Where are the World’s Most Beautiful Women?

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by W.F. Price on October 20, 2009

We all know that there are beautiful women all over the world, but some must be more beautiful than others. I am curious as to where readers think the most beautiful of all can be found, and how they compare to our own home-grown girls, so I’ve included a few photos depicting women from various places around the world. I’ve tried to limit the photos to natural shots, taken without the benefit of special lighting or photoshopping, and with normal girls rather than professional models.

The top photo is of a Dutch girl in Amsterdam, where women and men alike ride bicycles to get around town, honing their already impressive, tall physiques. Personally, I think the women of the Netherlands and Denmark are probably the best looking European women of all, but of course they may not be everyone’s favorite. And, to be honest, despite the fact that I find them the most physically attractive, I also think they are lacking in some other traits, such as feminine allure, which Mediterranean women tend to have in abundance. Below is a picture of a Spanish woman:

Looking far to the east, I’ve found a photo of a Mongolian girl in traditional dress. One might not think of Mongols as particularly attractive, but some of them most definitely are. Their cat-like eyes and high cheekbones give them an exotic appeal that can draw one’s gaze for for a while.

For those who like to vacation on the sunny beaches of SE Asia, the attractive women of Thailand are much more than a side benefit. In fact, they play an integral role in the Thai tourism industry, and the country promotes itself largely on the slim shoulders of its pretty young women.

Of course, no list would be complete without Eastern European women, who have taken the world by storm following the collapse of the Iron Curtain. Here in the Anglosphere, they have become the stuff of dreams for men chained to a mannish, aggressive and often overweight native wife.

And in Africa, there are beautiful women living in the Northeast, around the area where the Horn of Africa juts up underneath the Arabian Peninsula. Both Ethiopian and Somali women are renowned for their beauty, many having become famous for their stunning figures combined with soft, feminine features.

Naturally, there are beautiful women in pretty much every corner of the earth, so it would be interesting to hear of wondrous undiscovered sources of female beauty. I encourage readers to offer their opinions, and to speculate on why some places seem to have an abundance of beauty while others appear to have less.

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Wombatty October 20, 2009 at 10:49

Wow – the Spanish babe & the eastern-European hottie – dilemas, dilemas…

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 10:50

Ehh…ALL of the above ???…..;)

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 10:54

I’m a woman but I’ll give my opinion anyway.

I know about 20 Ethiopian/Eritrean women (there are a lot of them in Germany) and they’re all very attractive. But I’ve never actually been there so it might have just been an advantageous selection. Although the chances of that…

So I’ll go with… Eastern European. Okay, my family is originally from the Czech Republic, so I’m obviously biased. But when you’re there you can pretty much throw a rock (not recommended, just a figure of speech!) and hit a total babe. It must be in the water, or something.

My husband would say Spain.

I’m thinking: genetic diversity? (Okay, you all knew I was going to say that but I just couldn’t help myself. LOL.)

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Thursday October 20, 2009 at 10:58

A few cities that I always hear getting mentioned as having especially hot women: Calgary, Stockholm, Montreal, Barcelona.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 10:58

As far as “fat native wives” goes, in the US at least, there are lots of things to blame it on, but it’s really hard to pinpoint why people (men and women) in the US are more likely to be overweight than anywhere else. I mean, yeah, the fast food restaurants are there, but that doesn’t mean you have to go to them every day.

I like Dove’s Campaign for Real Beauty, which is comprised of images of women who are not stick-thin and stunningly gorgeous but embody some of the more subtle traits both women and men can find appealing–clear skin, health, curves, and most notably a smiling female face. Only a certain type of woman can look hot while staring like a tigress directly into a camera. Almost any woman can improve her attractiveness by, you know, smiling.

That said, Dove’s campaign still doesn’t reflect the norm. A friend of mine just spent almost six months down in the States, and couldn’t believe how fat most of the women there are even compared to up here in Canuckyland. And half the women she was talking about hadn’t even had kids yet–though they were married, for the most part.

I wonder if this is another symptom of weak sexual agency in women. A woman should want to be attractive not only to attract a man, but also so she can like what she sees when she looks in the mirror. The tendency of “off with the make-up, on with the pounds” when women get married drives me bugfuck, because it’s like they’re saying “this body belongs to my husband, and now that he’s bought it, I have no incentive to take care of it”. And then they wonder what they did wrong when their men lose interest in them.

As for women who have had kids, the push to discourage breastfeeding in the US does them and their husbands (and their children) a huge disservice. Almost every woman in my town bemoaning the fact that she couldn’t shake a pound of the baby weight admitted to me that she’d “tried breastfeeding for a week or two, but gave up”. Chances are a woman will never quite get her old body back after popping out a kid or two, but breastfeeding can help you get to within ten pounds of it.

P.S. That Spanish woman is so sexy. Yowza.

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Wombatty October 20, 2009 at 11:03

After much deliberation, I’ve made my decision – come hither my Spanish flower…lol

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zed October 20, 2009 at 11:05

The eyes of the Eastern European woman are mesmerizing.

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Novaseeker October 20, 2009 at 11:15

I’ve seen attractive women in most places around the world I have visited, but the proportions are different — wildly so. A part of that is personal preference, of course.

When I was living in Europe in the 90s I perceived things as follows: of Western Europeans, the Dutch were perhaps the most naturally beautiful, the French the best dressers. I remember my first time in Paris in the 1980s when it was very noticeable how much better the French women were, at that point in time, in dressing themselves. Of course the men there are well-dressed as well.

Eastern Europe, however, is incredible in terms of the raw percentage of women who are beautiful as a percentage of the entire population. Poland, the Baltics, Russia, the Czech and Slovak Republics, Hungary — all of them are in the disproportionate category, but again not equally so. I would say in my own experience that the Baltics, the Czech Rep and Russia lead the pack in percentages. There are differences in demeanor between these places, however, and that also needs to be taken into account.

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Indomitable Thoughts October 20, 2009 at 11:28

Beware of a potential deluge of “code gold” shaming tactics when bringing this up around women…

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 11:33

Seems a few already have a preference for the Spanish woman. I’d concur. She’d get the most attention from me if they were all together in a room. There’s something hot behind that sultry look.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 11:33

@Indomitable Thoughts

Given how explosive some of the other very mild topics here have been, I suspect Welmer is setting out bait to lure in just such a deluge.

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Kevin K October 20, 2009 at 11:35

I wonder how much of the fad for East European women comes from so much porn coming from there. Hot first world women don’t do a lot of porn (or so it seems). However, of the pictures you showed the EEuro is the winner.

In any case, I was just in Germany where there were an abundance of tall and stylish babeage, so I will say Germany.

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valmont October 20, 2009 at 11:38

you want the truth? the best looking women live in Estonia in my opinion

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Jabherwochie October 20, 2009 at 11:48

I wonder if there are more fat uglies in the states because we are a country of immigrants, and most immigrants come to escape poverty, meaning they were from the lower classes, and most likely weren’t attractive because of that, as attractive women had the oppurtunity to marry up in their countries of origin.
The same thing has been proposed as to why we have so many ADD and risk taking personalities in the USA, because the people who would flee here were more than likely to be risk takers or restless.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada October 20, 2009 at 11:53

Interesting, I was just having this debate with a guy the other day.
I mean seriously. Of course this is all subjective, but I think we can all agree that the Miss Universe pageant is the benchmark for beauty across cultures.

And the women from Latin America have owned Miss Universe crown for the last decade–6 out of 10 times.

Of those, only one country, Venezuela, has won the Miss Universe title 6 times (only the U.S. has more with 7) and has accomplished a feat no other country in the history of the contest has done: won consecutive titles in 2008-09.

Venezuela has the world’s most beautiful women.

Is that hype?
You tell me…

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kis October 20, 2009 at 11:57

I’ll also remind you guys it doesn’t do much good in the long run to only look at how gorgeous a country’s young women are. It’s not that hard to be beautiful when you’re young, even if you have to work at it a little.

I had a hard time digging up images of Russian women between 35 and 50, but that young Eastern European hottie could end up looking like this when she’s 55. If you guys espouse traditional values and all that, I hope you’re not expecting even your hot Russian girlfriend to look the way she does forever…

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kis October 20, 2009 at 11:59

I wonder if there are more fat uglies in the states because we are a country of immigrants, and most immigrants come to escape poverty, meaning they were from the lower classes, and most likely weren’t attractive because of that, as attractive women had the oppurtunity to marry up in their countries of origin.

Maybe. Although you’d think hybrid vigor would count for something, right?

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Novaseeker October 20, 2009 at 12:00

It’s a fair point — but it’s also a different question. I think it’s very true that not all countries who have the most beautiful women at 22 (or the higher % of women who are beautiful at that age at least) will be in the same list when the age is shifted to 45.

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Mr.M October 20, 2009 at 12:01

Something tells me I need to travel more…

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kis October 20, 2009 at 12:02

And the women from Latin America have owned Miss Universe crown for the last decade–6 out of 10 times.

Not necessarily. Contestants from Latin America–especially Brazil and Venezuela–often have plastic surgery–everything from nose-jobs to implants–because their countries value the status they earn from the pageant. I don’t know if I’d assume Latin American women are on average more beautiful than anyone else.

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 12:03

It’s a fair point — but it’s also a different question. I think it’s very true that not all countries who have the most beautiful women at 22 (or the higher % of women who are beautiful at that age at least) will be in the same list when the age is shifted to 45.

The (European) women I’ve known who have aged the best have been Scandinavians — and they stayed out of the sun. I’ve met Finnish women who looked good well into their 50s. It was amazing.

Asian women supposedly age well, but in truth they don’t really have a middle age. They are young, and then seemingly overnight they are old.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 12:04

I think, for myself in my quest for a female partner, I’d go for understated looks that have the potential to age gracefully, rather than the “green is gold” thing. I know a lot of really unattractive older women who would have been considered hot when they were in their 20s.

Maybe the best measure would be, who has the most beautiful 35-40 y/o women?

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Zammo October 20, 2009 at 12:05

Venezuela and Colombia. Hubba hubba.

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Hestia October 20, 2009 at 12:08

I spent several years doing makeup in my late teens for a company that catered to woman from a wide array of backgrounds, but was especially popular with women from Eastern Europe who were now living in the US. As a group, I thought these women were not only physically gorgeous but inwardly so as well. They were some of my sweetest and most pleasant clients and ones I actually looked forward to working for time and time again. I cannot sing such high praises of my American clients who were some of the most insane people I have ever had opportunity to come across. The richer the American women were, the more I wanted to run far far away when they came wandering up to me.

On a funny note, many of my clients who were from Asian or Arab countries would be very impressed with my auburn hair and porcelain skin. Quite a few asked how I got my skin to be alabaster, assuming I must have been using a whitening product such as Dior Snow, rather than being born that way. Apparently in their cultures these are seen as very desirable traits. Learning about beauty ideals all around the world was quite a fascinating experience.

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Novaseeker October 20, 2009 at 12:08

If you raise the bar to 35-40, I would say, based again on my own experiences, Holland and France. French women age very, very well, really.

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Jabherwochie October 20, 2009 at 12:09

“hybrid vigor”

Is that a real term? I’m not familiar with it.

As far as hybrid dog and cat species goes, you can get some pretty amazing looking animals, but uncontrolled hybrid breeding seems to create a bunch of muts or street dogs that don’t look too hot. You can’t really compare this to humans, but…well I guess I did.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 12:12

What is “code gold”?

I wonder if this is another symptom of weak sexual agency in women. A woman should want to be attractive not only to attract a man, but also so she can like what she sees when she looks in the mirror. The tendency of “off with the make-up, on with the pounds” when women get married drives me bugfuck, because it’s like they’re saying “this body belongs to my husband, and now that he’s bought it, I have no incentive to take care of it”. And then they wonder what they did wrong when their men lose interest in them.

As for women who have had kids, the push to discourage breastfeeding in the US does them and their husbands (and their children) a huge disservice. Almost every woman in my town bemoaning the fact that she couldn’t shake a pound of the baby weight admitted to me that she’d “tried breastfeeding for a week or two, but gave up”. Chances are a woman will never quite get her old body back after popping out a kid or two, but breastfeeding can help you get to within ten pounds of it.

Co-sign. Everything.

The eyes of the Eastern European woman are mesmerizing.

Yes, they are. My daughter has eyes just like that. It’s hard to stay mad at her because she just LOOKS at me and I melt. Try to be stern, try to be stern…

C’mon! More votes for the Eastern Europeans! We should do a poll.

German women are very good looking.

Definitely. Especially the tall, northern blonds. Like in Berlin. They have the whole “Germanic” thing going on, like in Denmark. But the Eastern European women just seem “softer” somehow; more feminine.

Don’t actually know any Venezuelan women.

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Novaseeker October 20, 2009 at 12:16

What is “code gold”?

Charge of Superficiality (Code Gold) – The All-That-Glitters Charge

Discussion: The charge of superficiality is usually hurled at men with regard to their mating preferences. Examples:

* “If you didn’t go after bimbos, then …”
* “How can you be so shallow and turn down a single mother?”

Response: Average-looking women can be just as problematic in their behavior as beautiful, “high-maintanence” women. Regarding the shallowness of women, popular media furnishes plenty of examples where petty demands are made of men by females (viz., those notorious laundry lists of things a man should/should not do for his girlfriend or wife).

http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 12:19

The (European) women I’ve known who have aged the best have been Scandinavians — and they stayed out of the sun. I’ve met Finnish women who looked good well into their 50s. It was amazing.
That is true. But only when they stay in Scandinavia. Take them to the States and they wrinkle up like a prune. E.g. German women who live in Florida. *shudder*

French women age very, very well, really.
Yes they do! It must be the good food. *grin*

Black women age well, of course. Except in Africa. But if you take them north of the Equator it’s like they’re drinking from the fountain of youth. As long as they don’t get too fat. LOL. But that applies to all women.

American women seem to age super-duper fast. What is up with that?

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kis October 20, 2009 at 12:19

As far as hybrid dog and cat species goes, you can get some pretty amazing looking animals, but uncontrolled hybrid breeding seems to create a bunch of muts or street dogs that don’t look too hot. You can’t really compare this to humans, but…well I guess I did.

Hybrid vigor is not just seen in dogs and cats (who are, as mixed breeds, on average, smarter than their parent breeds), it’s used a lot in horticulture (the pot industry being huge advocates of it). It’s simply the idea that–in general–a biracial anything will be more likely to take on the more desirable genetic characteristics of the parents. I mean, hybrid vigor is the whole reason sexual reproduction began in the first place. A shuffling of the deck to create a stronger organism.

Sometimes it backfires spectacularly–killer beeds, for instance–but usually when both parents are already genetically inferior, or when nature’s ideas of what is desireable do not coincide with man’s.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 12:22

“bees”, not “beeds”.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 12:22

I’m pretty superficial myself, I suppose. I certainly appreciate female beauty, of all types.
I just don’t think it’s enough, know what I mean? It’s just nice to look at.

