If you are vehemently opposed to marriage and family, then you will indeed never be in a relationship with a woman worth her salt.

You get what you seek. Think on that.

Joking aside, it’s true that it makes a difference when a father will not put up with typical female whining and excuse-making, when it’s clear that Dad takes NO crap. It teaches taking responsibility for one’s own actions, something you don’t always learn from Mom. Too many mothers are way too lenient and soft on the kids, or just have no rules at all.

Dad had me reading poetry before I went to school, never talked down to me and expected me to be able to do what he asked, and out of respect as well as love, I didn’t like to disappoint him. If he thought I could do it, well, I did it.
It means a lot, and definitely lays down the groundwork for future relationships with men.

The following is just a small fragment of that madness.

It took Lewis four tries, each costing $1,500, to become pregnant. Upon hearing the good news—about the girl-boy twins—she went shopping. “I didn’t buy the boy anything,” she says. Instead she stocked up on pink paraphernalia for her daughter, already named Cassandra. “I bought her jewelry and a little bracelet with her name on it. I was planning her first Halloween. She was going to be a little ballerina.”

As it turned out, the sonographer had made an error. Lewis got a delivery room surprise: twin boys. “I was in hysterics. I felt like somebody had died. The nurse had to send over a psychiatric social worker,” she says.
At home with her baby boys and her two-year-old son, Lewis’ anguish deepened. She was put on Prozac, but it didn’t help. “I stayed in my room. I drew the drapes. I felt like a funeral should be held.” The low point was when the twins had to be circumcised. “I thought, Here we are with two penises when there should not have been two.

This is exactly why I brought up the topic of circumcision before, as it is indeed a complete violation of male’s bodies. Perhaps this section will demonstrate well the reasons why we should should take up this issue, and protect our boys.

Based on you last response, it looks like we pretty see eye-to-eye Just want to point out something though.

These days I sense that there is no stigma whatsoever on women being as slutty as they wanna be, which is why I bring it up. (In contrast, the enforcement mechanism / stigma for men is…surprise!…child support, something that women can easily duck through unilateral abortion). Also, another reason why I bring this up is because there is still a fair amount of females out there who don’t think they have a sexual appetite, what triggers it, or think their is less ferocious than a guy’s. Thus they have issues with controlling it because they don’t know how to deal with the strength of their sex drive or how powerful their vag tingle can be.

Personally I think the stigma is still there for females. For men, there are words like “playas”, “studs”, and “cads” which are in a sense positive connotations of promiscuous behavior. It’s almost expected of them. If they turn down sex or is a virgin, then either they’re gay, aren’t considered real men, or the butt of the joke. On tv and movies you see men surrounded by females or have one on each arm. So to me, child support isn’t really evidence of a stigma.

For women, it’s a different story. I’m glad that you stated that women do have sexual appetites. Women not having any is one of the biggest myths about them. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was used as a tool in the sexual oppression of the past. Anyway while names describing male’s promiscuous behavior has positive connotations, names for females do not. Examples: “slut”, “whore”, “ho”. Even the word “promiscuous” is mainly applied to women in a negative fashion. It’s expected for females to decide to be virgins or to wait to have sex. It’s considered normal for females to be the one to turn down sex.

OK, back to the topic lol!

No. We don’t all KNOW this. Child support is voluntary. If you do not volunteer to pay it then you don’t pay it. I am not sure how many times I am going to have to say that before men actually go and do their research and find that it is true. You don’t have to pay income tax, alimony, child support or mortgages. These are all voluntary things.

“Oh I disagree, at least wrt marriage constituted outside the purview of the state. The benefits that accrue to society in general, and men in particular, from a marriage culture outweigh the downsides, IMHO.”

Name one benefit of marriage to a man. I was married for 18 years and now single again for 2 years. I can’t think of one single benefit of being a husband and a father. Care to take a stab at naming one?

Children are over-rated. You can’t sent them back once you have them..so just don’t have them. Save your money and enjoy spending it on yourself.