Feminist Rantings for your Entertainment

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by Welmer on October 16, 2009

I thought it might be fun to share a few comments that illustrate the reaction of feminists to this site:

HAHAHHAHAHAHA OH SWEETIE

I’m not sure whether to think you’re a closet case or a virgin who’s only ever touched his mommy’s boobs.

*pets* I hear they make really good sex-dolls nowadays, maybe look into it?

I’m gonna go watch some Star Trek TOS now, you know the show written by Dorothy Fontana?

Have a fail-tastic day, honey!

-Versy

Notice shaming language and teenage channer rhetoric. I hope this troll stays underground with her Star Trek during daylight hours.

No I don’t think I will try again. I rather like the word micopenis. Micropenis, micropenis, micropenis. Or wait, is it disfigured? Because I’m not sure I feel morally in the right to try to tease someone with a handicap.

-Versy

Same troll, apparently still excited by genital imagery.

I hope you realize that this article has made sure that you will never get laid again.

Also, Ada Lovelace and Marie Curie are laughing at you.

-Jen

More sexual shaming language (what is this, middle school?). She also thinks she can win the argument by throwing out two names.

I don’t normally read this website so maybe someone here can help me out–is the author of this article normally a reactionary douchebag or is this just a parody of emasculated fanboys?

-Tim

Feminist mangina. Also a trekkie, I’m sure. I never knew there was such a status hierarchy amongst scifi fans.

First fully realized science fiction novel: Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein.

Your premise is as invalid as it is insulting, ignorant, and all-around laughable. Enjoy having to pay for sex for most of your life.

-Annoyed

This is the most typical troll response (as illustrated previously by “Jen”). Throw out one or two facts out of context and then use sexual shaming language.

Scotcheroos:

Ingredients
1 cup sugar
1 cup corn syrup, light
1 cup peanut butter
6 cups crisp rice cereal
1/2 cup chocolate chips
1 1/2 cups butterscotch chips
Directions

In a large saucepan, combine sugar and corn syrup.

Heat just until bubbly.

Remove from heat and stir in peanut butter.

Stir until well blended, then gently stir in cereal.

Lightly press mixture into buttered 9 x 13 inch pan.

In double boiler or microwave oven, combine chocolate and butterscotch chips and melt.

Immediately spread over bars in pan.

Refrigerate just until chocolate sets and hardens slightly.

Cut in squares.

-”Your Mom”

Someone’s got a lot of time on their hands… I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen recipe spamming before.

“It is truly remarkable how much time is wasted on education and how little kids learn as a result.”

Obviously! that’s why we have little fuckheads like you running around with absolutely NO FUCKING IDEA!!!!

BTW I love your blog!

That’s because you’re a sycophant homo tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurd!

-Brenda

At least she got one big word in there.

And finally:

This is so, incredibly, pathetic.

-Sarah

But nevertheless, worth the responses of dozens of little femgeeks.

So there you go. This is but a sampling of the trollery we have attracted, and seems to indicate that our primary foes in the gender wars are insecure, female nerds who know they live in a house of cards. When you see these types at work or out on the street, remember these posts, and evaluate them accordingly.

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z.g. October 16, 2009 at 04:27

What women and femtards do not realize is that by using those sexual shaming insults they create the following logical pathway in many men’s minds:

you can’t get laid, you are a loser, etc => So female sexuality is a reward, as seen by women.

This leads to the observation:

Women, at least for short term sexuality give this reward to the ones least deserving (in men’s eyes); douchebags, criminals, assholes, jerks etc (players and handsome men are not really in this category)

Combining those two:

1. The reward that women dish out by their sexuality has no value if it is dished out to the douchebags&co treating them like shit

2. Any woman who has given the reward to ones not deserving it is a slut, her sexuality has no value as the reward has been given in exchange of no value

2.a. Acknowledging that women are the gatekeepers of sex, making women accountable for almost all the problems we see in the sexual/dating world.

3. If I want reward, easiest way to get it is follow “Men behaving badly”.

So what these women do actually is justifying the slut brand, encouraging men to behave badly, and least but not last nullifying the value of a female as a person, as all the reward a woman can give is sex.

Nothing benefitting women themselves, which actually would have a detrimental effect on women, were it not for the almost infinite support net given by society/state.

