I doubt it. I can give her the benefit of the doubt, it is likely that she was too damn drugged to be cognizant of anything, which erases a good deal of her victim status. I believe she is engaging in backwards rationalizations and justifications, at the violation of this taboo.

The drugs may play a role. She admits this, it’s not improbable that her drugged out father could have had sex with her while she was in a drugged state. But she is no victim.

I read the comments at ABC, and found the lot of them to be thoroughly disingenuous.

She is not the victim she is being made out to be. Apart from the initial rape by her own father, a thoroughly degenerate and despicable act, that in generosity I give her, she admits that everything else was consensual.

Which negates her victimhood entirely.

Second, she thoroughly owns her drug abuse, she has complete responsibility over it. Whatever occurred due to whatever effects it laid on her, in a sense, imply a degree of consent and responsibility.

Junkies are not victims. I’ve known some. Been very close to a few. They get my empathy and some pity, but I hold them thoroughly responsible for their drug abuse and all of its consequences.
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She is not a real victim, and the media’s gloating, the orgy of victimization, does a disservice to real victims of childhood sexual abuse.

But they don’t really care about this, do they?

She no doubt has great confusion, and real emotional pain. After she was seduced by the ultimate authority figure, to violate the most sacred of taboos. But at an adult age we cannot speak of incest “victims” without destroying the very meaning of the word victim.

I suspect that such stories are growing more common than most are comfortable considering. I suspect there is social wreckage from the 60’s that will continue to surface generation after generation. I’ve noticed similar things in a couple of families, and be it loathsome there is an element of power and control in the hands of the older figure.
There are some daughters who all far too willing and loving participants in a sort of twisted and secret love…

This doesn’t mitigate victimization, but it does show not only how emotionally complex the whole matter can become. The parent, both parents actually because this stuff is usually never that secret, bear ultimate responsibility. But adult offspring also have responsibility. A child may be too traumatized and conditioned to cry out. Confused and violated. But an adult?

Adults have responsibility and agency. And no excuses.

True story: I once knew someone, let’s call her V., whose best friend in high school was basically the school’s slut. V.’s friend was hyper-sexualized to a degree almost unimaginable. Imagine a 14 year old girl who has had 30 admitted partners. One day V. was invited to her friend’s house for the first time. This was around their junior year, after having known each other since middle school.

V. went over and sat around in great discomfort chatting in the living room while her friend walked around flirting with and sitting on the laps of the girl’s father and 6 or 7 of his biker friends.

V. excused herself quickly and went home. Later conversations with her friend revealed the blindingly obvious fact that this girl not only had been sleeping with her father since around 7, but also had been “serving” her father’s friends from a very young age.

This was what the girl was raised up in, it was what she knew as normal since the age 7. By her teens she was an all too willing participant and was basically soon thereafter the town slut.

V.’ distanced herself from the friendship after her friend tried to seduce her during a sleep over. Over the years the two kept in touch here and there, at last reckoning her friend had married some really religious Church guy, settled down, had a few kids, but was still very much lifting up her skirt to just about anyone with a cock.

Technically the girl was a victim from 7 – 16, but really long before then she had become an extremely enthusiastic participant. Deep inside this messed with the girl’s sense of sexuality and boundaries. It also left her with a real degree of anger. But at the end of the day, at a certain point, she really wasn’t a victim. This happens more than I’m remotely comfortable considering.

As for Oprah – there is a concept found in many traditional cultures. Not the least of which are both the old Christian West and the Islamic East, but we finds this principle elsewhere.

- One who popularizes decadence and depravity also participates in the depravity and is oneself depraved.

Oprah is vicariously participating in this depravity, benefitting from it financially through her audience and advertisement, and has indulged in it’s evil. In a real sense.

Not in all cases, for example, it might be necessary to report depravity as an example, commentary on something more important, even as a warning call when it becomes prevalent. This comes under necessity. In such cases there is a moral given as an example to learn from, and a shaming of the depraved. But spreading news of depravity for fame and gain is in itself worse than the initial depravity.

In Oprah’s case, popularizing famous rock star fathers porking their drug addled daughters, and presenting it in a glamorous, tragic, drama, is the epitome of evil.

A Subtle evil, a feminine evil, but an evil all the same. She just effectively sanctioned father/daughter incest. Yeah great job Harpo. Thank you for giving another cunty stab into what few things remain sacred in our culture.

And let’s thank her backers, as well. She may not admit it, but she just did it: effectively spread a “meme” and a very powerful one. Just as when a certain not to be mentioned rock star admitted an erotic attraction to his daughter and laughed it off.

So are Philips’ publishers. Human beings mime behavior, in cultures we take exemplars to follow, even to hell if that’s where the pied piper calls us. And all too often people follow that call.

