Ethical Traitors”?
Well if there has to be a women’s forum it must be called Equal Opportunity. I have not read all the posts so maybe this has been suggested before. I am suggesting it through gritted teeth.
Truth in advertising…
If there are more than 2 “maidens” in the whole lot of you I will be surprised.
How about shieldcrones?
I like Shieldmaidens too. So, of the women who have posted since Shieldmaidens was suggested (Renee, Kimberly, Kis, Crella and myself) all have affirmed that name. Smells like a consensus to me.
Hestia too.
So, get over there and hash it out. Select one of you as the representative to request a change of name – http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=44
I’m going, I’m going. Jeez, I just woke up here…
A wise man wrote, fear is the mind-killer. Another wise man told me, fear and hatred of the Illuminati may be part of what gives them power. Conspiracy theorists focus so much on the fear and negative that they give these groups far more power and credence than they deserve.
Even if there is a grand, world-wide conspiracy, he said, it is not worth obsessing over it. You create your own existence with your emotional state and behavior, and if you live in fear and hatred, your existence will become thus.
‘Heathen’ is a hi-jacker. It is obvious. Look at how much energy he spends on this without posting _on anything else_.
Does that say that he knows “our” interests and has them at heart?
“Heathen” as a nome d’net is not like an anti christian heathen who is fed up with western sappiness (christian sentiment) that enables the lie-ing and censoring parts of liberalism. It is the, “I don’t like-no-patriarchal-god heathen”.
“Look at how much energy he spends on this without posting _on anything else_.”
So, get over there and hash it out.
I thought that was what we were doing here, but okay, I registered my vote over there too.
Oh, that’s mean. LOL
Hope
Thanks for listing the Dune-litany, I´ve been looking for that one.
Always thought she said “Fear is the mighty killer.”
Helped me in some really intense situations in the past.
@Kimski
Glad to hear it! The six books of the original Dune series are amazing, and I recommend reading at least the first three books if you liked the televised version.
Hope
I read them all back in the 80´ties, when the movie came out.And worked in Saudi´, where I found out how he came up with a lot of the expressions in the books…Sardaukar, for example….:)
Hope
There´s a lot to be said about danish translators…And most of it aint good!!
zed: Damn near every woman alive has been an agent for these changes which you grrls are now waking up to the fact have hurt women more than they have men.
The Western world is suddenly the world’s female population? Well, I apologise for myself for only waking up to this at such an advanced age. I’m sorry for any female relatives or acquaintances of mine who have provided the grist for the feminist mill by being oppressed, lacking “serious” (i.e. not manly) career ambitions, sexually assaulted or otherwise dared to let themselves be victimised in any way, even being young girls.
Truly.
Oh well, I’ve made my sarcastic point. I’m being defensive and I recognise you’re addressing a specific audience. As an Arab woman having lived in an Arab society, having been exposed to the various states woman are in, I understand the pathologies of both.
For every story a woman has of being sexually assaulted or otherwise among our women and the women who act as servants (and no doubt it is more than in Western civilisation in terms of the grievousness), there are a good deal more about men who genuinely care about them, their interests, their families and their education.
I understand exactly why women can be very misandrist — a natural and justified fear of the power a male has over her life (e.g. I believe there was a comment here about men not being with women who’re raped. Feminists play on real and reasonable fears.) — and I can understand when that misandry becomes out of control and socially deleterious.
Still, make no mistake. I’ve adopted Western society just as it has adopted me. This is my world now.
Was my statement written in Arabic, or Somali, or Mandarin? Shall I triple the number of words already being used to make sure that I throw in enough qualifiers, disclaimers, and weasel words that no amount of overzealous parsing of what I have to say could possibly be even marginally construed to not be perfectly, exactly, precisely, 100% accurate in each and every possible permutation which might occur in an infinitely variable and uncertain universe which so far in human history has defied exact and precise description despite the combined efforts of millions of academics, philosophers, and even the occasional drunk – the fundamental uncertainty of which we must, for the time being at least, simply consign to “the great unknown”?
Ok, now I’ve got my sarcasm out of the way, as well.
As a Muslim woman in a Western culture, you should be particularly attuned to the normal human characteristic that hatred, suspicion, and distrust breed hatred, suspicion, and distrust – or, as I said in one of my essays “Hate Bounces.”
The problem with the spread of misandry is that being hated significantly reduces men’s motivation to have any concern about women at all. Through the years that men have been trying to raise awareness of the cultural decay, almost without exception some woman present would do everything she could to silence him.
Starting wars seems to be very easy for human beings. Starting peace in the middle of such a war seems to be much more difficult.