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Novaseeker October 20, 2009 at 12:30

American women seem to age super-duper fast. What is up with that?

Lack of healthy lifestyle is the main culprit — men and women alike.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 12:30

Maybe the best measure would be, who has the most beautiful 35-40 y/o women?

What nationality is Ellen Burstyn? I think she has been stunning at every stage of life.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 12:32

That Dutch woman is very beautiful, though. Nose is a bit too pointy but she has gorgeous hair. Blonds don’t generally appeal to me (it often has a strange, yellowish or orange tint) but hers is an exception. Can’t see any roots, either.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 12:38

More votes for the Eastern Europeans! We should do a poll.

The woman I have been most intensely in love with in my entire life had a Polish last name. Eastern European women seem to tend to have an earthy womanliness about them which is very appealing quite aside from pure looks.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 12:41

Maybe the best measure would be, who has the most beautiful 35-40 y/o women?
As far as age-maintenance goes, two clear winners in my opinion:
Juliette Binoche (born 1964)
Stacy Dash (born 1966)

The charge of superficiality is usually hurled at men with regard to their mating preferences.
Oh, that’s just typical American-style sour grapes. Some people need to relax.

And now I have to get off the computer.

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Globalman October 20, 2009 at 12:45

Ok guys..I have the winning vid here…sent to me by a woman no less… ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SXNAtwYMBw

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Jabherwochie October 20, 2009 at 12:49

@Kis-

Thanks for the info. I should of known that.

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Talleyrand October 20, 2009 at 12:57

Thursday October 20, 2009 at 10:58 am

“A few cities that I always hear getting mentioned as having especially hot women: Calgary, Stockholm, Montreal, Barcelona.”

Calgary is no different than most North American Cities.

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Paul October 20, 2009 at 12:58

Look just beware. I have had experience of Ukrainian and Russian women and would advise you to be on your guard. They may seem interested but really they only want financial security and children. Just remember that this is Game and not romance and you should be okay. Don’t think marriage with any of them is somehow better that in the USA or UK.

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Hestia October 20, 2009 at 12:59

American women seem to age super-duper fast. What is up with that?
A carb heavy diet, a lack of healthful dietary fats, a lack of exercise, and an obsession with clean skin are all likely culprits. If you look at the beauty regimes used in other parts of the world, they focus on techniques and products that are beneficial for hygiene, good health, and aging gracefully. They include eating well, being well-hydrated, and moisturizing, moisturizing, moisturizing. Their lifestyles are also a bit more sane and health promoting than that of the typical American.

In America, beauty regimes don’t focus on these basic common sense must-dos. Instead, American women are all about obsessively cleansing their skin with harsh alcohol based toners and caustic soaps that strip the skin of beneficial oil. Sunscreen use is also not as prevalent in the US as it is in other parts of the world. Many women seem to think SPF 15 in their foundation is sufficient, when this doesn’t provide any real sun protection at all.

And then there is the obsession with tanning, both in the lying in the sun form and artificial tanning beds. Both cause immediate damage in the form of dry, irritated skin that becomes temperamental and out of balance and of course the long term wrinkles and damage that will result in later years.

The damage does come quicker than many realize. I’ve never laid out in the sun or went to a tanning bed and wear sun protection religiously, in the form of clothing, hats, and sunscreen. Many of my high school classmates did not and now at just 23-25ish, you can tell the difference between us. I’m even mistaken for being sixteen quite frequently. I’m not sure who these folks think the three year old child is…maybe my sister? LOL. In later years this will surely be more dramatic. My parents are both fair and have never sun worshiped either and they both look dramatically younger than their peers. My dad will be 58 this week and people routinely think he is in this forties. My mom turned fifty earlier this year and is mistaken for being much younger as well.

People in many countries also maintain a fitness level as part of their lifestyle, rather than focusing on the hardcore and damaging routines that are part of American fitness. Think of the many people wh0 walk or ride bikes as their usual form of transportation. If you do this in the States as I do (we only have one vehicle and my husband uses it; my vehicle is my bike with seat for my daughter, our feet, our the bus), you are a real oddity. Such a lifestyle is just not possible for many people, due to a lack of public transit or an area that is not walker friendly, but for many Americans, they are just too lazy to stroll 1/4 mile on a nice day to pick up a gallon of milk.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 13:02

@Kis-

Thanks for the info. I should of known that.

No prob. Just remember when you see an ugly mutt (I’m talking canine’s here) trotting down the street, that a human’s idea of what’s attractive and desireable in a dog may be completely different from another dog’s. Could be those ugly mutts are the most highly desireable to potential mates because other dogs can sniff out their health and general fitness, and resistance to disease.

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21Guns October 20, 2009 at 13:03

Lack of healthy lifestyle is the main culprit — men and women alike.

To be more specific: Too much sun, horrible diet, and lousy attitude.

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Jabherwochie October 20, 2009 at 13:08

@kis-

Can’t argue with your logic.

See how logic is great. I wish more women would use it.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 13:12

Such a lifestyle is just not possible for many people, due to a lack of public transit or an area that is not walker friendly, but for many Americans, they are just too lazy to stroll 1/4 mile on a nice day to pick up a gallon of milk.

Suburban sprawl has a lot to do with this. People in charge of zoning need to give their heads a shake. All the housing developments of the last 30 years in the small city where I grew up (which has tripled in population during that time), offer no services at all within walking or even biking distance. It’s not a ten minute walk to the corner store like in my old neighborhood. Some of these places, you’d have to walk an hour and a half each way to get to a convenience store, and two or three to get to a place where you could buy an apple.

And then everyone bemoans the “vehicle culture” and how everyone drives everywhere. Honestly, if you want people to leave their cars in the driveway, give them some fucking options when all they need is a carton of eggs and a stick of butter.

I think a lot of it also has to do with more sedentary jobs. Sitting in offices, that kind of thing. If you’re not walking from the bus stop to the office, you’re not getting any exercise unless you go (drive!) to the gym.

I like my job because I’m moving the whole time I’m there. And lifting some heavy dishes all the time. Everyone’s always shocked when I flex my biceps, because they’re HUGE compared to the average woman. I don’t work out. I just work.

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justinian October 20, 2009 at 13:21

Why is everyone forgetting Brazil?

Alessandra Ambrosio, Adriana Lima, Ana Beatriz Barros, Ana Claudia Michels, Aline Nakashima – that is just the “As” in former Victoria’s Secret models.

In addition to being very beautiful, Brazilian women are sexy and positive. Contrast the attitude of a Brazilian woman with your typical Eastern European woman.

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Hestia October 20, 2009 at 13:29

People in charge of zoning need to give their heads a shake.
Agreed. My husband’s career has required us to live in several states since we got married and to see the difference in options in car-free living during this time has been interesting. When we were stationed in a tourist town area, the bus system was decent–not the best, not the worst–and the “walkability” of our area was wonderful. I survived without using a car at all when my husband was TDY for two months at one point and could get everything I needed and then some. Here our Walk Score was around 85.

While living near a large-ish city in the SE, the public transit was terrible and there was hardly anywhere to walk. Using my bike, I could get to several places but drivers were not pedestrian friendly one bit, so I was always a bit weary of riding around. The Walk Score from our home there was maybe a 30.

Now where we live, the public transit is great. Even out in the semi-rural area where we live there is bus service that can bring me anywhere I’d like to go, perhaps with my feet or bike being utilized for the last 1.5 miles or less in a few instances. I find it baffling to see numerous bus stops out here in the boonies while there was hardly a single stop in the SE city I just came from. Weird planning and zoning, that is for sure.

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 13:32

One country that is good is Taiwan.

While almost no women are 10s in Taiwan, there are also virtually no young women below a 5. This is because there are no fatties, and they have a good facial structure and complexion.

So virtually all young women are in the 5-9 range. This keeps the average high not through an abundance of 10s, but rather due to a strong floor at the bottom. No girl is below a 5.

Another place with a lot of hotties is Iran. Check out the Iranian chicks in Los Angeles.

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 13:34

American women seem to age super-duper fast. What is up with that?

Bad diet.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 13:38

and bad attitude. A sunny disposition always makes people seem younger than a chip on their shoulder and a face like they have been sucking on a lemon.

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Jared October 20, 2009 at 13:45

I just want to make one point – I’m shocked at how many people say Dutch women are beautiful as I found them to be some the ugliest and most masculine women on the plant!

The woman in the above photo might have been in Amsterdam but is almost certainly NOT Dutch, probably some kind of Eastern European transplant, or at least she is very unusual for a Dutch woman. Her features are way too delicate.

Dutch women typically have awful bodies (few hourglass figures) and masculine faces with poor symmetry and features, and what is so striking about the ugliness of Dutch women is that the men are the exact opposite! Dutch men are some of the most handsome on the planet.

And it’s not that I have anything again Nordic features – I think Scandinavian women are some of the prettiest women anywhere!

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dragnet October 20, 2009 at 13:51

Co-sign on the Persian chicks. Also Lebanese, and Israeli women.

Aw fuck it, women in general are just gorgeous :-)

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1n4001 October 20, 2009 at 13:54

I agree with there being lots of hotties in Iran. Persian women seem to age pretty well compared to Americans.

I’ve always been a fan of Eastern European women, probably half of my LTRs were linked to there. Right now I’m finding more Latin American girls more attractive — maybe in part due to living in FL and there being no shortage of Spanish speaking girls — specifically the Brazilian and Colombian girls. Problem with most of the Hispanic women around here is attitude and weight.

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Globalman October 20, 2009 at 14:02

Black&German October 20, 2009 at 10:54 am
“So I’ll go with Eastern European.”
The swedish women are beautiful blondes but they are undatable……while I was married going shopping on Drottengarten in Stockholm was always the ‘treat of the summer’. After all, it is look but don’t touch as a married man and the chicks there were hot.

But beauty needs to be backed up by something between the ears. And for all round stunning beauty plus interesting conversation she has to have grown up behind the iron curtain. These women have real brains and real ability to engage in interesting conversation.

Want a little example of a russian chick? Check out our little russian friend Marina at hot for words. 260,000 subscribers!! LOL! Shows you what the young men are really interested in…learning new words.. LOL!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/hotforwords#p/u

Try these…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3VQGdqem_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmmELsWBscM&feature=channel

Now..you might find this hard to believe but compared to the women I’ve been dating, she is in the lower third. And she has had 200M views on You-Tube. These young guys really like learning new words…LOL!!

I met one chick from Siberia who was hhhhhooooooooottttttttttt. Indeed, in the end more than I could reasonably handle..LOL!! I am 45 and a little out of shape. I gotta meet more siberian chicks, only a little lower on the performance scale.. ;-)

Paul October 20, 2009 at 12:58 pm
“Look just beware. I have had experience of Ukrainian and Russian women and would advise you to be on your guard.”
All, of course these women are looking for ‘babies and money’. All women are. At least the eastern chicks will TELL you this right up front. And if they don’t you should take it as a standing assumption. ANY women who talks to you wants you to be her slave for the rest of your life paying for her babies and her. You will be correct many more times than you will be wrong. If you move to the east you have much better chances because to be an abandoned single mother in those places is MUCH harder than in the west. Why do you think so many eastern european chicks are coming west…there is a death of ‘marriage material’ in the east and salaries are very low.

I could get married tomorrow if I wanted to. ANY hot eastern chick would run down the asle with a guy who promised ‘babies and money’ if he has plenty of money in the west because she knows as soon as that baby arrives she is in the welfare state and she will be taken care of by hubby or guvmetn. You can’t blame women for doing this.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 14:12

Hestia,
Thanks for the explanation. That would definitely explain it. I always wondered about that.

Suburban sprawl has a lot to do with this. People in charge of zoning need to give their heads a shake.

Amen!!!! I hate the way America is laid out. You have to drive everywhere. Ugh.
I go downtown and walk around a lot and go to the park most days with my kids. One big thing I’ve noticed here is that there’s hardly anybody outside if it’s at all cold or rainy. We’re often the only ones. I always think: where did all of the people go?
I usually jog around my neighborhood but, due to the lack of street lamps (insanity!) and sidewalks (insanity x 2), I have to drive to the gym every morning now. It’s too dark to even see where I’m running.

I really miss Germany. With all the bike paths, I lived there for over 10 years and never owned a car. Just public transportation and bicycle. I was so fit and I never had to get on a stupid treadmill. Running in place. Nyeh.

The woman in the above photo might have been in Amsterdam but is almost certainly NOT Dutch, probably some kind of Eastern European transplant, or at least she is very unusual for a Dutch woman. Her features are way too delicate.

LOL. I actually thought the same thing, at first. But I think she might be at least part-Dutch (that pointy nose). The big eyes and the nice cheekbones point east, though.
As far as men go, though, yeah the Dutch are pretty darn awesome. Everytime I’m over there I’m in heaven. It’s so hard not to stare. There was this Dutch guy I worked with… let’s just say: drool worthy. :-)
And they were all over me like white-on-rice (excuse the pun), which is always pleasant. At least it’s pleasant if they’re handsome Dutchmen. LOL.

One country that is good is Taiwan.

Yeah, I was wondering why East Asia was getting such short shrift. And what about those great-looking SE Asian babes?
http://cdn-write.demandstudios.com/upload//9000/900/50/0/69950.jpg

But I’m sticking with the Eastern Europeans. Gotta stay with my peeps.
Oh, man! If I could post a picture of my cousin this whole conversation would be immediately over. Czech girls win, hands down! Really, there’s just no competition.

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Deborah October 20, 2009 at 14:18

French women may not be the most beautiful of the other categories mentioned, but they do have a big advantage:

A killer metabolism

This is why the French can consume several meals a day, rich and fatty meals, while maintaining their slim physiques.

People often ask me how I stay so skinny, I think it could be partially because I’m part French. I know a French woman who didn’t start putting on the pounds until after she had her fourth child.

Therefore, if you want to marry a woman who will stay slim into her 50′s, you have a good bet with a belle femme française

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Deborah October 20, 2009 at 14:24

Thai Girls are sweet hearts.

A happy face and a friendly demeanor is central to the Thai concept of beauty.

On an episode of America’s Next Top Model, the American models had to meet the expectations of a Thai modeling agency: punctuality, politeness, femininity, and a smiling face.

Guess what? These hot headed, drama queen, frumpy divas all failed the competition miserably, and I laughed my butt off.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 14:32

Co-sign on the Persian chicks. Also Lebanese, and Israeli women.

Aw fuck it, women in general are just gorgeous

Awww. On behalf of womankind, thanks!

ANY women who talks to you wants you to be her slave for the rest of your life paying for her babies and her.

