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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/21/self-control-a-masculine-quality/#comment-22519</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a member of the MM, not a misogynist. I do support equal rights and justice for all.</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/21/self-control-a-masculine-quality/#comment-22517</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wulf October 21, 2009 at 04:55 
And repeal the 19th Amendment.

Strike down VAWA or reform it. For some women it has become a license to falsely accuse men and boys of crimes they did not  commit. Also, feminist jurisprudence must be reigned in as it erodes the rights of falsely accused males.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wulf October 21, 2009 at 04:55<br />
And repeal the 19th Amendment.</p>
<p>Strike down VAWA or reform it. For some women it has become a license to falsely accuse men and boys of crimes they did not  commit. Also, feminist jurisprudence must be reigned in as it erodes the rights of falsely accused males.</p>
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		<title>By: Suigintou</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/21/self-control-a-masculine-quality/#comment-21465</link>
		<dc:creator>Suigintou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;If we did not have the sex as a factor, would you be speaking to women, then ??
If sex wasn&#039;t a factor, and it wasn&#039;t something they could get people to bend over backwards for, then they wouldn&#039;t have the annoyingly self-obsessed personalities that they do.   Because if they ever acted like that around civilized people, they&#039;d be asked nicely to STFU or GTFO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;If we did not have the sex as a factor, would you be speaking to women, then ??<br />
If sex wasn&#8217;t a factor, and it wasn&#8217;t something they could get people to bend over backwards for, then they wouldn&#8217;t have the annoyingly self-obsessed personalities that they do.   Because if they ever acted like that around civilized people, they&#8217;d be asked nicely to STFU or GTFO.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostnation</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostnation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human beings of either sex will show the self control they are expected to have- and generaly no more.

Our particular society does not hold women to account. You can be pretty sure that women behave quite differently in Saudi Arabia for instance. You will probably also find that men behave worse over there than they do here.

I usually tell women that I expect them to be adults when I am around. Generaly it works- though sometimes they simply avoid me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human beings of either sex will show the self control they are expected to have- and generaly no more.</p>
<p>Our particular society does not hold women to account. You can be pretty sure that women behave quite differently in Saudi Arabia for instance. You will probably also find that men behave worse over there than they do here.</p>
<p>I usually tell women that I expect them to be adults when I am around. Generaly it works- though sometimes they simply avoid me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gx1080</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/21/self-control-a-masculine-quality/#comment-13743</link>
		<dc:creator>Gx1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the attempt of deviating EVERY SINGLE thread in a conversation about your and several posters personal lives, no matter if it&#039;s relevant or not is the purpouse of all blogs?

Please. Just because women have a bunch of Nice Guys (tm) orbiting around them doesn&#039;t make them the center of the universe. That goes for LR, B&amp;G and several others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the attempt of deviating EVERY SINGLE thread in a conversation about your and several posters personal lives, no matter if it&#8217;s relevant or not is the purpouse of all blogs?</p>
<p>Please. Just because women have a bunch of Nice Guys &#8482; orbiting around them doesn&#8217;t make them the center of the universe. That goes for LR, B&amp;G and several others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabherwochie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabherwochie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I still don’t know what you are talking about because from what I have seen you haven’t thrown a single “barb” in my direction. Your random insults don’t even pertain to me. It would be like if you called me a Nigger or a Spic.&quot;

So your son isn&#039;t a bastard?

&quot;No offense, Jaber but I wouldn’t bother going “head to head” with someone like you. It would be a like kicking a puppy having any sort of engagement with you…as you appear to have the mentality of a 17 year old boy. I didn’t even realize you were addressing me that’s how “hardcore” you are, lmao….

Seriously….don’t toss your hat in the ring with the big kids if you can’t be a worthy opponent.&quot;

Funny how I was tagged as gifted and talented in elementary school, was considered the same in highschool ( I pretty much did whatever the fuck I wanted at school, how do you discipline a kid aceing his classes and standardized tests) and consistently had college professors comment positively on my intellect and creativity.  Funny, how after all the praise and accolades I began to doubt the validity of it all, so I had my IQ tested more than once starting in High School.   My IQ has scored in the low 140s.  Unlike you, I have nothing to prove, so I feel free to take chances in my debates, as I don&#039;t mind looking like a fool once in a while if I can occasionally score a unique zinger.  Sorry I&#039;m not boring.  This isn&#039;t highschool debate team.  I&#039;m here to have fun, mostly at your expense.  Do try harder to follow.  I assure you there is meaning behind everything I say.  Specific examples of where I&#039;m not making any sense or off target would help, otherwise you&#039;re just hiding behind a smoke screen of dismissiveness.

