Toward a core set of principles for men

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by Novaseeker on September 22, 2009

One of the main issues confronting men, as a group, currently is an apparent lack of unity about the current circumstances in which we, as men, find ourselves in the current era.

Much ink has been spilled discussing things such as the male dominance hierarchy, the inherent competitiveness among men when it comes to anything pertaining to men and women, the failure of men in the past to confront similar historical circumstances in earlier contexts and so on. It is often presumed as a foregone conclusion that any kind of broad or wide coalition among men as men (as opposed to coalitions around ideas, communities, or nations) is simply not possible to achieve to any significant degree. And certainly, surveying the neo-Darwinian landscape around us, it’s easy to see the persuasiveness of this view.

I don’t think it’s quite correct, however. Or, rather, perhaps is is quite correct, if taken in its narrow and literal terms.

It may be true that it is difficult to unite men around the current issues confronting them in a direct way, in a way that makes these issues the main focus, or even the entryway, into thinking about the kinds of challenges many of us have written about over the past few years. Perhaps the entryway, and the initial point of unity, however, can nevertheless be an idea or a set of ideas, principles or values around which quite a few men can rally as ideas that many of us hold true. We will of course never achieve unanimity around a set of ideas or values, but unanimity is not, and can never be, the goal. The goal is simply to articulate a core group of ideas, principles and values around which men can find unity and community, as a pathway to learning how to stand a bit more together as men in the current age.

What might this core of ideas, principles and values look like? At this stage, any inventory of this kind must be tentative and exploratory, open to the experiences and perspectives of reflective men, and building upon their collective inspirations and ideas. If we can articulate this, together, over time, it will certainly be as part of an iterative, and likely open-ended, process. At the outset, here, I can offer only my own reflections, based on my own experiences, as a type of starting point for further reflection, refinement, expansion, revision and clarification.

So, having said that, a few very preliminary thoughts as to some elements that might comprise this core of ideas, principles and values that can be shared by men in the early 21st Century –

*  mental strength as a core masculine virtue
*  freedom and independence of thought and action as a principle criterion of masculinity
*  personal character, exemplified by honesty, integrity, reliability, as the main indicator of mature masculine personality development
*  self-reliance, a suspicion of the use (and abuse) of state power, and personal resourcefulness as core aspects of practical masculine living in any period
*  responsibility, both personal and interpersonal, as a touchstone of masculine integrity and character, based on the foundation of masculine freedom and independence
*  openness to experience, truth and ideas as key indicia of core masculine curiosity about the world, life, and the male experience

These are only a few preliminary ideas, based on my own personal experiences and reflections. I’d like to see the thoughts and ideas of other men about the idea of core principles for men, what purpose they might serve for us at this point in time, and what they might look like.

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Ganttsquarry September 22, 2009 at 18:39

A celebration of bravery, teamwork, steady resolve, and even humor in the face of trying times and adversity.

Appreciate the work you put in Welmer.

Excellent list of contributors.

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Talleyrand September 22, 2009 at 20:08

Its a good start, Nova.

I think there needs to be some type of loyalty developed. Not a blind one, and not to society, but to men. All men. Perhaps a respect for the path each man takes to manhood. Along with that though is a recognition that there are men that are gender traitors that do not deserve that respect or loyalty.

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Prime September 22, 2009 at 20:35

Very nice opening post to the blog, Nova.

And Welmer, great job getting this together.

I think at the core of this blog is an affirmation of brotherhood. We build on that with the above principles and more. These are trying times, but the connections we can establish between like-minded men have never been so accessible and far-reaching. Let’s do this right.

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Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech September 22, 2009 at 21:47

This is an excellent start. I’m looking forward to more.

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Welmer September 22, 2009 at 22:08

Thanks for the appreciation, guys.

We’ll have more contributors soon, I think, and the mag ought to grow up to be pretty big and strong.

I’m still looking to sign a few more people up, but ran into some database issues on the hosting account this evening. Thankfully, this site has not been affected, but it’s still a headache. Hopefully all will be resolved by tomorrow.

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New Guy September 22, 2009 at 22:13

This is just wonderful – an excellent idea, and an excellent first step!

Thank you!