LOL , very true but the idea of the spear and the shield together was what I liked.
(and she puzzed and she puzzed…..)
As a Muslim woman in a Western culture, you should be particularly attuned to the normal human characteristic that hatred, suspicion, and distrust breed hatred, suspicion, and distrust – or, as I said in one of my essays “Hate Bounces.”
Westerners are absolutely lovely and darling to me, anyway, and considered on balance with other experiences. I’m familiar with this point, just want to defend any unfair denigration of Western culture here. Your problem is with loving foreigners too much rather than too little.
“Shall I triple the number of words already being used to make sure that I throw in enough qualifiers, disclaimers, and weasel words that no amount of overzealous parsing of what I have to say could possibly be even marginally construed to not be perfectly, exactly, precisely, 100% accurate in each and every possible permutation which might occur in an infinitely variable and uncertain universe which so far in human history has defied exact and precise description despite the combined efforts of millions of academics, philosophers, and even the occasional drunk – the fundamental uncertainty of which we must, for the time being at least, simply consign to “the great unknown”?
Holy run-on sentence, Batman! That’s $0.25 into the grammar jar!
Heh heh.
I’m glad Zed has only ever chastised me in private, rather than publicly as I have often deserved.
Although a name seems to already have been chosen, I remember two girls I knew back in college who had, hanging in the entrance of their apartment, a Maxi-pad with a jiffy-marker message reading: “Welcome to our pad.”
Zed, I’d like to steal that paragraph!
Steal away, crella.
That was just the ultimate disclaimer/rant, I could never top it , thanks!
The X chromosomes.
The-ShieldMaiden is good
I like Ironmaidens
Or I’ll take “Rainbows and Unicorns” or “Tea party”
Unless it is “The failure of rational thought” women should be banned. They have their own forums that they can hang out in.
does this all mean that The Progressive House of Skankopolis has been rejected?
Iron maidens etc no good. Shieldmaidens –while created by a hijacker–was okay BECAUSE it developed the motif of ’spearhead’.
“Torchbearer”–again created by a problematic member [vapid dame]–is development of the motif too. But it is a very roundabout obscure development. And demeter is hardcore feminist icon! Nobody knows their Greek. (Also the male torchbearers are supplicants to demeter.)
Is “spearhead” a tribal spear or civilized lance? Is it northern Euro or Southern; Caucasoid or equatorial? Then you develop from there.
I rather fancy “The Target” myself. After all, spearheads do need something at which to aim and to penetrate, so to speak.
@Welmer
“I’d like to add a forum for women at the new bulletin board we’ve set up. Why? Because there are billions of women out there, and somehow we’ve got to make peace with them.”
Why are men posting on the “forum for women”?
If I were choosing, I would choose The Distaff.
@ Harry
Right it’s a lame idea to amke a womens forum. We need a ‘men only forum’ were women are kicked to the curb if they have the audacity to enter.
If women want a forum they can go make one themselves.
Aren’t you guy’s here getting to liberal?
Just FYI I stated well above I was against the fem forum too. I simply acknowledged right above here that “motif development” was the way to go generally for naming.
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Some suggestions:
The Second Sex
The Scabbard
Ladies Auxiliary
Wenches
The Waitresses
Talking Ribs
Soooo, what is the lesson Welmer and Zed?
Maybe feminists thought men would benefit from their movement just as you thought women would benefit from yours.
Maybe now you know why we are here at this point in time.
It was a power struggle that had to be faced and when enough peace without war occurred, the time was right. It is already being solved because it needed to be solved and time was on its side.
You want to make peace with woman?
How can you make peace with a population of beings, who on an instinctive level wouldn’t ever recognize the average male as being a person.
Most woman see a man or a boy at best, as an expendable tool.
Or as collateral or amusement, put into existence for her use only.
To waste a mans time trying to make peace with something that would probably feel dirtied or violated by such a suggestion is foolish.
I would suggest that the only sane path is to make peace with our own kind.
Against people, who as a group deliberately and totally destroy the quality of life for the majority of boys and men. – “Our kind”.
Beware woman and rich men they make whores of us.
– Rod
To Rod
You are right.
It is not your generation to make peace. Your generation will make a peace and your generation will be a part of a war in its own ‘meant to be’ way. It is just life.
That’s why everyone who has power are going for the children and why they have always gone for the children since humans began making life different from the animals. “Give me a child till he is seven and I will make a man of him” has been passed down right through biblical times and is still being passed down.
Those whose job it is to make a difference have already forgotten about you and me. We are just statistical information for what to do and not to do.