Now someone may claim: turning men into badboys is not detrimental to women, as they get what they want.

Yes, women also got the apple they wanted. Look what happened.

nilk October 16, 2009 at 04:33

Heh. Poor little feminasties. Can’t deal with real men, and as you point out, shaming language abounds.

So many claims that you’d never get laid again, or have to pay for it. Somehow, I don’t see that as a problem for any of the contributors here. The fems don’t quite understand real men as opposed to manginas.

Personally, I’d rather spend a few hours in the company of any of the authors here than a women’s rights circle jerk. At least I can be assured of lively and robust (is that redundant) conversation, and my intellect would be challenged.

Keep up the good work guys, and between you and me, I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the feminists playing “critic” got a bit wet with those attempts at verbal assault.

Idiots. It’s really a damned shame more women don’t use their logic.

Zammo October 16, 2009 at 05:18

Well, based on those rantings, it’s quite clear that logic and reason are tools of the patriarchy and to be studiously avoided by feminists.

djc October 16, 2009 at 05:52

All I can say is thank God I’m single.

Exposing Feminism October 16, 2009 at 06:13

Isn’t it about time that they upped their game? The shaming language is getting boring – it’s so easy to ignore.. ;-)
E F

Obsidian October 16, 2009 at 06:32

Welmer,
Yo, I wanna be down to write for The Spearhead. Holla at me, let’s talk.

As for the topic, like I said on the “Data” thread the other day, I truly hope you don’t moderate anything in the least. Let the world see the truly vacuous, insipid, intellectually and morally bankrupt thing that the modern day Feminist Movement truly is, in their own words. For my part I relish in that, as they squirm and moan their way out of our rock solid arguments.

Notice how few if any of the lady commenters actually took me up on the points I made in Pro Male’s SciFi thread, even when I said, hey, I’m for the Free Market and that if Women want their own SciFi I’m all for it. Note how Marisa couldn’t forge a legit counterargument to the points I made. This is common. And now we know, that we got their number.

So, if there is one thing I ask of you, Welmer, its to please, please, please, do not delete anything from these people; let The Spearhead be a witness to the Bane of Western Civ’s existence.

The rest, will speak for itself.

The Obsidian

Welmer October 16, 2009 at 06:41

Sure, Obsidian, use the contact form. I was a bit overwhelmed earlier in the week.

Krauser October 16, 2009 at 06:47

Best thing about shaming language is that the moment you grasp the concept it loses all of its power. In fact there’s a reversal, because it’s a “tell” on the vacuity of the opponent.

When you spend most of your social hours in the company of educated men, arguing with manginas and feminists is like splashing through the paddling pool

Obsidian October 16, 2009 at 07:28

Thanks Welmer. My internet situation is a bit of touch and go these days, hence my not contacting via the method you just described, but if all goes well, that should be cooled out soon. I got a laptop laying around that I need to get up and running, and should be grabbing up a netbook next month, along w/a new smartphone, so I should be cool real soon.

In the meantime, I figured what I’d do, once my own blog is up and running, is send a piece or two to you and we’ll go from there. Let’s say, first week of next month?
Holla back

The Obsidian

Welmer October 16, 2009 at 07:37

OK. Get in touch when you’re ready.

by_the_sword October 16, 2009 at 08:02

“First fully realized science fiction novel: Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein.

Your premise is as invalid as it is insulting, ignorant, and all-around laughable. Enjoy having to pay for sex for most of your life.”

“Frankenstein” or “The Hidden Prometheus” was written around 1800. “Gulliver’s Travels” which featured advanced science was written 50 years before that. In 1516, Thomas Moore wrote “Utopia” About a fictional place with science and technology so advanced that death and suffering were nearly eliminated. In the 1600’s Cyrano DeBergerac wrote “The Other World: The comical history of the States and Empires of the Moon” which involved space travel.

Mary Shelley’s work was certainly groundbreaking and deserves merit, but she was hardly the first science fiction writer, despite what the feminized academia might have us believe.

cubejockey October 16, 2009 at 09:05

The vapidness of these rants makes me realize that the situation we men find ourselves in today is of our own making. They’ve ‘won’ because we let them. Seriously, there is no reason for men to ‘go their own way’ or opt out of anything. We just need to push back in our individual lives and collectively when it comes to the courts etc.. and this edifice the feminists and manginas have built will collapse like the house of cards that it is. Not only do they, deep down, want men to act like men but they need us to.