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SavvyD September 23, 2009 at 01:31

How about an Onion style dating site…
Kidding.

I like this. This is a real man who acts out of power and virtue, not oppression and bullying.
* mental strength as a core masculine virtue
* freedom and independence of thought and action as a principle criterion of masculinity
* personal character, exemplified by honesty, integrity, reliability, as the main indicator of mature masculine personality development
* self-reliance, a suspicion of the use (and abuse) of state power, and personal resourcefulness as core aspects of practical masculine living in any period
* responsibility, both personal and interpersonal, as a touchstone of masculine integrity and character, based on the foundation of masculine freedom and independence
* openness to experience, truth and ideas as key indicia of core masculine curiosity about the world, life, and the male experience

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Fidel September 23, 2009 at 04:17

Good day.

This is a definite daily stopover place, with all the great writers and ground-breaking thinkers in one place.

Thanks for all the writing you guys have done in the past, and it’s great to actually see a meme grow, and grow at a greater speed than I would have believed possible.

You go, guys !!

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zed September 23, 2009 at 06:09

Great concept, guys. I hope this really takes off.

That being said, this isn’t a nit-pick, but rather a bit of playing volunteer editor. The following part of the first paragraph is a sentence fragment –

It is often presumed as a foregone conclusion that any kind of broad or wide coalition among men as men (as opposed to coalitions around ideas, communities, or nations).

What is being presumed?

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Puma September 23, 2009 at 07:01

And so, it begins.

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Novaseeker September 23, 2009 at 11:50

What is being presumed?

Good call, Zed. I’ve edited it now.

cayalx September 23, 2009 at 20:28

i have nothing to add other than that I’ve been following all the contributor’s individual blogs for a while, and I’m quite excited to see them coalescing in one place. I think this is the start of something big, and I just want to add my comment here so I can feel like a part of history. ;p

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Barry September 24, 2009 at 07:39

I will have to make this a regular stop. Great post. Always nice to see one place to read different ideas and articles from those on a similar mission.

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schopenbecq September 24, 2009 at 15:53

I had been feeling a little disheartened at some of the in-fighting in our movement recently (I even had a minor spat myself with a radical Christian ‘MRA’).

I’ve been much encouraged this week, therefore, to witness signs of a common desire to get back to basics – to achieving the first fundamental step of raising awareness amongst our fellow men that in a number of key, indisputable ways, we are allowing ourselves and our boys to be victimised. Simply because we are seen as men by our opressors, and yet not by ourselves.

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Welmer September 24, 2009 at 16:47

Don’t worry too much about infighting here. This is a magazine, not a democracy, after all. Part of the problem men have had is that our organizations have been eviscerated by the law and political correctness, so we’ve lost any semblance of authority anywhere, which naturally causes fractious infighting. Fortunately, we’re starting to adapt.

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Default User September 24, 2009 at 17:12

I like the core principles. If I were to add something, it would be about mentoring.

Mentoring is more important in an era where fatherhood is denied or belittled. However, even with a father present, the support or guidance of another man can be very helpful.

Mentoring is a win-win because the mentor can often learn a lot by the act of mentoring. The act of explaining something can help you understand it better.

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E. Steven Berkimer September 25, 2009 at 07:27

Well done all. This is a must stop for those who’ve been around for a bit. Excellent start.

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Keith September 25, 2009 at 15:30

“Not a blind one, and not to society, but to men. All men. … Along with that though is a recognition that there are men that are gender traitors that do not deserve that respect or loyalty.”

You’re barely out of day one and already you got the thought policing cranking up.

You’d buy yourself some credibility if you at least made explicit beforehand what constitutes gender treason. Otherwise, you’re just giving yourself an advance excuse for rejecting anything that
deviates from a party line.

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Deansdale September 26, 2009 at 07:00

Problem is, you wrote a mixed set of attributes. It’s a picture of a ‘hybrid’ who is an ideal alpha and an ideal beta at the same time.
(When I use the word alpha here I mean ‘men’s alphas’, recognized as alphas in the male hierarchy.)