Don’t you mean your babies and her. And no, don’t go getting into custody and divorce laws. You seem to have a weird dichotomy of thinking here. Your angry your wife left you and the legal system helped her give you the shaft, yet at the same time, you act as if you would hate the idea of being in a marriage supporting your wife and kids, too. And they are your kids, but the very way you define marriage–unless I’m misinterpreting your comment, which I might be–as supporting “her babies and her” just…I don’t know. I mean, is the world you envision one where all the women over 25 are destitute single mothers, and men just go for the next childless young hottie in the queue because anything else is slavery for a man?

I’m not trying to provoke, just trying to understand where you’re coming from. I know you’ve been burned, but your comment seems like you hate your wife for leaving, but you would have hated her for staying, too. If I’ve read your comment wrong, and your use of “slavery” referred to the post-divorce situation for many men, then please disregard my question.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 14:39

This is why the French can consume several meals a day, rich and fatty meals, while maintaining their slim physiques.

French women largely have that high metabolism because of what they eat. If more North Americans ate the way French and Mediterranean women did, they’d be a lot skinnier.

I mean, I’m 38, 5’8″, and 140 lbs, most of it muscle. And I use half and half on my cereal because milk doesn’t cut it. If I use even whole milk, I have to eat two bowls of the stuff to fill me up. I eat a lot. I don’t exercise, other than at work. And I don’t even keep bread in the house.

When I was young and skinnier, I ate probably twice as many calories a day as my 6 foot tall, 195 lb husband, but other than at mealtimes we ate very differently. He ate more of a traditional North American “healthy” diet, I ate lots of high-fat but unprocessed foods.

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Niiice... October 20, 2009 at 14:52

South Asia, Japan, and SE Asia are tops for me. In-shape Black women would be my #2. Brazilians my #3…seriously impressive variety of body types, skin colors, styles in that country.

I find myself being less and less attracted to Caucasian women in general, even the Russian/European types, unless there is something really exotic about her style. They all are starting to look really generic to me for some reason.

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Jared October 20, 2009 at 15:06

Kis -

The French eat TONS of bread, bread is a HUGE deal in France and practically every French meal has bread in it. A traditional French breakfast is a baguette or a croissant with butter and a cafe au lait.

The only way to be thin is to eat less, there’s no magic to it. The French are thin because their culture still has standards for appearance, whereas American culture is about breaking down standards in all areas of life – all those messages we send young girls in America that it’s okay to be fat, it’s “unrealistic” to be thin, and that caring too much about your appearance is “pretentious”, well, the French don’t tell their young girls that. All of continental Europe is thinner than America, and they all love bread, rice, and potatoes and eat tons of it, but they are all less egalitarian and democratic than America, and thus don’t buy into the idea that looking good is “elitist”.

Either that, or it’s because they eat much less sugar.

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tspoon October 20, 2009 at 15:10

Just my .02… if aging well is a concern (and it should be) then it’s hard to go past women from asia. They stay out of the sun if possible, and generally remain slim and take reasonable care of themselves physically.

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Greg October 20, 2009 at 15:14

The low down on Asian girls – great bodies, so-so to awful faces. If Asian girls had good faces, that’d be a nice combo!

The percentage of Asian chics with decent faces is probably 5%, and at that rate, even American girls have a higher rate of nice, thin bodies, so going Asian unfortunately really doesn’t add up.

That being said, Thai girls have really sweet personalities (now if we could only do something about their faces!)

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 15:16

Some NE Asians, including some Japanese, have quite attractive faces (although Japanese tend to have poorly-shaped legs). Some of the Turkic/Altaic (e.g. Manchu) women are quite Eurasian looking, and not bad at all.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 15:17

Aw fuck it, women in general are just gorgeous

:-) Thanks.

My husband agrees with you. And he likes the topic. His vote:
Women are hot.
Gorgeous women are hotter.
Gorgeous women who dress well and speak Spanish are even hotter.
Therefore, Madrid wins.
You’ve gotta love logic.

But he’s disappointed that more people don’t vote for the Germans. After all, Germany has such VARIETY. And we’ve got Heidi Klum. Don’t we get extra points for Heidi?

They all are starting to look really generic to me for some reason.
Oh, that’s easy to explain. Overexposure.

French women largely have that high metabolism because of what they eat.
True that. I eat a French-type diet and the American women’s jaws drop when they see me eat. I’m not skinny though, just in good shape. But I can eat pretty much whatever I want and lose weight. Lots of fatty cheese. Camembert is my favorite. And wine. Good wine is important. And good beer.

But it’s also the lifestyle. Lots of movement and relaxation.

And the portions. Eat normal portions instead of those jumbo-gigantic Applebees ones. One reason why I rarely eat out. Except for sushi. I LOOOVE sushi.

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Lethargio October 20, 2009 at 15:22

Most of the time, beautiful women crave to live ‘beautiful’ lifestyles. This is their desire, their reference point, their compass, e.g., ‘Elle’ and anything ‘glam’, therefore high maintenance I say.

Beautiful women have high standards, act in a financially ‘relative’ way rather than in a financially ‘survivalist’ way. Beautiful women are bought into unattainable dreams by advertising, rendering them gullible creatures who have their aspirations forged.

‘Round my area there are many less affluent Eastern European women, extremely beautiful. A lot of them pushing prams and they seem very family oriented, it’s like their default instinct, hardwired…

But more and more it seems like they are only driven by a glamorous, shiny mag culture.

Can’t blame them, their socio-economic aspiration (but to what end?), yet because of the way they portray themselves I can’t help but objectify them.

Someone on Spearhead wrote that successful women actually tend to seek someone equal or more successful than themselves (Glass Ceiling article). The same goes for unsuccessful beautiful women. I can’t imagine them dating someone who can’t help them ‘live the dream’. But it is an onus placed upon men beyond compare.

Beautiful women can probably have any man they want, therefore the current dater is held in a paralysed state of contention, always one step behind, aways having to please her in a variety of financial ways to keep her ‘entertained’.

But they will always have their dreams set to unrealistic levels, I’m convinced. Even your ‘girl next door’ types are being sucked into wanting little else other than ‘a high life’ beyond men’s abilities to provide.

And you don’t see like an Eastern European hippy type or just someone different that really stands out, it’s all glam and brand names. They look good but they’re becoming mediocre. Just realising how weird this is…

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 15:23

If American women spent more time eating good bread with butter on it, washing it down with a nice Riesling, and taking an after-dinner stroll they’d all be thin.

The French eat TONS of bread, bread is a HUGE deal in France and practically every French meal has bread in it. A traditional French breakfast is a baguette or a croissant with butter and a cafe au lait.

Definitely lots of bread. But good bread, not this rubber-bread stuff they try to sell you over here.
I despise French breakfast, though. Austrians have the best breakfasts by far.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada October 20, 2009 at 15:34

@kis October 20, 2009 at 12:02 pm

And the women from Latin America have owned Miss Universe crown for the last decade–6 out of 10 times.

Not necessarily. Contestants from Latin America–especially Brazil and Venezuela–often have plastic surgery–everything from nose-jobs to implants–because their countries value the status they earn from the pageant. I don’t know if I’d assume Latin American women are on average more beautiful than anyone else.

LOL, I understand what you’re saying, but that’s like saying Bonds’ home run record doesn’t count cuz he juiced. I say, ‘so what?’ He did, and so did the pitchers he faced. When other countries start winning like (the US and) Latin American countries, I’ll listen to what they have to say.

Besides, if you paint Latin America with that boogey-man brush, paint the rest of them with it as well. Case in point: looks like ex Miss California (USA) Carrie Prejean has to give back 5 dimes for (gasp!) breast implants.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/10/20/miss.california.usa.suit/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

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kis October 20, 2009 at 15:35

Either that, or it’s because they eat much less sugar.

I think that’s probably it. And though I don’t eat bread much at all, I do eat pasta and rice and potatoes. And a lot of vegetables. It’s kind of…you need balance. All this bullshit about low fat this and low fat that–I mean, you’ll get thinner eating baked potatoes with butter and cheese and bacon bits on them than you will eating them with nothing, because with no fat or protein to temper it, it’s just sugar. And you need two of them instead of one to feel full.

And we’ve been told to be scared of meat. WTF? Our eyes are in the front of our heads. We’re omnivores, not herbivores. But oh, you can eat meat, as long as it’s no more than three ounces a day and it doesn’t have any fat in it. Wrong again. Fat content in meat has only gotten lower and lower, and people have gotten fatter and fatter.

The French eat a lot of unprocessed foods–they may be prepared, but they’re not processed per se. I’ve found that the closer a food is to its natural state, the better it will be for you. Margarine is a huge problem. Butter is much less bad for you, and actually has some health benefits. Hydrogenated oils and sugars, I think is a lot of the problem. Bad bad bad.

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whiskey October 20, 2009 at 15:36

I did a post on girls from the 1940′s compared to Madonna of today on my site. One thing that stood out: the Wartime HS girls looked near-adults, and Madonna over 50 looked like an aging teen-ager. It was shocking. One other thing of note was that the women from the period 1933-1945 were much thinner.

You can see them on my site (the post “Women and Guns”) and it contains links to the National Archives of photos taken under the WPA and Wartime boards of that time period.

My own theory is that the auto has in America allowed many good things, including the end of segregation/Jim Crow by allowing-enabling White Flight to suburban neighborhoods, but the distance creating safety requires the private car. Which means people don’t just walk around like they do in Europe or other places.

Europe of course has its own problems with public safety — young women are increasingly harassed by Muslim men, some in Scandanavia dyeing their hair black, and wearing Muslim clothes with anti-rape belts. The process of pushing Muslims out to the suburbs and reserving the city centers for Europeans seems to be ending as the whole continent collapses under PC.

Muslim women are famously unattractive, given their sedentary seclusion and obesity issues that mirror car-bound Americans, Black, White, and Latino.

It seems the formula for female beauty is: relatively safe zones for women plus lots of walking around and activity in daily life plus healthy diet/food plus personal freedom (no chadors) equals feminine beauty.

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Brian Dunbar October 20, 2009 at 15:36

Philippines, hands down.

Too bad we gave up Subic bay – that was a great place for liberty.

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Hestia October 20, 2009 at 15:38

Jared- Either that, or it’s because they eat much less sugar.
This plays a huge role and was part of the carb heaviness of the American diet I made reference to earlier. Here *everything* is sweetened, even items that shouldn’t be, like mustard as one example. Many foods that might not be sweetened in Europe will be sweetened here, including many pastries. Pâte à choux and pate brisee are not traditionally sweetened yet many American restaurants and home cooks will sweeten these items to be palatable to taste buds here. We’ve all become sugar addicts accustomed to a sweetness level that is uniquely ours.

American processed foods are chock full of high fructose corn syrup and other nasty additives that wreak havoc on the adrenal system and waist line. Even many “health foods” are full of sweetener. A European friend of mine jokes that when at the health food store, one must be skeptical and not forget which country they are purchasing their “health”food in. Sad but true.

Eat normal portions instead of those jumbo-gigantic Applebees ones.
Unless it’s veggies. In that case, quadruple the usual Applebees portion size one, dress them & season well, and eat up. Yummy! We’re big veggie fans around here. :)

One reason why I rarely eat out. Except for sushi. I LOOOVE sushi.
If you haven’t already, B&G, you must try making your own sushi sometime. Doing so is fun and surprisingly easy. Watching sushi be made always seemed daunting to me, but then my Korean MIL taught me how to make several kinds, plus various kimchee and other Korean dishes and sushi has replaced sandwiches for lunch time ever since.

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someone October 20, 2009 at 15:39

1. Korea & Japan
2. China
3. Rest of Asia
4. Rest of the world

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kis October 20, 2009 at 15:45

And you don’t see like an Eastern European hippy type or just someone different that really stands out, it’s all glam and brand names. They look good but they’re becoming mediocre. Just realising how weird this is…

It’s not weird. Affluent men want hotties. Hotties want affluence. The affluent men in the US got sick of gold-digging, American hotties, and thought somehow that hotties from another culture would be better. But once the hotties of that culture caught on, all the gold-digging hotties saw their free ride. They might be nice and respectful and attentive to you–until you marry them, or get them their green card, or they realize they ain’t getting any more out of you than sex and a few laughs. Then they move on to the next guy.

You mess with the bull, you get the horns. Wanna be happy? Go for a 7 who’ll appreciate you. Leave the 10s of both genders to each other.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada October 20, 2009 at 15:53

@kis October 20, 2009 at 3:45 pm

They might be nice and respectful and attentive to you–until you marry them, or get them their green card, or they realize they ain’t getting any more out of you than sex and a few laughs. Then they move on to the next guy.

You mess with the bull, you get the horns. Wanna be happy? Go for a 7 who’ll appreciate you. Leave the 10s of both genders to each other.

LOL, you’re kidding, right? Oh, boy. I wouldn’t even know where to begin…

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 15:55

Kis
“go for a 7″

Thumbs up on all accounts !!

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 16:00

There are entire nationalities where almost no women score 8s or higher.

Have you seen Australian Aborigines? Guatemalans? Sri Lankans? Nigerians?

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 16:01

Fat content in meat has only gotten lower and lower, and people have gotten fatter and fatter.
I don’t eat red meat that often but when I do I go for a rib-eye or rack of lamb. Or bratwurst. Mmm…

Here *everything* is sweetened, even items that shouldn’t be, like mustard as one example.
They even over-sugar the drinks. Yuck!

If you haven’t already, B&G, you must try making your own sushi sometime.
I do. But it just tastes better when it’s perfectly rolled, know what I mean?
Sushi + kimchi + Riesling = my perfect meal. :-)

Go for a 7 who’ll appreciate you. Leave the 10s of both genders to each other.
Second this advice. Although a particularly sweet 8 is alright.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 16:03

American restaurants and home cooks will sweeten these items to be palatable to taste buds here. We’ve all become sugar addicts accustomed to a sweetness level that is uniquely ours.

Pizza sauce. They add more salt than it needs, then sweeten it to cut the saltiness, resulting in that addictive sweet/salt combo that is so subtle you don’t even necessarily notice either one.

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 16:06

Affluent men want hotties. Hotties want affluence.

But a man with Game outperforms a moderately wealthy man.

I have written in detail in the past how a man with ‘Moderate Game’ (which I defined in detail) will do about as well as a man of $2M net worth but with average dating ability.

Game is a disruptive technology within male attractiveness hierarchies.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 16:06

LOL, you’re kidding, right? Oh, boy. I wouldn’t even know where to begin…

Please, begin. I’d like to hear another point of view, since I’ll own I might be missing something…

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 16:10

And the women from Latin America have owned Miss Universe crown for the last decade–6 out of 10 times.

Actually, India has performed very well at Miss Universe from 1993 onwards. Winning twice and finishing in the top 5 several times.

Since Latin America is a region, rather than a country, I would say that India has the strongest track record of any one country in modern times.