As for Mary Shelley, I remember reading that textual analysis of ‘Frankenstein’ points to Percy Shelley, her husband, as the author. I believe even feminist icon Camille Paglia subscribes to this belief.

Gx1080 October 16, 2009 at 09:39

Yawn. Bunch of pathetical attempts of trolling. I know that we should expose feminists as what they are and all, but seriously, that just scream “I’m single and need attention”. I expected something more interesting.

And of course that they won’t adress the points, they are too busy trying to look big, important and scary by insulting. Trust me, when people don’t find how to defend themselves in the Internet, they resort to this. This is a show of weakness and hurt egos.

Harry was mostly right. These comments aren’t worth of our time, but not because we always hear the women, their manginas and their pimps, they aren’t worth out time because this is a typical case of butthurt. Those are dime a dozen. They are funny, and a victory, but that can be said about any victory in a flame war.

Paul October 16, 2009 at 10:18

The above comments put me in mind of Orwell’s 1984. It might be overlooked that the intention of ‘Big Brother’ was not only that it should be obeyed but that it should also be loved. Indeed that is how the novel end with Winston declaring that he loved ‘Big Brother’. And so it is with the above comments. They can not abide that even in a small corner of the internet there is someone who does not love ‘feminism’. Even in our private thoughts we must only love and think well of feminism and woman.

Welmer let me know if this post elicit a comment about the size of my penis or my inability to get laid.

21Guns October 16, 2009 at 10:30

Recipe spamming is an old, old Usenet gimmick. I can’t believe anyone does that anymore.

Globalman October 16, 2009 at 10:45

cubejockey October 16, 2009 at 9:05 am
“the situation we men find ourselves in today is of our own making. They’ve ‘won’ because we let them.”
We are in the situation we are in because guys with guns arrest us, or threaten to arrest us, and put us in jail. Please stop looking at the women and look at the courts. It is the court system that is corrupt. It’s just that they are rewarding women for wielding it against us. Pretty much ALL the issues men have are ‘laws’ that are being enforced by MEN. Us men are so ignorant that we keep looking horizontally at the women and not UP to notice that our real problem is MEN.

We can stop this abuse in court in its tracks using common law and 12 good men on a jury. How many men know that 12 good men can form a jury, judge a judge, and incarcerate him according to their veridict? You can do this TODAY in all common law countries. This is the message I am trying to get across to men. They are very reluctant to hear it. Spearhead time guys….pointy end of the stick. You have the solution to your problems in your own hands. Form dejour juries and throw judges in jail. They might kill a few of us for doing so. But if we get 1,000 men willing to sit on those Juries? They can not kill us all without being obvious about it.

A judge orders that a mans children be taken off him over his objection? If 12 good men call that a crime they can put him in jail. It’s THAT simple. Cops arrest a guy on the ‘must arrest’ policy and put him in jail without due process? The cops can be punished by 12 good men. I am really not sure how to make it any plainer.

We are in the position we are in because 99.999% of men are ignorant. Isn’t this place about piecing the shield of ignorance?

http://www.tpuc.org/Common-Law

Magna Carta 1215:
“[20] A free man shall not be amerced for a trivial offence except in accordance with the degree of the offence, and for a grave offence he shall be amerced in accordance with its gravity, yet saving his way of living; and a merchant in the same way, saving his stock-in-trade; and a villein shall be amerced in the same way, saving his means of livelihood–if they have fallen into our mercy: and none of the aforesaid amercements shall be imposed except by the oath of good men of the neighbourhood”

Notice the requirement for an OATH of good men of the neighbourhood. This means no man can be incarcerated without an OATH from someone of a crime committed. Someone must make an accusation of a crime on an affidavit signed under penalty of perjury and full commercial liability.

[39] No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights and possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.

Notice that ‘lawful judgement of his equals’ or ‘law of the land’ is required. And by ‘law of the land’ they mean common law, not statutes. Lawful judgement of his equals is a jury trial. These laws are still in place across the former british empire.

Lastly, please notice:

“[45] We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or other officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well.”

This means that any man who takes the oath of ‘peace officer’ is taking on the obligation to know the law and minded to keep it well. Therefore ignorance of that law is no excuse.