For a society to work properly it needs betas. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a beta – it even has it’s own ideal set of values: reliability, cooperativeness, honesty and so on.
(The only problem with being a beta is that contemporary women are not so into it.)
For most betas there are 2 ways of improving: to become an alpha (hence game) or become a better beta. In old times becoming a better beta was above everything else. Nowadays it’s almost forgotten.
But you want betas to improve themselves in both ways at the same time. It’s not impossible, it’s just really hard :)
Also you want alphas to become ‘hybrids’ as well, to which I’m sure they’ll reply there’s nothing in it for them.

Maybe a better approach would be to build an understanding between betas and alphas – to make them respect each other. Let betas understand that they need leaders with certain qualities (not present in betas), and make alphas understand that to stay in their role of leadership they have to give something to the beta masses.
And since the only thing the betas lack is women, give them back the only method that worked well: monogamy.

What we do with destructive ‘women’s alphas’ (like some PUAs who are not considered alphas in male hierarchies) I don’t know. But there aren’t that many of them and with some precautionary measures we can protect the betas from them to a certain degree. (eg enforced paternity tests)

It’s time for all of us to understand that we MUST cooperate. It’s not in the nature of alphas but they must recognize the signs of everything collapsing around them. We can build this cooperation into a win-win situation for all men but somehow we must wake up the current alphas who enjoy their situation and doesn’t give a damn about the future.

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Deansdale September 26, 2009 at 09:41

Of course most probably all this will get us nowhere.
It is very uncomfortable to talk about our biggest and only real problem, for a number of reasons. But let’s talk about those later.
The problem itself is that everday people are absolutely cut off from lawmaking. We have no say in the laws of our countries whatsoever.
That is mostly because our leaders (presidents, ministers and whatever) are either
1. Left-wing utopianists (~5%)
2. Genuine retards and haters (~5%, do I need to introduce Harridan Harmmen to anyone here?)
3. Dancing to the whistles of the international monetary superelite (~90%, incl. Obama)
There is no way for us to actually penetrate this.

So as long as the superelite wants to destroy the civilized world (and they certainly seem to be) we can only watch from the sidelines. That is, if we don’t get into the line of fire ourselves as many of our ‘comrades’ already have.

Not considering a revolution with actual warfare, we are left with the option to try to pressurize politicians, which is a Sisyphean task.
That we (you in the USA, me in my country) can elect someone who’d give a rat’s ass about ordinary people is only a dream. We are stuck with this theatre of 2 opposing political parties, both controlled by the same moneybags.

In the beginnings, the USA was so great because it’s leaders were alphas deeply infused with beta values. They were like the ‘hybrids’ I mentioned in my previous comment. Society raised them to be that way and in turn they kept society civilized.
For quite some time now the presidents lack beta values. Who was the last honest president? Who was the last to care about ordinary people? Reading Novaseeker’s suggested masculine values it strikes me that WBush was/had the opposite of each and every one of them. Obama has some of those which can be associated with alphaness, but far from perfect.

Also, as I mentioned somewhere in this blogosphere earlier, a revolution of betas is an oxymoron, since betas are mostly cowards by nature. A revolution of cowards? Don’t make me laugh.
Maybe we can find some ambitious alphas who are willing to represent us in exchange for our support.
Who knows, maybe we already have amongst ourselves some of the future’s brightest politicans :)
For that we need to grow and work a lot though.

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SFG September 26, 2009 at 12:08

I’m surprised you’d get Roissy to post here, this is all a little beta for him. After all, he’s rather enjoying things as they are now, as far as I can tell…

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Welmer September 26, 2009 at 12:48

If you think about it, SFG, probably upwards of 80% of Roissy’s male readers are betas. This is an online publication, after all.

But you do have a point. I feel pretty beta sitting here on my butt trying to figure out how to use post queries in the WP loop. Watch this video to see the pit of betatude in which I am wallowing. However, all this beta work I put into the site will allow for alpha expression to shine all the more gloriously.

:)

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M October 11, 2009 at 06:16

In developing a list of core principles for men, I think it would be very helpful to develop a list of common moral scenarios/events/decisions that men face in today’s feminized world. From there, we could build out a two pronged action list -> When confronted with X, the most appropriate way to respond in the current environment is Y. If Y is not ideal, then we should be fighting towards an environment in which Z is doable.

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Jay Hammers March 1, 2010 at 19:29

Pretty cool to see where it began.

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