Of course, Miss Universe contest performance is not reflective of the quality of women in that country. In India, there are certain groups known to be consistently beautiful, amidst the majority of the masses that are distinctly unimpressive.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:11

On the topic sushi.

Asians also have special spice recipees, that are handed down through generations…

On the topic sugar.

I visited US a couple of years back, an the food almost made me puke due to the large amount of sugar, everything tasted as if it had been dipped in syrup

On the topic girls.

Okay, there is something about that spanish girl…

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zed October 20, 2009 at 16:11

@kis,

You’ve claimed to be a 10, who married a 6 or 7. Was the problem that he didn’t appreciate you?

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Novaseeker October 20, 2009 at 16:12

As for the French and thinness, this is about culture and lifestyle more than diet. They do NOT avoid sweets and sugars, really. They also drink like fish (often not moderate drinking in France), which is not generally a way to stay thin. The reason why they remain thin in spite of this is (1) they are much more active in daily life (walking everywhere and so on, whereas many Americans only walk between their cars and the nearest door), (2) their portion sizes are MUCH smaller than ours are and (3) a serious # of the women eat like Twiggy. Seriously. We had a French lawyer in my office when I was working over in Europe, a woman, and she ate .. almost nothing .. for lunch every day. She would have a sensible dinner (as far as I could tell from the times we went out together in groups as colleagues), but this woman kept her figure by the old fashioned way — eating quite little during much of the day.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:17

Novaseeker

Yeah, thats right, nobody over here in Scandinavia or Europe eats portions of food as LARGE as they do in the US…First time I was served a meal over there, I just looked at the waiter and asked; “You´re kidding, right-This is like two days of food to me !!”

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anonymous October 20, 2009 at 16:21

“Where are the World’s Most Beautiful Women?” Face down in my lap.

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julie October 20, 2009 at 16:21

This is interesting. But what about Indian women?

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 16:25

They do NOT avoid sweets and sugars, really.
But they limit them to foods where they belong and don’t just sprinkle everything with sugar (or *vomit* sweetener). And even their sweets aren’t as sweet as over here.

this woman kept her figure by the old fashioned way — eating quite little during much of the day

Yeah, that’s me. Today: A small bowl of unsweetened oatmeal for breakfast. A slice of buttered bread, an apple, and a chunk of Camembert for lunch. A crabcake and a bit of lettuce for dinner. Lots of unsweetened tea.

I’ll eat rich desserts like creme brulee or chocolate cake but I’ll skip dinner to make room for them. Sometimes I’ll go out to a restaurant and order a small side salad (no bacon, cheese, or dressing) and just fiddle with it while everyone else eats. Then I order a slice of hot apple pie with ice cream for dessert. One must prioritize. There’s only so many calories in a day.

I’m shocked by the sheer quantity of food on American plates. And everything covered in syrup and soaked in brine. *barf*

You want to know about sizes? Compare an eclair in Strasbourg with one in New York. The American one with be 3 times as large and contain 5 times the sugar.

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 16:25

Given where this thread is going, I think I have to open a “food” category.

I’m a cooking hobbyist, and have a love for good food (I’ve lived in both France and China as well, where good food is a cultural mandate). I suppose in France I would be called a “gourmand,” but here in Seattle my choices are unfortunately rather limited.

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 16:28

Oh, sorry. Derailed the thread, huh? I have a bad habit of that. Logging off…

But do a food post. I’ll be there!

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:28

Welmer

Lol!!
We´re humans, right??–More food and sex !!!

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 16:29

You read my mind, Kimski.

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21Guns October 20, 2009 at 16:29

A food category is a good idea, methinks.

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Hestia October 20, 2009 at 16:32

Kimskinovgorod-I visited US a couple of years back, an the food almost made me puke due to the large amount of sugar, everything tasted as if it had been dipped in syrup
LOL, You sound like my husband. He is a first generation American but grew up eating the cooking of his korean mother and aunts and doesn’t have much of a sweet tooth at all. When we first met, I was terrible about sugar but he wound up breaking me of the habit. Once your tastes adjust to life sans syrupy sweet sugar, you can never go back to the blood sugar spike that is most foods.

When many foods are sweetened they lose some of the most important bits of their tastes; the earthiness of whole grains, the pungency and sour notes of fresh kimchee and saurkraut, the richness of dark bittersweet chocolate or cocoa nibs, compared to sweetened counterparts, and the pure sweetness of the best in-season fruit. Or the spiciness of your MIL’s secret recipe spice blend. ;) My kitchen truly would not the same without some of her magic from the country of her birth. :)

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:33

Welmer

Good idea–Guys swapping recipees..LOL!!
We´re the best cooks, so why not…I have a saying in my house: “Woman, get the f… out of my citchen!!”

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 16:34

My husband is a better cook but he makes a huge mess and leaves me the dishes. That’s just not fair.

Hestia, please don’t. I’m drooling. I’m trying to log off here, Woman!

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Fiercely Independent John Nada October 20, 2009 at 16:35

@5th Horseman:

Since Latin America is a region, rather than a country, I would say that India has the strongest track record of any one country in modern times.

Which is why I pointed out earlier that Venezuela is king of the hill, winning the title 6 times (including 2 consecutively 2008-09). The only other country with more wins is USA. Besides, even Puerto Rico has won it 5 times, so your argument about India’s not quite there yet.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:37

Hestia

Could you get me that special spice recipe..I´ve been trying to get hold of one for years,-have asked everywhere where they serve thai-food and so on…Nobody wants to tell me, even when promised not to tell anybody !!!
They hold that particular card VERY close to the body !!!

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:40

B&G

A good cook cleans up the mess, WHILE cooking !

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Hestia October 20, 2009 at 16:42

I suppose in France I would be called a “gourmand,” but here in Seattle my choices are unfortunately rather limited.
But you have Pike Place Market and salmon and cherries and hazelnuts! And berries galore! Maybe the appeal of this goes away after awhile? I’ve only been to PPM a few times but loved the place and would be very broke if I lived closer. The farmers market down my way is already tempting enough. ;)

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 16:49

But you have Pike Place Market and salmon and cherries and hazelnuts! And berries galore! Maybe the appeal of this goes away after awhile? I’ve only been to PPM a few times but loved the place and would be very broke if I lived closer. The farmers market down my way is already tempting enough.

PPM is totally overrated. The fish there is second rate. I go to Mutual Fish, which is run by Japanese (they take freshness very seriously).

Yes, we have tons of berries, and I grow some myself, but as with the cherries they are seasonal, and the season’s just about over. The problem with the Pac. NW is that we have all this excellent fish, meat and produce, but nobody really knows what to do with it because we are culturally backward. I have thought about writing some French and begging them to come here and develop our potential, but my French isn’t what it used to be. I think Western WA should definitely have a calvados distillery, for example, and we could really use some help with doing more with the seafood than your typical salmon served on a cedar plank that you get at every expensive seafood restaurant over here. Oh well, at least our Olympia oysters served raw on the half-shell are heavenly.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 16:52

Welmer

Okay, now I´m drooling too-Salmon on a plank and oysters..Hmmm
I LOOOOVVVEE seafood !!

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Black&German October 20, 2009 at 17:02

I told y’all that I’m logging off, right? LOL.

A good cook cleans up the mess, WHILE cooking !
Exactly. I’ll tell him you said that. :-)

This is such an Anglo list. A decent German list would consist of 20 guys arguing over Cuba and Brazil with a few honorable mentions for Sweden. Sweden seems to be pretty universal.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 17:13

You’ve claimed to be a 10, who married a 6 or 7. Was the problem that he didn’t appreciate you?

I don’t know what the problem was, even now. A collection of things. He thought it was so awesome that I liked to build stuff and do heavy work, because he didn’t. But maybe I was too competent and independent and that made him feel unnecessary?

I mean, had it been me, my logic would have gone something like “She doesn’t need me for anything–not fixing a broken appliance or earning money or cutting down that tree, not anything–yet she stays. Must mean she really loves me.” But I don’t think that occured to him. And after a while, anytime anyone said, “OMG, you built that computer desk?” he’d just grit his teeth because he’d see it not as the “you go girl!” that it was, but a criticism of him for not building it himself.

So I think there were a lot of feelings of inadequacy, and by the time I realized they were there, it was too late. I couldn’t quit my job and let him be the reliable providor because we would have lost everything.

And others have suggested he might be bipolar or depressed, and I think maybe that was part of it in the later years. He took to self-medicating, which only made everything worse. I mean, I don’t think pot’s the devil, but it is good at convincing you that “everything’s cool just the way it is, don’t sweat it.”

So I think he appreciated my looks and my appetite in bed, but he kind of told himself he wanted a different kind of woman than he really did. The things he started out appreciating most were the things he hated the most in the end…

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 17:19

The only other country with more wins is USA. Besides, even Puerto Rico has won it 5 times, so your argument about India’s not quite there yet.

I am talking post-1992 (i.e. post-Cold War) regarding India. It really had no real chance prior to 1993.

But post-1992, India has 2 wins (equal to Venezuela), and almost always finishes in the Top-10, a performance that exceeds that of any other country in the post-1992 era.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 17:20

kis

How does his new girl differ from you, -that could be a clue…

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zed October 20, 2009 at 17:48

I don’t know what the problem was, even now.

I guess no prescription is a panacea, eh?

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Fiercely Independent John Nada October 20, 2009 at 17:58

@5th Horseman:

But post-1992, India has 2 wins (equal to Venezuela), and almost always finishes in the Top-10, a performance that exceeds that of any other country in the post-1992 era.

India has 2 wins total. Puerto Rico has 5 total. Venezuela has SIX total with TWO WINS BACK-TO-BACK. No other country in the history of the Miss Universe pageant has done that. Not even the USA, which has 7.

Give it up, bro. India is no comparison.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 18:14

How does his new girl differ from you, -that could be a clue…

Haha. I have no idea. First I heard of it was after my kids came back on Sunday–and she was living with him by that point, had been seeing him and there for my kids’ visits since maybe August? and I had no clue. They still aren’t really talking about her. I dragged an admission that she was “nice” out of my oldest, after I let them know I wasn’t mad or jealous or hurt, just annoyed that he acted like it was a big secret so they felt like they had to keep it secret too.

She’s Native, or half Native anyway, which I was expecting given the town where they live has a reservation right on it. Older than me–but then, he’s 55 (looks younger) and I’m 38, so that was expected, too. She’s not overweight–at least not to any degree, because the pants she gave my daughter that were a shade too tight fit my daughter just tight–the pants were the only reason I know this woman exists.

Sigh.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 18:17

he’s 55 and I’m 38

People can say all they want about how “love conquers all”, but hearing his age explains a whole lot of what you have said about him and your marriage.

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wow October 20, 2009 at 18:28

What’s the difference between an Italian grandmother and a jumbo jet?

About 3 lbs. and a black dress.

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21Guns October 20, 2009 at 18:28

People can say all they want about how “love conquers all”, but hearing his age explains a whole lot of what you have said about him and your marriage.

Would you mind elaborating on that? It is, in the parlance of the internets, relevant to my interests.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 18:30

Oh, yeah. I think I thought it wouldn’t matter because he was kind of a guy who had only just grown up and settled down.

But there was a lot of tension around him taking my word for stuff–you know, “$50 for that used TV stand is a waste, no matter how good it looks. Look at the joints? It’s gonna be falling apart before we get it in the door.” Followed by him either condescending to me, which grated, or getting hostile because I wouldn’t just be a good girl and agree with what he said.

Maybe he only pretended to stop doing that and just internalized it all?

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kis October 20, 2009 at 18:47

I don’t think his age had to do with my initial attraction to him–we’d been together for a month before I realized he wasn’t somewhere around thirty, but almost forty. He really always did look young for his age, and still does.

It did lead me to believe he was as ready to settle down as he said he was, though. But maybe I was his mid-life crisis?

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 18:48

kis

6:14
Sounds like he was looking for a mom…It´s not my business, I know..But it does !

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kis October 20, 2009 at 18:49

What’s the difference between an Italian grandmother and a jumbo jet?

About 3 lbs. and a black dress.

Hey! That’s insensitive to Italian grandmothers! You ought to be ashamed. :P

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zed October 20, 2009 at 18:49

maybe I was his mid-life crisis?

Ding, ding, ding!!!!

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kis October 20, 2009 at 18:53

kis

6:14
Sounds like he was looking for a mom…It´s not my business, I know..But it does !

It seems incongruous to look for a mom in someone 17 years your junior, but yeah. Maybe he hadn’t grown up. Maybe he was still kind of a stunted teenager who’d just hit an age where he was too tired to make trouble anymore. Like those old guys they let out of prison who say they aren’t rehabilitated, they just don’t have the energy anymore…

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 18:53

People can say all they want about how “love conquers all”, but hearing his age explains a whole lot of what you have said about him and your marriage.

Yeah, if I hooked up with a girl that much younger than me (she’d be in high school now), I wouldn’t count on it lasting. It would be good for a couple of kids, and then I’d call it a job and bid her adieu (with shared custody, of course). I’m realistic now, and know that women only love for a while. When they lose that feeling, it’s better (and much easier) to cut them loose.

Too bad about how it went with your dad, zed. I’ve fought tooth and nail for my kids – in fact, I pretty much gave up everything to be with them as much as I am – and I like to think we’ll always love each other. They sure wish they lived with me all the time now, but justice is very slow.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 18:57

Ding, ding, ding!!!!

LOL, Zed. Lucky for me, the women in my family don’t hit mid-life until they’re 50–well, 49 1/2. Haven’t quite hit mine yet. Or maybe I’m deluded?

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kis October 20, 2009 at 19:02

It would be good for a couple of kids, and then I’d call it a job and bid her adieu (with shared custody, of course).

Wish he’d done that. I’d be 28 or 30 and a single mom, instead of starting over with all this baggage AND staring down the gaping maw of 40. Or that I’d seen the downward slide for what it was and called it quits six years ago, just after my third was born. Can’t say I’d rather it was before, because he’s my deliciously evil little dude. He even has eyebrows that point up at the corners, just like Satan…

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 19:06

Wish he’d done that. I’d be 28 or 30 and a single mom, instead of starting over with all this baggage AND staring down the gaping maw of 40.

Yes, I think it is more humane for everyone involved. Life is good for single mothers these days, and if men could forget about the idea of marrying for life they’d be much better off. Of course, women would have to drop the expectation of being taken care of, and the law should reflect the new reality, but they’ve already made it clear that they’d rather do it on their own anyway, so once we work out the details men will have much better lives and not have to be burdened with resentful wives.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 19:08

kis
“like those guys they let of prison…..”

Yeah, something along those lines…

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zed October 20, 2009 at 19:09

@21Guns,

Being born when my parents were 40, I have an interesting perspective on older parents. You will hear a lot of guys say that women have a biological clock and men don’t. I absolutely disbelieve that. The energy that a man has at age 45 to cope with a young child is totally different than he had at 25. Plus, there is an offset in attitudes, outlook, and world view that is closer to 2 generations than one. Older parents are more rigid, less flexible, and so far removed from their children’s experience that they are a bit like aliens trying to deal with each other.