&quot;&quot;No, you come off as silly and uneducated. Type of guy who has a “word-of-the-day” calender in his cubicle and stews all day about how he deserves a position of authority and honor…..then kisses his female boss’s ass on a daily basis pretending that it’s all part of a grand scheme to “overthrow the evil feminist machine”.&quot;&quot;

I take silly as a compliment.  Obviously I don&#039;t take myself very seriously, although I&#039;m serious about men&#039;s issues (I have my reasons, but you don&#039;t seem intellectually curious, you just like to spout off.)  Have you read the poem &quot;Jabberwocky&quot;.  It&#039;s very basis is silly and childlike.  Sorry that I have the creative spirit of a 17 year old, many great thinkers are attributed with possessing an inate childlike sense of wonder and awe towards the world.  You wouldn&#039;t know anything about being young at heart, not since you had your bastard child anyways.  And uneducated?  I graduated college with honors and read books on a regular basis.  I&#039;m currently reading Howard Gardner&#039;s &quot;Creating Minds&quot;.  What do you read, Cosmo?

And I was fired as an art teacher by the female vice principals because they were feminazi&#039;s who were intimitated by the magic a rookie male teacher was working at their low socio-economic school, so they trumped up some charges about classroom management issues, and during a transition of male principals, axed me.  I&#039;ll tell you the whole story if your interested.  I didn&#039;t bow down to bullies when I was a little kid, I don&#039;t bow down to anyone, and yet manage to show respect where respect is due, like to several of the people you are condescendingly engaged in debate with, despite their moderate tones.

And right now I work for a guy (no women here at all thank god) that I grew up down the street from.  Cushy job is an understatement.  How do you think I debate on blogs all day.  My true passion is to be an artist.  Status in the art world is all I aspire for.  If I cared about money and the finer things in life, do you think I&#039;d be a struggling artist.  Plus, I grew up solidly middleclass, bordering on upper middleclass if my mom hadn&#039;t divorced my dad and split his assets, so I know what its like to have material possessions.  Its overrated. I&#039;m pursuing my bliss, not happiness.  Its a very important difference.

And I use big words because little words are less fun.  Indubiously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still don’t know what you are talking about because from what I have seen you haven’t thrown a single “barb” in my direction. Your random insults don’t even pertain to me. It would be like if you called me a Nigger or a Spic.&#8221;</p>
<p>So your son isn&#8217;t a bastard?</p>
<p>&#8220;No offense, Jaber but I wouldn’t bother going “head to head” with someone like you. It would be a like kicking a puppy having any sort of engagement with you…as you appear to have the mentality of a 17 year old boy. I didn’t even realize you were addressing me that’s how “hardcore” you are, lmao….</p>
<p>Seriously….don’t toss your hat in the ring with the big kids if you can’t be a worthy opponent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny how I was tagged as gifted and talented in elementary school, was considered the same in highschool ( I pretty much did whatever the fuck I wanted at school, how do you discipline a kid aceing his classes and standardized tests) and consistently had college professors comment positively on my intellect and creativity.  Funny, how after all the praise and accolades I began to doubt the validity of it all, so I had my IQ tested more than once starting in High School.   My IQ has scored in the low 140s.  Unlike you, I have nothing to prove, so I feel free to take chances in my debates, as I don&#8217;t mind looking like a fool once in a while if I can occasionally score a unique zinger.  Sorry I&#8217;m not boring.  This isn&#8217;t highschool debate team.  I&#8217;m here to have fun, mostly at your expense.  Do try harder to follow.  I assure you there is meaning behind everything I say.  Specific examples of where I&#8217;m not making any sense or off target would help, otherwise you&#8217;re just hiding behind a smoke screen of dismissiveness.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;No, you come off as silly and uneducated. Type of guy who has a “word-of-the-day” calender in his cubicle and stews all day about how he deserves a position of authority and honor…..then kisses his female boss’s ass on a daily basis pretending that it’s all part of a grand scheme to “overthrow the evil feminist machine”.&#8221;"</p>
<p>I take silly as a compliment.  Obviously I don&#8217;t take myself very seriously, although I&#8217;m serious about men&#8217;s issues (I have my reasons, but you don&#8217;t seem intellectually curious, you just like to spout off.)  Have you read the poem &#8220;Jabberwocky&#8221;.  It&#8217;s very basis is silly and childlike.  Sorry that I have the creative spirit of a 17 year old, many great thinkers are attributed with possessing an inate childlike sense of wonder and awe towards the world.  You wouldn&#8217;t know anything about being young at heart, not since you had your bastard child anyways.  And uneducated?  I graduated college with honors and read books on a regular basis.  I&#8217;m currently reading Howard Gardner&#8217;s &#8220;Creating Minds&#8221;.  What do you read, Cosmo?</p>
<p>And I was fired as an art teacher by the female vice principals because they were feminazi&#8217;s who were intimitated by the magic a rookie male teacher was working at their low socio-economic school, so they trumped up some charges about classroom management issues, and during a transition of male principals, axed me.  I&#8217;ll tell you the whole story if your interested.  I didn&#8217;t bow down to bullies when I was a little kid, I don&#8217;t bow down to anyone, and yet manage to show respect where respect is due, like to several of the people you are condescendingly engaged in debate with, despite their moderate tones.</p>
<p>And right now I work for a guy (no women here at all thank god) that I grew up down the street from.  Cushy job is an understatement.  How do you think I debate on blogs all day.  My true passion is to be an artist.  Status in the art world is all I aspire for.  If I cared about money and the finer things in life, do you think I&#8217;d be a struggling artist.  Plus, I grew up solidly middleclass, bordering on upper middleclass if my mom hadn&#8217;t divorced my dad and split his assets, so I know what its like to have material possessions.  Its overrated. I&#8217;m pursuing my bliss, not happiness.  Its a very important difference.</p>
<p>And I use big words because little words are less fun.  Indubiously.</p>
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		<title>By: not an idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>not an idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lady Raine

