Comments on: The “Tough Guise” Scam http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/ Piercing the Shield of Ignorance Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:03:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: crella http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-31104 crella Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:56:17 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-31104 <blockquote>Women do not understand violence between men and how the vast majority of it is merely the threat of violence.</blockquote> I think one reason that fights between teenagers now often go to the level of severe injury and death (or groups of them beat one person, or beat the homeless etc ) is because young men haven't had a father to butt heads with, they haven't been tested, have never been put in their place, and so have no realization of their own strength nor of the proper use of force. They're full of themselves, having never been challenged, but have never internalized a stopping point either. Probably the same end result for girls as well despite the dynamic being different for each sex...we see groups of girls viciously beating one girl pretty often lately. Too many mothers don't want to deal with fighting and try to stamp it out, or ignore it, and so children remain untutored in how to fight properly and fairly, and the judicious use of strength. When women say that their boys are picked on in school and they're trying to tell them to turn the other cheek I tell them 'Let your husband handle it, turn this problem over to him, you can't understand what it's like to be either a boy or a man, let him handle it, because any advice you give (with women's tendency to want to smooth things over and take the easy route) will likely be counterproductive.'

Women do not understand violence between men and how the vast majority of it is merely the threat of violence.

I think one reason that fights between teenagers now often go to the level of severe injury and death (or groups of them beat one person, or beat the homeless etc ) is because young men haven’t had a father to butt heads with, they haven’t been tested, have never been put in their place, and so have no realization of their own strength nor of the proper use of force. They’re full of themselves, having never been challenged, but have never internalized a stopping point either. Probably the same end result for girls as well despite the dynamic being different for each sex…we see groups of girls viciously beating one girl pretty often lately. Too many mothers don’t want to deal with fighting and try to stamp it out, or ignore it, and so children remain untutored in how to fight properly and fairly, and the judicious use of strength. When women say that their boys are picked on in school and they’re trying to tell them to turn the other cheek I tell them ‘Let your husband handle it, turn this problem over to him, you can’t understand what it’s like to be either a boy or a man, let him handle it, because any advice you give (with women’s tendency to want to smooth things over and take the easy route) will likely be counterproductive.’

]]> By: Lavazza http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-31096 Lavazza Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:59:58 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-31096 Tough celts? Genetic set up of Icelanders is Norwegian on the male side and Celtic on the female side. Or maybe the Vikings took/hooked up with the chicks the Celts did not like anymore. Tough celts?

Genetic set up of Icelanders is Norwegian on the male side and Celtic on the female side. Or maybe the Vikings took/hooked up with the chicks the Celts did not like anymore.

]]> By: Jack Donovan http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-31041 Jack Donovan Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:42:59 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-31041 <blockquote>and pretty much help support Katz’s case more than anything else.</blockquote> If you actually want to contribute anything of value you could start by making a case for why you believe this assertion.

and pretty much help support Katz’s case more than anything else.

If you actually want to contribute anything of value you could start by making a case for why you believe this assertion.

]]> By: Rick B. http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-31030 Rick B. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:24:56 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-31030 I can't say much other than you didn't understand the film, and pretty much help support Katz's case more than anything else. Did you watch more than the first few minutes of the piece, or did you just read the back of the box and go on and rant? I can’t say much other than you didn’t understand the film, and pretty much help support Katz’s case more than anything else.

Did you watch more than the first few minutes of the piece, or did you just read the back of the box and go on and rant?

]]> By: Words Twice http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-25255 Words Twice Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:37:42 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-25255 I had not seen this article until now and I thought it was excellent. Even if I did find it depressing. I had not seen this article until now and I thought it was excellent.

Even if I did find it depressing.

]]> By: Jack Donovan http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-25243 Jack Donovan Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:52:54 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-25243 I remain unconvinced of the brilliance of my critics. I remain unconvinced of the brilliance of my critics.

]]> By: Hannah http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-25240 Hannah Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:41:58 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-25240 clearly, the person who wrote this is an idiot - enough said. clearly, the person who wrote this is an idiot – enough said.

]]> By: Arbitrary http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-12908 Arbitrary Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:34:28 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-12908 Assigning standards based on ability is a fix to the negative aspects of assigning equal high standards to everyone, despite their inability to reach those levels of achievement (at those rates). If you are assigning low standards to those capable of high achievement, you are not accurately assessing ability, and that is the primary flaw of concern; the best solution (that I know of) is to assign high enough standards to everyone that failure to meet those standards is possible and meaningful (but not guaranteed), and then honestly report the results along with the standards. The problems with our current system are three-fold. The default standards are uniformly too low. Expectations of achievement are applied unevenly at best (and punitively at worst). And differing standards, where applied, are largely unreported. In general I try to maintain civil discourse, even towards those who (unlike you) have not extended me the same courtesy. Make no mistake, your choice to come in here with an opinion rather than a pointless insult or a poorly directed rant is most appreciated. Assigning standards based on ability is a fix to the negative aspects of assigning equal high standards to everyone, despite their inability to reach those levels of achievement (at those rates). If you are assigning low standards to those capable of high achievement, you are not accurately assessing ability, and that is the primary flaw of concern; the best solution (that I know of) is to assign high enough standards to everyone that failure to meet those standards is possible and meaningful (but not guaranteed), and then honestly report the results along with the standards.

The problems with our current system are three-fold. The default standards are uniformly too low. Expectations of achievement are applied unevenly at best (and punitively at worst). And differing standards, where applied, are largely unreported.

In general I try to maintain civil discourse, even towards those who (unlike you) have not extended me the same courtesy. Make no mistake, your choice to come in here with an opinion rather than a pointless insult or a poorly directed rant is most appreciated.

]]> By: Agnes http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-12904 Agnes Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:38:06 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-12904 Aside from political incorrectness, that would be detrimental for human development and progress, since people assigned to their level of ability would internalize that they cannot do any better, and they would not likely exceed what you expect of them, which thankfully, does happen in the real life. Btw, thank you for respectful conversation, I do come from a very different background, but as feminist I do care about men issues. I will follow this magazine, I like to keep an open mind. Aside from political incorrectness, that would be detrimental for human development and progress, since people assigned to their level of ability would internalize that they cannot do any better, and they would not likely exceed what you expect of them, which thankfully, does happen in the real life.
Btw, thank you for respectful conversation, I do come from a very different background, but as feminist I do care about men issues. I will follow this magazine, I like to keep an open mind.

]]> By: Arbitrary http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/10/the-%e2%80%9ctough-guise%e2%80%9d-scam/#comment-12890 Arbitrary Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:25:52 +0000 http://www.the-spearhead.com/?p=605#comment-12890 There is a difference between holding people to high standards, and holding them to impossible standards (the former drives success, the latter inevitably creates the problems you've described). That said, high standards enable success only in those capable of meeting them; if the standards are not high enough that some people would fail to reach them, they also aren't high enough to drive those with the greatest ability. The only happy medium is to divide people based on ability, and apply different standards, but it is not considered politically correct to do so. There is a difference between holding people to high standards, and holding them to impossible standards (the former drives success, the latter inevitably creates the problems you’ve described). That said, high standards enable success only in those capable of meeting them; if the standards are not high enough that some people would fail to reach them, they also aren’t high enough to drive those with the greatest ability. The only happy medium is to divide people based on ability, and apply different standards, but it is not considered politically correct to do so.

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