Most cases of older men having children are with younger women like kis was at the time she was married and having kids. The very classic arrangement in cases like these is the husband is older, more established in his career, and most often fully supports the younger mother while she stays at home and takes care of almost all the child-rearing duties. That doesn’t sound like the way things worked out for them. Despite what kis has said so far, I would be really surprised if she didn’t resent that some, even if she was unconscious of doing so.

When I hadn’t gotten around to having kids by about age 37-38, I knew I was never going to. My old man absolutely hated my guts and I always had a suspicion that part of that was due to the fact that just at the time he was looking forward to kicking back a bit and taking things easy I came along and reset his “kid clock” to zero.

Add to that the fact that it is very difficult to really regard someone 17 years your junior as a true “equal.” You have seen more of life, seen things they haven’t, have lost more innocence, and have learned that things don’t always work out the way you want no matter how hard you wish for them to.

My mid-40s was when I got off the corporate hamster wheel and started to take things easy. I could cut my expenses to the bone because there was no one else for whom I had to earn in order to provide. I am sure that if there had been I would have seen them as a burden, a trap, and a major impediment to my freedom, and would have resented them for that.

In every case I’ve ever seen with an age difference of more than 7-10 years, there are always parent-child overtones. Kis does not strike me as the kind of person who would go along with that, so I would expect a chronic tension. Just dealing with her on the internet she strikes me a being a bit combative, so I would guess that the pair bond never became strong enough to survive the added stress of children.

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21Guns October 20, 2009 at 19:13

zed

Thank you.
*goes off to think*

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kis October 20, 2009 at 19:34

Yeah, Welmer, I don’t know that the marriage is forever thing is ever going to become the standard again. Although I don’t know that he was stuck with me–he sure protested when I asked him to go, although he left with more grace than I’d feared or expected, and I’ll give him credit for that. But really, why would he have left on his own? He had it made.

That doesn’t mean I think he was happy. Far from it. Just that he had his basic needs all taken care of and pretty much got to decide what to do with his copious free time. And I was mostly uncomplaining. We just became like roommates and didn’t have much to do with each other for the last two years or so. I mean, we didn’t even have “hallway sex” or anything.

I think–I hope–that maybe me throwing him out (I actually slept on the couch until he found a place to live, but still) made him reclaim his manhood or sense of self or whatever you want to call it. I hope so, for the sake of his new girlfriend, if nothing else.

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Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech October 20, 2009 at 19:42

I agree with there being lots of hotties in Iran. Persian women seem to age pretty well compared to Americans.

I agree big time.

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Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech October 20, 2009 at 19:44

Of course, women would have to drop the expectation of being taken care of, and the law should reflect the new reality, but they’ve already made it clear that they’d rather do it on their own anyway, so once we work out the details men will have much better lives and not have to be burdened with resentful wives.

Of course, but we would need to make sure that government wasn’t subsidizing single mothers like it does now.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 19:49

Pro male/Anti-feminist Tech

In Denmark the numbers are as follows:

During an average lifetime men pays 920.000 to society.
Women receive 2,4M.
Equality?
Me think not.

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kis October 20, 2009 at 19:53

Just dealing with her on the internet she strikes me a being a bit combative, so I would guess that the pair bond never became strong enough to survive the added stress of children.

Fuck you, Zed!

LOL

Yes, I am my own woman. He knew that when we met, said it was what he liked best about me. That I was young but not a partier, not a flake, that I worked hard and took things seriously and had my own opinions about shit. I’m a much bigger partier now, but who isn’t when they just got out of prison, lol.

And in my defense–he wanted kids. We were very straight with each other about that right from the start, that he also wanted kids. And I’m pretty sure it was sincere on his part, since he protested me getting my tubes tied at 35 because “but what if we want to have more kids?!”

I took way too much on, and to be honest, I didn’t ask him enough for help with what I saw as my duties. I’ve always seen asking for help (or needing it) as something of a failing, even though I know logically it isn’t. It just goes against my nature, always has. And I remember a lot of times him saying “Well why didn’t you ask me to grab the kids and deal with them?” and me replying “You need to just do it when you see I’m up to my armpits dinner with a kid climbing up each leg and starting to get stressed, because I can’t ask. I can’t.” Then again, half the time I’d ask him for help, I’d get a resentful response–which I’d assume might be normal-ish, but only made me more reluctant to ask.

So yeah, like I’ve said before–or tried to in my round about way–the blame’s on both of us. Which is part of the reason I’m being so reasonable about all the divorce stuff. Although he pulls another dick move like the thing with this new girlfriend, and I might not be feeling so nice. Because, DAMN.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 19:58

Fuck you, Zed!

In your dreams, kis. ;)

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kis October 20, 2009 at 19:58

Of course, but we would need to make sure that government wasn’t subsidizing single mothers like it does now.

The government needs to either subsidize single parents, regardless of their gender, or continue to make non-custodial parents financially responsible for their kids. Or decree shared custody all around. Otherwise, the pendulum will swing the other way, and we’ll have nothing but destitute single mothers whose husbands walked out on them (because if marriage = burden and walking out = scott free, who wouldn’t do it?) and carefree single fathers who get to do it all again.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 20:00

. I’ve always seen asking for help (or needing it) as something of a failing, even though I know logically it isn’t. It just goes against my nature, always has.

You do sound like you are more man than woman, kis. That is a real male dilemma. I think as men shed the old roles it will get easier for them.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 20:01

kis

In Denmark we have shared custody-that doesn´t seem to affect the numbers above…:(

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zed October 20, 2009 at 20:06

And in my defense–

You don’t have to defend yourself, kis, you aren’t being attacked. No one has figured out how to navigate this cultural scorched earth we have with no traditional values, and no real good replacements for them yet.

What I watched happening is that both sexes thought they would get a sort of cafeteria of roles/duties and that they could pick the ones they liked and leave the others on the buffet line. I suppose a lot of people assumed their partners would pick up the ones they left. Unfortunately, there was a lot of fighting over the goodies, and the brussels sprouts of life went begging.

We are all making it up as we go along, now.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 20:08

Zed

Thumbs up on that!

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kis October 20, 2009 at 20:29

You don’t have to defend yourself, kis, you aren’t being attacked. No one has figured out how to navigate this cultural scorched earth we have with no traditional values, and no real good replacements for them yet.

Aww, Zed. You’re just…very sweet.

Unfortunately, there was a lot of fighting over the goodies, and the brussels sprouts of life went begging.

Stereotypes again! I’m offended on behalf of all brussels sprouts everywhere! How dare you say they aren’t every bit as tasty as cheesecake or fried chicken! And don’t go telling me some of your best friends are brussels sprouts! Where’s my bingo card…?

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kis October 20, 2009 at 20:37

kis

In Denmark we have shared custody-that doesn´t seem to affect the numbers above…:(

Shared should be shared. My sister just moved in with a guy who has two kids (she has two as well). They’re supposed to be with him 50% of the time and no support paid either way, but his ex was insisting on only letting him have them on weekends–she said it was disruptive to their school schedules–and was charging him for babysitting whenever she had them more than half the week! He just put up with it.

Then my sis moved in with him and told him he needed to quit trying to be nice. He sat down and told his ex there would be no more paying for “babysitting”. And if she didn’t give him the kids for his full 50% of the week, he’d be going to court to pursue full custody. Holy hell, she backed down fast. Been behaving all sweet and nice ever since, because the law here is about the good of the child, and his kids would be considered better cared for in his now two parent home than with a single mom. It was sweet.

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 20:39

The government needs to either subsidize single parents, regardless of their gender, or continue to make non-custodial parents financially responsible for their kids. Or decree shared custody all around. Otherwise, the pendulum will swing the other way, and we’ll have nothing but destitute single mothers whose husbands walked out on them (because if marriage = burden and walking out = scott free, who wouldn’t do it?) and carefree single fathers who get to do it all again.

I go with decree shared custody and no payoff to either party unless fraud was involved (that includes adultery, sudden abandonment, etc.). It is the only logical choice.

As for husbands walking out on women, men had that ability for a long time, but surprisingly few of them took advantage of it. Once women were given the choice, however, well… We can all see the results.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 20:45

kis

Funny how people behave nice, when you up the game with a pair of thumbscrews…;)

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zed October 20, 2009 at 20:50

How dare you say they aren’t every bit as tasty as cheesecake or fried chicken!

I much prefer Honey Pie, myself. My motto is –
“If it smells good, eat it.” ;)

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 20:52

Zed

I´m more of a seafood man, myself…
If I sea it, I eat it…;)

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 20:55

John Nada,

You didn’t read what I said. I am talking about post-1992 performance. Several countries could not really compete before then, including India.

India has won twice since 1992 – only Venezuela has won more.

India has finished in the Top-10 almost every year since 1992, which totally beats Venezuela in overall performance.

Thus, India has the best track record post-1992. Again, post Cold War. Read carefully, because you missed the main point by a mile.

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The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 20:57

India has won twice since 1992 – only Venezuela has won more.

Sorry, that should be the SAME as Venezuela : Two.

India has the best post-1992 (post Cold War) performance. You have not disputed this, nor can you.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 21:06

zed

I´ve just started reading “Book of Zed The Zen Priest”, and it´s looking good, so far…Deep, dude,deep…;)

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zed October 20, 2009 at 21:12

If you are speaking of eye-of-the-mind, best hurry, it will vanish into the bit bucket when Yahoo/Geocities pulls the plug on the old free sites on 10/26.

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 21:13

zed

I´ve downloaded it after reading the first two pages…:)

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kis October 20, 2009 at 21:13

As for husbands walking out on women, men had that ability for a long time, but surprisingly few of them took advantage of it. Once women were given the choice, however, well… We can all see the results.

True. But there were likely just as few women back then who left their families–and there’s the rub. Decent men and women didn’t walk out because walking out meant leaving their kids.

It should be noted, women aren’t leaving their families en masse now. The law allows them them leave their husbands without leaving their kids behind or living with them in squalor. And I think more men than ever are leaving their wives, too. They just aren’t taking the kids with them very often, whether by choice or because of those legal biases.

It’s sad.

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zed October 20, 2009 at 22:55

I´ve downloaded it after reading the first two pages…:)

Did you spider my old site, or has someone put together a compilation of my ranting?

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 22:59

zed

I´m trying to log off, but had a look at AngryHarry page and jumped back.

The latter, zed, and so far it does not look like rantings to me…

Somebody should do a piece on the Kevin Driscoll case in here !!!!

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Welmer October 20, 2009 at 23:08

Somebody should do a piece on the Kevin Driscoll case in here !!!!

Got your message, Kimski, but I’ve got a lot on my hands. I want to get around to it, but I’d like to talk to the attorneys first (if they’ll let me).

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 23:19

welmer

Have been following it for a while…Too many things don´t fit…
Thanks, anyway…
“Every false rape accusation is an attack on every man on the planet!!”
Right !!!

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Kimskinovgorod October 20, 2009 at 23:23

Welmer

Btw. his case is up in November…:)

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zed October 21, 2009 at 04:11

The latter

Where did you find it? I’d like to see what they put together. I googled and only found my old site.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:18

zed

I got it from a friend in the danish MRM ?
Don´t know his on-line name.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:19

no questionmark-just got up..Lol!

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zed October 21, 2009 at 04:22

Got a link?

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:30

zed

To the friend?
I´m not “workin” too fast in the morning, -lack of coffee, me thinks..Lol!!!

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zed October 21, 2009 at 04:36

You said you “downloaded” it.

I´m not “workin” too fast in the morning,

Isn’t about noon in Denmark? ;)

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:40

zed

Yeah, well, I was talking about you and the Spearhead and he contacted me and asked if I wanted it…

It´s 1:40 PM, -I did´nt get to bed before 8-tish AM, because I was talkin to kis all night–Luckily I´m so old I don´t need much sleep anymore…:)

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:44

sed

I mentioned that stuff about PMS being covert horniness, -which I consider a MAJOR breakthrough(!!!!), and he contacted me…

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:46

zed

You should really do a piece on that…Think about the impact that could have!!
You´ve basically given every couple on the planet a tool to deal with the more rabid fights they get into…I already wrote this once….

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zed October 21, 2009 at 04:50

Email me, use the contact tab at the top of the page. I would like to get a copy of it.

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zed October 21, 2009 at 04:52

Be sure to include an email address so I can contact you.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 04:54

zed

Ok.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:14

zed

Did you get my second mail??
I entitled Book of Wisdom, -does that ring a bell???

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:15

zed

It´s..of course.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:20

Zed

My friend is working on his boat so it may take a while, -I talk to him every day, and will continue to “bully” him, okay?? .
:)

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 05:27

Followed by him either condescending to me, which grated, or getting hostile because I wouldn’t just be a good girl and agree with what he said.

I dated a guy who was 14 years older than me and he was very patronizing. My husband is 6 years older and not at all patronizing. Any more than 10 years and you get into a different generation.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:27

zed

Okay, I tried anyway..Did you get it ???

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Obsidian October 21, 2009 at 05:28

I’m a bit late to the dance, but I’ve gotta weigh in on this one here.

Given Cless’ recent Love & Race in America post, I have to point out what is most definitely the pink elephant in the middle of the room:

There are millions of lightskinned African Americans in the United States, and has been thus for well over a century, if not longer. Of course, until very recently, Black Men could not bed, date or marry White Women widely, and even those who could manage it did so often under the threat of death. Therefore, one can only conclude that lightskinned Blacks resulted as the result of sexual relations taking place between Black Women…and White Men. The late US Senator Strom Thurmond, whose daughter is Black, also fits into the picture here.

We must also note, that in the vast majority of those cases, the Black Women involved did NOT hail from Ethiopia, indeed, they looked a lot closer to Oprah Winfrey than Iman. They, like he vast majority of native African Americans, hail from West Africa, where more plumper Women are an ideal of beauty.

So-I say all of that to say, simply the following. It’s one thing to proclaim that which is beautiful, something else to see what actually happens in realtime. Nor is it an accident that Women from West Africa, or Southern Africa for that matter, was completely passed over in the post above. Yet, again-America is replete with lightskinned Black people, and just about every African American can point to a White ancestor-almost always Male. Including even the current First Lady, Michelle Obama.

For a Man, hotness registers very simply-if his dick gets hard, the chick in question is hot-at least enough to get some rumpy bumpy in. *shrugs*

Seems my White brothers got some splainin’ to do…

Now, errbody don’t try to step up to the mic at once…;)

Holla back

The Obsidian

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 05:29

He dumped me for a woman 2 years older than himself. Well, he sort-of dumped me. It was all falling apart by then so it wasn’t a big deal. I didn’t even know about her until afterward. She was British (like himself) and very unattractive. They’re still together, though. LOL.