I have greatly enjoyed the articles and the discussion here. But it seems the pussification has now gotten on in earnest. I wondered why the Spearhead even had female posters. Don’t men need a space of their own to sharpen one another? This is why I enjoy Lurker and Globalman and Sean Macloud, and others of their kind. Don’t always agree with what they say but they push the envelope, cutting away vines of PC crap.
Since there is going to be a female forum, can they ALL be put over there? Must men always capitulate, bow, beg, scrape before women? Good Lord!
Men lead; women follow. As men sharpen each other, we can make our way with honor through this world. Women are our allies when we have the power and the vision to make our goals reality. This forum does not need women…there are thousands of forums…they can start their own…cho!
Anyway, please put them all over there.
Why should women have their own forum here? Unless it is a place to which you can banish them for too many asinine comments? I suggest that you worry less about kow-towing to chicks and making them feel special and more about continuing the great work that you have been doing thus far.
Let the women speak here like anyone else and when they expose themselves as fools, let them reap their reward for it… just like any man would.
More forum name suggestions:
Chick Lit
Please Sir
Maidservant’s Opinion
I Wear the Panties
Heard But Not Seem
The Hole Truth
“Heard But Not Seen”
The Vertical Smile
Mutterings from the Kitchen
After the Men Speak
ZED: Unless Welmer wimps out on me and names it something like “The Doily Corner” the name stays “Smells Like Fish in Here” until you all WOMAN UP and agree among yourselves what you want it to be called.
How about ” The bearded clams?”
Perhaps a little more palatable ???
I prefer the “oyster style” myself, a bit more interesting…
David: funny.
After the Men Speak
This one being the one I like best.
I’m not seeing how the existence of either a forum or women themselves is bowing/scraping. That’s always determined by your individual attitude.
This magazine will always be a voice for men. That hasn’t changed in any way. Giving a place for woman is borne out of recognising that they could possibly be of some value if friendly to men, their rights as well as providing a quick survey and focus for the female audience (and yes, turning their attention away slightly from commenting in other places). Understand the hostility on principle to anything being given to a female is from a revenge mentality instead of a pragmatic one. From the pragmatic point of view, women’re included on a probation basis. We’re a long way away from being regarded without suspicion. Only ones you can sensibly argue doing the bowing/scraping right now is the women.
Kitchen references men are making the argument for me. I wouldn’t put a woman in a kitchen if she was pissed off: access to your food, toxic cleaning products and sharp things. Therefore you advocate women cooperating with you when you say the kitchen’s where she should (gladly!) be.
Anyway, that’s my last word on it.
Bhetti
“Kitchen references”
Oh, thank you very much, Bhetti!-You just gave me a whole new list of things to worry about !!!
If it has to be, why not call it the ‘Monkey Pit’ to differentiate it from Mankind!
Bhetti, Kathy, other women, perhaps you can answer my question. Why do women sometimes seem happy to insult their own sex, especially their own anatomy? I am genuinely puzzled.
Last night, a young girl stopped me at a bus stop and told me a really anti-woman joke, along the lines of “fishy smells”. I think she thought she had shocked a grown man, but what really surprised me was that she would tell an anti-female joke, as a female.
I don’t get it. Any hints?
Yes Your Butt Is Fat
Kupkake’s Korner
I Am Woman, I’m Offended
Bosom Buddies
Women Dont Sweat They Glisten
Me Me Me Me you Me Me Me
Ye Olde Snatch Shack
i know i know it’s already The Shieldmaiden, sounds like eva braun hawking new pantyliners
hey when yall get done baking cookies pls more categories to name thankyou
Hmm, bit over the top when a young girl goes up to a total stranger and tells such jokes , David.
Speaking for myself, I don’t make anti female jokes. I don’t make anti male jokes. I just make jokes.
My husband has a mate, who whenever he heard of a man about to be married, would exclaim quite solemnly (whilst shaking his head) “Another victim of the bearded clam!”
Never ever thought of it as anti- female.
Damn funny though.
Still cracks me up when I think about it
A name for this female forum?
I can think, therefore I aunt – (really female)
Feminism is a load of old fanny – join us!
The key to the future only works when the keyhole has hair around it.
Oops – I think Id better go:
– Rod!
Rod, do you mean fanny as in butt? ( American slang)
or fanny as in vagina? ( Aussie slang)
Reply: – To Kathy Farrelly
It is possible that this will be the first of many issues concerning The Female
Forum needing immediate debate.
This directly affects The Female Forum’s, identity and female lifestyle choices of her members. Note: (members only used, for the choice of a better word)
It is probable that funding will be available, through the usual channels for this important issue.