Globalman October 16, 2009 at 10:46

“Ada Lovelace and Marie Curie are laughing at you.”
There is no evidence Ada Lovelace did much of anything. Many suspect Babbage did all the work. Marie Curie got 1/3 of a nobel prize and most likely because her huband wanted to get laid. Women are pathetic. Even their ‘heros’ are fakes.

sugarandspice October 16, 2009 at 11:01

Paul October 16, 2009 at 10:18 am

You’re just intimidated by a ’strong and independent’ woman, who only needs her child support payments (from three different fathers), her female-only scholarship to study the enemy at college, and work as a stripper before marrying a rich feminist man, who will defer to me until I am bored of him, where I will divorce him, take him to the cleaners and turn lesbian.

You must have a really big penis, lots of girlfriends…I mean you must have a really small….oh never mind, its all your fault for confusing me!!!

Kevin K October 16, 2009 at 11:49

Marie Curie won 1 and 1/3 nobel prizes. She was an excellent laboratory scientist. I have no problem with people using her as a role model as long as they are willing to do the excellent, tedious work she did.

dragnet October 16, 2009 at 12:49

“Marie Curie got 1/3 of a nobel prize and most likely because her huband wanted to get laid. Women are pathetic. Even their ‘heros’ are fakes.”

You’ve posted a lot of dumb shit on this site GM, but this takes the cake. Marie Curie won TWO Nobels, and is regarded as one of more brilliant minds to ever walk the face of the planet.

Fuck you.

Karl October 16, 2009 at 13:02

GM,

You don’t aid an argument by overextending it.
Stop it. Charging out and breaking formation is just as bad as attacking it.

MikeeUSA October 16, 2009 at 16:49

Speaking of female nerds, the “geek feminists” of geekfeminism.org have had almost every opensource thing I’ve contributed to the free-software movement deleted from sourceforge (the main hosting website for the opensource world). I wrote about it on mikeeusa.pressword.com . They’ve had my perl terminal videogames deleted (gpcslots2 and rpg1 (a text based casino simulator and an RPG)), my miscellaneous utilities deleted (useful for searching through RAM, etc), and my ~40 Nexuiz maps deleted (3d maps for the videogame nexuiz which took 3 years of almost continious effort to make). They have sought out pretty much any place I have an outlet on the net and campaigned to have it removed. They are also trying to have me imprisoned. Could you shine light on this?

The geek feminists are trying and have been succeding in kicking anti-feminist men out of opensource (Like how they had Ted (Jonathan) Walther kicked out of debian some years back). The geek feminists do NOT produce anything, it is the men who create free-software. Yet we are being brought to heel. What can be done?

Factory October 16, 2009 at 17:05

Here it is, the new magazine. Next issue will be dealing with issues surrounding Marriage, Divorce, and Child Custody. I had a great response for this issue when it comes to writers, I’d like to see a better one for the next….cause f*ck me are these a lot of work!

[URL=http://www.4shared.com/file/141402452/444b0635/MRmagazine_lo_res_web.html][IMG]http://dc176.4shared.com/img/141402452/444b0635/MRmagazine_lo_res_web.pdf[/IMG][/URL]

globalman October 16, 2009 at 18:21

Women are better then men……except… ;-)

http://poststuff4.entensity.net/100909/flash.php?media=mvw.flv

Very funny….give this to the femnazis…

Kathy Farrelly October 17, 2009 at 00:06

Too funny, Global man :)

Malishious Intent October 17, 2009 at 02:40

The recipe spam was really funny though. Gotta give a little credit for that unless they cut and pasted instead of typing it out all over again.

r October 17, 2009 at 04:44

Good heavens, the unimaginative, predictable shaming language is beyond pathetic. Ladies (and manginas), your shaming language doesn’t work when we don’t care what you think and place no value upon it. We can find women who aren’t angry and don’t have chips on their shoulders while we ignore the emasculated men who pursue favor with them like a codependent puppy willing to jump through hoops for morsels of its master’s attention.

Why would we care what you think? Go ahead and continue the delusion that your shaming comments matter. They don’t. Most of us men place as much value on your shaming comments as we do on insults hurled at us from mentally unstable and unbalanced people. Perhaps they’re one and the same.