Glad he dumped me now.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:32

zed

Actally it´s The Collected Words of Wisdom…

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:32

Actually..Damn, need more coffee…lol.

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zed October 21, 2009 at 05:39

My friend is working on his boat

That tells me who it is. He goes by the name of Ragnar. Have you seen his boat? I’ve seen pics and it looks awesome!

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zed October 21, 2009 at 05:42

Seems my White brothers got some splainin’ to do…

Having known some black women over the years who were incredibly compelling, the explanation is pretty obvious. I have some neighbors who are an interracial couple – a white man married to a black woman. Thomas Jefferson is well known to have fathered children with Sally Hemmings. Love and lust know no color.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:42

Obsidian

Okay, think about this…What if God, in the bible, when he said: “Go out into the world and multiply!”-Actually meant that we should have been cross-breeding from the beginning, and that most of our problems stem from the fact, that we did not ??
-Just a thought…:)

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M October 21, 2009 at 05:42

I’ve gotta put my vote in for the South American combo of Brazil/Argentina and the Mediterranean combo of Italy/Spain. I guess it makes sense since they have a lot of the same genetic heritage.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:44

Obsidian

Yeah, -I lived with a black woman for two years, way back…

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:48

zed

Yeah, youre right !!
Awesome boat-got some pictures of it…He´s almost finished and will be putting it in the water by the end of the month…He told me you bumped heads a while back, and I didn´t want to get involved with that, so therefore my reluctance…:)
But he´s got your book..Did you get the E-mail??

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zed October 21, 2009 at 05:53

He told me you bumped heads a while back, and I didn´t want to get involved with that,

The biggest problem with MRAs and the MRM in general is that due to the fact that we are bucking the entire social system and trends, we tend to be extremely hard-headed. It is inevitable that we will eventually disagree, argue about it, and get on each other’s nerves. Once we quit annoying each other, tempers cool down, however, and the important point is that we are all interested in accomplishing the same thing – we just disagree on the specifics of how to accomplish it. There is certainly no lasting animosity on my side, and I sincerely hope there is none on his.

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zed October 21, 2009 at 05:55

Yeah, I got the email. Check your email, I replied to you. You should just be able to send me the file as an attachment, or even just forward the one he sent you.

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Fiercely Independent John Nada October 21, 2009 at 05:55

The Fifth Horseman October 20, 2009 at 8:55 pm

John Nada,

You didn’t read what I said. I am talking about post-1992 performance. Several countries could not really compete before then, including India.

India has won twice since 1992 – only Venezuela has won more.

India has finished in the Top-10 almost every year since 1992, which totally beats Venezuela in overall performance.

Thus, India has the best track record post-1992. Again, post Cold War. Read carefully, because you missed the main point by a mile.

LOL, OK. “India won more than anybody else on a rainy day in May, standing on one leg and hopping around in a circle with a green bandanna tied on their left arms.” How ridiculous does that sound?

“Other than the USA and Venezuela, the countries that have made the semi-finals the most in a row are India (who in recent years has emerged as a pageant powerhouse) with 11 (1992–2002) consecutive placements” –from Wikipedia

USA titles: 7 –1954, 1956, 1960, 1967, 1980, 1995, 1997
Venezuela titles 6–1979, 1981, 1986, 1996, 2008, 2009
Puerto Rico titles 5–1970, 1985, 1993, 2001, 2006
India titles 2–1994, 2000

Total semifinalists: USA 54 — Venezuela 39 — India 19.
I’m done with this pissing match, bro. And this is from a man married to a Colombiana.

India’s getting there and the women are beautiful, but there not there yet. And they got a long way to go. Don’t let the pride get in the way, 5th Horseman…

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:58

Zed

I don´t think there is either, on his side..And, yes, I concur..I´m just a newcomer, so it´s really not my place to say so,( some of you guys have been at this for sooo long!), but it seems to me, that you sometimes have tendency to loose sight of the Real Agenda..!

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 05:59

Zed

He complimented your work, though..;)

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 06:01

Zed

So you didn´t receive the book then ?

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 06:06

zed

I´ve tried to send it twice, now, -you should have received it as file next to the mainfile,(I don´t know the english word for that thingie..)

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zed October 21, 2009 at 06:10

Never mind. Ragnar sent me the link and I snagged it. Looks like some of the guys at Mancoat put it together.

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 06:11

Stereotypes again! I’m offended on behalf of all brussels sprouts everywhere! How dare you say they aren’t every bit as tasty as cheesecake or fried chicken! And don’t go telling me some of your best friends are brussels sprouts!

LOL. You’re hilarious.

I, for one, don’t discriminate. I’m an equal opportunity eater. I prefer green brussels sprouts because that’s what I’ve grown up with and they remind me of my father. It’s only natural and is in no way a sign that I’m prejudiced. I love yellow, purple, blue, and striped ones too.

And I think more men than ever are leaving their wives, too. They just aren’t taking the kids with them very often, whether by choice or because of those legal biases.

Men don’t usually leave their wives. They just cheat on them or act up until SHE leaves. It’s like passive-aggressive divorce.

Seems my White brothers got some splainin’ to do…

I wasn’t even going to go there, Obsidian. But since you brought it up…

Why is it that white guys around here (and DEFINITELY in Europe) will pass over hordes of attractive white women to come hit on me? And why does my Naomi Campbell look-alike cousin get stared at so hard that men walk into lightposts? (It’s funny to watch.) In Germany I’d say it was the novelty-factor but around here black women are a dime-a-dozen.
But if you ask those same guys they’ll say, “Oh, I don’t find black women attractive. Just that one. And that one over there. And that one isn’t bad. I’d hit it.”
This has always confused me. They say “I don’t find black women attractive.” and then name exceptions. What they’re saying is, “I don’t find MOST black women attractive.” Well… duh. Do they find MOST white woman attractive? And before you say that “white women are generally better looking”, come out here (Northwest Maryland) and gaze around. It’s like every white woman here was beaten terribly with an ugly stick before she was born. Or, as my husband would say, “Not with a 10-foot pole in the dark.” Pretty much the only truly attractive women around here (yeah, even the white ones) are all imports from other counties.

*ducking under the table*

But maybe I’m just showing my age. I’m 28.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 06:12

zed

I think I got it right this time…?

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zed October 21, 2009 at 06:13

Got it!! Thanks, Kimskinovgorod.

It was good to connect with my old friend Ragnar. Did you know that he is basically the father of MGTOW? He was the catalyst who pulled the ragtag group together who hashed out the idea and started getting it out into cyberspace. Without him, the idea of MGTOW would never have been articulated and spread. Let him know that you realize what a role he has played.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 06:15

B&G

Black women are attractive..Period!!

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zed October 21, 2009 at 06:18

And before you say that “white women are generally better looking”, come out here (Northwest Maryland) and gaze around. It’s like every white woman here was beaten terribly with an ugly stick before she was born.

LOL!!! That’s pretty much true every place in the US I’ve been. It’s really funny these days – guys from the US, UK, Oz, Canada, etc, used to argue about who had the best football team. Now they argue over who has the worst women. There must have been more ugly sticks floating around than Hula Hoops and Pet Rocks combined. (I know you are too young to remember either of those. ;) )

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 06:19

zed

No,-gee, -he has sort of taken me under his wings, and I..don´t…really..GEE!!!
I´ve done some pieces on the MM-in denmark, and he contacted me…
Wauv..The Godfather, sort of….:O

I will let him know, be sure of that !!

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 06:20

The women around here are really unattractive. *shudder* I think the guys stare because in comparison I’d score a 10 around here (even though I’m barely scraping in as an 8). They certainly can’t hold a candle to German or Czech women. No competition.

You’d think I’d find the attention flattering, but it’s not. Getting a compliment in Germany means more because they’re comparing you to a higher subset. Here it’s like, “Wow, you’re really beautiful.” “Well, shucks. I can read and I have all of my teeth, too. Aren’t you impressed?”

I’m not racist but I will admit to some xenophobic tendencies. I’m working on that. But there’s just soooo much evidence to the contrary…

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 06:24

zed

British women are the worst; buckteeth, big ears and no lips, whatsoever !!

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 06:28

LOL!!! That’s pretty much true every place in the US I’ve been.

Well, I’d make an exception for some parts of Texas. I lived there during high school and the women were unusually good-looking for Americans. Until they hit 25 and went all to hell. It’s always funny when I go visit my (very gorgeous white) best friend and we go out and see someone we knew in school. They look at us and exclaim, “Wow! You guys still look like teenagers.” And we don’t know what to answer, “Thanks. You… um… you…” (got really fat and aged 20 years and are wearing what resembles pajamas) “… look nice, too.”

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by_the_sword October 21, 2009 at 06:31

When we talk about beauty, are we referring to physical good-looks or do we mean something more? like some character traits, such as loyalty and charity, that would make a man fall in love with a woman and want to die for her?

Just curious.

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Obsidian October 21, 2009 at 09:16

B&G,
Remember what I said on Cless’ thread? About how a lot of White guys are basically, cowards? What I mean by that is, they seem to put a lot more stock in what others will think of who they screw, than do Black Men. Some White guys try to turn that into a “Black guys will screw anything” argument. *Shrug* Means nothing to me. In my world, Megan Fox can get it just as quick as Toccarra, although I have to say that the former probably would break, lol.

Anyway, what my White brothers have to come to grips with is this: our racial history points undeniably to an Inconvenient Truth-that a whole lot of White guys found dem Oprah-looking Black Women to be hot enough to make LOTS of babies with em. Not Iman. Not Naomi Campbell. Oprah. Big lips. Big nose. Nappy hair. And big ole booty.

We have the proof abounding among us today, fellas. Where’d all those lightskinned Black people come from?

You are by no means alone, B&G. I know for a fact Black Women get hit on A LOT by White guys, its just White guys are real careful NOT to be seen doing it out in the open. Which explains in part why a lot of Sistas aint crazy with hooking up with White guys as a rule. No Woman wants to simply be a Booty Call via the backdoor in the alley.

Anyway, the facts, are the facts. Its real simple-if you get wood, it means the chick you’re seeing is hot enough to do the deed.

The.

End.

Comments?

Holla back

The Obsidian

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 10:58

LOL. You know I’ve got to agree. I’ve got a lot of West African features (even though I’m pale-as-paper) and a black-woman’s-body and those are precisely the things I get complimented on the most. I’ve got “white girl” hair and guys couldn’t care less. I chopped it all of super-short and I get hit on MORE now.

I get hit on A LOT by white guys but white women don’t believe me. They start asking me the “did she ask for it” questions: What were you wearing? Why were you walking and not driving? What time of day was it? Did you look in their direction? How were you “carrying” yourself?

In other words: He must have thought you were a prostitute. Gee, thanks, ladies. Yeah, it must have been the ankle-length skirt and sweater that tipped him off. As if the stroller didn’t have “MOMMY IS A HO written on it already.” *roll eyes*

Which explains in part why a lot of Sistas aint crazy with hooking up with White guys as a rule. No Woman wants to simply be a Booty Call via the backdoor in the alley.
You are so right.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 11:28

Obsidian

I can only repeat what I´ve already said: -I lived with a black girl, Eve, for 2 years…I LIKE black girls, and I´ll be damned if I´ll have others tell me, who I should be with and who I shouldn´t be with. If people stare, I say “let them stare!”-Most of them are jealous as hell, when it comes right down to it. If I heard I negative comment, it was always: F.U. !!!!-to that person…If I like someone, they can be green or purple, for all I care….
-But I´m from Scandinavia, so maybe things are a little different here…
So when you play the race card, I have to ask you:-You DO know, that the arabs kept africans as slaves for more than 6000 years, don´t you ???

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 11:33

Obsidian

I´m not trying to instigate a fight over something this stupid, but that was waaayyy before the white man came into the equation…
Think about it, okay ! :)

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 11:39

Oh, no! Purple people and Arab slave traders together in one post. It’s a new record! Trust a Scandinavian to set that one. You forgot to mention striped people and how you have a black friend that is allowed to use your toilet. :-) LOL. I’m just messing with you, man.

That reminds me. A few weeks ago I was complaining about white people having stereotypes about black people. My husband (blunt, politically incorrect German that he is) promptly responded with:

“Well, some stereotypes are true.”
“Like what?”
“Well, it’s definitely true that black people can dance.”
“Et tu, Brute?”
“What? You know it’s true! I’ve met hundreds of black people since I’ve been with you. Picnics, barbecues, weddings, you name it. As soon as the music starts, they get up and start dancing. And even the little old ladies are better dancers than I am. You’ve got to admit that there’s something to it.”
“It’s just an advantageous subset.”
“I’m telling you, there’s something to it. Someone should do a study.”

I’m still searching for a black person without rhythm to prove my point but I haven’t found one yet. But I know they’re out there! LOL.

Gotta go rejoin RL now…

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Obsidian October 21, 2009 at 11:40

B&G,
As you know a bit of Game terminology and “belief”, I’m sure you’ve heard of the maxim about not paying attention to what a Woman says but rather what’s she actually does. Well, that goes for guys, too. When it comes to straightup sex, the truth is, that guys will bang almost any chick. Again: if you get wood, the chick’s hot enough to do the deed. From a purely Evolutionary POV, that’s all that matters. All else is windowdressing and bragging rights.

So, take this discussion here with a huge BLOCK of salt. Of course, if a guy could, he would choose the “hottest” chick he could find, but as we all know, Life doesn’t always workout that way. So, we guys, we tend to settle a lot more than we’re willing to openly admit. So long as girlfriend ain’t looking like the Swamp Thing, she can and will get it. Keep in mind: some 80% of all Women who ever lived, have passed on their genes. About half that many Men ever, did. Trust me, few Women have little to fear about being all dressed with nowhere to go on Saturday night, as I’m sure you know quite well.

Going back to our discussion here, the truth is that a whole lot of White guys would tear up some Sistas if they could. I remember years ago, I tried out the telepersonals thing. One of my best friends turned me onto it, and I decided to do it as a kind of social experiment. One of the things I learned, was in how many of the Black Women kept getting callbacks from White Men, often unsolicited. Of course, I had a hard time believing it when I first heard that, but when my own sisters started telling me similar things, and looked cleareyed at our collective sexual history in this country…well, it pretty much says it all.

For some Men, Black and White, you’re the best of both worlds-you got the high yella skin but a Black Woman’s body, which almost always means, really full hips (even moreso since you’ve had babies), backside, and often boobs. We all know that on average, a Sista is built thicker than a White gal, and again, we have documented proof that White Men like it as much as Brothas do. The only difference is that the latter doesn’t care who don’t like it.

Anyway, I’ve always liked Women w/short hair. For example, I always thought Anita Baker was hot in her day, and a big reason for that was her hairstyle. Same deal with Halle Berry.