A sharp stick of a few words leads to many paragraphs of rant.

Indeed an excellent return on investment, heh heh!</description>
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<p>A sharp stick of a few words leads to many paragraphs of rant.</p>
<p>Indeed an excellent return on investment, heh heh!</p>
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		<title>By: Arbitrary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arbitrary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal statistics do indeed demonstrate that the overwhelming majority of the people who have the least degree of self control are male.  This does not reduce the validity of my point; an overwhelming fraction of inventors and philosophers of ages past were also male, and they exemplify my point regarding the opposite end of the spectrum.

Women, statistically largely occupying the space somewhere in between, are more consistent in their degree of self-control which makes them a more stable choice for the tasks you have suggested in maintaining social structures that are the mainstay of society.  Assessing where the average of the two populations is or was is a difficult task at best, and an impossible one at worst.  but to disagree with the claim that the highest heights of ability are generally statistically male is indeed to disagree with reality.

Furthermore, surely you must realize (based on the list of feminine self-control tasks you have provided; namely, waiting to be chased, selecting with whom to reproduce, and being primary caregiver to young children) that feminism has worked directly against the standards of self control society has previously placed upon women.  When you lower the standards, you reduce the quality of the results, even amongst those who could have met higher standards.  This causes women today to tend to have significantly worse self-control skills than those of generations past, even if the distribution of talent is the same.

The idea that self-control is a masculine quality is, to some extent an illusion induced by this (together with its importance to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/12/06/alphas-male-hierarchy-and-the-form/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;masculine form&lt;/a&gt;).  But the fact of the matter is that, like most other qualities, self-control exhibits greater variance among men than among women; the paragons of self control to which one can thus look are typically male rather than female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal statistics do indeed demonstrate that the overwhelming majority of the people who have the least degree of self control are male.  This does not reduce the validity of my point; an overwhelming fraction of inventors and philosophers of ages past were also male, and they exemplify my point regarding the opposite end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>Women, statistically largely occupying the space somewhere in between, are more consistent in their degree of self-control which makes them a more stable choice for the tasks you have suggested in maintaining social structures that are the mainstay of society.  Assessing where the average of the two populations is or was is a difficult task at best, and an impossible one at worst.  but to disagree with the claim that the highest heights of ability are generally statistically male is indeed to disagree with reality.</p>
<p>Furthermore, surely you must realize (based on the list of feminine self-control tasks you have provided; namely, waiting to be chased, selecting with whom to reproduce, and being primary caregiver to young children) that feminism has worked directly against the standards of self control society has previously placed upon women.  When you lower the standards, you reduce the quality of the results, even amongst those who could have met higher standards.  This causes women today to tend to have significantly worse self-control skills than those of generations past, even if the distribution of talent is the same.</p>
<p>The idea that self-control is a masculine quality is, to some extent an illusion induced by this (together with its importance to the <a href="http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/12/06/alphas-male-hierarchy-and-the-form/" rel="nofollow">masculine form</a>).  But the fact of the matter is that, like most other qualities, self-control exhibits greater variance among men than among women; the paragons of self control to which one can thus look are typically male rather than female.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Raine</title>
		<link>http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/21/self-control-a-masculine-quality/#comment-13730</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Raine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arbitrary--