Amused October 17, 2009 at 08:30

Krauser said: “Best thing about shaming language is that the moment you grasp the concept it loses all of its power. In fact there’s a reversal, because it’s a “tell” on the vacuity of the opponent.”

And we see the following nuggets from the various icons of, ‘Logical Male Thought” in this magazine:

“One female blogger writes about “rage blackouts that threatened to destroy my ability to retain what my eyes were seeing” (got Midol?). ” (from the post “Data and denuciations).

Yep, because the only reason someone telling an entire class of people to get out of “his” swimming pool (even though the pool is public, and nothing stops him from reading Johnny Ringo, S.M. Stirling, David Weber, David Drake, Kim Stanley Robinson, John Gardner, etc), might be annoyed is she’s having her period.

Right in this thread we see, “Bunch of pathetical attempts of trolling. I know that we should expose feminists as what they are and all, but seriously, that just scream “I’m single and need attention”.

Which is the same language being decried.

Globalman (heckuva name there… One World Order Much?) seems to think the US is a common law country (and, oddly, that all such countries are the same; and in some way non-changeable). Since we are not a common law country (though descended from one), his argument for “insurrection by law” (for want of a better term) fails on its face.

When one ponders that the the quirk of common law is that none of it is permanent, his assertions that “all common law countries” allow such a thing is somewhat ridiculous.

But really, the premise of most of the writing here is of a similar vein. Arguing that the Gulliver’s Travels (or Utopia) were SF is fatuous. They were in keeping with any number of writings in the class of “fabulans” being discussions of either how the world was (GT, and it being a political satire) or how it could never be (Utopia).

They certainly don’t fall into the trope of “Manly Men Solving Things Through Science”. Trying to steal Mary Shelley’s acheivement through a single reference to a textual analysis of the work which then claims her husband (not the most stereotypically “manly” of men, what with is relationship with Byron) isn’t all that much of a show of certaintly in the cause (which I keep seeing defended as, “one or two names don’t a refutation make”, never mind that the collection of names adds up to a fair bit, and none of that takes into account the problems of institutional biases against women; which is why Leigh Brackett, Andre Norton, James Tiptree, et alia, had to resort to neuter/pseudononymous names; but I digress).

The real problem with your magazine, and why you will continue to get the sorts of (sadly validating) responses is that you are so damned defensive. If you don’t like Modern SF ™, don’t read it. There is lots of “man porn” out there. With Guys killing monsters and solving problems. Look to the various Libertarian Presses. Read that.

Because the sad fact of the matter is, the world isn’t what it was 40 years ago when I was young (and thank god for that… it’s a helluva lot better. I get laid more, have a better sense of place, and don’t have to deal with the side effects of an entire half the population being stifled; legally, socially, emotionally).

You don’t like it? Too bad. You are losing the battle. Enough of us DO like it that your mewlings about how oppressed you are aren’t going to reverse the trend.

So get over it, grow up, and move on.

Welmer October 17, 2009 at 14:58

You don’t like it? Too bad. You are losing the battle. Enough of us DO like it that your mewlings about how oppressed you are aren’t going to reverse the trend.

-Amused

Is this a fan of a particular 40yo scifi author who owns cats?

FWIW, we don’t want to go backward at all, and most writers here (including me) could care less about scifi.

We just want to go forward, to a better place where men are free to be themselves (which includes openly expressing their opinions about their interests, as PMAFT did) and are treated as equal parents and partners rather than potential criminals and draft animals.

No, we aren’t trying to “reverse” anything — we’re just throwing off the chains, and we certainly don’t want to go back to being one-dimensional caricatures of the 1950s patriarch.

As for the Midol quip, you have to admit that she certainly opened herself up to that with her humorous emoting. I have to admit that the emotional response some women have had to PMAFT’s post still surprises me.

Harry October 17, 2009 at 15:32

@Amused

“Because the sad fact of the matter is, the world isn’t what it was 40 years ago when I was young (and thank god for that… it’s a helluva lot better. I get laid more, have a better sense of place, and don’t have to deal with the side effects of an entire half the population being stifled; legally, socially, emotionally).”

Perhaps you should spend less time reading SciFi fiction and more time trying to understand what has been going on for the past 40 years; and why.

Indeed, why are you here at all? – wasting your time with us losers?

Haven’t you got better things to do?