Holla back

The Obsidian

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 12:03

B&G

Et tu, brutus…

I´ve had some of my best disciussions with you on this site,-I know you´re black, and equaly important, you know I´m white, -as far as I can see that changed NOTHING !!

Looking for a black that can´t dance…Try Sammy Davis jr….;)

-Forgot to mention, -I also played in a band for eight years, where the other guitarist was black..He used to kick in the door, when he came for rehearsals, and state loudly, that we should get some sun!-We were all white!! :)
-We used to reply, that the soap was in the bathroom….;)

-Thank you for letting me break the record, -didn´t know I was participating in a contest, though ! ;)

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 12:16

B&G

Or Bill Cosby, the guy aint got rhythm or rhyme, maám..;)

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Obsidian October 21, 2009 at 13:00

Kim,
Being a Scandanavian, and not entirely familiar with the way things are done here wrt Race & Sex, certainly factors in a big way here. No doubt about it.

The Obsidian

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 13:55

Obsidian,

Trust me, few Women have little to fear about being all dressed with nowhere to go on Saturday night, as I’m sure you know quite well.

I know that’s true! If I went for 2 weeks without a date I would have considered it a long dry spell. And even then I’d just go out to a cafe or bookstore, or something, and ask someone out. They usually said yes. Life is easier for women that way, I suppose.

which almost always means, really full hips (even moreso since you’ve had babies), backside, and often boobs.

Yeah, I’m “thick”. 32G, black-woman’s-behind, and a 0.66 WHR. I’ve got FERTILE written all over me and bongos play when I walk. :-) It’s all firm because I work out regularly. And in my case, at least, the “hips don’t lie”. I got pregnant both times the same month we started trying.

Same deal with Halle Berry.

She was my inspiration. I had waist-length hair wavy hair and went to my favorite beautician and said, “I want something different.” So she chopped it off down to 2 inches. My father actually cried when I came home.
I grew it out for my wedding but now that I’m running every morning it’s just easier to keep it short. And it makes me look about 19. I don’t just get carded everywhere, I get EXAMINED. My husband prefers it short.

Kimskinovgorod,

LOL. You are a trip!
Good suggestions.

And it’s so nice to see some politically-incorrect Europeans on here. I’ve got one at home so it’s what I’m used to, KWIM? Americans get all bent-out of shape about race so I sometimes feel like the odd-woman-out. They need to chill sometimes.
I think I come across as The Angry Black Woman sometimes online but I’m really not. I’m actually more jolly and irreverent than perpetually pissed off. That’s what I like about Obsidian. He can argue the point without getting all worked up about it.

Conversation with my husband last night:

He: I can’t believe you think Czechs are the best looking.
Me: Of course they are. What about the cheekbones and the cat eyes?
He: No way. The Spanish and maybe even the Argentines are way better.
Me: Forget it. Czechs have the best figures.
He: You just say that because you’re Czech. You’re prejudiced against Latinas.
Me: You calling me a xenophobe?
He: Of course. Everyone knows you are.
Me: You’re prejudiced against the Czechs. You think we’re all alcoholics.
He: But I married one! And I have Czech friends. Doesn’t that count for something? Besides, you ARE all alcoholics. And you’re not a REAL Czech, you’re practically German. I just prefer brown women to the pale variety. You look better in the summer, you know. You’re getting that washed-out look.
END

*sigh* I really am getting that washed-out look.

Gotta go cook dinner now. It’s rack of lamb tonight. Yum!

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mondo October 21, 2009 at 14:25

Columbian & Venezuelan women…but only because I’m constantly flabbergasted by the hotness of women from there attached to short skinny and dorky guys with little apparent game.

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roissy October 21, 2009 at 14:51

the east euro woman with the gaze of incapacitation is the best looking one of the bunch, followed closely by the dutch gal. (i have some dutch in my family and they are freakishly tall).

tallinn is reputed to be a city of incredibly beautiful women.

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 15:02

You see? Roissy agrees with me. The EE girl wins.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 15:16

B&G

Yeah, the americans need to chill…

Btw. Kick out your husband and marry me !
-You know, just to fit the profile about white men, hitting on black women !!!!
Hmmm…..must…not…think….prejudice…..;)
I wouldnt want to stand out …;)

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piercedhead October 21, 2009 at 15:19

“Somebody should do a piece on the Kevin Driscoll case in here !!!!”

This
published only minutes ago at Men’s News Daily.

Link in text:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/21/a-da%E2%80%99s-guide-to-convicting-a-man-of-rape-guilty-or-not/

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 15:25

piecedhead

Gotcha`´-thanks-;)

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 16:12

sorry..piercedhead

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Black&German October 21, 2009 at 18:48

Btw. Kick out your husband and marry me!
Um… I’m not going to tell him you said that. I prefer you in one piece. LOL.

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Kimskinovgorod October 21, 2009 at 21:10

B&G

I´m just messing with you :)

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Darren October 21, 2009 at 23:08

I have traveled all over the world and I must say that the most beautiful woman that I saw were in Sweden. There is no shortage of hot woman over there.

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Black&German October 22, 2009 at 11:13

I´m just messing with you

Yeah, I know. :-)

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Espio October 22, 2009 at 15:50

Generally, women who evolved from colder/harsher climates are almost always more attractive than women who evolved from temperate climates. The harsher the climate, the more men tend to die, which skews the ratio to having much more females than males. So males can select wives based on which women are better looking, because the male is moreso the chooser in frigid climates.

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love and basketball October 22, 2009 at 16:20

The African girl is the most beautiful. She has that rich tone to her skin and great features! And I really like deep brown eyes.

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Ally October 23, 2009 at 13:58

“they have become the stuff of dreams for men chained to a mannish, aggressive and often overweight native wife.”

Umm clarification on “native” wife? I sure hope its not what your saying – that being aboriginal.

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Puma October 23, 2009 at 14:05

Yes Ally. Welmer is referring to Australian Aboriginals. We hope to drive the National Geographic out of business in 2 years or less.

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Welmer October 23, 2009 at 14:08

Umm clarification on “native” wife? I sure hope its not what your saying – that being aboriginal.

LOL

I’m an American and a Westerner. We call our “aboriginals” Indians (which is what they call themselves, BTW). By native I mean native born.

Actually, I might prefer an Indian wife to your typical entitled white girl, but mostly they live way out in the country, several hours away by car.

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Ally October 23, 2009 at 14:08

Awesome. I can only hope none are here to see this then. :)

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Welmer October 23, 2009 at 14:12

Indian girls are more down to earth. I get along with them just fine when I go visit the rez.

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Deborah October 24, 2009 at 09:39

I mentioned something pertaining to this subject in my blog, so I guess I’ll publish it here too:

Its interesting to note the variety of beauty in the world and how every race has something to offer that is uniquely beautiful: Middle Eastern ladies have the ideal eyes – large, almond shaped pools of copper that mesmerize; African ladies have flawless, wrinkle free complexions and curvy figures; Asians – in my opinion – have the most natural beauty with their frizz free hair, soft skin, feminine features, and slim figures that can survive the biggest of banquets; Hispanics with their sheer variety of features (there are Hispanics with all hair, eye, and complexion types), natural sultry appeal, and dynamite figures; Native Americans with their high cheek bones and copper, sun kissed skin that us white chicks give ourselves skin cancer to obtain; And of course, even though us European chicks age like moldy cheese, because our continent has experienced the migration of many different people throughout the ages, we offer everything from the Moorish beauty of the Southern European chick with dark hair, large soft eyes, and olive skin – to the blond, blue eyed, porcelain skinned snow queens of Northern Europe

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Eman October 24, 2009 at 16:27

I’ve found that the hottest women in Europe often come from the Ukraine — not Ukrainian Jews though or any other non-native minorities, I mean native ethnic Ukrainian/Slavic women.

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Eman October 24, 2009 at 20:12

kis:”it’s really hard to pinpoint why people (men and women) in the US are more likely to be overweight than anywhere else. … A friend of mine just spent almost six months down in the States, and couldn’t believe how fat most of the women there are even compared to up here in Canuckyland. And half the women she was talking about hadn’t even had kids yet–though they were married, for the most part.”

It’s because a lot of Americans gorge themselves on endless amounts of carbs and are very lazy (thus getting no exercise). Also, the USA has A LOT of people of ethnic Jewish or part-Jewish heritage, and ethnic Jews tend toward flabbiness/obesity and diabetes compared to many other groups.

The average height of Americans is also decreasing even though in the past White Americans were the tallest people on Earth.

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Alain November 3, 2009 at 04:37

As we all know that if somebody really have to find beautiful womans then you should go to Russia because Russia is really famous in the whole world for the beautiful girls.

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Peter November 5, 2009 at 04:39

I have found that Portugal and basically South American women carry the “beautiful” gene more frequently that elsewhere. However, saying that, I also feel the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I fall absolutely head over heels for deep, dark brown eyes. Funny because I married a women with Norse background…

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Labas November 8, 2009 at 09:27

Swedish and Estonian women are the best!

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The_King November 9, 2009 at 23:30

Easy Rome, Italy. Why? Genetic diversity… it used to be cultural hub meaning everyone went there. Now it enjoys the mix of the best thus have the prettiest and most feminine women in Europe. Thailand would be a close second along with Brazil, Spain, Russia and Eastern Europe. When there are more attractive women than fat, ugly or normal girls it is paradise…

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HelloNewWorld November 30, 2009 at 07:12

The best looking women in the world?

Korean
Polish
Turkish
Bulgarian
Spanish
Ethiopian
Israeli
Argentinian

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shahab December 25, 2009 at 06:25

i think iranian girls are so beutifull .

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TAllagash December 25, 2009 at 07:48

Brazil and Lebanon. For my time and effort. By far.

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Marco Polo January 9, 2010 at 20:35

By far Spain… They’re hot looking, slim (like most Mediterraneans) , sexy, sophisticated and very smart. Plus they got the best food in Europe and some of the best wine.
I found most Spaniards to have fair skin, brown to light brown hair & with green or light brown eyes.
I had been to Sweden and Norway a couple of times and gotta tell you folks who think that most women there are beautiful got not clue. Even Swedish people will tell you the true. Is just a myth. Most swedes have got dark hair and plenty are pretty fat but not as fat as the UK.
Also they are very prude. Not like Spaniards, Germans or French women who go topless at the beach. ALso Scandinavians are not as friendly or as warm. as the Spanish, French or Italian girls. But once you get to know any Swedish girls then they are friendly. But at first they are cautious and careful to open up. Do yo have time for that?
If yo dont believe me just travel to Spain, Sweden or Norway then tell me otherwise.
MY first trip to Spain was back in ’97 during my college summer break and I keep going there each year. So I went to Spain for only 1 week, ended up staying for two months, then on my second day I was lost and I asked this tall blond, green eyes Spanish girl if she could show me how to get to Picasso Museum in Barcelona. This is what she said to me, “If you dont mind I am heading that way and would be happy to show you.” I almost die. I even asked her if she was a MODEL.. She thought that was funny and she modestly laugh saying, “NO I am just a normal Spanish girl.” It didnt take me long to get it after noticing that most girls there do look like models.
Next day we met again and she took me to the beach. First thing she did when we got there and sat on the towel, was take her top off. And I almost died again. I am not going to bored you with the rest of my trip and my wonderful first time there.
The whole world, specially people from the USA should visit Spain since after all they were the ones who got us into the Americas. GO Pau Gasol and the Lakers!! He is also from Spain and the only white Lakers player in the starting team. Folks make not mistake, Spain do have the best looking women in EUROPE travel there and tell me otherwise. Argentinian is a close second mostly since they are mixed with Spaniards and Italians. And of course Holland and Hungary do have beautiful women too.
BTW in the USA many Iranian women do look like men. That is a fact and only feel secure by showing their Gucci, Prada bags and shoes, their Rolex watches and any other Europe made clothes. Why is that? They want to pass for Europeans at all cost. Sorry but I had never heard of Iranian and beautiful women in the same sentence.

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Marco Polo January 9, 2010 at 20:39

“The average height of Americans is also decreasing even though in the past White Americans were the tallest people on Earth.’

I agree with this.. Europe is taller than the folks in the USA.. and by far slimmer.
tallest in Europe?
Holland, Sweden, Germany, Spain (look at all the NBA basketball players coming out of there), Hungary are on top of the list.

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Marco Polo January 9, 2010 at 21:02

” don’t just sprinkle everything with sugar (or *vomit* sweetener). And even their sweets aren’t as sweet as over here.”
Totally agree with this. Stay away from soda,Coke and the many food items, including most cereals, where besides sugar, then you also have “corn syrup” and “fructose.”
Why? Those ingredients are great part of the obesity in the USA. You dont find that in Europe. Yet doctors and the USA government doesnt get it??

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Svetlana January 9, 2010 at 21:10

Regarding the Russians see here;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-458832/Invasion-Russian-gold-diggers.html

Natalia, Ludmila, Nastia, Svetlana, Oxana – were they typical? It had become clear to me that I had only scratched the surface – that there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands out there, looking for a rich British date.
But let me offer a word of warning to over-sexed Englishmen hoping for an easy catch and quick escape.
These Russians are no credulous bimbos. Nor are they one-night escorts in search of a smart restaurant, champagne and a taxi home.
They may be hot stuff, but they are smarter than you, more determined than you – and probably taller than you, too.
So think twice before messing with an unattached Russian lady. Believe me, there will be a high price to pay.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-458832/Invasion-Russian-gold-diggers.html#ixzz0cBNvJlIc

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Blade January 12, 2010 at 15:52

Eastern Europe and Russia has the best looking girls. Long legged and slim, with smooth skin is gorgeous.

Contrary to popular belief, they do age well. Kris is a gay homo. And Swetlana is a fat cow. I seen more gold diggers in the U.s. , than anywhere else.

The other place is Italy, France, and Spain are full of hot women.

In the Western Hemisphere, you have to go with Brazil, Argentina, and Costa Rica.

Nordic Europe is overrated. Britain full of uglies.

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Blade January 12, 2010 at 15:56

kis you must be a gay guy to leave the 10s with the 10s and go for 7s.

Fact is 10s are meants for sex and to be knocked up at all costs. Obviously you must be a flaming homo.

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Blade January 12, 2010 at 15:58

Justinian,

you are gay. Most of the hot Brazilian women are the ones of Eastern European ancestery. And in Eastern Europe, women are very sexual, but it takes place at night.

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Globalman January 12, 2010 at 16:26

Svetlana January 9, 2010 at 21:10

Russian chicks are hot and at least they are honest about their intents. They tell you right up front they are looking for a husband and babies which means money. I have been dating eastern chicks exclusively for nearly 2 years now and they make western women look like the crap they are.