I understand the point you are trying to make, but that doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s true.

You can not say my argument isn&#039;t &quot;reality&quot; because Criminal Statistics PROVE who the &quot;loose cannons&quot; of this world are.  Men are more inclined to starting wars over nothing, becoming violent, lashing out aggressively, &quot;controlling&quot; through rape and murder, and even mass-murdering complete strangers because of something &quot;women&quot; did to him once.

How often do you see women do that?  Look at the stats.  It&#039;s rare.  You cannot call &quot;statistical fact&quot; an &quot;opinion&quot; on my part.

What I am saying is that I understand that women are more emotionally mutable than men in general (meaning going from one end of the spectrum to another without any rhyme or reason) .....but in terms of &quot;self-control&quot; women have ALWAYS been expected to be the ones who exercise &quot;control&quot;.

Think about how women were supposed to remain &quot;mysterious&quot; and &quot;elusive&quot; and NOT jump on the first dick that walks by....(self-control).  That women are supposed to be able to handle raising the kids without losing their minds (self-control) that women have always held the keys to sex &amp; reproduction...why?  Again....self-control.  

Can you deny that if men &quot;held the keys&quot; to things like sex, reproduction, and the function of &quot;family&quot; that it would be like a Hedonistic Resort/WarZone all across the planet in a matter of days?

I am not trying to &quot;insult all men&quot; in my statements....it&#039;s just that what (most) the posters here are saying is absolutely ridiculous, factually inaccurate, and statistically just plain old UNTRUE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arbitrary&#8211;</p>
<p>I understand the point you are trying to make, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>You can not say my argument isn&#8217;t &#8220;reality&#8221; because Criminal Statistics PROVE who the &#8220;loose cannons&#8221; of this world are.  Men are more inclined to starting wars over nothing, becoming violent, lashing out aggressively, &#8220;controlling&#8221; through rape and murder, and even mass-murdering complete strangers because of something &#8220;women&#8221; did to him once.</p>
<p>How often do you see women do that?  Look at the stats.  It&#8217;s rare.  You cannot call &#8220;statistical fact&#8221; an &#8220;opinion&#8221; on my part.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that I understand that women are more emotionally mutable than men in general (meaning going from one end of the spectrum to another without any rhyme or reason) &#8230;..but in terms of &#8220;self-control&#8221; women have ALWAYS been expected to be the ones who exercise &#8220;control&#8221;.</p>
<p>Think about how women were supposed to remain &#8220;mysterious&#8221; and &#8220;elusive&#8221; and NOT jump on the first dick that walks by&#8230;.(self-control).  That women are supposed to be able to handle raising the kids without losing their minds (self-control) that women have always held the keys to sex &amp; reproduction&#8230;why?  Again&#8230;.self-control.  </p>
<p>Can you deny that if men &#8220;held the keys&#8221; to things like sex, reproduction, and the function of &#8220;family&#8221; that it would be like a Hedonistic Resort/WarZone all across the planet in a matter of days?</p>
<p>I am not trying to &#8220;insult all men&#8221; in my statements&#8230;.it&#8217;s just that what (most) the posters here are saying is absolutely ridiculous, factually inaccurate, and statistically just plain old UNTRUE.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbitrary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arbitrary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You argument is fundamentally fallacious, and again misrepresents both my position and reality.  The fact of the matter is that the distribution of ability for men with respect to self control has a greater variance than that of women (just as the distribution of most traits has a greater variance among men than among women); men thus occupy a greater fraction of both the top and the bottom of this curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You argument is fundamentally fallacious, and again misrepresents both my position and reality.  The fact of the matter is that the distribution of ability for men with respect to self control has a greater variance than that of women (just as the distribution of most traits has a greater variance among men than among women); men thus occupy a greater fraction of both the top and the bottom of this curve.</p>
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