– Rod.
I would like to note:
Despite the enormous enjoyment I am having coming up with naughty names for the Female Forum.
I am aware that the woman contributing to this site are a different breed from the misanderist usual, us men have all been born and bred under.
I do personally believe mens rights should be run by men for the welfare of men and boys.
Woman get in the way because they are not men don’t have our values, and most have only their own interests at heart whether they know it or not.
Our problem is most common men are brainwashed against us, on the behalf of a lot woman.
Males are and have always been inspired into action by females. This needs to change, we need to value ourselves and our kind too.
Woman have a place and an opinion in our movement but it is not at the center, where we need to be.
And if some female has a problem with our delight in disrespecting woman as
group, then maybe she should have a thought to how we have been treated in our lives by the ruthless, greedy, cruel and selfish gang mentality of many females and their sympathizes. Not to mention their total lack of accountability in everything.
So sorry to the woman who are reasonable capable and decent adults.
Rod.
And just encase any females may have been considering me likable, here are a couple of more ideas for The Female Forum.
Thinking with your box.
Ovaries in our heads.
— Rod!
I would suggest “Shieldmaidens”. Not only does it complement the overall imagry of the The Spearhead, but it also recognises that these women are also at risk when they speak out against feminism.
I second this. I like the Germanic/Celtic imagery.
Oh I know I promised to leave, but if you make a woman’s forum may I come back? I tried taking it to the feminists but “there be dragons there” and none of my posts even show up. Even the mundane ones like “Men are people too.” are shot down immediately.
You’ll be relieved to know that I concentrate on my own blog now (that was a good idea, BTW) so I won’t have much time to annoy you with my married-bliss comments.
Truce?
Heathen November 12, 2009 at 8:29 am
“And by the way, how many women exert their opinion on mens behalf….for all intents and purposes in the west, zero.”
“After attempting to take me to task for expressing my opinion as a statement of fact, I am sure that you would not make such a (prima facie) ludicrous statement without a reputable scientific study to back it up. I would very much appreciate a link to this study that shows that absolutely zero women in the west “exert their opinion” (whatever that means) for the benefit of men.”
Heathen. I say “for all intents and purposes … zero” and you translate that into “absolutely zero” which, of course, is not true. Eriz Pizzy is an example that makes “absolutely zero” not true. Alas, you argue like a woman. You want some proof that almost no women are exerting their opinion on behalf of men? I offer you the internet and mainstream media as evidence. Go look for yourself. You want a ’scientific survey’ before you will believe something? You want someone else to spoon feed you your statistics so you can consider them? You are a child. You are an idiot. The vast majority of ’science’ is bogus and merely created with the intent of controlling us. The vast majority of ’surveys’ are also bogus. Pretty much ALL the ones by guvment or their stooges in ‘academia’ are bogus. You have to read real hard to know what they are really saying. Men, real men, have brains, and they get off their proverbial arses and get out there and see for themselves what is going on.
“”They” are the group of enlightened men coalecsing around the Spearhead that dream of a better society.”
Really? You can point to a mission statement of Spearhead that states the mission of spearhead is to create a ‘better society’? Ok. Point to it. Some men have expressed that desire and they are entitled to their desire. Me? I don’t really care. And I like how you take my desire of get drunk, get laid, get fed, and do it all again as “I think you are a sad, pathetic excuse for a man.” That’s so funny since, in the last 18 months, I have made huge achievments in the area of mens rights and I am now putting them to the test in courts. Yep, the guys who know what I am doing and understand it think I’m a genuine hero. Guys like you think I am “a pathetic excuse for a man”. Well, you are welcome to your opinion.
“You are a man with no investment in society. Your conversation is unpleasant and your life goals contribute nothing to society.”
Interestingly I used to have a BIG investment in my ’society’. I used to be the very epitome of a ‘Family Man’. I have contributed to many people in many ways not the least of which was raising 4 children. However, my ’society’ branded me a second class citizen and stole the proceeds of my labour unlawfully. ALL but one adult woman seemed to think this was perfectly ok. So now I recognise no ’society’. One thing I am doing is to be here for all the fun and pleasure I can get while I am still young enough to do so.
I tell every young man I meet that being a ‘Family Man’ is a stupid thing to be and is no longer worth the effort. I tell them allowing a woman to co-habit is an act of stupidity. I’m so shallow I make Shallow Hal look like the Marinara Trench. And guess what? I find life today FAR better than I ever found it as a ‘model citizen’ who was a dedicated ‘Family Man’. I used to have to work 10 months of the year billable as a mimimum and that is really hard to do as a self employed man. Now I only have to work 2 months a year to break even. Gee. Which would I prefer? So I tell young men. You only have one life. Don’t throw it away being a ‘Family Man’, don’t co-habit, try being a ‘Global Man’. You will not regret it.