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Casanova January 23, 2010 at 06:10

In the above list first pic of a dutch girl is by far the most beautiful girl in this list and east european girl has good figure. In general i have seen that ITALIAN wone are most beautiful which i discovered after coming across a movie calle Lover Boy featuring “Edwige Fenech”. Edwige Fenech is the most charming women i have seen till date and there are many other beautiful women from italy like Monica Bellucci. I am from India but thinking of migrationg to Italy and marrying an italian women as beautiful as Edwige Fenech. I welcome anyone would like to help me on that : )

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helena January 26, 2010 at 16:02

Who is the Eastern European woman? – is she a model ot just some girl, and does she have a name?

By far the most beautiful.

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jasminrose March 28, 2010 at 14:21

The most beautiful women in the world..
Who have won the most Crown from MISS UNIVERSE…?
ANSWER RESOLVE ; )
Top rank
( Venezuela and Puerto Rico.. )

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Stallywood March 28, 2010 at 19:25

I married a Spanish woman after being stationed in Spain. A Spanish woman is with me in my Avatar\pic. But of the women I have experienced or at least seen, here goes:

1. Israeli\ Persian\ India
2 Italian
2. Eastern\ Urkraine\Czech
3. Norweigan
4. Spanish and French (sexiest)
5. Mexicans
6. Asians

Actually all these women are great looking. I even saw great looking women when I went to Bahrain. I met some mixed women Thai\India in Montreal that were great, And in St. Thomas. I try to list the most attractive by sheer beauty, and percentage of beautiful women.
This is an impossible task, there are so many.

Stally

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Lavazza March 29, 2010 at 05:51

For the criteria of how women look in their forties female politicians might be a useful bench mark. Women who are not genteic freaks earning their keep by looking good, but who still need to look pleasant because they are in the public eye.

Here are some Swedish politicians in their forties.

http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/index.aspx?nid=1111&iid=0784309503313

(minister)

http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/index.aspx?nid=1111&iid=0977860675311

(minister)

http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/index.aspx?nid=1111&iid=0977860675311

(minister, black woman born in Congo)

And the wife of the PM who is also a prominent politician (local politics in Stockholm)

http://images.google.se/images?hl=fr&source=hp&q=Filippa+Reinfeldt&btnG=Recherche+d%27images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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Char April 7, 2010 at 15:07

What about British women?? Food for thought! aahahahahah…x

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mike April 7, 2010 at 18:58

I’m English and I have to say that by looks we are getting a bit fat these days almost like Americans. I would say though that with the exception of Kate Moss and the like its the girls that are ugly in UK all fat and ugly looking and terrible dressers. Most British men are quite good looking but are a bit loud and act stupid sometimes. I have been to Eastern Europe and its true the women are very beautiful there but the men there are the ugliest you have ever seen!!!!! And there women may be beautiful but they are very devious and cunning to milk you of your money as thats is all you are to them once you see past there acting and fake smiles. I then realised that British girls have a very good sense of humour and that counts for alot. Scandinavians are beautiful and very honest but they tend to be feminists so my conclusion is it would be so much easier to be gay which sadly i am not. I am not into asian or Brazilian women but alot of men are. I dont get it. Asian women have short dumpy legs and you can never be confident its not a man! Scary! Brazilian didnt look that hot to me from the documentary i saw.

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Mario F April 14, 2010 at 02:28

You all really have not been to Trinidad in the Caribbean. Talk about diversity. A little research into the history of the island tells of a melting pot of races, many of which intermarried and have created some of the most stunning beauties on Earth. People constantly rant about Venezuela,which happens to be 7 miles off the coast of Trinidad, as having the most beautiful women. This, they attribute to their number of wins and places in beauty pageants like Miss Universe and Miss World. The number of beauty titles means that they are very competitive and play hardball when it comes to pageants. In Venezuela, every girl aspires to be Miss Venezuela, it is the Super Bowl for them! But if ever you see the before and after pictures of their delegates, you’d realize that they are quite plasticated, manufactured and have had tonnes of cosmetic enhancing surgeries. So back to Trinidad, for a country with a population of just over 1.2 million or so, they’ve actually won two Miss Universes, that’s 1 Miss Universe per 600, 000 people, pretty impressive per capita feat.

Now I’ve been for Carnival and it really is a carnal feast…again under marketed but truly a gem. I have seen the most stunning Nordic whites, to the most exotic Middle Eastern, some of the most stunning Indian women and the most statuesque African Goddesses. To be honest, there seems to be every race. And let’s not get started with the mixes, the most predominant being African and Indian and then the many mixes of European and Asian and European and African. I asked one girl what her mixture was and she said, Portuguese, French, Indian, Chinese and Carib (native). Talk about exotic. Another said she was Lebanese, Indian, African and Spanish….wow!

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Nutz May 29, 2010 at 01:19

The area with the most beautiful women IMO is that region where Eastern Europe, Russian, and Scandinavia come together, primarily Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. Best looking women I’ve ever seen. In Riga the girls at the McDonald’s and beer gardens are easily Playboy quality, and without the airbrushing.

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los October 11, 2010 at 01:32

The Ethiopian is most beautiful photo

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Jaime Hankin November 16, 2010 at 10:57

Ha! Those aren’t the best looking women in the world. They are good looking that’s true. But I’ve seen way better looking ladies. Try here: http://www.squidoo.com/worldsmostbeautifulwomen

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MFH November 21, 2010 at 09:09

I would like to see you travel to Greenland. Tall, physically fit and blond. I was suprised you didn’t have an Indian beauty. You did hit the nail on the head with your feminity comment. Supple women, in the end attract me the most. I know what happens later on; we can always hope they will discover bike riding. I lived in Europe for four years, hard bodies everywhere. I could not wait to get home and squeeze a lean but supple American girl.

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dani January 11, 2011 at 04:03

i would say it is a good seletion but economic wellbieng has value in buty of any girl ,african girls are the most buitifful girls becouse if they ffound more happines they converted to white and have smily faceses specialy eritrean and ethiopian girls but white girls they are always white ,and buity is not only face but some thing inside it ,if we see the estern eropean girl with aggressive look she is butifull but she miss some thing the ethiopian girl have honesty smile . thnx for reading

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yakop January 13, 2011 at 14:29

iv been in manny contry’s and my top
sweden
holland
turkey
greece
ukrain
brasil

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kaveh February 20, 2011 at 05:14

I AM SURE YOU ARE NOT A WISE PERSON,BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE SEEN A PERSIAN WOMAN(IRANIAN) WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE THEN YOU WILL NEVER SAY SUCH IRRATIONAL THINGS.

PERSIANS ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLES IN THE WORLD,THEIR RACE IS ARYA.

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Descartes March 5, 2011 at 11:44

Maybe dental health is a factor too? Afterall, your body deals with the results 24/7. This is just my observation, but i dont think i have ever seen a women that had youthful appearance 30 and up with poor dental hygiene. Infact, the women that i have observed in my lifetime that have had a youthful appearance in their older age have had nice teeth….regardless of being a little overweight or not. On the contrary, I have seen women in their 20′s looking rough and twice their age with bad teeth from things like cigarettes, coffee, Doritos (lol) …all things that go into the mouth….not necessarily leading wild lifestyles either. I have also observed women from many cultures… that had beautiful teeth, skin, hair, and nails…. even if they were not cute in the face….or as shapely in figure….it definitely raises the bar to have a “healthy” look. Maybe its the cultures that leads to a better diet that have healthier/gorgeous looking individuals… Perhaps like economies, that also shifts overtime as countries change culturally.
BTW…. I prefer the Spaniard as far as pictures go ….she just looks like she has alot of spirit… the Eastern European…she cute but she’s up to something :)

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Anonymous March 9, 2011 at 15:21

Dutch women or Russian.

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David K. Meller April 9, 2011 at 14:41

What!! No American or Canadian women?? Are you all BLIND?

I guess not, since to ask that question is to answer it!

Are women in North America naturally homely and unattractive, or do they grow that way because of the feminist infestation of the culture, schools, and workplaces?

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Gemma Shaw April 14, 2011 at 19:12

The Irish women are the most stunning. Especially from Tipperary and Cork. Their exquisitely beautiful.

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W.F. Price April 14, 2011 at 19:32

The Irish women are the most stunning. Especially from Tipperary and Cork. Their exquisitely beautiful

-Gemma Shaw

You’ve got to be kidding me…

Allen May 5, 2011 at 00:11

Lebanese women are the best ever

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Allen May 5, 2011 at 00:14

check this link about Lebanese Women

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dutch all the way June 28, 2011 at 10:53

I’ve lived all over Europe. The most beautiful woman reside in The Netherlands. Hands down. You just won’t find a better ratio anywhere else. Don’t ask me why.. couldn’t tell ya.

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sam July 24, 2011 at 07:51

ugandan ladies are very beatiful. have chocolate colour, got all the curves, juicy, beautiful faces, nice booty. i realised thats wea my research is likly to end.

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Franck November 11, 2011 at 19:49

I don’t care, in France (parisian suburbs) there is a lot of girls that looks like that, even much better. They are originally from all over the world.

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Mark December 26, 2011 at 21:31

The most beautiful women can be found anywhere, but for places where the highest percentage of women are beautiful I would say:

The Dutch women for Europe
The Ethiopians for Africa
Ant the South Koreans for asia

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Smooth6 December 28, 2011 at 17:24

“There are entire nationalities where almost no women score 8s or higher.
Have you seen Australian Aborigines? Guatemalans? Sri Lankans? Nigerians?”

- You should add Welsh to that list (especially North Wales). A beautiful woman on the streets would stop traffic there and cause a pile-up, they’re that rare (unless E. Europeans working in larger towns there).

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Johnny January 22, 2012 at 07:40

At the moment I’m going with Colombian girls. OMG!

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Addis February 1, 2012 at 07:31

Give a try to see how The poor or Rich, Modern or Traditional Ethiopians looks like. And from the above comments I learnt something that everyone is mentioning about he people or the place they have seen including me, BUT the truth is in every corner of our world there are many many amazing different kinds of beauties, AND the UNFORGETTABLE truth is every GOD’s creatures are amazing!

Addis

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Rohan March 9, 2012 at 03:30

Hungarian women out of this world

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Stuart October 23, 2012 at 20:18

The most beautiful woman in the world is an Irish girl called Mary Theresa Forde. After coming across her on the net I’ve become obsessed with this chick. she is an Irish writer/personality and I heard her accent on youtube & its seriously sexy. she’s got amazing magnetism. she looks like a blonde angelina jolie/mila kunis as she has these amazing huge green eyes and lovely mouth.

Check her out 4 yourselves guys! http://www.sexiestgirls.net/mary-theresa-forde-16#comments

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norina February 3, 2013 at 11:31

hungarian women are truly the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7gb3Dqn2c chek out

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Anonymous April 24, 2013 at 09:34

They seems to be everywhere I go.

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Jen May 14, 2013 at 09:50

Disagree with the comment that Germanic woman lack feminity
as compared to Mediterranean women. Clearly the Spanish woman pictured isn’t very feminine looking. that’s not to say she’s not attractive. I think there are beautiful people in each and every nation.

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Zaronova May 27, 2013 at 14:06

Eastern women thats an evidence

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Kevin June 5, 2013 at 05:12

Chile, Uruguay and Argentina, believe me.

Chileans have the prettiest faces.

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floris September 1, 2013 at 11:03

dutch women are the most beautiful just look at the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHPiIATxHM

I have been to italy, spain, france, netherlands, denmark, germany, poland, russia, ukraine, romania, bulgaria.. and the dutch women are the most beautiful but I liked danish and swedish women also..

http://images.businessweek.com/bloomberg/pdfs/WORLDS_HEALTHIEST_COUNTRIES.pdf

there also very healthy really seeing a fat person in the netherlands is rare..

I think that eastern european women ore russian women are so popular because of russian dating websites but in reality most of them are quite fat and not that good looking

http://englishrussia.com/2008/09/10/the-wedding/2/

On the whole, Central and Eastern Europeans are fatter than their western neighbors. This is due in part to the former Soviet bloc’s isolation from Western influence, which came to an abrupt end with the end of the Cold War.

“When the wall went down, 60 percent of total foreign investment in Central and Eastern Europe was from fast food, confectionary and soft drink companies,” James said. Less formal marketing plays a part too, such as the nutritional role models presented in American films, where the most glamorous people enjoy steaks and soft drinks.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/health/101119/fat-top-10-obese

the majority of the time they actually use a picture of an american ore western european women on those import-bride site’s I saw this on television

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Peter November 21, 2013 at 18:43

The two ugliest women I’ve ever seen in my life is a Danish woman and a German woman. Both look like men, and have leathery skin the texture of a crocodile (not approximated texture, but exact texture), with the faces of dudes on their bodies. Their bodies are not large like American women, instead they are quite tall and slim but butt ugly. I wouldn’t fuck them if my life depended on it.

The worst thing was the German woman tied her hair into two braids. I found out apparently that’s a very German hairstyle, something common in their country. That look would have been okay if she had a feminine girly beautiful face. Really, all she looked was like Arnold Schwarzenegger with two braids. Like a transvestite.

The only men who would marry women who look like that are white American men with european ‘colonial hangover’. The German is married to an American and the Danish woman isn’t.

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Maria December 29, 2013 at 06:21

The most ugly woman in the earth is etupia and somaila the are very very very ugly woman in the univers

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Ethiopian January 20, 2014 at 01:33

Ethiopian is the most beautifull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ethiopian January 20, 2014 at 01:39

And Maria its almost seems likle u are so irritated at how amaizingly Beatiful Ethiopians and Somalians are , no need to be jealous u age badly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry we are just unattainable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the likes of u

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LOL Asian February 16, 2014 at 02:47

If you want a women that ages well, then look no further then Oriental women of East Asia. Cause you know that Asian age well.

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Leo February 18, 2014 at 06:32

I am Greek. I like Asian women but more specifically, I like the most Central Asian women, i.e. Kazakh, Kipchak, Uzbek, Turkmen, some Turkish women (only those with a lot of Asian blood) and North Chinese/Mongol women.

I think women fm the above mentioned countries are the most sexually attractive in the world.

The concept of “Beauty” is in the eye of the beholder and very subjective. I tend to find beautiful what arouses me sexually, and Caucasian women tend to sexually arouse me little to none at all as is the case with Northern Euro women (the blonde or red-haired, fine featured light-eyed types). Most of the latter make me want to run away tbh.

Although I look like a typical south european with green eyes, I have got 1/8th Asian ancestry from Central Asia but I have nothing Asian on me. Dunno if this plays a part in my sexual tastes.

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Anonymous March 29, 2014 at 09:40

the Dutch girl is by far the most attractive of all of them,maybe it’s because I’m Germanic in origin who knows but I swear that is the most attractive girl I’ve ever seen

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Aehr April 16, 2014 at 14:15

The prettiest among the rest are the asian. They dont need to put make up because their exotic looks it was shown their feminine simplisity natural beauty.

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