Obviously not!

globalman October 17, 2009 at 17:45

dragnet October 16, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“Marie Curie won TWO Nobels, and is regarded as one of more brilliant minds to ever walk the face of the planet.”
My bad, I checked and she was awarded 1 and 1/3 nobel prizes. But let’s have a tiny peek at our friends at the people who hand out the Nobel Prizes…I guess that the Nobel Prize people are really on the ball and are really honest aren’t they?

After all they gave Al Gore a Nobel Prize for a movie and movement about ‘Global Warming’ when the earth was actually cooling and has been for 10 years now….as well as also being much cooler than the medieval warm period…Oops….it is now so obvious they had to change the campaign to ‘global climate change’ from global warming to ‘fight global climate change’ only problem is that climate change is completely normal. Now they are going to tax you whether the global temperature is going up OR down.

Oh..and lets not forget the commander in chief of the worlds currently most destructive army which is engaged in two unlawful and illegal wars responsible just got the ‘Peace Prize’.

The hypocricy that the Nobel prizes are made available based on the wars waged by the Illuminati does not register with you? Yep…sounds like Nobel Prizes are awarded on merit to me.. ;-)

It’s like the story with Winston Churchill. He recently won a competition where brits voted for the greatest brit of all time and Churchill won. What most brits don’t know is he was actually a major player in getting WWII started and was one of the most decietful and just plain evil men of all time. And also heavily connected to the Rothchilds.

Amused October 17, 2009 at 8:30 am
“Since we are not a common law country (though descended from one), his argument for “insurrection by law” (for want of a better term) fails on its face.”
Amused. It never ceases to amaze me how people can state something blatantly false and believe it. ‘Ignorance is strength’….for them. Common law exists and is available in the US except for Luisiana(French civil law) and your guvment is doing it’s best to hide that from you. With you, it seems, they are successful. Common law is ‘the law of the land’, the law of the ‘common’ people.

The CON-stitution is appropriately named. They tell you how wonderful it is and it is a complete con to get you to believe that laws are made by a small group of men far away who fraudulently call themselves ‘lawmakers’. They make legislation and statutes, not laws. But…some people simply can not be told. They are way too smart to actually need to do some reading to ind out if this is true.

Amused. Let me do the tiniest little lookup for you since you seem to be unable to do it for yourself on a topic so important as the lawful system of the US and much of the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

“The common law constitutes the basis of the legal systems of: England and Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland, federal law in the United States and the law of individual U.S. states (except Louisiana), federal law throughout Canada and the law of the individual provinces and territories (except Quebec), Australia (both federal and individual states), New Zealand, South Africa, India, Malaysia, Brunei, Pakistan, Singapore, Hong Kong, and many other generally English-speaking countries or Commonwealth countries (except Malta and Scotland).”

Oops Amused. Now, in 1938 they implemented Admiralty law over the top of common law in the courts and in the US a court convenes in Admiralty law, also codified into Uniform Commerical Code, unless it is put into Coomon Law jurisdiction by someone who knows how to do that…which would be me and not you.

Gents. How many times am I going to have to talk about Common Law and it’s use as the basis for enforcing the equal rights for men that we actually already have for common law before some other guys say “Hey, this is really interesting, we have an etire legal system that has been hidden from us? What is that all about?” We have 6,000 members across on ThinkFree. You think they are all ‘dupes’?

Tarl October 17, 2009 at 23:00

Best thing about shaming language is that the moment you grasp the concept it loses all of its power. In fact there’s a reversal, because it’s a “tell” on the vacuity of the opponent.

Accusations of raaaaaaaaacism are like that, too.

Ada Lovelace and Marie Curie are laughing at you.

Did they write science fiction? If not, what is the relevance of this?

rebel October 18, 2009 at 09:17

Maybe I will care a little about the femmies reactions but, most important things first: I must determine what has happened to my first diaper. I figure that this is much more important than the feminazies’s opinions. (for what they are worth…LOL!!!).

Sophia October 18, 2009 at 13:48

Dialog is necessary for change. Otherwise, we have Group A shouting cries of misogyny on one side, and Group B shouting cries of misandry on the other. No one is listening…only soapboxing through a post that is followed by like-minded commenters. There is little dialog. As a result, there is no room for change.

Ironically, your site makes the same mistake as the feminist blogs that I follow: arguments are made passionately, and the writer moves on. The environment of the website(s) are vitriolic and emotional and this leaves members of the Group B in that context discouraged to engage in dialog.