There is a reason that are an elect and masses exist in every single culture around the world – even the most egalitarian tribal grass eaters. Seriously. Find me a bunch of peaceful naked grass eaters weaving baskets in a collective longhouse hut in the middle of a jungle and I will show you, in their midst, the masses, and an elect who lead the masses. Who are their exemplars: examples to follow.

Human nature is consistent irrespective of clime, race, and culture. Realizing the truth of this statement gives us tremendous power over our own destinies, and potentially over the destinies of others. People can be manipulated with a mere suggestion and whisper. And often are. Social engineering, public relations, engineering consent and public opinion, are trivial and well understood social sciences. This is no conspiracy theory, it is documented and published social science. Any dolt can Google up Bernays or Lippman or far more recent things.

The old English saying goes: “The devil likes dull edges” – the most effective cultural and social engineering can be done in an atmosphere of chaos – a dull lingering fog.

Claustiwitz often spoke of “the fog of war” – if there is to be a culture war, those taking the lead in trying to push for a new order will use confusion and fog and dull edges

If you think that anything appears in the media accidentally, and un-calculated, then this is, with all due respect, frighteningly naive. If something appears having been checked and filtered by countless committees then it thus appears for a reason. There is of course the plausible and likely reason of a victim’s plight, another more plausible reason of sensational tawdry news boosting ratings…

And the real reason – which could possibly disturb us greatly. I do not pretend to know what such a real reason may be, but it has nothing to do with her bloody guilt over daddy’s screwing her.

As for Aimee Louise Sword, she is an utterly fouled little bint and a whore and should be shamed in public until she is an old miserable hag. Her story is more foul than the Philips one because of the breech of the sacred bond and trust of motherhood. She violated one of the most sacred and solemn trusts in nature and society. And all for what?

Her vagina itched?

She gave her son up for adoption and then committed incest with him. What the hell is this going to do to the boy’s mind? Did she remotely consider the effects on his mind, his psyche, his emotional and sexual development? The possibility of his being psychologically and developmentally warped for a good deal of his life? All for her selfish vaginal itch for her son?

Since execution for incest is no longer the norm, it is proposed that as punishment Aimee Sword is henceforth condemned to floor mopping duties at el-Harem el-Kamal.

As an incestress, of course, her flesh is far too foul and polluted to receive the honor of the baronial spear and seed. She may, however, mop floors with her hair. And with diligence she may redeem herself to once weekly fellating and bukkake duties, and occasional pole dances. Though I doubt that a woman as foul as her may even be worthy of an occasional spraying of seed on her face. But mopping floors with her hair certainly suits her.

This is generous, I mean, should not a whore have a chance at applying herself at what she does second best?

EWWWW… I just had a strange realization – her picture looks a bit like Penelope Trunk.

Weird…. very weird. Good lord, will someone banish that thought from my head…..

that’s a helluva story. but its not the first of the sort that i’ve heard. that type of stuff scares the daylights out of me. granted, its the few bad apples who do actually ruin it for good guys out there, but the fact that social workers are given power on par with the Gestapo is frightening to say the least.

Not long after, I came home from work (my wife was out of town on business) and was met by my wifes stepfather. He had been discussing my daughter with his therapist; especially some “distressing” things she had said I had said. We used to play an innocent game, maybe 2 or 3 times, where when getting her a glass of lemonade, I would ask her if she wanted “m-n-ade” or “pee pee.” Of course, she would angrily say “m-n-ade, and I would give her her lemonade. Somehow, that became an invitation to oral sex! Anyway, she was taken away, interviewed and given a physical examination. Of course, she was old enough to make clear NOTHING bad had happened, no amount of puppets or coaxing, or repressed memories could change that fact. But for 24 hours I went through hell, and my inlaws divorced soon afterwards. Neither of them apologised, “they were only looking after the welfare of a little girl they loved (and were obsessed with).” We even went into therapy several months after “the incident,” and even the therapist didn’t seem to see an apology as step number one. They spent the next 18 years trying to undermine my relationship with my wife, and finally accomplished their goal right after her Breast Cancer. Now, I am no saint, but if they could manipulate the system and destroy me, then there would be no need to apologise. The social system was like a church, where everyone who didn’t practice a faith, or have a group of normal friends, but instead congregated as a flock of feminists, failed professionals, and people generally over educated in nothing in particular, and USED an “anti-” system to shore up their negative world view.

Why the HELL would anyone, man or woman, want to get on television and blab about all of this stuff to the entire world???

Another downside to Feminism: A total loss of any sense of discretion. Tell all to all!!!!

Ugh.

People can also assume a fantasy identity which they harvest from elsewhere. So probably since incest has been in the news recently there will be many more people coming forwards to say that it has happened to them. May be these things should be put in the same category as false accusations.