The rest of your reply is such a joke it does not deserve any response.
Note to self…ignore Heathen….he’s a ‘wimmin thinking mangina’.
Hope November 12, 2009 at 9:59 am
“A wise man wrote, fear is the mind-killer. Another wise man told me, fear and hatred of the Illuminati may be part of what gives them power.”
Your wise man is correct. Fear is a mind killer and hatred is a very negative emotion. And the Illuminati use fear to control people. Example? Paying income tax is voluntary in all former british colonies. Yet, if you exercise your lawful right not to volunteer they call you a ‘tax cheat’ and attempt to use shaming tactics on you. If that isn’t enough then they send their blue gun thugs around to arrest you and their corrupt courts to run a charade that ends with you in jail. All for not ‘volunteering’ to pay taxes. The fear of being jailed keeps the sheeple paying income tax ‘voluntarily’.
Men who know me know I fear nothing and no-one and don’t hate anyone or anything. Indeed, many men who know me ask me if I am not worried about getting thrown in jail for what I am doing. I reply that I’m certain I am going to be thrown in jail for a while and would be surprised not to be. Why would I fear being thrown in jail? Only those of extremely low intellectual capacity would take what I am saying as ‘fear’ or ‘hatred’. Mostly they turn out to be wimmin. With a name like ‘Hope’ which is gender neutral I can’t tell if you are a woman or not.
When people are committing genocide those who would oppose them (like me) have to stand up and be counted. Or are you not aware of the ongoing program of genocide going on around the world? Maybe you agree with it? The Illuminati are already killing tens of millions of people a year. And if you knew that they have just infected more than 1 M people in the Ukraine and have caused 300+ deaths yet this have been completely kept out of western media you might start to understand the extent of the problem…but hey…you know more than me…right?
Oh..in case you didn’t know….swine flu vaccine shots are causing lots of women to miscarry. I so laughed when I read that. I was reading a blog of all these wimmin talking about how totally shattered they were they miscarried after their swine flu shot. Boo hoo. What do these wimmin have to say about men killing themselves from the abuse they receive in family court? Nothing. Well, when you replace your ‘provider and protector’ husband with a corrupt guvment and you allow them to pump poison into your body because you are too stupid to do your own research and you have a miscarriage WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? Answer. NEVER A WOMAN. The wimmin on the blog all blamed ’someone else’ for their miscarriage. Women are children. They can’t be responsible for anything. Not even for allowing a criminal guvment to pump poison into their bodies that kills their baby. Nope. Not even THAT is the responsibility of a woman. Well done ladies..
I first really got how women could not care less about their children when my ex showed more concern at how she would be perceived by the nursing staff at a hospital than she was about saving her own sons like from cancer. Just like these women couldn’t care less about the baby growing inside them to do their research and find out swine flu vaccines are poison. People are screaming from the rafters the swine flu vaccine is not safe and would these wimmin go find that out? Nope.
Ragnar November 13, 2009 at 11:12 am
“If women want a forum they can go make one themselves.”
Ragnar. In case you didn’t know even feministing.com is run and maintained by a man. Women are so useless and worthless they can’t even create a forum for themselves. Face it. Women are so useless they can’t actually do anything for themselves. They have to use the proceeds of a mans labour to do anything. So they simply can’t go and create a forum for themselves. Not even the most famous womans forum on the planet is run by a woman…THAT is how pathetic women are in terms of doing anything but popping out babies. And they only do that reasonably well because they don’t actually have to do anything themselves. It’s all natural. Still…plenty of women manage to mess up even this simple task by putting drugs or alcohol or now swine flu vaccines into their system while they are pregnant.
But you point this out? That women can’t do anything for themselves? And you are ’sexist’ and you ‘hate women’. Really? I put forward the proposition that anyone claiming men and women are in any way ‘equal’ is sexist and the statement is false because there is no evidence to support this statment whereas there is the entire history of the world to point to for the achievements of men.
Hi. Regular reader. Female .
I’m ignoring the disparaging comments about women up there to instead focus on the wisdom of Welmer’s argument. Your rational thought is not unappreciated.
Who are the women in your life that you don’t hate, forum? Your mother? A sister? A daughter?
Maybe something like “Feminine Allies?”
I fell in love with a beautiful Puerto Rican girl
Her name was Sophia
I met her in San Juan
I knew she had be the one, mi nina bonita