Are your goals a consistent, rational argument, strengthened over time through citable evidence that is more involved than anecdotal (that reminds me of this one time…) evidence? Occasionally I see a post listing stats, but the are interpreted by a lay reader and not the researchers that did the work.

Welmer October 18, 2009 at 14:15

@Sophia

First we have to get people reading the material, and dry, academic stuff isn’t necessarily going to attract all that many readers. However, those that want to engage on a deeper level can easily find a lot of thoughtful material, and I, for one, encourage discussion by all sides, as long as we can engage each other as adults.

Zammo October 19, 2009 at 10:08

I, for one, encourage discussion by all sides, as long as we can engage each other as adults.

But it’s so much easier to make with the insults!

Ironically, the insults are a clear way of knowing that the original point was correct and those who disagree can only do it through insults or “emotional logic” (I’m offended so you have to shut up!). No logical discussion by the opponent is a win for the team.

kis October 19, 2009 at 23:10

Ironically, the insults are a clear way of knowing that the original point was correct and those who disagree can only do it through insults or “emotional logic” (I’m offended so you have to shut up!). No logical discussion by the opponent is a win for the team.

Not always the case. Sometimes it’s just a general frustration with another side’s unwillingness to engage in meaningful dialogue unless you agree with them 100%. I mean, when someone has said, “I’m offended, here’s why” and gotten a lot of “Well, here’s why it’s wrong that you’re offended.”

I mean, let’s break it down to this:

M: “I’m offended because the legal system is skewed to penalize good fathers and reward even bad mothers. A father can’t get custody just because he’s more fit as a parent, his ex-wife has to be deemed UNfit before he even has a chance, and most of the time he still doesn’t win.”

W: “Well, you shouldn’t be offended because a large percentage of divorced men probably aren’t interested in being full-time custodial parents, and because women are the primary caregivers most of the time, and because women in general are more suited to being primary caregivers, and that’s why the law is skewed.”

M: “You’re missing my point. The question isn’t what’s true most of the time in general. It’s what’s true all of the time in practice–even if a father wants custody, and he’s more fit than the mother, custody is awarded to the mother. Every single time.”

W: “Well, you shouldn’t be offended because you have male privilege and life is easy for you.”

M: “You’re missing my point. It’s not about privilege–even if men had it. Men not only have no privilege in divorce courts in the US–they don’t even have basic parental rights. My ex can not only get custody even if she’s a crackhead, she can deny me visitation and the courts do nothing because she’s a woman and I’m a man. Yet if I don’t pay child support so she can use it to buy her drugs, they put me in jail.”

W: “Well, you shouldn’t be offended because women’s lives are hard.”

M: “Well, here we go. Just goes to show you can’t argue with women, they have no logic. Bunch of midol junkies.”

I mean, if every person who resorts to insults is said to have no defensible case, well, no one would have one, right? Because even if most of the people engaged in a dialogue have defensible positions and reasoned arguments on both sides of an issue, there will be some on either side who resort to ad hominem attacks and insulting stereotypes. Does that mean everyone whose opinion coincides with those people don’t have a defensible case, or that they’re simply not articulate enough to defend their position, or that flinging insults is just more fun, or that they’re frustrated by the other side’s refusal to consider any viewpoint but their own?

It’s not always going to be that the case is indefensible.

Female Masculinist October 22, 2009 at 07:25

Re Frankenstein: Mary Shelley’s father, philosopher William Godwin, wrote a novel called St. Leon. If you read both novels, there is little room for doubt that St. Leon strongly influenced Frankenstein.

yt October 22, 2009 at 08:21

Same old, same old. Sexual shaming is a universal tactic. Feminist websites that publish comments from their trolls show that the first line of attack by the less articulate among us is that the women there have the beliefs they do because they are “ugly/fat/hairy/frigid/lesbian/spinsters who can’t get a man” “Can’t get a man/woman” is universally shorthand for “something is wrong with you” , which is what makes it the go to weapon for trolls. That’s never going to change.

MTG721 December 9, 2009 at 03:33

I for one welcome such feminazi vitriol, since it offers much insight into female and feminist psychology and motivation, revealing the evolutionary essence of the female gender, even as they deny that such an essence exists.

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